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Showing posts with label walking in the Light. Show all posts
Showing posts with label walking in the Light. Show all posts
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Recent Events commented on plus general Facebook posts 10th-11th July2016
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| Sylvia Pearce |
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Sylvia Pearce
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“What is man that Thou dost take thought of him? And the son of man
that Thou dost care for him? Yet, Thou hast made him a little lower than God (Elohim); and thou does crown him with glory and majesty! Thou dost make him to rule over the works of Thy hands” (Ps. 8:6).
A Universal oneness is virtually unknowable except as expressed through a particular form. God the Father was incarnate in His Son Jesus. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). The Son is the Father’s particular and unique form “who is the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person” (Heb. 1:3).
God is a family man, so He created Man for the purpose of creating a family of sons in His image in order to re-express His own personal Glory. Man is not God; however, he is made a little lower than God (Elohim) (Ps. 8:4; Heb. 2:6). Man was created to express and contain God, but never to take God’s place as Satan tried to do. Man is a dependent being, and only a receiver. Man cannot produce his own life; therefore, he has no nature or life of his own, but instead he derives his nature from the One who indwells him. God created man’s free will out of His own free sovereignty
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The Bible is God's
FACE BOOK
A record of thirdlevellers who according to Psalm 24 have sought the FACE of GOD as Jacob at Peniel
Chris Welch
2 hrs ·
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The offense of Light is that there is more to be had. This is what really offended Cain's "bit on the side offering."
But ps.36 says in His Light we see Light.
Doesn't seem fair? We already have Light and there we are seeing more. But there's no Weights and Measures Department that says "Enough already you are using up heaven's stock. Put that bit back."
Church is nothing to do with what is practiced currently. Want to hear an apostles encapsulation of church on the genuine "tinlid?"
Walking in the Light. Walking implies legs. Going somewhere together in the Spirit. You were here but now a month later you are here. When Christ ascended He gave gifts unto men not so they Lord it over you like.in Catholic Churches and modern charismatic networks. No, many gifts are given so they "key you into walking in this Light." If it was keying you into their particular Light.....well forever and a day you would be dependant on them, and this is what we see. They are fakes. The genuine gifts have the Spirit and grace impartation to KEY YOU into walking in THIS ONE LIGHT of God. The Melchizedek Order. Many think this is the lampstand in the Holy Place and have settled down nicely and folded their arms to endless prophecies and visions of.Light. I have some very discomforting news for them. The lampstand is just the Satnav. The waymarker. The Light is the Lord Himself, High and exalted and totally real, in another room altogether. The Holy of.holies where He is Head of His Church. While your eyes were still dimmed having just come from the Light of the sun in the outer courts He provided a candlestick for.reference.....but actually He is the Real.One and He is Alive and ever new, which is bad news if you are still living from " an object" instead.
In His Light we see Light.
We walk in the Light as He is in the Light and as we confess our sin we have fellowship one with another and His Blood cleanses us from all sin.
If you are not into Genesis 15 open carcass living, with the Holy Spirit supernaturally floating through the middle of you as you are laid bare, may I tactfully suggest you are not in any church of the Lord yet, but something quite quite different.
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Chris Welch
1 hr ·
It's not that the Bible is insufficient for the task. It's that every single phrase that is currently leftbrain lore inside you has to be respoken to you in the Holy Spirit. The current Grace move is just that, to do with the one.word.Grace......which if you remember before.was this meaningless tag word that littered all the apostles letters that sounded very religious. Well the Spirit now.wants to take you through the whole Bible again and completely speak the whole thing to you from heaven.....because your own understanding isn't cutting it!!!!.
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Honestly Paul Noble and I are not in a hidden cartel, we are in an open one!!!!
This is yesterday's status but had no time to put it up.
Many people accuse their pastors of being a cork in the bottle.
Can you find me the Bible verses about
1. being a cork?
2. the church being a slender necked bottle?
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Paul Noble
3 hrs ·
What's the main job of a pastor? A pastor or shepherd is supposed to equip people to find their help and answers in the chief shepherd Jesus Christ. That's why many pastors get burnt out; people rely on them rather than Jesus.
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PhillipMorris or via
Unless our thought responds instantly to the fact that God is the only life, that God is all there is to individual being; and unless in our heart and Soul we truly believe that, we cannot be spiritual healers. We might do some mental healing with a little mental pounding, here and there, but we shall never be spiritual healers until every call for help brings out in us a sense of love. This will be a sense of love that comes not as love for a person. In the normal course of events, we shall never know one-tenth of those who call on us for help; we never shall meet one-tenth of the people who will call on us for help, once we achieve this spiritual awareness of being. The calls will come from all over the world, and they will come by mail and telegram and telephone. We shall not know whether it is a metaphysician calling, or whether it is a Catholic or a Protestant, or whether it is a prisoner in a dungeon. And it is better so, since our immediate response must be: “This is the very Christ of God appearing to me as an individual call for help, as an individual person, or as an individual claim. All that can ever be accepted in my consciousness is God–God, and the Christ of God, which is God appearing as the individual, whether that appearance comes as person, place, or thing.” Until we can stand on that ground and on that rock, we shall not be able rightly to interpret, “the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.”14 Why is the place whereon I stand holy ground? Because I* am standing there; that is what makes it sacred. Could we, by any stretch of the imagination, first stop to ask who it is that is standing there, or what his name or race or religion or creed is? Not in this great revelation of God–God appearing as individual you and me. That breaks down in our consciousness all emphasis on religion or race or bigotry.
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Chris Welch
22 hrs ·
from someone monitoring closely
Dallas shooters was a Clinton Serco Sniper hit sold to high bidders involved in murder for hire snuff films for her campaign fund. The evil snake kills with impunity and rubs America's face in the aftermath by creating chaos and civil unrest giving blacks the lie they need to proceed with insane retribution with out any claim that they are being targeted by an unnamed assassin running for el-presidente.
Daniel Skillman
8 hrs ·
The narrative behind the phrase, "black lives matter," is that in many ways it seems black lives haven't mattered. At least not as much as, say, white lives. Those who reject this narrative are likely to reject this phrase as well. If a person doesn't think that black people have had it worse than any of the rest of us, then the phrase, "black lives matter," is likely to sound, at the very least, strange to them, and possibly even offensive.
To many of us, it is quite evident that, as a group, black people, on balance, have had a rougher go of it than white people. This is not as evident to others.
The first priority is, of course, saving lives right now. However, a nearly concurrent concern has to be educating people about the nature, extent, and causes of racism, both personal and systemic.
There will still be people who, even in the face of copious statistics and strongly compelling interpretations of the same, will continue to deny the ongoing reality and effects of racism in this country. It is still possible to distinguish these interlocutors from hard core, personal racists, though, you'll need a lot of patience and a keen awareness of fine distinctions to see the difference.
Still, I maintain my hope that most people truly want to do the "right thing," and, at least, they desire to appear reasonable, if not actually to be reasonable. Evidence matters. Arguments, in the academic sense of presenting good cases, matter. Minds can be changed.
