Two Testimonies about Outworkings

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Maggie Dnistran
Years ago I attended a local fellowship. One of the first scriptures I learned there, and subsequently heard and shouted out at every meeting was this; "You shall declare a thing, and it I shall come to pass…."

We declared wealth! Health! Happiness! New cars! New houses! New husbands! Whole marriages! The weather! You name it! If you want it, shout it out by golly!

Now, being the thinker that I am…. I began to scratch my head and question this approach at Job 22:28…. And, yes, I tested it frequently! Funny thing is, that new car was never parked in my driveway the next morning, it rained when I declared sunshine, etc.…. OR, I’d accomplish something extraordinary and think, “wow, I didn’t even declare this thing!”

It got to the point in our home where we were afraid to speak ANYTHING negative, for instance, “I don’t feel well” or “I’m nervous about my test tomorrow” or “I am sad.”

This rationale just did not work. It did not produce abundant life in our household. It produced confusion and fear and extreme frustration. (Ok, ok, it really pissed us off! My teenage daughters first…. then I finally caught on! Those girls, they are so wise!)

So, we freed ourselves from that doctrine (law) and walked away from that system of belief.

It wasn’t until years later that I truly understood the power of what we declare…. and how it indeed comes to pass.

Now, these are just MY thoughts, this is not cast in stone… these are just MY simple thoughts.

Do you know a “woman at the well”? I’ve known many. Perhaps he or she is a person who suffers with an eating disorder or cuts themselves, or spends too much or eats too much or works too much…. as part of their futile search for love in all the wrong places! Do you know an “adulterous woman”? Perhaps you know a “greedy tax collector”? I do. Do you know someone who suffers from depression or someone who isolates themself? Do you know a bully? Yep! Mmm hum, me too!

So…….

What if…. the thing that was declared to them…. has come to pass?

You will never amount to anything!
Putting a few pounds on there?
You bitch!
You little man!
You loser!
Why didn’t you get an “A”?
You are too sensitive!
Don’t you raise your voice at me!
Your brother did it better!
I don’t love you.
Why didn’t you do it my way?
Why did you buy THAT color?
I told you so!
That’s a stupid choice.
I could have done it better!
Next time, let me do it, I’ll do it right!
____________________________________________!

Oh, and don’t forget the unspoken words!

The rolling eyes.
The condescending sigh.
The grunt instead of response.
No response.
The threatening glare.
The arrogant smirk.

I think you get my point.

Perhaps these declarations simply came to pass in the life of that person above.

Now, some believe these damaging declarations are irrevocable. That these folks are just damaged goods. That “people just don’t change” and we all know, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks”!

I beg to differ.

I have living proof!

I am living proof!

I was that “woman at the well”… looking for love and approval and belonging in codependent relationships, dysfunctional church groups, work, people pleasing, denying my own needs, etc… all because I believed some lies that were declared over me as a child and reinforced as an adult that just kept coming to pass in my life!

So…..

Today, I challenge you to scratch your head and question THIS approach at Job 22:28!

You are VERY good!
You are amazing!
I am so thankful for your life!
I love that!
You are so smart!
GREAT job!
GREAT color choice!
You are such a treasure!
You belong!
You’re included!
My door is always open!
Look at you! I love that about you!
Let’s have dinner together!
You did your best!
I love you!
I’m so proud of you!
You are beautiful!
You are so kind!
I’m so happy for you!
______________________________!

And, don’t forget the unspoken words!

The genuine smile!
The look of delight!
The hug!
The patience!
The forgiveness!
The kindness!
The pat on the back!
The gasp of joy!
The wink across the room!
The thumbs up!
The eye contact!
The ________________________________!

Does the transformation happen overnight? I’d say no. Do you plant a seed and instantly see the growth? Nope, but germination begins the minute the seed is planted! Underneath the soil! The change is underway! Hang in there! You are patient!

So, keep planting!

The rain will come!

The Light will shine!

You will see the growth! I promise! You will see the fruit!

Some will plant! Some will water! Love WILL make it grow! Love WILL do it’s work! I promise!

