Showing posts with label Go the Way of the Lamb. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Go the Way of the Lamb. Show all posts
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Friday, 27 June 2014
What Is Thirdlevel Intercession?
Facebook questions around my phrase : thirdlevel intercession is apparent.
Craig Geis What is thirdlevel intercession?
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Jody Burns What is thirdlevel intercession?
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Chris Welch One of the things God is and does is be for others. We cannot "ask God into our life" (as if He wasn't there) experience a rebirth from Darkness to Light, let Him establish Himself in us and expect Him to behave suddenly differently.
He is SELF FOR OTHERS. HE is intercession. Laying His life down for others.
His first intercession by us , while all the other "self for other " things are going on...is interceding within us that we become established in who we now are....or as Francois DuToit puts it....who we always were but never knew or forgot.
This takes place in our 1 John 2 Child Stage and the young man stage. At least a good part of what is going on , but by no means all, is intercession to get US established and on into adulthood in Christ.
There are many things that can shortcircuit us.....( the first bunch of Israelites grew hard of heart and died in the wilderness) but if we don't harden our hearts God is faithful to bring His own Life to maturity in us.
Now this is no different to the natural world. Kids tend to be absorbed more with self...AND THAT ISN'T wholly wrong. You need to be growing in all ways ever to reach adulthood....but there comes this shock in fallen natural life....when self absorbed youngsters (both in the right way and the wrong way) suddenly learn the universe does not revolve around them at epicentre.....and they start to hold down jobs, and provide for their own families etc.
In the Spirit....maturity....or fatherhood...or knowing Him/fusing/ with Him who is from the beginning is when we start moving into the unique commissions God has us all in. We become pourers outers. As i said from DAY ONE we start to become that. John says....herein we know we are in Him....
whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
Having experienced the love of God....we begin truly and unconditionally to love others.
But often in the hurly burly of the "fixing stage" we feel like we are in a no.3 wash in a washing machine. We don't know which way up we are.
But Romans 6 to 8 doesn't last forever.....and once we "see Him in us as us" properly....everything settles down much more and everything we do is done "out of rest"
So that was the phrase "thirdlevel intercession".
By apparent we mean JESUS HIMSELF was not evil.
Jesus HIMSELF is ALIVE. ETERNALLY.
But our ADAMIC DEATH which He carried into the grave with Him, really did kill Him...or killed His first mortal body anyway. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh....but unlike Adam....never blew it...
so as the Last Adam He was the Perfect Lamb to take our condition completely on Himself and lose it in the Eternal waste dump. From whence the Spirit raised Him up according to the will of the Father.
And there you have the Trinity in operation.
Jesus is now in the heavenlies with the Father, but the Spirit's role is on Earth preparing the Bride.
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Chris Welch One of the processes we go through is "being framed". That is people ascribe to us things which are not us. if we refuse to do other than what Jesus is doing through us...this is what it means to go the way of the Lamb.....we march through all these "apparent fixes" and the Spirit unlocks doors by us.
This "apparent " nature of things is prefigured by Abraham.
God took an instamatic photo for all time of the moment Abraham raised his knife to slaughter the Child of Promise. It was an "apparent" moment. But it was what God needed to be able to tie down the Covenant on earth and begin the huge adventure of salvation. This was God in Abraham....being willing to sacrifice not just his own son...if that wasn't incredible enough....but this was maxed up millions of times by virtue of Isaac being a total miracle son, a Child of God's Word promise, and thus something that was totally God for Abraham....and even then he was still willing.
For this reason God has fixed the promise of natural Israel AS WELL as supernatural Israel, which we all become by faith.
Monday, 27 September 2010
The Meaning of "Being Yourself" by Fred Pruitt
I really recommend you following Fred Pruitt's blog
It has only recently come to me in a deeper way how much the words, “be yourself,” cause a stir among people who consider themselves the “redeemed” of God.
When I have written those words in the past, I don’t think I really realized how they hit people. It seems, to some, to be the philosophy of “the world.” Indeed, it is the modern cry of the more psychologically astute society we live in. Asserting one’s “self” and not letting others drag or tear us down is a personal theme of these current times.
But that needn’t lessen the meaning of those words to those who have inwardly received, through Jesus Christ, the “Divine Nature.” Because hearing the words “be yourself” and to, as a Christian, be afraid of them as if they are somehow license to sin, is to completely miss the meaning. The fear in being troubled by those words presupposes that one’s “self” in Christ is somehow wrong, and a thing to be avoided and nullified if possible.
The opposite of “be yourself” would be to “be something you’re not.” Wouldn’t it?
To be something we’re “not,” would, then, necessarily, involve putting on some sort of mask or costume, to appear as if we are not really who we are. We don’t like our “real self” as we perceive it, and therefore seek to put forth a “better” representation of ourselves, playing a part we think others, including God, want to see.
That’s what “the law” is all about. The “law” involves “putting on” something from the outside, a set of rules or goals, that we think by putting on and acting as if this is really us, will somehow grease the wheels and get God into action.
Years ago I was traveling on business. I was up for a break from driving and I saw a Christian bookstore in a little strip mall, so I decided to stop and check it out. I went into the little shop and started browsing the shelves, when the lady-owner came over and stood beside me. Instead of just greeting me and asking if she could help me, instead she clasped her hands in a “holy manner” and said, “May I say that God loves you and I love you in Jesus Christ?”
