The Jacob Generation

Having seen Michael Kaminski's encouraging reports about Kenya I was saddened to see some kind of rift between him and his host George Odero. I am equally saddened by my own one with Daniel Yordy. Anyhow, these things were being discussed on a thread by Michael yesterday and I felt to lay down some of the bigger picture in two statuses (Facebook)

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I don't understand this situation specifically...and like someone said....I wasn't expecting this after the general really upbuilding reports of earlier.
But it is INTERESTING!!!
This is how I am seeing the time we are in.
We are in an incredible time period.
Absolutely unprecedented.
We need all the inner resources we can,
Prophet Daniel said about these times and the build up to Antichrist a word equivalent to "wondrous or astonishing" but ofcourse NOT USED POSITIVELY.
Just a cursory and not particularly indepth look at how "shrewd" the sons of Darkness have been is mindboggling....it truly left Daniel weak and off food for days....and believe me it IS like that. My wife told me she thought I was having a breakdown.

But into this Darkness a Light is shining.
God told our generation, "2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thy habitations; spare not: lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes.

And this was in the context of Isaiah 54.1 about the barren bringing forth.

But first , do you see....strengthening the stakes.....that means they have to be THICKER and RUN DEEPER than ever before, if we are going to see the sort of glorious rebuild of David's Tabernacle that He has in mind, now stretched across the Earth.

The second thing I want to say is that we are in the time of Jacob's TROUBLE.

Now some have ascribed this to mean Israel.
And some other things.

BUT NONE OF US thought in terms of ALL PARTIES AT THE SAME TIME.

Read Psalm 133 again about the new priesthood God has raised by the Spirit.

Like the dew of Hermon, That cometh down upon the mountains of Zion: For there Jehovah commanded the blessing, Even life for evermore.

Ever thought about that?
What's Mount Hermon, which is overrun by Gentiles got to do with Zion?

That's the POINT. Nothing and everything.

2 HOUSES are rising to be made ONE.

Without saying too much about Israel here because it is TRULY a RE RUN of the original Jacob but this time in corporate form....you watch....while all of Satanic hosts are trying to stop it and boobytrap it

MEANWHILE the Church in the earth is ALSO in the time of Jacob's Trouble.

It's no wonder there is conflict. We can nolonger do church as usual ever again.

It is truly a time of Psalm 24 and Psalm 110

This is the generation of them that seek after him, That seek thy face, even Jacob.

Think about Jacob a moment?
He was the third in a specific line of one consecutive family that sought God with all their heart mind strangth and soul.

And he was the LAST jigsaw in the God package

I AM the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
IN YOU SHALL THEY BE NAMED.

That is in the name of the Revelation of Abraham
combined with
the Revelation of Isaac
combined with the
Revelation of Jacob

The one complete package of dealings that were then rolled out into
a holy nation, the natural Israel.
Who was Israel? Jacob. His name was changed to Prince with God,
or one who has contended with God.

Why is this so important?
Because the evangelical revelation is really just a corporate version
of the faith of Abraham.
The Pentecostal and charismatic outpouring of the last 100 years
is like the wells of Isaac. Supernatural provision.

Jacob’s life BEGINS as a continuation of Isaac....
learning supernatural provison in speckled sheep and striped sheep to order!!!
Very like the charismatic continuation of the Pentecostal outpouring which
led into the Word of faith movement of the 60s 70s and 80s.
Many want to ridicule it. It was entirely in God’s Plan.

BUT THERE IS SOMETHING visceral in Jacob.
Something that moves right outside the realm of religion.
Christo Odero is talking about man as he is, mankind as he is.
Kind of leaving religion out of it.
This is VISCERAL.
This is letting God be God of all of it.
This is the Jacob generation, who are not concerned with line or lineage.
Who are not concerned with forbears.
Who are not concerned with formulas.
But want God FACE TO FACE....in boldness.
Not as a theology....but the reality of God indwelling Man.

Now to have churches like this we must have individuals like this.
We impart Christ in us the hope of glory individual by individual.
And the one affected individual has the genuine stuff which he imparts
to other souls, and so the Word transfers.

Word transfer. Seeking the Face of the God of Jacob.
Abiding in the SHADOW of the Most High....think the Darkness of inside an oven
except the Lord is Light so it can never really be Dark....it just looks that way to onlookers.....

But all this freaky visceral stuff is SO DEEP
SO CUTTING
SO MUCH LIKE GENESIS 15 and the OPEN CARCASSES and the BLOOD
churches that we have now cannot handle it. They are not built for it.

THINK of what Mike Kaminski has endured in disability...his own and his kids.
THINK of the excruciating pain of some of that.