I continue to contend that the phrase, "black lives matter," is an important one, no matter its origin. But I'm not content simply sloganeering. I want to play a role in changing hearts, and minds, and actions, and *lives. So, I'll be presenting facts, offering interpretations, giving reasons, making arguments, and pleading with every honest tool of rhetoric at my disposal for you to believe that
black
lives
matter.
Will you join me?
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Chris Welch
Chris Welch I refuse to stoop to this level since I learned SERCO was involved in the whole thing as paid assignments. Maybe basic truths need stating, but how about the BIG ONE?
WHO employs SERCO to kill people and stir discord? I think churchmen everywhere prefer to waffle black and white stuff instead of actually finish the job.
Reply to Phillip on the matter of evil
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Evil a State of Hypnotism Does wrong thinking, then, appear outwardly as sin, disease, and death? No, it does not. It comes to us merely as an appearance or a belief, and we accept that appearance or belief as if it actually were an external form. Can a person who is hypnotized into believing that there is a white poodle on the hypnotist’s platform, ever produce a white poodle there? No! All the hypnotized thinking in the world will not produce a white poodle. It will only produce an appearance or a belief which the victim claims is a white poodle. Wrong thinking will never produce sin, disease, or death. We are not creators; God is the creative principle, and It creates only Its own image and likeness. Our wrong thinking and the world’s wrong thinking, therefore, will never produce sin, disease, or death. Such wrong thinking will only objectify the belief as an illusory picture like our “white poodle” and then look at it and say, “How am I going to get rid of it?” It is not even here, so how can we get rid of it? There is no such thing as sin, disease, or death; and all the wrong thinking in the world that we can do will not produce such things. But the universal belief in a selfhood apart from God does produce these erroneous pictures which we see as claiming to have substance, law, and reality; but which they do not have. All such pictures are as unreal as the white poodle which the hypnotized man believes he is seeing. Let us remember, he is not seeing it; he believes he is seeing it. There is no way to remove that white poodle except to awaken the subject out of his state of hypnosis. How do we do that? One with God is a majority. If there were one person of spiritual vision in the audience who could laugh out loud and say or even think that there is not a white poodle to get rid of, the hypnotized man would awaken out of the dream. It is only because everyone is in agreement with him–the blind leading the blind–that it happens. If someone would consciously realize that he is merely witnessing a form of hypnosis, such a realization would quickly awaken him to the fact that hypnosis is not a power. It is a belief in a power apart from the one Life. Whenever we are confronted with any form of disease, sin, death, lack, or limitation, let us be quick to realize, “This is a hypnotic picture, and I do not have to do anything about it.” In this way, we can very well have an instantaneous healing. Even if the healing is not instantaneous, our holding to that truth will ultimately reveal the harmony which already is. We must realize that there is no disease: there is only hypnotism; there is only a hypnotic picture appearing as disease. Spiritual healing is not using truth with which to overcome error. It is not using the power of good to overcome the power of evil. Jesus answered the impotent man: “Rise . . . and walk.”6 This was not using a power to heal disease; it was saying, in effect, “There is nothing to be overcome.” He did not use the power of God to do something to Pilate or to ward off the Crucifixion. He said, “Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above.”7 Then he let the Crucifixion proceed and he proved life eternal. A spiritual healer is not a person who develops a technique of using truth to overcome error or of using treatment to overcome disease. A spiritual healer is that state of consciousness, which knows that God alone is the reality of all being, and that anything else is a state of hypnosis. The recognition that he is dealing with a state of hypnosis, rather than with a person or with a condition, is the healing consciousness.
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10:43 AM (1 minute ago)
to phillip
I think the overall tenor of this is bang on. I mean at the level of there is only truly one thing going on in the Universe....God's Life.
But it is diminishing Satan the resister
The world wars were terrible and ultimately originated in Satan's instruction to one mind. Albert Pike.
Remember until 1871, there wasn't even a notion of a world war. he literally invented it. (Google this if you don't know about this. Also don't listen to the lies of the British Museum. Albert Pike's letter was on show in the 60s in the vestibule. That's where I read it as an 8 or 9 year old and asked Dad about it. What???? You mean the World Wars were planned?? Don't be silly Dad said. Since then Juri Lina's and Fritz Springmeiers and Barry Smith's work has shown different to what Dad knew)
So NO....according to the parable of the soil
and according to the principle of the scrawlings on the Temple wall in Ezekiel 8:10
the power of the devil's form of hypnotism is entirely according to the Proverb
What a man fears shall overtake him.
The devil's goal then according to Genesis 3 is to "OPEN OUR INNER EYES"...to God PLUS SOMETHING, but the horror is, unlike the white poodle, it actually manifests in the apparent realm we live in.
Wednesday, 14 January 2015
The Whole Church
It's a bit of a Catch 22.
The Body cannot be whole until we as individuals know our new identities. But we cannot readily grow into our new identities because paradigms that fracture and disunite actually strengthen the belief that God's Word DOES NOT MEAN WHAT IT SAYS. The devil knew what he was doing when he sowed all that. It has kept us in a loop for thousands of years.
I was talking about this with DeeDee Winter.
The Body like our own bodies has homeostasis....regulatory systems within it which keep all our chemical levels correct, and keep the whole body healthy.
One of he most powerful strategies of Satan is divide and rule, and the most obvious historic example is the Class system.
An aristocrat cannot ordinarily know what it feels like to be a person waking up in the morning desperately worried about losing shelter or having enough food because they don't know if they are going to earn enough. This has been somewhat smoothed over compared with other countries by the social security system. But nevertheless our churches remain pretty middle class even after the experience of baptism in the Spirit. Actually pentecostals largely came from the lower classes, and until Michael Harper there were two hurdles...one the subject itself and secondly it was deemed "beneath" most English to mix with "those sort of classes".
Thirdlevel Christianity is the type that Jesus preached. His followers were a taxcollector,a doctor, some fishermen and doubtless other trades. He had rich wives of wealthy prominant citizens donating to them, as well as many very poor widows.
The true Presence of the Lord embraces absolutely everyone...but that doesn't mean it's easy. When you tune a piano don't think that you tune every string so that there is absolutely no out of tuneness.
While all three strings to one note must be beatless, without any honkytonk vibrations, if you tuned all 12 notes perfectly you'd never be able to play in every key.
If you let Lukes ramble on about detail, they narrow and narrow their focus as they explain things, you'd be all night hearing how they poured their milk on their cornflakes. So the Spirit shuts them up and moves on. If you let prophets ramble, they seem to get more and more airy fairy....and it isn't Holy Spirit...who is accurate , clear and defined...even about spiritual things.If you let administrators out without a lead, they will box the work of the Holy Spirit in with so many constraints Jesus will personally have to knock on the door of all the churches just to be allowed into His own meetings.
WHAT IDIOT ever came up with that one about having to tell a leader your prophecy first before being allowed to issue it? What kind of a nerd came up with that piece of non Biblical bottom excrescence?
If you let pastors control things as they now do totally illegally, they smoothe down the lapels of everyone present and make everything sweet so their offerings are big, putting duct tape over the mouths of prophets.
If you let healers take over, they'll be praying for every loose fingernail and trying to demolish the right of each person to their own faith to live in Divine Health themselves so nobody ever gets sick in the first place. Healers like sickness, it gives them a ministry. And so it goes on. Church as it is run right now actually prevents anybody at all ever becoming thirdlevel and mature.