Pricking the Bloated Independent Self

Before Yes I am by Norman Grubb and others of his books, prophets were kind of stuck nonplussed.

We kept getting ourselves into scrapes but didn't really understand why. Certainly to everyone else who relate in quite a detached slightly formal, or may be just pally way, prophets were a complete enigma and consequently got themselves labelled as socially unstable.  Particularly in jolly hockeysticks or should that be golfsticks ? England.

Yet some of us had already observed that not infrequently Jesus caused the same problems, but that gets brushed under the carpet....since He is after all the Son of God and presumably can be forgiven....being perfect and all!!!

I brought this kind of thing up again yesterday in a comment on John Castleman's Timeline.

John Castleman
Yesterday at 16:21 ·
The chapter in my book i'm currently working on is titled 'The Art of Overlooking' since as Proverbs 19:11 reads, ‘It’s to one’s glory to overlook an offense’.
And He mercifully gives us plenty to 'overlook' along the Way, lots of gory on the road to glory. It's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong chapter.

Chris Welch: I would say this is a huge and current topic. Daniel Yordy won't even talk to me now.....And I don't know if you realise....spiritually we are virtually twins. So we'd better get this issue sorted. People people love talking about honouring each other. I would.guess this would be the chainmail permanently attached to Cindi Estep and Leonard Fredette. Prophets see straight through crap and see only the real person underneath and tell them so. At the moment the whole.Body of Christ right across the whole earth is ripped in two over this one. Do we do a Bill Johnson and honour each other? Or do we.obey St Paul and speak the truth in love? Which in his case involved naming names so that we are still.reading about Hymenaus 2000 years later?






Ephesians 4 twice talks about speaking the truth in love verse 15 we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head,

and verse 25 25 Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. 26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and do not give the devil [s]an opportunity.

And in the middle of the two is the foundation....namely that the old self is being corrupted in accordance with lusts of deceit so put on the new self which is in the likeness of God.

What Norman Grubb has defined is that the independent self is a complete delusion. It is hooked into lusts of deceit....It REALLY EXISTS,,,but it's NOT the independent thing we thought it was. It is actually being engaged with Satan's spirit. There is no "human nature". We are either God going on in our "human clay vessels" or we are Satan going on.

"And you [a]were dead [b]in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the [c]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, [d]indulging the desires of the flesh and of the [e]mind, and were by nature children of wrath,even as the rest."


Prophets are people with a balloon pricker.
They see evry man nolonger after the flesh....they see the authentic person, created in God. Now if some kind of bloated form is blobbing around outside of their authentic person, a prophet finds it quite normal to prick the fake even if it causes ructions.

Prophets cannot live with the false. They have no time for it. It quite puts them out of joint. They relate to everyone in truth and they kind of expect everyone else to do the same....which ofcourse they don't.

Jesus addressed the rich man, after he had regaled Jesus with all his keeping of the commandments....OK then....sell all you have and give it to the poor.

Is Jesus saying to everyone, every day, to sell all they have? NOPE. But He picked up the independent self clinging on for dear life to material possessions as its own god and He was immediately offended in the Spirit by the man and his self righteousness....so He launched in.

We all have people around us who do the equivalent and if we choose to walk in the Way of God then the Holy Spirit majors on it.

The function of walking in the Light is to have any last vestiges of independent self exposed as we can see in Ephesians 4 above.

As soon as someone has "removed the log" in his own eye.....come to that crashing awareness at the end of Romans 7 that there is no independent self....that any independence was really Satan as him or her.... SURE....as a thirdleveller they are going to be used to remove iddybiddy specks from their brother's inner seeing. The BIG JOB has been done by Christ on the Cross, including us into His death. We are never called upon to remove LOGS.
We can teach the Cross....but it was Christ who did the removal.

People I am brushing up with do not believe this is anything we do at all. Well you only have to read the story of Joseph as Prime Minister of Egypt, and how the Holy Spirit had him behave with his brothers to bring about a change of "seeing" in them.

Hopefully this post will get you thinking about how Proactive the Body of Christ is in bringing each of us unto glory....not by works....but by the power of Christ's own life manifested amongst us.