These are the STRENGTHENING OF THE STAKES and the STRENGTHENING of the CORDS of the future church.

Church as it is now has different agenda from just transplanting Christ.
And we as believers must decide

Do we go with the other agenda of an incomplete Abraham and Isaac revelation....
a Halfbuilt Tower

Or do we go right into the THIRDLEVEL of a Peniel Church....where our very Name
gets changed

TO MARRIED

FROM BARREN....TO BEARER OF MANY SONS? Is54.1

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Where we are going is transparency.
God has many of His Church seeking His Face at the moment.
This is not random. This is the birth of a New Church.
This is the birth of what revelations 3 calls "eyesalve".
This is the birth of a new Church age.
THIS IS ACTUALLY the promised Word of the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. This last phrase has been used and quickened since the Holy Spirit was first poured out again in great number 100 years ago.....but it is NOT the same outworking of that Word.
What people have called the Restoration movement was not. We had firm warning about that from 2 famous men.
Smith Wigglesworth and R,Edward Miller.....actually the latter was a report of an angelic manifestation where Fort Lauderdale was mentioned before it meant anything.

Restoration is something born on the inside by God Himself, and we are right in the middle of that. Like most births it is messy.

But the Child of promise has nothing to do with the child of a bondwoman.

I was given a strong Word over 20 years ago, but I want to highlight this phrase.....

"You should fear lest you run ahead of me, lest you build what I am not building. For I build swiftly and well. My work will arise amidst your works and yours will splinter like matchsticks in front of the solidity of My work. When I build, people stand and stare, dumbstruck.
Fear, lest you too be ashamed."

the rest is here


When we "see" properly and accurately we can go from place to place looking to see as Paul said....for Christ crucified.

There is a fragrance, a Presence, a Character formed by the Holy Spirit.
We do not ask is this the work of Kaminski or is this the work of Odero....we ask simply how much of Jesus Christ is born and reproduced in this place?

We should as eunuch ministries of God be able to increasingly move from work to work, honoring the God wrought, and building upon that foundation. But for that ever to occur ministries need to be huge in their inner breadth of wisdom, "seeing", and understanding of all the "Gates of heavenly Jerusalem".

At the moment people are submitted to streams, to ideas, to passions and agendas of men. People are weighed up by which stream they are in submission to, but no one sees clearly to be able to see whether Christ is being imparted in fulness. Those days are coming to a close.
It won't be by friction....it will be simply the unfolding of
the words of Psalm 1 and Isaiah....

4 The wicked are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the wicked shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

AND

Is.35:8
the literal form YLT
8 And a highway hath been there, and a way, And the `way of holiness' is called to it, Not pass over it doth the unclean, And He Himself [is] by them, Whoso is going in the way -- even fools err not.

See up until now, people have decribed the WAY, and in the most intense worship times people have sensed it starting to arrive....in the same way Elijah's servant saw a "cloud the size of a man's hand"

But this WAY forming itself and birthing itself amongst us will just simply not allow half the things we allow presently. But there won't be any force involved in stopping them....people will just feel idiotic carrying on with the tithing system
carrying on with the halfhearted worship at present
carrying on with the overconstructed sermons of men whose intelligence is great but their hearts are far from the Kingdom
from inadequately Spirit prepared servants of God
from ministry dominance at the expense of a freeflowing Body ministry
of so many of the ways we currently do things but are not really His Son lived by us, nor the real BLOODBOUGHT Church of God.