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Facebook Status Today....Walk In the Light
We want intimacy. Gerald Coates used to call the birth of a church the honeymoon period. We have had one as Christians on Facebook.
What is the honeymoon period.
The free exchange of tons and tons of jewellery that each person now has by virtue of things learned......tough times.....good times......direct blessings.....cultural wealth.....skills.....maybe like Annalize Mouton generational wealth of Christians praying.....Or others...hundreds of years of Amish or Moravian or Mennonite believing.
So where's the problem?Gerald Coates in the previous move called it being human. We call it what it actually says in the Bible. Not living with an inward single eye. False seeing. Ultimately any remaining Satan masquerading as me. See, the wounding would never be as bad if the "being human" myth had any reality to it. But it's very much spirit to spirit. It is that which is of God being addressed by devils. And in the worst cases it can wound for a lifetime if we don't keep fresh with Jesus. The book of James discusses these killing fields.
If we have had some of God's wisdom on issues then like exsmokers we see them coming and we also attack....but not the people....just the issues....The spirits of Darkness.....if we all really want the Light then we walk in the Light and let Darkness be shown up. John says....if we wAlk in the Light we have fellowship one with another.....why....because that is what the Spirit does.....like in Genesis 1.....when He sees darkness He hovers over it incubating Life.
Yes so.....there is the honeymoon free exchange of great wealth.....followed by the rattling of dead bones.....and no church move in history.....Perhaps other e r than the 100 years Moravian prayer meeting.....has ever seen a whole people get through the rattling of dead bones. Take care brethren lest a root of bitterness spring up and you perish in the wilderness like the Israelites.
Saturday, 12 April 2014
Gracebook,Intimacy and the Disobedient Prophet of 1 Kings 13
How the strange, almost kafkaesque story of 2 prophets and a king in 1 Kings 13 sheds a bit of light on the strange world of Walking In The Light.
Facebook has been known by many of my friends in the last few years as Gracebook. Social media has rightfully been scorned for some terrible excesses, actually in a similar way to the excitement that preceded it in Friends Reunited.
Both have been the cause of marital breakdowns and many forms of cheap relating, also threatening and abusive namecalling, not to mention pedophilia grooming.
2008 was quite a positive wake-up call though. Some of us started to realise what an online vehicle for good we have at our fingertips.
For a start, what seemed like the beginning of an international Christian revival beginning in Lakeland , Florida, already had God TV able to beam it across the world, together with this new phenomena of social media. Around this time I began gingerly discussing Florida with others on blogs, centered around Dan Bowen's blog :Life on Wings. This was my first real outlet to begin sharing what I was seeing in God. With encouragement from others I began this blog in August 2008.
Soon after, and quite naturally, many Christian men as well as women began sharing their viewpoints and revelation via Facebook, at which point something died in the rather hermetically sealed world of Blogland...mostly Blogger and WordPress...and a lot of us now receive virtually no blog comments, but quite often people comment direct in Facebook. I am not currently on Twitter and have been taking a break from Facebook.
Between 12 to 30 of us, with many comings and goings, spent all but 2 years in a single private Facebook Thread.....
Between 12 to 30 of us, with many comings and goings, spent all but 2 years in a single private Facebook Thread that was as close to online church as may be possible but for conferencing face to face. And with the advent of 4G mobiles this may soon be possible.
Look at the following passage with these 2 keys.
Then the king said to the prophet, “Come to the palace with me and rest awhile and have some food; and I’ll give you a reward because you healed my arm.”
For the Lord has given me strict orders not to eat anything or drink any water while I’m here, and not to return to Judah by the road I came on.”
Then the old man said to the prophet, “Come home with me and eat.”
“No,” he replied, “I can’t; for I am not allowed to eat anything or to drink any water at Bethel. The Lord strictly warned me against it; and he also told me not to return home by the same road I came on.”
So they went back together, and the prophet ate some food and drank some water at the old man’s home.
Then, suddenly, while they were sitting at the table, a message from the Lord came to the old man, and he shouted at the prophet from Judah, “The Lord says that because you have been disobedient to his clear command and have come here, and have eaten and drunk water in the place he told you not to, therefore your body shall not be buried in the grave of your fathers.”
After finishing the meal, the old man saddled the prophet’s donkey, and the prophet started off again. But as he was traveling along,
a lion came out and killed him. His body lay there on the road, with the donkey and the lion standing beside it. Those who came by and saw the body lying in the road and the lion standing quietly beside it, reported it in Bethel where the old prophet lived.
Then he said to his sons, “Saddle my donkey!” And they did.
He found the prophet’s body lying in the road; and the donkey and lion were still standing there beside it, for the lion had not eaten the body nor attacked the donkey.
So the prophet laid the body upon the donkey and took it back to the city to mourn over it and bury it.
However, in the 70s we did not have clear our self identity.....
So.....back to the heading scripture!
There is simply nowhere we can hide.
Every christian uses social media because intimacy,closeness,sharing is desirable. The spin-off,the other side of the coin is that we cannot hide. We cannot retreat when someone touches us where we are still hiding, where we still sport figleaves.
This is the rather awkward place the Body of Christ now finds itself. Do you see the relevance of the story of the two prophets ? We have now been made a nation of prophets priests and kings. Jeremiah 31 declares the new covenant ; that we shall all know Him from the least to the greatest. So like the two prophets,until we are settled in our new identity we are going to be announcing that we have heard from angels, and that we really think you should be staying for tea. But then,just as in touch with the Throne as you are, the Spirit then blurts through us the corrective Word. In the story the One charged with the nationally impacting message is the one who dies. But Both prophets were disobedient.
We can't just fall out any more. An explanation will be supplied whether we like or not. Our stories become very public about the time we claim to be....or perhaps we don't claim anything we just seek to bring the Word of the Lord to the Body of Christ.
In the story of the prophets we would be totally confused but for the Spirit clarification of the writer of 1 Samuel. We are told that when the second prophet claimed more up to date info...He lied.
We can't just fall out any more. An explanation will be supplied whether we like or not.
This is walking in the Light. This is fellowshipping.
Daniel Yordy has written a very key book entitled Eyes of Fire. In it he has done the work of a prophet and described the work God has already finished in the heavens in bringing forth a Bride without spot or wrinkle....but stating that this same Bride is becoming manifest on earth. And this same Bride looks out from her position as seated upon the throne tucked in the side of Jesus Christ. Like her bridegroom she is of the same Lamb nature , not seeking rule over, but like Christ,continually rising from underneath....going the powerless way of the Lamb who trod Gethsemane road. The way of the mercy seat. Bringing all things together in heaven and earth through the intercession discovered by St Paul....filling out the sufferings of Christ....why....because they are indeed Christ's sufferings but this time exercised through His multimembered Body.
So why should Daniel separate himself and indeed not allow us to finish posting the rest of the book Eyes of Fire ? I think this is because of something R.Edward Miller and Jorge Pradas warned our Emsworth congregation about. Several times Daniel writes about experiencing the place of the Mercy Seat, of looking out from this place. Both Jorge and Ed warned of the deception that they each had to learn. We enter this most holy place,individually, in the experience of the loss of all things,of the altar of incense.....but the new place is not individual. We return home in effect to that which is from the beginning. We awaken to the perfect image of corporate man neatly tucked up in perfect union with God and fellow man. All walls of hostility are broken down.