Now, there’s obviously nothing wrong with that statement. A Great statement! But there was something in the way the woman said it, that seemed forced, or false, and all I could think about was getting out of there. Not that the lady didn’t mean it in the sense that she WANTED it to be true — she WANTED it to be true that she loved me in Christ — but the statement was almost screaming to me “this isn’t really true, but I’m saying it to you in hopes that it is!”
Now of course, the joke is, the statement WAS true! If she was indeed in Christ, and I had no reason to think she wasn’t, then she DID love me completely in Christ Jesus. She didn’t have to say it or prove it. It simply was the fact between us! But, my impression was that from her perspective, she didn’t KNOW it was already fact, and she was trying to make up for it by this forced, insincere-sounding statement.
Crazy, huh? Trying to be Who we already are?
Comment by Chris Welch
Somewhat puzzled I heard Mother Basilea Schlink say Go the way of the Lamb , it is a way of great power. This was Lutheran speak, or perhaps Older saints speak for one of the greatest truths in the universe. Forget Superman, although even he had his Clark Kent….the most powerful force in the universe, (a bit like the unstoppable grass stalks that dislodge huge slabs of concrete)is the naked life of Christ. We, as Christ did with His Father, go around as ourselves, without flash add-ons, “helpful extras”, nope….just naked…just us….but conscious of Him living His life as us….and we follow that life through all the rat holes,all the situations that very life causes us to be in….like a helpless Lamb to the slaughter….but somehow God does this crazy superman stuff around us…currently opening the world up to this new idea of Christ living as us….maybe opening cities up…maybe the odd individual here and there suddenly in the Kingdom. And we have this deep knowing that it is Christ working this stuff in us. Why are we so sure? Because…everywhere…just everywhere right through the New Testament epistles it says this is how things will be. Its running right through like lettering through a stick of Blackpool rock
It has only recently come to me in a deeper way how much the words, “be yourself,” cause a stir among people who consider themselves the “redeemed” of God.
When I have written those words in the past, I don’t think I really realized how they hit people. It seems, to some, to be the philosophy of “the world.” Indeed, it is the modern cry of the more psychologically astute society we live in. Asserting one’s “self” and not letting others drag or tear us down is a personal theme of these current times.
But that needn’t lessen the meaning of those words to those who have inwardly received, through Jesus Christ, the “Divine Nature.” Because hearing the words “be yourself” and to, as a Christian, be afraid of them as if they are somehow license to sin, is to completely miss the meaning. The fear in being troubled by those words presupposes that one’s “self” in Christ is somehow wrong, and a thing to be avoided and nullified if possible.
The opposite of “be yourself” would be to “be something you’re not.” Wouldn’t it?
To be something we’re “not,” would, then, necessarily, involve putting on some sort of mask or costume, to appear as if we are not really who we are. We don’t like our “real self” as we perceive it, and therefore seek to put forth a “better” representation of ourselves, playing a part we think others, including God, want to see.
That’s what “the law” is all about. The “law” involves “putting on” something from the outside, a set of rules or goals, that we think by putting on and acting as if this is really us, will somehow grease the wheels and get God into action.
Years ago I was traveling on business. I was up for a break from driving and I saw a Christian bookstore in a little strip mall, so I decided to stop and check it out. I went into the little shop and started browsing the shelves, when the lady-owner came over and stood beside me. Instead of just greeting me and asking if she could help me, instead she clasped her hands in a “holy manner” and said, “May I say that God loves you and I love you in Jesus Christ?”
Now, there’s obviously nothing wrong with that statement. A Great statement! But there was something in the way the woman said it, that seemed forced, or false, and all I could think about was getting out of there. Not that the lady didn’t mean it in the sense that she WANTED it to be true — she WANTED it to be true that she loved me in Christ — but the statement was almost screaming to me “this isn’t really true, but I’m saying it to you in hopes that it is!”
Now of course, the joke is, the statement WAS true! If she was indeed in Christ, and I had no reason to think she wasn’t, then she DID love me completely in Christ Jesus. She didn’t have to say it or prove it. It simply was the fact between us! But, my impression was that from her perspective, she didn’t KNOW it was already fact, and she was trying to make up for it by this forced, insincere-sounding statement.
Crazy, huh? Trying to be Who we already are?
Comment by Chris Welch
Somewhat puzzled I heard Mother Basilea Schlink say Go the way of the Lamb , it is a way of great power. This was Lutheran speak, or perhaps Older saints speak for one of the greatest truths in the universe. Forget Superman, although even he had his Clark Kent….the most powerful force in the universe, (a bit like the unstoppable grass stalks that dislodge huge slabs of concrete)is the naked life of Christ. We, as Christ did with His Father, go around as ourselves, without flash add-ons, “helpful extras”, nope….just naked…just us….but conscious of Him living His life as us….and we follow that life through all the rat holes,all the situations that very life causes us to be in….like a helpless Lamb to the slaughter….but somehow God does this crazy superman stuff around us…currently opening the world up to this new idea of Christ living as us….maybe opening cities up…maybe the odd individual here and there suddenly in the Kingdom. And we have this deep knowing that it is Christ working this stuff in us. Why are we so sure? Because…everywhere…just everywhere right through the New Testament epistles it says this is how things will be. Its running right through like lettering through a stick of Blackpool rock
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