Sermon Blues by Chris Welch

in Facebook (Notes) on 28 March 2013 at 11:51 AM

Pastor: I can't get a sermon.....I've been thinking all week.
Jesus : Who says you have to have one?
Pastor: It's my job d'oh. That's what they pay the tithe for. I am employed by them.
Jesus: Who said they had to tithe?
Pastor : Everyone knows Christians have to tithe
Jesus : I said people could give and give generously from a willing heart. I never said about tithing. That whole thing was for a different time, a different people and an old covenant. This is the new covenant in My Blood.
Pastor: Well if I didn't tell them they had to tithe no one would give.
Jesus: Firstly....you'd be surprised how freewill works. Secondly, what's the problem anyway? Go out and get a job.
Pastor: I haven't got time I'm leading a church remember?
Jesus: Who said you are leading the church? I thought I was?
Pastor: I know we say that, but the fact is if I didn't do it then nobody would.
Jesus : Good
Pastor: What do you mean good?
Jesus: When nobody leads, then that gives room for my Spirit to raise some men up in ministry gifts and all the others to give as the Spirit gives them utterance or gives them instruction.
Pastor: But pastors are in charge.
Jesus: Where does it say that? Rabbis are in charge under the Old Covenant. Where does it say that under the New?Jeremiah said "They do not teach each other anymore each one his neighbour for each of you shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest."
Pastor: That all sounds like Quakerism to me. And Quakers now invite Buddhists in, and anybody says anything they like. Completely wrong doctrines as well as right doctrines.
Jesus: Perhaps they are not connected to Me anymore and the Melchizedek Order. For you are all priests now after the Order of Melchizedek. You are a nation of kings and priests.
Pastor: Well I wish that was so, but many people do not even know you.
Jesus: Well perhaps you should be telling them that all can know Me, I included everyone when I stretched my arms open and died.
Pastor: So you are saying I shouldn't be in charge?
Jesus: Nowhere does it say a pastor is in charge. It says I gave many pastors for taking care of the sheep. It also says I gave many ministries for the equipping of the saints. Where are your apostles?
Pastor: We've got one apostle. He visits now and again. But he's far too bossy and I am in charge here.
Jesus:You are not in charge. Neither is that apostle. I don't give one apostle. Paul wrote "Not many are fathers". There are several fathers moving between churches, just as there are many prophets and pastors and teachers all moving in and around a local church.
Pastor: I've never heard of such a thing
Jesus: None of you modern pastors read the Bible much do you?
Pastor: I read the bits I like
Jesus : It says all ministry is given for the equipping of the saints.
Pastor: I don't see that as practical. How can ordinary what you call minstries possibly be adequately trained to run 3 year courses with exams and a certificate? It's just not practical.
Jesus: The equipping of the saints has nothing to do with three year institutional courses with exam certificates.
Pastor: It doesn't? That's how I got mine.
Jesus: I never gave you that certificate. I wouldn't give you any certificate.
Pastor: Now you are being rude.
Jesus: I wouldn't give you a certificate of paper because I have already given everything you need in Me. I write my Living Law right across your being...this is how the New Covenant works. When you are mature in it, you find yourself imparting it, others recognise it, and "a man's gift makes way for itself" Proverbs says.
Pastor: I teach being born again. I teach forgiveness received by faith because of your work on the Cross.
Jesus: You only preach one sacrifice. You only preach the Blood
Pastor : What are you saying now? There is only one Cross.
Jesus: I spelled it out in the Old Testament. One animal was slaughtered for sin. The other was sent away into the wilderness. It's the only way I could represent two things at once back then. It's the Blood and the Body.You were not only forgiven...but you also died in Me. I took your spirit and that of all in Adam in My Body into death. And I raised you all up as living spirits fused in Me. You are all new creations.
Pastor: They never told me that one. I studied for 3 years. I studied all about eschatology and the terrible history of the church. What you are saying is a different gospel.
Jesus: No. This IS MY GOSPEL. Unless you eat of my flesh and drink my blood you do not have any life in yourselves. What YOU are preaching is a different gospel. The gospel you preach leads to the terrible church history and a meaningless eschatology because nothing works.
Pastor: This is all doing my head in. And I still haven't got a sermon.
Jesus: This is all doing My Body in. And perhaps you have no right yet to give a sermon until you let me write My one in you.My Body builds itself up by that which each joint supplies. But nobody can supply anything other than that which I have already supplied. The Holy Spirit is given to make known to you all that which is mine and is now yours.It is not by power, nor by might, but everything is now by My Spirit says the Lord.If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation entirely, the old has simply passed away....the new is already here.
Pastor: You have criticised just about everything I do. I am not sure I and the congregation will ever change.
Jesus: It is as hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle .
Pastor: How am I rich?
Jesus: You have status with man, but outside of My Cross, none with me. You have people forcibly paying you a tenth of
their income every week even though this is not in the New Covenant. You want to be in charge of my works, yet do not recognise My Charge and the way I operate. You do not know more of the gospel than an Old Testament rabbi, who also believes in forgiveness by faith in God on the Day of Atonement. You are rich but outside of Me, and in reality you have little or nothing. Yet you will not relearn.
Pastor: Jesus, it's hard for me to ever relearn. I am in my forties. I would look foolish if I ever said my training was insufficient.
Jesus: Do you want emptiness, or do you want Life?
Pastor: I want your life,but I am not prepared to admit to any congregation I am wrong. I would be out of a job, and then who would pay for my living?
Jesus: I am your Supplier. I am all you need.
Pastor: *silence*

Jesus: Then I will send out into the highways and the byways and compel others in, for the sons of the Kingdom have refused the wedding invitation and the celebration WILL BE GREAT in the Honour which the Father has given Me, in the honour of the Holy Spirit's work, and in the honour of the Father who completes every work perfectly and abundantly.