For this to be so....this image of the New Man is Not our image scaled up. It is not even our resurrected image scaled up to the nth degree. No,this is the completeness,the fullness, of each part fully working,fully in resurrection but containing the fullness of the whole. All 12 tribes. All the personalities of the 12 apostles. All the fullness of the 12 gates or 12 kingdom portal experiences that are couched within the rebuilt Jerusalem Gates described in Nehemiah.
Paul was used to attack the issue of disunity. He did it in two or three passages. Corinthians in two places and probably him writing in Hebrews 6. It could also be argued that by expounding fully upon the Grace of God in its outworkings in Romans individually,in Ephesians as church....He was doing the same namely making the link with immaturity and fracture,and disunity.
I could not address you as mature because each follows only one or two teachers. Do you not know that all are yours. The giveaway he writes about in 1 Corinthians 12 is that everyone is saying Because you are not a (fill in the blank) I have no need of you.Lastly in Hebrews chapter 6 brings up the sticky issue of continually laying instructions about baptisms/ water....Baptism in the Holy Ghost....other. initial teachings....today we would call this evangelical and charismatic level believing.....basically you cannot hope to experience the full manifestation of the corporate Christ at this level of believing. You may experience something of the Unity of the Spirit...but no....you are along way from the Unity of the faith.
The story of the two prophets show us that I don't have to be like you. I mustn't try to make you stop for tea with me.....or make you behave like me. Because we both walk in the Light....All our wrongdoing is going to show up anyway. There is no hiding for either of us. Each of us have to do precisely that which Christ is doing by us.
The story of the two prophets shows up this rather odd pairing that exists in the Body.....1. On the One hand the lovers,the people people.....who largely exist to bless others with hospitality....and 2. Those that find themselves quite naturally saddled/consumed with the Word of the Lord. Teatimes are great....but not while Words to do with nation's destinies are being given. There is a serious edge to our relating in the Body of Christ. We have come to the City of the Living God. Of Ananias and Saphirra in Acts.
Last week a prophet in the UK died.
Three years ago this youngish man of God had become discouraged. My friend in northern England related the tale a few days ago. This friend of his just suddenly went right away from God. An apostolic figure felt God warn him that his wife would not hang around forever,she would also get discouraged and leave him. Last year this happened. Chastened by this Word coming true,the prophet began to relate with them all again, also bringing in a brand new male friend with him,who became a committed Christian.
After many weeks of strong and direct words from Christ through this apostolic gift, the prophet was challenged to release all bad debts on his property management. It was one weight he wished to cling to. A few weeks later he was dead from a brain tumour. Presumably God knew the money worries were too great a risk to his health.
So you see we are not playing around.
In the next post I want to cover the Gates of Jerusalem which is a more in-depth look at Nehemiah chapters 1 to 8.
In the free for all that is Facebook, people remain in immaturity because they construct for themselves their own reality and don't realise that their Jesus Christ has to join with everybody else's Jesus Christ. It is easy to do this when we dismiss the bits of the Bible we don't like....the bits of the Body we don't like....and the experiences of the Living God we don't like that are available to all in the Spirit.
I want to end this post with a key to life in the Spirit.....
I want to end this post with a key to life in the Spirit and Hebrews 4. The Tree of the knowledge of good and Evil gives us information on every subject under the sun. But it doesn't give us the Tree of Life.
What I have picked up in Michael Hardin, Brad Jersak and Daniel Yordy is a Mennonite hatred of violence.
What I pick up in many UK and US Christians is a complete acceptance of Might is Right. This was the Anglican position in both world wars and now we realise is the very spirit exploited by Kitchener, Rothschild and Freemasonry to make huge sums of money and present an even larger blood sacrifice to their Lucifer god,who demands this in his worship.
So clearly this was a wrong spirit. But I discern in both the pacifist Mennonite position and the Republican.....war against terror....actually the same tree....just different ends.
As soon as we begin rebuilding Bible passages according to our fixed Tree of Knowledge positions we have already divorced ourselves from God's Life. Which,I stress again, is a totally different Tree: the Tree of Life.
In the wisdom of God the Spirit IS USING Hardin (especially in raising the profile of Rene Girard) Jersak and Yordy to kick into touch the angry god syndrome left in the mouth by anything to do with the Nicene Council.
The "substitutionary" death of Christ whereby this angry distant god could somehow work out all His wrath by substituting His own Son.
For more clarity on this issue read Rudi Louw's collections of insights, his own, and Francois DuToit and Andre Rabe in his new book "God's Love For You".
The truth is nearly 180 degrees opposite whereby God goes to the nth degree above what we could have even imagined to demonstrate His own ever FIXED love for us.
I feel the Lord has used the Mennonite pacifist position in this way, to provoke these three authors,Hardin,Jersak,Yordy and many others I don't know, to unearth the "coming up from underneath path of the Lamb", and especially from Gethsemane to the Cross.
Or as I heard it from Mother Basilea Schlink in 1974...."Go the Way of the Lamb, for it is a way of great power."
Daniel Yordy's Chapters which describe the walk to the Cross from Gerthsemane are really powerful and clear.
Basilea's actual commission had been to paralyse Chairman Mao's planned military advance on Europe.
But through Schlink I was watching a model son of God in action. The context was this. A group of male and female 16-18 year olds would be invited to share in the life of the Lutheran Community at Darmstadt, whose attraction was a deeper clarity into the gospel and how it works through the battle of faith.
I was saddened upon arrival to hear that having gone specifically to hear from Basilea as much as I could, she suddenly felt called away to fast and pray. I'll explain that in a minute, but it was very noticeable on her eventual return that she had a huge anointing upon her as she gave the two messages which "Spirit-wounded" my life from then on.
Talk 1. was the above...Lamb message
Talk 2. Was similar, but "Seek the Face of the God of Jacob as at Peniel"
Basilea's actual commission had been to paralyse Chairman Mao's planned military advance on Europe. This was very real although Europe never got to hear about it. You can read passages in Jung Chang's book "Mao".
Basilea went into the throne of God and went into battle directly against the powers driving Mao forward in his expansionism. The very next thing anyone in the world knew was the following year when Kissinger, Nixon and Mao were all having tea together, in which I think plans were deferred for the end of the century. In many ways what wasn't accomplished militarily has been accomplished through financial clout. But that is another subject.
Both 1.when I was baptised in the Spirit and fire, and went through a definite two stage process on that day in the upper room in 1972, and also 2.the spirit I observed upon Basilea has absolutely nothing to do with modern Mennonite pacifism. There's a godly violence in the Throne room. Works of Justice as well as mercy.
Michael Hardin attempts to fashion Jesus after his Mennonite belief system in his reworking of Jesus in the Temple.(The Jesus-Driven Life) The Bible passages talk about Jesus DRIVING OUT the moneychangers with whips. Whether threats or actual physical hurts, the main thing is this was Holy Spirit as physical force.
Jesus spoke strongly to Peter. "Get thee behind me Satan..." addressing the spirit coming from his mouth. He groaned deeply as he pulled Lazarus back to life, with His "come forth." He expressed the strongest annoyance at the disciples after the Transfiguration...and probably because of the contrast...when they couldn't drive out the epileptic demon.."How long do I have to put up with this generation of unbelief?"
The letters of the New Testament also contain very strong and humbling corrections, the strongest of which came from Paul against Peter.
"Violent men take the Kingdom by force."
The Mennonite position is nowadays to pray always
to always speak softly
to let things be....que sera sera !!!
It's not that we shouldn't be praying. But some of us have done 40 years dying to flesh anger. We are expecting the anger that comes forth through us to be Christ....and to bring peace, even if not instantly.
This poofy, mamby pamby religious form of Christianity that strokes pet demons
Ours is the Christ push and shove of having lived a decade or more in Christian community and watched how through some kind of Spirit peristalsis movement, the Body of Christ squeezes all that is not part of the New creation to the surface to be judged, exorcised, kicked out, so that people experience true deliverance.
This poofy, mamby pamby religious form of Christianity that strokes pet demons and allows them continued house room is not the experience that comes from the baptism of the Spirit and fire.
I have had a personal run in with Michael Hardin (and not just Daniel Yordy).
Imagine two sharpshooters sidling into town and eyeing each other.
I openly attacked his mennonite pacifism, but he was judging me on my knowledge of theology. So he was a theological sharpshooter.
There are occasional references to study in the new testament, but there are far more references to Jesus almost righting off anyone who has come the way of study. So actually if any judgments are to be made regarding leftbrain skills, the Bible is far more a book about "working out your salvation with fear and trembling." About waiting on God's voice. About following the Spirit for these are the sons of God. This , in Michael Hardin's world, and even Brian McClaren and certainly Mark Driscoll, as well as ofcourse the evangelicals John Piper et al is exactly the reverse.
So for example Michael Hardin's form of attack against me was that I was gnostic.
Whereas my observation of him is that having spent ages going the leftbrain route, having begun well in the 70s Spirit Move, instead, in complete discouragement , he gives up on the Lord for a while. Well , Rich Novek has done that. But Rich doesn't treat me like dirt. He honours the fact that the Holy Spirit has largely kept Daniel Yordy and myself faithfully growing in the context of church community.
In my sharpshooting context, I am viewing how much a believer has lived out his or her Christianity in a Holy Spirit church community. In reality there have been relatively few of these. Even the ones that exist in terms of evangelism like Operation Mobilisation and Youth With a Mission have some horrible organisational "add-ins"....or "Jesus PLUS this". Up until this point in time there are very few on earth that have had anything approaching the experience of the 12 disciples learning day in day out from Jesus. And in the measure that I have, all of us had to make Divine Telephone calls first, via what I call the Melchizedek Order, to find ourselves supernaturally placed together in such a Spirit setting especially between the years 1978-84.
But this was already something like my 4th or 5th experience of something similar since God radically blasted me out of my parent's Methodist religion via atheism in 1972.
A religious spirit sees God's anger and calls it disruption. Which is true.
A religious spirit sees God's anger and assumes it is anger after the flesh. Which it isn't.
A religious spirit condemns God's anger as provoking wrath, creating splinters and divisions. Which it isn't.
A religious spirit, as manifested in the crowd being offended by Jesus cannibalistic words in John 6 and leaving, then blames the one bringing the Word as having caused the mess, and with schadenfreude takes joy in the fact that Jesus is now left with only 12 followers or so. In other words it kills with 2 daggers.
This is what God's anger is.
It is specific.
This is what God's anger is.
It is specific.
It targets and deals with Darkness.
It openly declares itself like Jesus to be a bringer not of peace, but a sword. Why? because it is addressing that which can be shaken. That which is of the Old Order. That which is passing away.
It brings peace, because having driven out Darkness the Life of God now has an open infrastructure in which to peacefully thrive and flourish.
God's anger is definitely not PC. Politically correct means honoring the kings and pyramids of this world under Lucifer. We honour God's order as ones in the world. We give to Caesar what is Caesar's. But we are NOT OF THIS WORLD. We are not run by the spirit that is in the sons of darkness, we live by another spirit that takes us right back to our original authenticity and uniqueness in God.
We are not of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. We are of the Tree of Life, and this is the community I have always lived among since being born again. The personnel may change, but the Spirit in which we live has never changed.
1 John 1:5-7
English Standard Version (ESV)
Walking in the Light
5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Facebook has been known by many of my friends in the last few years as Gracebook. Social media has rightfully been scorned for some terrible excesses, actually in a similar way to the excitement that preceded it in Friends Reunited.
Both have been the cause of marital breakdowns and many forms of cheap relating, also threatening and abusive namecalling, not to mention pedophilia grooming.
2008 was quite a positive wake-up call though. Some of us started to realise what an online vehicle for good we have at our fingertips.
For a start, what seemed like the beginning of an international Christian revival beginning in Lakeland , Florida, already had God TV able to beam it across the world, together with this new phenomena of social media. Around this time I began gingerly discussing Florida with others on blogs, centered around Dan Bowen's blog :Life on Wings. This was my first real outlet to begin sharing what I was seeing in God. With encouragement from others I began this blog in August 2008.
Soon after, and quite naturally, many Christian men as well as women began sharing their viewpoints and revelation via Facebook, at which point something died in the rather hermetically sealed world of Blogland...mostly Blogger and WordPress...and a lot of us now receive virtually no blog comments, but quite often people comment direct in Facebook. I am not currently on Twitter and have been taking a break from Facebook.
Between 12 to 30 of us, with many comings and goings, spent all but 2 years in a single private Facebook Thread.....
Between 12 to 30 of us, with many comings and goings, spent all but 2 years in a single private Facebook Thread that was as close to online church as may be possible but for conferencing face to face. And with the advent of 4G mobiles this may soon be possible.
Look at the following passage with these 2 keys.
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| The actual Spoken Word of God |
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| Normal Human interaction |
1 Kings 13
Living Bible (TLB) as continuous prose.
SCENE ONE
As Jeroboam approached the altar to burn incense to the golden calf idol, a prophet of the Lord from Judah walked up to him.
Then, at the Lord’s command, the prophet shouted, “O altar, the Lord says that a child named Josiah shall be born into the family line of David, and he shall sacrifice upon you the priests from the shrines on the hills who come here to burn incense; and men’s bones shall be burned upon you.”
As Jeroboam approached the altar to burn incense to the golden calf idol, a prophet of the Lord from Judah walked up to him.
Then, at the Lord’s command, the prophet shouted, “O altar, the Lord says that a child named Josiah shall be born into the family line of David, and he shall sacrifice upon you the priests from the shrines on the hills who come here to burn incense; and men’s bones shall be burned upon you.”
Then he gave this proof that his message was from the Lord: “This altar will split apart, and the ashes on it will spill to the ground.”
The king was very angry with the prophet for saying this. He shouted to his guards, “Arrest that man!” and shook his fist at him. Instantly the king’s arm became paralyzed in that position; he couldn’t pull it back again! At the same moment a wide crack appeared in the altar and the ashes poured out, just as the prophet had said would happen. For this was the prophet’s proof that God had been speaking through him.