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  Rich Novek Amen Chris, a perfect picture of the different gospel in action...thanks!

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  Lydia Joy Shatney AWESOME!!!

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  Gail Cochrane Chris......now THAT is a CONVERSATION!!!! And one that is so needed today!! Thank you, Chris.

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  Tunji Ayoade The Blood and the Body combination action in redemption. . .

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  Cliff Gableman I wonder how many "pastors" could or would receive this message? Thanks Chris.

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  Rich Novek My guess not too many, way too much to lose!

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  Ray E Horton Good message. After being with good churches so long, I forget there are probably pastors out there that need to hear this.

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  Carol Lucas Winkler I do believe there are churches, and pastors, who are like this, but i will say that i had a pastor who had a heart for God, and he truly loved everyone the same. He was a big giver, and he was down to earth. He didn't condemn, or try to squeeze money out of people.He was always giving money away. His love, and joy, and lifestyle are the things that made me want Jesus. Religion can be ugly, and hard, but we can't throw all pastors under the bus. I loved going to that church, for 16 years, until we moved. It was like a family, and the pastor was like our brother. I understand why so many are down on church, and pastors, because i have never found a church like the one i attended for so many years. I was taught about the love of God. I am thankful i had that pastor, and that preacher, when i was young, and knew nothing, at all, about the Lord. There have been pastors, in churches i visited, who were out for money, and fame, and numbers. It is sad...

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Dad,Can we go again? A study in the life of Paul.

by Chris Welch on Sunday, 03 October 2010 at 17:34 Facebook
So you're in a theme park . Your eight and ten year old looked up at the rollercoaster in terror, especially as their friends had told them that somewhere in the middle of the ride the Egyptian boat turns round suddenly and drops backwards down a gulley into a splashpool.
Eventually with firm encouragement you all go together on the ride.Because you are older and bulkier, the twists and turns are felt more violently and you're not sure you want that experience again, but as you leave the exit doors, your kids bounce up and down and shriek those dreaded words ......
DAD, CAN WE GO AGAIN?

My point is this. Is there a point in our third level life where we become sufficiently numb to the actual intercessory process, that literally all we can think about is "the hope that is set before us", the fruit from the last "ride of destruction" and what can we do next to detonate a bit of Satan's lying kingdom off the face of the Earth's surface.

James seemed to get here. "Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance." It also produces fruit. New birth.Life out of death. New churches.

Facebook readers and God's church in general seem to be divided on this passage:
Acts 21:10After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11Coming over to us, he took Paul's belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, "The Holy Spirit says, 'In this way the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.' "
12When we heard this, we and the people there pleaded with Paul not to go up to Jerusalem. 13Then Paul answered, "Why are you weeping and breaking my heart? I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." 14When he would not be dissuaded, we gave up and said, "The Lord's will be done."
15After this, we got ready and went up to Jerusalem.

Those that "have a thing about " Paul , probably because they are encouraged to think this way by modern secular teaching, call him arrogant at this point. Those that have any inkling about how 3rd level living works just roll around the floor laughing.
Those that build their tabernacles around the charismatic experience and particularly prophetic gifts are horrified by Paul's unsubmissive behaviour. He clearly needs to send for Rick Joyner's or John Paul Jackson's Prophetic DVD series.

I love that phrase "Why are you weeping and breaking my heart?"
Can I open up my present position to everyone? I am part of and serve a very good church in Havant. There is tremendous flow in the meetings. The participation level is among the highest I have seen anywhere in 38 years. This morning was no exception as people gathered round the senior leaders Peter and Mariette Stott. After 28 years (the C of E is just 7) they are taking a sabbatical. Not because they think "enough is enough. Blow this for a lark!" But because God has specifically revealed they should. Simultaneous with this God has indicated that the revival they have been seeking for 50 years is poised to occur, gathering forces just off most of the South Coast of England.
But here am I watching this flow...but with the same sort of detachment that Paul experienced above. I'm not denying the flow. I'm not saying it isn't of God. I'm not even denying that there will be revival. I'm not even denying that there's so much more 2nd level anointing to be had...gifts of healing....abilities to pray for other believers....pastoral understandings......

But I feel worried. Why? I suppose in the same way that Moses felt when God said "You shall go up to the land , but I will not come with you." Moses said "What d'you mean you won't come with us? You've got to come with us. I'm not going anywhere unless You go with us."

For 50 years we've prayed for revival in the UK. The last one was 1949 or something in the Hebrides, followed by thousands upon thousands converted in one way or another through Billy Graham. God might just answer our cry for revival.
But it might not be at a level that God is currently moving. In other words it could be another rehash of a first or 2nd level revival, but God's Now Presence, and His Now revelation of Him living in us as us....without the Genesis 3 separation...might not even be a feature.
So again we produce a generation of half-baked Christians, who haven't a clue of what God has done within them, and so spend another 50 years meandering around wondering what on earth this Spirit Life is all about, until the birth of another future revival.

Paul didn't deny that a prophet had spoken. He didn't deny "the flow of emotion" among those gathered...
he just said STOP! (sound of record needle scratching in a groove followed by silence)
"I am ready not only to be bound but also to die at Jerusalem..."
In other words...forget the 2ndlevel crap(I count all things as dung remember)....it's the 3rd level now. It's the father stage where we lay down our lives for others in order that we see real supernatural and swift growth in the Earth. Kindly shutup please while we pack up our bags!
Acts 14:19-21 had already described this incident:
But some Jews arrived there from Antioch and Iconium; and having persuaded the people and won them over, they stoned Paul and [[a]afterward] dragged him out of the town, thinking that he was dead.
20But the disciples formed a circle about him, and he got up and went back into the town; and on the morrow he went on with Barnabas to Derbe.
21When they had preached the good news (Gospel) to that town and made disciples of many of the people, they went back to Lystra and Iconium and Antioch,
So you've got the disciples knowing the power of gathering round people in circles. Witches do this too. But in the Holy Spirit it is like creating a glory forcefield around someone in the Name of Jesus. So Paul gets up, ready to testify in the quiet of someone's household meeting about how he had been raised up. Not a bit of it. He went back into THE SAME TOWN ready for his next missionary trip to Derbe.

So here we have one particular man getting to grips with the 3rd level and how it works. As we glean from the letters and Acts there is pacing. There are periods in jail. Periods of glory where you go around commanding the shots. Like the two occasions Paul produced his trump card according to the flesh. "I am Roman, so what right have you to judge me?" he even demanded that the leaders who had imprisoned him, escort him out with apologies." Ofcourse if you are still stuck in 2ndlevel religiosity you mistake this for flesh life. But then you've been playing religious games so long you wouldn't know about the other side of the Cross, when you get your life back, and you bounce back, twice as much "there" as you were before, much to everyone's consternation. http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2008/11/wahoo-zowie-i-get-myself-back.html
3rd level Kingdom of darkness sabotage operations aren't like the 2nd level sit down and plan it all out evangelistic campaigns.
For a start we know very little about the Father's larger operation. He keeps doing new off the wall things. About the time everyone has caught up He's long moved off doing something else entirely. When Jesus said to his disciples I nolonger call you servants but friends,He was inviting them in to share His own walk. But His own walk was limited. Right now Jesus is in His "4th level", He has graduated with honours from His earth walk to a position of glorified man (the first of many brethren) who is seated at the right hand of God the Father, running the whole show from there. His earthly walk was limited in the sense that he had to continually be open to what His Father was doing next and flow with it. This is our "3rdlevel" mature walk now....seeing what Jesus is doing and flowing with it. We are not just servants, we have been called into Union. His life has become our life. We are wombs for His next operations.
2ndlevel intercessory activity means nights of prayer rattling off in tongues at some Holy Spirit inspired target.
3rdlevel activity is when the Enemy comes for you, and anything you do causes ructions.
We have an example in Acts 16:16-19 16 It happened that as we were going to (AK)the place of prayer, a slave-girl having (AL)a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her masters much profit by fortune-telling.
17Following after Paul and us, she kept crying out, saying, "These men are bond-servants of (AM)the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation."
18She continued doing this for many days. But Paul was greatly annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, "I command you (AN)in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her!" And it came out at that very moment.
19But when her masters saw that their hope of (AO)profit was gone, they seized (AP)Paul and Silas and (AQ)dragged them into the market place before the authorities.
In different cycles and forms right through Acts, and gleaned from the letters, we see Paul learning the pacing and cycles of " deaths and resurrections" in order to bring forth life in others. There is the gift of utterance. There are the manifested gifts of the Spirit.There are the kickbacks. there are even the times of just "running for it and getting the heck out of there". There is the preaching into the religious settings and there is the preaching opportunities set up by God as a result of extraordinary events...or there are the Christ inspired opportunities created through Paul himself : for example thinking up the ruse of the "Unknown god" in Athens.