“Oh, please, please,” the king cried out to the prophet, “beg the Lord your God to restore my arm again.”
So he prayed to the Lord, and the king’s arm became normal again.
Then the king said to the prophet, “Come to the palace with me and rest awhile and have some food; and I’ll give you a reward because you healed my arm.”
But the prophet said to the king, “Even if you gave me half your palace, I wouldn’t go into it; nor would I eat or drink even water in this place!
For the Lord has given me strict orders not to eat anything or drink any water while I’m here, and not to return to Judah by the road I came on.”
So he went back another way.
SCENE TWO
As it happened, there was an old prophet living in Bethel, and his sons went home and told him what the prophet from Judah had done and what he had said to the king.
As it happened, there was an old prophet living in Bethel, and his sons went home and told him what the prophet from Judah had done and what he had said to the king.
“Which way did he go?” the old prophet asked. So they told him.
“Quick, saddle the donkey,” the old man said. And when they had saddled the donkey for him, he rode after the prophet and found him sitting under an oak tree.
“Are you the prophet who came from Judah?” he asked him.
“Yes,” he replied, “I am.”
Then the old man said to the prophet, “Come home with me and eat.” “No,” he replied, “I can’t; for I am not allowed to eat anything or to drink any water at Bethel. The Lord strictly warned me against it; and he also told me not to return home by the same road I came on.”
But the old man said, “I am a prophet too, just as you are; and an angel gave me a message from the Lord. I am to take you home with me and give you food and water.”
But the old man was lying to him.
So they went back together, and the prophet ate some food and drank some water at the old man’s home.Then, suddenly, while they were sitting at the table, a message from the Lord came to the old man, and he shouted at the prophet from Judah, “The Lord says that because you have been disobedient to his clear command and have come here, and have eaten and drunk water in the place he told you not to, therefore your body shall not be buried in the grave of your fathers.” After finishing the meal, the old man saddled the prophet’s donkey, and the prophet started off again. But as he was traveling along, a lion came out and killed him. His body lay there on the road, with the donkey and the lion standing beside it. Those who came by and saw the body lying in the road and the lion standing quietly beside it, reported it in Bethel where the old prophet lived.
When he heard what had happened he exclaimed, “It is the prophet who disobeyed the Lord’s command; the Lord fulfilled his warning by causing the lion to kill him.”
Then he said to his sons, “Saddle my donkey!” And they did.He found the prophet’s body lying in the road; and the donkey and lion were still standing there beside it, for the lion had not eaten the body nor attacked the donkey. So the prophet laid the body upon the donkey and took it back to the city to mourn over it and bury it.
He laid the body in his own grave, exclaiming, “Alas, my brother!”
Afterwards he said to his sons, “When I die, bury me in the grave where the prophet is buried. Lay my bones beside his bones. For the Lord told him to shout against the altar in Bethel, and his curse against the shrines in the cities of Samaria shall surely be fulfilled.”
Despite the prophet’s warning, Jeroboam did not turn away from his evil ways; instead, he made more priests than ever from the common people, to offer sacrifices to idols in the shrines on the hills. Anyone who wanted to could be a priest. This was a great sin and resulted in the destruction of Jeroboam’s kingdom and the death of all of his family.
Quite a story eh? Is it just me, or are there others who find this quite an enigmatic tale worthy of Franz Kafka? Except I think this is history and not fiction.
Covenant Relationships
Covenant relating or walking in the Light is a whole different dynamic.
The apostles had this dynamic. It is nearly nowhere to be seen in our current churches, and I do not actually see it on Facebook where Christians relate.
People are quick to quote Ecclesiastes 4:12 Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.
Few people...in fact let's make that just me, talk about Genesis 15 and the splitting open of the carcasses, the darkness, and the supernatural flaming torch passing between them.
In May 1976 we heard a historic message preached apostolically and prophetically by Ern Baxter in Capel Bible Week. The reason I googled and found Dan Bowen's blog was because in 2008 I was looking for someone who had the first part of Ern's message. Somewhere we had mislaid this, although I have transferred the second part to mp3. The message was on Covenant Love as expressed through David and Jonathan's relationship, but used as a template for the kind of relating in the Body of Christ, and also between married couples.
Now people are quick to appreciate the extra strength of humans being interwoven with Christ in their relationships, but they are less quick to take on board the covenantal implications of walking together.
This John refers to as Walking in the Light.
In May 1976 we heard a historic message preached apostolically and prophetically by Ern Baxter in Capel Bible Week. The reason I googled and found Dan Bowen's blog was because in 2008 I was looking for someone who had the first part of Ern's message. Somewhere we had mislaid this, although I have transferred the second part to mp3. The message was on Covenant Love as expressed through David and Jonathan's relationship, but used as a template for the kind of relating in the Body of Christ, and also between married couples.
Now people are quick to appreciate the extra strength of humans being interwoven with Christ in their relationships, but they are less quick to take on board the covenantal implications of walking together.
This John refers to as Walking in the Light.
Back in the 1970s we could see the vision of "walking together", and this had been laid from the beginning of our walk as Jesus people
in songs such as
Father I appreciate you.....and brother sister I appreciate you....etc
and
We are being built into a Temple fit for God's own dwelling place.
The vision of discipleship came back into the church, particularly through Juan Carlos Ortiz, although the Spirit had already led a lot of us in these ways, but also in the organisation Youth With a Mission, Operation Mobilisation and even before this the Navigators.
The vision of One ness in John 17 was being expressed through Graham Pulkingham, Jimmy and Carol Owens in the musical "Come Together", and in the great London prophecy of Maurice Smith The Glorious Church reproduced in this post with others.
However, in the 70s we did not have clear our self identity.....
However, in the 70s we did not have clear our self identity. So any concept of relating could only really be upon sand.
The complete revelation of a God of Abraham, Isaac and also Jacob right down to the Peniel experience is what we all need individually in order to "get" firsthand our identity and who our Rock is, that is Jesus, the one fused now to our spirit, and also that we ARE spirit.
I will repeat that last bit : we are primarily spirit, but this is expressed through soul.
The whole thrust of secularism is that we are self-empowered souls...
The whole thrust of secularism is that we are self-empowered souls, and by default, the first 2 corporate expressions of Christianity still think this.
The vision of the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac only, doesn't really cut it.
This is why Psalm 24 specifically quotes Jacob.
Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
And who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul [b]to falsehood
And has not sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive a blessing from the Lord
And [c]righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 [d]This is the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face—even Jacob.
The vision of Jacob.... that is the summation of the vision of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ....and we get this by "seeking the Lord"...this is the revelation that clinches us as fully "getting " our self-identities.
As with all God "things", they are hidden in openness.
And who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul [b]to falsehood
And has not sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive a blessing from the Lord
And [c]righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 [d]This is the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face—even Jacob.
The vision of Jacob.... that is the summation of the vision of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ....and we get this by "seeking the Lord"...this is the revelation that clinches us as fully "getting " our self-identities.
As with all God "things", they are hidden in openness.
They are hidden in transparency.
This is the wisdom of God. He makes no secrecy of the fact that the whole of Christian life is summed up in the phrase : Christ in you the hope of glory.
Our problem, my problem, your problem, is that that phrase means absolutely nothing to your leftbrain, your conscious thinking.