I want to finish this post by repeating what I have recently written about the gift of utterance. In my last blog post I make reference to 3rd level ministry/father stage ministry role of sharing Christ with those in the "young men" stage of development. This is typified by the shewbread around the fellowship table in the Holy Place. When we are young in the Spirit we shoot our mouth off. We rattle off scriptures. We mix worldly wisdom with godly wisdom. We share natural light with supernatural revelation.Our time is our own . We preach whether God is in it or not. Watchman Nee covers this in detail in the book of his notes : "The Release of the Spirit"
Psalm 42 speaks of "Deep calls unto deep". That which is Spirit, reproduces. Human waffle does very little.
Jesus said to His brothers in John 7, "Your time is always with you."
Jesus didn't move according to human timing and expectations....but often times He was bang on time for a prophetic Feast fulfilment.
In the first and second level Christian environments it's easy. You draw up a plan of sermon subjects and get different people to deliver them. In the 3rd level Christ is speaking by a gift of utterance precisely the Kingdom Word that addresses the particular spirit of darkness that is currently manifesting. It is much more like the pattern of Genesis 1 where God the Father and the Son speak into a situation of total chaos and darkness Light itself. This is the pattern of 3rd level preaching. It is on a completely different suoernatural level from anything our minds could come up with of themselves. This is truly why the Word says we have the mind of Christ. Bryan Coatney's poem describing this captures it superbly in One Million Thoughts.
http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2010/09/poetry-break-coatneyvelveteen.html
As soon as we engage with the kind of life decision that is described in Romans 12 :1-2, we become that "rollercoaster ride" that is the very womb of the Kingdom itself. What God is raising up however is a generation, a network of such Kingdom operators to co-work all over the Earth. We know what was accomplished by anointed single men, (fire-starters,ignition burners) in times past, we can only imagine what happens when teams of such 3rd levellers begin moving together. See the Ship Propulsion Unit vision here: http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2009/03/comparing-how-ships-are-powered-with.html

A Third Level Approach To Ministry II : Twinklers

Prodded a little by Lydia Joy losing her grandfather I wanted to continue this summary of thoughts on how the 3rd level changes everything we ever thought we knew about ministry.Maurice Smith calls mature Christians twinklers (see my book list).While others may age less than gracefully, with a growing cynicism, twinklers twinkle more!! Their eyes just give the game away. And you just know. You know they know Him in whom they have believed.

Without a powerful experience of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, a Christian seems to take several decades to become a true twinkler. Whether Protestant or Catholic, they are people of prayer and the Word. The slight snag is by the time they are twinklers, it is nearly time to go home...and they are severely restricted by limitations of age, mobility and possibly other issues.

So Youth With a Mission, Morris Cerullo, and Rheinhardt Bonnke hit on another system. Give the people of God an experience...a powerful experience coupled with a lot of training on the life of faith...and send them out to turn the world upside down!! In a way this is what happened on April 6th 1972 to all of us in a little corner of Bucks,England. And it seemed for a while we did turn our corner of things in Amersham a little bit upside down.But here is a snag. Youth With A Mission, Morris Cerullo and Rheinhardt Bonnke call this making twinklers. (Well they don't...but they call this sending workers out into the harvest). It is and it isn't. Let's return later.

For New Frontiers and a whole host of other networks of new churches, this is insufficient, so they believe in yoking developing ministries to local church situations over months and years. Possibly sending people to a more formal type of Bible College, be it run by their family of churches or some other institution that holds an evangelical position. Unless these new ministries are exposed to a radical Holy Spirit anointing either directly, as in Rob Rufus'case, or through other ministries...the tendency is always to settle back into "sound teaching of the Bible" but with little power and little miraculous fruit.Both approaches I would call the twin sides of the second level.
So to recap:Firstlevellers, by dint of continuing in the faith, continuing in prayer, continuing in the Word, continuing with the ups and downs of fellowship life, may well after decades and decades ...if they don't duck out... find themselves twinkling.
Secondlevellers will experience a baptism in the Holy Spirit, be introduced to the reality that Christianity is in fact supernatural in manifestation, be then driven back into a hunger for the Word, and a fresh hunger to experience fellowship together with other Christians, but this time at this new supernatural level . The growth arc will probably be shorter than in the first case. But if our experiences in the UK are anything to go by, we are still talking somewhere between 1 and 3 decades even moving pretty quickly before anyone even approaches twinkler status. And again there is absolutely no certainty that people will press right through. For this reason Paul writes "Do not harden your hearts as the Israelites did in the days of rebellion in the wilderness."
Firstlevellers know how to get others into a born again experience.
Secondlevellers get people born again and baptized in the Spirit. As I have mentioned before, in the year of 1972, at the age of around 14(Christine is one year younger), both she and I in our respective areas of the UK were doing all this. Now this for many fellowships would mean we had arrived. Well, here we are at age 50, and we still haven't. Because you see there is a 3rd level of growth.Without a vision, the people perish. Without even a sketchy understanding that there are 3 distinct growth stages, people all over the world in the Body of Christ are floundering around. You've got people like Amy, (see Amy's blog) who have probably been compliant for years in their church system...thinking that that would amount to something, confusing 2nd level churches with the raw real deal of the anointed Living Body of Christ. Ofcourse in parts it is....but the 2nd level stuff contains other ingredients as dangerous and poisonous as the worst plant foods that you could ingest.So Youth With A Mission, Rheinhardt Bonnke, David Hathaway, Morris CerulloAlso New Frontiers, and all the other 70s and 80s like networks, be it under Terry Virgo, Alan Vincent, Gerald Coates,Barney Coombs and so on and so on....are all (probably unwittingly and out of anxiety to get the job done) doing the Body of Christ a huge disservice....Why?Because they are calling the 2nd level a mature ministry and as the world instinctively knows...it isn't.
Because they are not raising the people's sights and expectations to believe that Jesus is faithful to complete the work in us to make us fit and able fathers who reproduce after our kind.We either believe in the power of His Word to raise us up as fit ministers ....or we don't. And if we don't, we help God along a little with more programmes, and training procedures and conferences.....
when what people need to understand is
How Genesis 3:5 works
How Jesus came to destroy all the works of the Evil One
How He came to lay the axe to the root.