The only way you are going to get it, is to seek God....for God. Then, everything begins to click...like tumbler locks on a safe door...but internally.
This is the wisdom of God. He makes no secrecy of the fact that the whole of Christian life is summed up in the phrase : Christ in you the hope of glory.
Our problem, my problem, your problem, is that that phrase means absolutely nothing to your leftbrain, your conscious thinking.
The only way you are going to get it, is to seek God....for God. Then, everything begins to click...like tumbler locks on a safe door...but internally.
The only way you are going to get it, is to seek God....for God
So.....back to the heading scripture!
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
Every christian uses social media because intimacy,closeness,sharing is desirable. The spin-off,the other side of the coin is that we cannot hide. We cannot retreat when someone touches us where we are still hiding, where we still sport figleaves.
This is the rather awkward place the Body of Christ now finds itself. Do you see the relevance of the story of the two prophets ? We have now been made a nation of prophets priests and kings. Jeremiah 31 declares the new covenant ; that we shall all know Him from the least to the greatest. So like the two prophets,until we are settled in our new identity we are going to be announcing that we have heard from angels, and that we really think you should be staying for tea. But then,just as in touch with the Throne as you are, the Spirit then blurts through us the corrective Word. In the story the One charged with the nationally impacting message is the one who dies. But Both prophets were disobedient.
We can't just fall out any more. An explanation will be supplied whether we like or not. Our stories become very public about the time we claim to be....or perhaps we don't claim anything we just seek to bring the Word of the Lord to the Body of Christ.
In the story of the prophets we would be totally confused but for the Spirit clarification of the writer of 1 Samuel. We are told that when the second prophet claimed more up to date info...He lied.
We can't just fall out any more. An explanation will be supplied whether we like or not.
This is walking in the Light. This is fellowshipping.
Daniel Yordy has written a very key book entitled Eyes of Fire. In it he has done the work of a prophet and described the work God has already finished in the heavens in bringing forth a Bride without spot or wrinkle....but stating that this same Bride is becoming manifest on earth. And this same Bride looks out from her position as seated upon the throne tucked in the side of Jesus Christ. Like her bridegroom she is of the same Lamb nature , not seeking rule over, but like Christ,continually rising from underneath....going the powerless way of the Lamb who trod Gethsemane road. The way of the mercy seat. Bringing all things together in heaven and earth through the intercession discovered by St Paul....filling out the sufferings of Christ....why....because they are indeed Christ's sufferings but this time exercised through His multimembered Body.
So why should Daniel separate himself and indeed not allow us to finish posting the rest of the book Eyes of Fire ? I think this is because of something R.Edward Miller and Jorge Pradas warned our Emsworth congregation about. Several times Daniel writes about experiencing the place of the Mercy Seat, of looking out from this place. Both Jorge and Ed warned of the deception that they each had to learn. We enter this most holy place,individually, in the experience of the loss of all things,of the altar of incense.....but the new place is not individual. We return home in effect to that which is from the beginning. We awaken to the perfect image of corporate man neatly tucked up in perfect union with God and fellow man. All walls of hostility are broken down.
For this to be so....this image of the New Man is Not our image scaled up. It is not even our resurrected image scaled up to the nth degree. No,this is the completeness,the fullness, of each part fully working,fully in resurrection but containing the fullness of the whole. All 12 tribes. All the personalities of the 12 apostles. All the fullness of the 12 gates or 12 kingdom portal experiences that are couched within the rebuilt Jerusalem Gates described in Nehemiah.
Paul was used to attack the issue of disunity. He did it in two or three passages. Corinthians in two places and probably him writing in Hebrews 6. It could also be argued that by expounding fully upon the Grace of God in its outworkings in Romans individually,in Ephesians as church....He was doing the same namely making the link with immaturity and fracture,and disunity.
I could not address you as mature because each follows only one or two teachers. Do you not know that all are yours. The giveaway he writes about in 1 Corinthians 12 is that everyone is saying Because you are not a (fill in the blank) I have no need of you.Lastly in Hebrews chapter 6 brings up the sticky issue of continually laying instructions about baptisms/ water....Baptism in the Holy Ghost....other. initial teachings....today we would call this evangelical and charismatic level believing.....basically you cannot hope to experience the full manifestation of the corporate Christ at this level of believing. You may experience something of the Unity of the Spirit...but no....you are along way from the Unity of the faith.
The story of the two prophets show us that I don't have to be like you. I mustn't try to make you stop for tea with me.....or make you behave like me. Because we both walk in the Light....All our wrongdoing is going to show up anyway. There is no hiding for either of us. Each of us have to do precisely that which Christ is doing by us.
The story of the two prophets shows up this rather odd pairing that exists in the Body.....1. On the One hand the lovers,the people people.....who largely exist to bless others with hospitality....and 2. Those that find themselves quite naturally saddled/consumed with the Word of the Lord. Teatimes are great....but not while Words to do with nation's destinies are being given. There is a serious edge to our relating in the Body of Christ. We have come to the City of the Living God. Of Ananias and Saphirra in Acts.
Last week a prophet in the UK died.
Three years ago this youngish man of God had become discouraged. My friend in northern England related the tale a few days ago. This friend of his just suddenly went right away from God. An apostolic figure felt God warn him that his wife would not hang around forever,she would also get discouraged and leave him. Last year this happened. Chastened by this Word coming true,the prophet began to relate with them all again, also bringing in a brand new male friend with him,who became a committed Christian.
After many weeks of strong and direct words from Christ through this apostolic gift, the prophet was challenged to release all bad debts on his property management. It was one weight he wished to cling to. A few weeks later he was dead from a brain tumour. Presumably God knew the money worries were too great a risk to his health.
So you see we are not playing around.
In the next post I want to cover the Gates of Jerusalem which is a more in-depth look at Nehemiah chapters 1 to 8.
In the free for all that is Facebook, people remain in immaturity because they construct for themselves their own reality and don't realise that their Jesus Christ has to join with everybody else's Jesus Christ. It is easy to do this when we dismiss the bits of the Bible we don't like....the bits of the Body we don't like....and the experiences of the Living God we don't like that are available to all in the Spirit.
I want to end this post with a key to life in the Spirit.....
I want to end this post with a key to life in the Spirit and Hebrews 4. The Tree of the knowledge of good and Evil gives us information on every subject under the sun. But it doesn't give us the Tree of Life.
What I have picked up in Michael Hardin, Brad Jersak and Daniel Yordy is a Mennonite hatred of violence.
What I pick up in many UK and US Christians is a complete acceptance of Might is Right. This was the Anglican position in both world wars and now we realise is the very spirit exploited by Kitchener, Rothschild and Freemasonry to make huge sums of money and present an even larger blood sacrifice to their Lucifer god,who demands this in his worship.
So clearly this was a wrong spirit. But I discern in both the pacifist Mennonite position and the Republican.....war against terror....actually the same tree....just different ends.
As soon as we begin rebuilding Bible passages according to our fixed Tree of Knowledge positions we have already divorced ourselves from God's Life. Which,I stress again, is a totally different Tree: the Tree of Life.
In the wisdom of God the Spirit IS USING Hardin (especially in raising the profile of Rene Girard) Jersak and Yordy to kick into touch the angry god syndrome left in the mouth by anything to do with the Nicene Council.
The "substitutionary" death of Christ whereby this angry distant god could somehow work out all His wrath by substituting His own Son.
For more clarity on this issue read Rudi Louw's collections of insights, his own, and Francois DuToit and Andre Rabe in his new book "God's Love For You".
The truth is nearly 180 degrees opposite whereby God goes to the nth degree above what we could have even imagined to demonstrate His own ever FIXED love for us.
I feel the Lord has used the Mennonite pacifist position in this way, to provoke these three authors,Hardin,Jersak,Yordy and many others I don't know, to unearth the "coming up from underneath path of the Lamb", and especially from Gethsemane to the Cross.
Or as I heard it from Mother Basilea Schlink in 1974...."Go the Way of the Lamb, for it is a way of great power."
Daniel Yordy's Chapters which describe the walk to the Cross from Gerthsemane are really powerful and clear.
Basilea's actual commission had been to paralyse Chairman Mao's planned military advance on Europe.
But through Schlink I was watching a model son of God in action. The context was this. A group of male and female 16-18 year olds would be invited to share in the life of the Lutheran Community at Darmstadt, whose attraction was a deeper clarity into the gospel and how it works through the battle of faith.
I was saddened upon arrival to hear that having gone specifically to hear from Basilea as much as I could, she suddenly felt called away to fast and pray. I'll explain that in a minute, but it was very noticeable on her eventual return that she had a huge anointing upon her as she gave the two messages which "Spirit-wounded" my life from then on.
Talk 1. was the above...Lamb message
Talk 2. Was similar, but "Seek the Face of the God of Jacob as at Peniel"
Basilea's actual commission had been to paralyse Chairman Mao's planned military advance on Europe. This was very real although Europe never got to hear about it. You can read passages in Jung Chang's book "Mao".
Basilea went into the throne of God and went into battle directly against the powers driving Mao forward in his expansionism. The very next thing anyone in the world knew was the following year when Kissinger, Nixon and Mao were all having tea together, in which I think plans were deferred for the end of the century. In many ways what wasn't accomplished militarily has been accomplished through financial clout. But that is another subject.
Both 1.when I was baptised in the Spirit and fire, and went through a definite two stage process on that day in the upper room in 1972, and also 2.the spirit I observed upon Basilea has absolutely nothing to do with modern Mennonite pacifism. There's a godly violence in the Throne room. Works of Justice as well as mercy.
Michael Hardin attempts to fashion Jesus after his Mennonite belief system in his reworking of Jesus in the Temple.(The Jesus-Driven Life) The Bible passages talk about Jesus DRIVING OUT the moneychangers with whips. Whether threats or actual physical hurts, the main thing is this was Holy Spirit as physical force.
Jesus spoke strongly to Peter. "Get thee behind me Satan..." addressing the spirit coming from his mouth. He groaned deeply as he pulled Lazarus back to life, with His "come forth." He expressed the strongest annoyance at the disciples after the Transfiguration...and probably because of the contrast...when they couldn't drive out the epileptic demon.."How long do I have to put up with this generation of unbelief?"
The letters of the New Testament also contain very strong and humbling corrections, the strongest of which came from Paul against Peter.
"Violent men take the Kingdom by force."
The Mennonite position is nowadays to pray always
to always speak softly
to let things be....que sera sera !!!
It's not that we shouldn't be praying. But some of us have done 40 years dying to flesh anger. We are expecting the anger that comes forth through us to be Christ....and to bring peace, even if not instantly.
This poofy, mamby pamby religious form of Christianity that strokes pet demons
Ours is the Christ push and shove of having lived a decade or more in Christian community and watched how through some kind of Spirit peristalsis movement, the Body of Christ squeezes all that is not part of the New creation to the surface to be judged, exorcised, kicked out, so that people experience true deliverance.
This poofy, mamby pamby religious form of Christianity that strokes pet demons and allows them continued house room is not the experience that comes from the baptism of the Spirit and fire.
I have had a personal run in with Michael Hardin (and not just Daniel Yordy).
Imagine two sharpshooters sidling into town and eyeing each other.
I openly attacked his mennonite pacifism, but he was judging me on my knowledge of theology. So he was a theological sharpshooter.
There are occasional references to study in the new testament, but there are far more references to Jesus almost righting off anyone who has come the way of study. So actually if any judgments are to be made regarding leftbrain skills, the Bible is far more a book about "working out your salvation with fear and trembling." About waiting on God's voice. About following the Spirit for these are the sons of God. This , in Michael Hardin's world, and even Brian McClaren and certainly Mark Driscoll, as well as ofcourse the evangelicals John Piper et al is exactly the reverse.
So for example Michael Hardin's form of attack against me was that I was gnostic.
Whereas my observation of him is that having spent ages going the leftbrain route, having begun well in the 70s Spirit Move, instead, in complete discouragement , he gives up on the Lord for a while. Well , Rich Novek has done that. But Rich doesn't treat me like dirt. He honours the fact that the Holy Spirit has largely kept Daniel Yordy and myself faithfully growing in the context of church community.
In my sharpshooting context, I am viewing how much a believer has lived out his or her Christianity in a Holy Spirit church community. In reality there have been relatively few of these. Even the ones that exist in terms of evangelism like Operation Mobilisation and Youth With a Mission have some horrible organisational "add-ins"....or "Jesus PLUS this". Up until this point in time there are very few on earth that have had anything approaching the experience of the 12 disciples learning day in day out from Jesus. And in the measure that I have, all of us had to make Divine Telephone calls first, via what I call the Melchizedek Order, to find ourselves supernaturally placed together in such a Spirit setting especially between the years 1978-84.
But this was already something like my 4th or 5th experience of something similar since God radically blasted me out of my parent's Methodist religion via atheism in 1972.
A religious spirit sees God's anger and calls it disruption. Which is true.
A religious spirit sees God's anger and assumes it is anger after the flesh. Which it isn't.
A religious spirit condemns God's anger as provoking wrath, creating splinters and divisions. Which it isn't.
A religious spirit, as manifested in the crowd being offended by Jesus cannibalistic words in John 6 and leaving, then blames the one bringing the Word as having caused the mess, and with schadenfreude takes joy in the fact that Jesus is now left with only 12 followers or so. In other words it kills with 2 daggers.
This is what God's anger is.
It is specific.
This is what God's anger is.
It is specific.
It targets and deals with Darkness.
It openly declares itself like Jesus to be a bringer not of peace, but a sword. Why? because it is addressing that which can be shaken. That which is of the Old Order. That which is passing away.
It brings peace, because having driven out Darkness the Life of God now has an open infrastructure in which to peacefully thrive and flourish.
God's anger is definitely not PC. Politically correct means honoring the kings and pyramids of this world under Lucifer. We honour God's order as ones in the world. We give to Caesar what is Caesar's. But we are NOT OF THIS WORLD. We are not run by the spirit that is in the sons of darkness, we live by another spirit that takes us right back to our original authenticity and uniqueness in God.
We are not of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. We are of the Tree of Life, and this is the community I have always lived among since being born again. The personnel may change, but the Spirit in which we live has never changed.
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