What root? The religious system? The 2-bit secondlevel structures the grace-bloggers are railing against? Terry Virgo? Nope Nope Nope The axe is laid against us? Every flipping last second of the day we are not living from the reality of what the Cross has won for us. We don't need to go around looking for others to single out.Every little second we catch ourselves living the Genesis 3:5 "Just independent me"lie...we needDan Bowen, Amy, Sheila, Lydia Joy,Matt Daelon,Jamie,Leonard...to prophesy back to us..."Hey you...you are now Christ you...you have no separate existence...to believe that is to fall back into sin again, and to give life again to something that since the Cross can never have life again...the old Adamic hubris life of the devil himself lived through mankind.The people I have listed as Missions and New churches above...the YWAMs etc they need to be preaching according to the models in scripture. And I have never, I repeat never, heard anyone of them preach according to these lines.

Model 1. Jesus For 30 whole years He did nothing apart from grow in the understanding of how life works. He grew in knowledge and wisdom. Carpentry. Just learning to believe who He was. By faith. No flash stuff.Then was baptised in water and the Holy Spirit. Had the quickest 2nd level in history in the testing in the wilderness. That's because his personal foundation in God as a normal person for 30 years meant He could skip most of what we've had to go through in the 2nd level. Then straight afterwards He began to operate in the 3rd level. Two fold: Declaring War on the Devil in the territory allotted Him by the Father:Israel. Secondly: to raise up father ministries like Himself in just 3 years. All this while also preaching and teaching the Kingdom to 1. outsiders 2.believers and closer disciples and 3. the 12 apostles to be.

Model 2: The 12 apostles They were Jews. They understood the 1st level basics. That God is sovereign. That we give our life over to Him, expressed first in water baptism. That He alone can forgive our sins and make us new. They entered into an early prototype 2nd level, where although not knowing a born again experience yet, nor a complete baptism in the Spirit....from pretty early on they were sent out to chase the devil off God's Earth with power to heal,deliver and forgive sins.This shows us that at one level Morris Cerullo, Terry Virgo,YWAM and all are correct. As long as there is at least one 3rd level ministry...not everyone needs to be a 3rdleveller before embarking on mission trips.(There was only one Graham Pulkingham , but many in the Fisherfolk team for example)It shows us also, as we found on 6th April 1972, and again in Lakeland Florida this yearThe Power of the Baptism in the Spirit is put in context: as a tool for preaching the GospelThis is absolutely Terry Virgo and Morris Cerullo territory. And is accurate.Secondly, if you want people to grow fast...you expose them from early on in doing the work of the Kingdom with power. Even if that carries a high risk tag...as we saw with Todd Bentley. I am so glad that Jesus - knowing all about how sinful I was - still allowed me to lay hands on folks at 14 and get them filled with the Holy Spirit.Jesus came at the disciples with love, but also slicing stuff off them with His prophetic use of the Word...such that in only 3 super intense years they were ready to launch the Kindom for real at Pentecost. But as I've taken time to point out again and again in these posts, in Acts 2, they'd already gone through their 2nd level...which almost left them totally devastated...so when the Spirit came in power, they were 3rd Levellers....fit and able to father the first ever church at Jerusalem.All ministries that I have grown up with are totally wrong in equating our entrance Baptism in the Spirit with Acts 2.Morris Cerullo is wrong if he implies that at the end of one of his Schools of Ministry, as wonderful and life transforming as they are.....if he equates that with what the disciples were put through over a 3 year period. Rheinhardt Bonnke is wrong. You can't quite level the same at New Frontiers....in fact if anything they are too slow by Jesus standards....or they again call maturity what is not maturity....not like Acts 2 at any rate.

Model 3. Paul As one untimely born. Filled with the Spirit from the word go. But NOT given Holy Spirit wings to then go off straight away and turn the world upside down. (Morris Cerullo take note)Praise God that everyone hated him, or was cautious about him. He might be converted, but he'd been responsible for many deaths...one was specifically named: Stephen, the martyr. So there was no way he was going straight out on the road. Norman says Paul spent 3 years in Arabia. Gene Edwards says he spent several years in the Antioch church. Two things happened. He received from heaven during this period his gospel. Everyone has to have their own gospel.Divine revelation from Jesus Himself. It's not so we all start our individual cults. There is only one Jesus. And only one gospel. But Jesus has to make it our gospel. He has to write it in us. So we become living letters read by men.After 36 years I have a gospel. As we start preaching the stuff that is actually in the New Testament , and not the 2 level stuff we've been preaching for years...there is no reason why we cannot (in Jesus) raise up local bodies that grow believers in similar time periods to Jesus. In fact we have something that Jesus never had: we have the Holy Ghost Growing Machine - The Body of Christ . So this was the second thing that happened to Paul : that which was now in him was being worked out and recognised by this early example of a Gentile Church. This Jesus will make Himself known to others in our surroundings through us. Our gifting will be perceived.

As we look out at many weary faces who have been faithfully attending charismatic churches now for 30 or 40 years....it is sad to now say, there is in fact no reason why it had to take this long. The good side of our history is that the Terry Virgos, the Gerald Coates rushed in to fill the vacancies to provide good, solid, faithful and sacrificial leadership. Listen, Terry actually came to minister to us in Amersham instead of being present at the birth of one of his children. People only get born once!!! How sacrificial was that!

On the bad side, virtually the entire leadership in our country never knew that a 3rd level existed, let alone how to minister it. So ofcourse as they hit us with verses from John 15-17 about bearing fruit, and unity, and as we all sink in condemnation, because largely these things are not so in our networks...........little did we know that none of these things are really possible til we hit the motherlode of the 3rd level. Think how disastrous the disciples were in their 1st three training years. Forget unity. Forget pure fruit. They were arguing who was the greatest. Who's DA BISHOP!

In this post I have not even covered the question of Bible Schools. The writing of Jesus gospel inside us so we become Living letters is such a profound work....that without a proper release of the Spirit can take a whole 7 decades as I began saying. There is no possible way apart from a wave of Holy Spirit Revival Power,Revelation, and supernatural deliverance , (which by the way, on many occasions has swept through Ed Miller's Bible schools)....ordinarily there is no way on God's earth that a Bible school be kitted out with what it takes to move a man or woman out of the deep deep delusions of selfhood into the 3rd level in the 2 or 3 years usually allotted for the task.
I believe, as a fulfilment of what Jean Darnall, and Harry Greenwood, and other renowned prophets prophesied into Emsworth, I believe I was a part of a prototype wave of ministry training as God will refine and hone in the future. I believe the Bible House model of training which came through Ed Miller and then Jorge Pradas, are much closer to the biblical model. Where everyone leaves everything to come together to:
seek God together
learn what it is to live and work as the Body of Christ together
to be dealt with at a very deep level

and to teach also the things it was not good at:
teaching us to minister in Power together as teams
teaching us Norman Grubb's insights as to the true nature of the human condition in Genesis
teaching us what it means to walk as Christ in our individual forms
and at this level of insight -how to live together in love and the Presence of God

So what is the difference between that and a monastery or nunnery?
It's more dynamic,prophetic. People come together until a specific work has been established amongst them. Like Paul and Barnabus they are recognised in ministry, called out by God, separated for specific tasks. It's all the things New Frontiers wanted to be, but never had the tools for. It's organic. Our Bible House began around a house church in new Brighton Rd Emsworth, but moved into 20 acres of property as the church vision grew. It's less programme based...more based around the expanding Word and gifting of some rather dead individuals.
That is , individuals who have so caught this thing about being dead in Christ, they themselves are the programme!!! Like Mother Basilea Schlink, Graham Pulkingham, Richard Wurmbrandt,Watchman Nee,Witness Lee....every time they open their mouth they cause irreparable damage to people's insides!!!
In short they have become Twinklers of the First order!