Saturday, 23 August 2014
Sandy Halverson shares a verse on Unity
Sandy Halverson
Let them all be one. Just as you, Father are in union with Me and I am with you, let them be in union with us..
John 17:21
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Chris Welch In the 1970s the Holy Spirit was saying Unity Big Time. We sang songs as Jesus People. Jimmy and Carol Owens toured with Come Together.
Newbies like us who had come straight out of the denominations were deeply deeply moved by the love of God shed abroad in the gatherings. On a corporate level it was similar to a couple falling in love. We were SURE it would work. We bet our lives on it. After seeing Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk living together as community plus all the new revelation on the Body of Christ....we left universities....our towns ...even our countries. Some joined YWAM. I joined an Argentinian based network here in the UK. We even lived through the Argentine - UK war together.
It all looked so round the corner !!!
But nobody....bar an aging leader here or there knew that there was three levels of growth in Christianity. We were all convinced there were about one or two.....so when it didn't work....or appear to work....the landscape is now littered with burned out charismatics from that era.
Some really abused ones who suffered enormously in the Mark 1 versions of "Headship and submission".
Well in our church, a number of us became piano tuners.
What's so good about that?
I'll tell you what's so good about it.
There are physical laws. There are tricks of the trade, whereby every single day of our lives we face totally wonky pianos....totally honky tonk....and we regard it as totally matter of fact that we can tune them....the very worst ones in only 2hours or even 1 and a half hours.
We are NOT burned out at the end of the day. Tired maybe. But not burned out. We don't grow cynical saying that pianos can never be tuned. We don't leave pianos in a condition so that people can only play in Csharp minor so they can only play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and not some Concerto in D major. When we leave them they play in every key. They also play anything from Frere Jacques to Elton John.
Tuners don't get proud thinking how wonderful they are for being able to do this....anymore than Wendy Adams Evans husband thinks how brilliant he is that he can drive a train to London and back.
It is absolutely normal.
And so it is too in the Body of Christ....
IN THE THIRD LEVEL.
While we are still hardwired to leftbrain living...to living according to the flesh...having not yet trained our senses according to righteousness....it's bloomin well impossible....
But the third level Word spoken in John 6 and then again from John 13-17 produces Acts 2 results....
AND AS PETER BEGAN TO SPEAK ALL THE OTHER 11 STOOD WITH HIM
Saturday, 28 December 2013
Covenant, Unity and Nehemiah 8
This post is a copy of a letter today to friends who were/are a part of a Facebook thread.
Friends
One of the greatest things about Jesus is He is real.
But another thing about Jesus is He doesn't impose.
Nancy will know this, but to our generation schooled on church life, the thought that you can actually "go outside" church AND STILL SURVIVE is soooooo major!
Like the old Middle Age maps with "Beyond here there be dragons" we were all taught that no Christian can survive without fellowship...that we are absolutely sure of going off the rails if we left the "covering " of the church.
Man....this was real for us....
until we came to our Chapter 5 of Song of Solomon point where the watchmen that had been so nice and friendly before....start ripping at our Shulammite dresses and leaving us more or less starkers in the town square.
And guess what? A lot of us have been out of church for years. And we're still breathing. Many of us have actually grown more and faster than at any other point of our Christian life. But only because we found the same foundation for living that St Paul did in Arabia.....errrr presumably while learning how to knit marquees for a living!!!
Only perhaps not all have the same foundation quite...only you can answer that one.
You see it's not only grabbing Christ as you in your form...
St Paul also at least twice we know of, and maybe quite often besides...had experiences with the Living Jesus as He is NOW in the heavenlies.
What I like about Daniel Yordy's writing and really what I was trying to capture in the Hindhead Tunnel post is that we are tunneling at both ends simultaneously. John 17 is real NOW. I am in God and God is in me. I am in His Kingdom and the Kingdom is in me.
As the old song from Pentecostalism said
the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in My Lord and I am complete in Him.
When we say like the disciples....the Kingdom of heaven is at hand...we mean it.
The throne of God expresses itself through me, and yet simultaneously I am in the Throne of God in Jesus in the heavenlies.
My life is hid with Christ in God.
As long as our believing is active....and really for that read...as long as we are saying to God inwardly like Mary....Be it unto me according to your Word....and
allowing for the faith of the Son of God to do His stuff live and active inside of us...
This One Person is doing more or less the same stuff simultaneously through all of us here....yet marvellously in its individuality and context of each of our unique parts to play in this life and in the one to come. Quite how that can be so....is simply amazing.
So here is the great truth that God wants to share in the square in Nehemiah 8.
Nehemiah is already the return from Babylon, and people came in waves.
Why is so much of the gospel to do with "return"?
In returning and rest shall you be saved. In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.
Ok so what if we blow it?
In returning and rest shall you be saved etc......
Getting the picture?
It's more than a "built in" tag on to salvation.
From Adam being called for in the garden...."hey Adam....where are you you?" and being coaxed out of hiding, and having his figleaves removed, and being clothed instead with skins of an animal who had given its life....
right through every return procedure down the ages.
Naaman's cure for leprosy was ALL ABOUT RETURN....returning 7 times into the Jordan....and for 6 of them NOTHING OUTWARDLY changed.
What does that tell you about God manifesting in sons?
Something like there are 7 distinct stages to sorting us out and 6 of them are completely unseen!!!! And the devil leverages the unseen-ness to tell us "see, this gospel never does anything at all"
But another thing returning is about is willingness. A voluntary selfgiving....WHEN WE WANT. Romans 12 1-2 comes at the end of a mighty mighty exchange. If we are not sure of the product benefits, then we don't lay our lives down....simple as that.
It's a FREEWILL OFFERING in Psalm 110. God is not interested in anything else.
So If Nehemiah 1 to 7 is about returning, and each returning is connected with God erecting Gates and Walls that all have specific names...
Gathering in chapter 8 in the central square is about the finished work that God has done so far....
And it's so goood...ofcourse we gather and cut Covenant with the Word together.
What was Adam and Eve's feelings about returning before God called out for Adam?
Hiding away, plastered with figleaves.
None of us can believe honestly ahead of time in the plans of God. We are all like the man that buried his talent for fear that his master was a "hard master"...."demanding stuff with interest".
We'd prefer to bury everything in the ground and at least we'll be able to offer that.
God believes in returns with interest so much...instead of making too much of the resurrection, He calls His Son home to transplant the same resurrection into thousands of us.
I'm rambling...but this really is the background to what I want to say about unity.
For four years we have scattered seed on the net, and there has been fruit, and people have caught hold of new stuff they have never heard before. But have you also noticed there are some humongous divisions of belief, schisms and cliques?
Have you also noticed that screes of writing later there still are the same groups and separate forums and belief systems.
Here is something wonderful.
Jesus said
where two or three gather in My Name there am I in their midst.
Those two or three cease to be any human forum
any club
any belief system
they are a group visited instead by the One Lord Jesus Christ.
And when even larger groups gather, if they too are serious about God, this same Jesus Christ is among them....but by now we have more like 12 tribes worth of people represented. And each group type/interest type/personality type can begin to see themselves mirrored properly in Jesus Christ
BUT IN RELATION TO EVERY OTHER TRIBE
who is also so mirrored.
So unlike Facebook where Ken Dahl can hold court over a particular set of preterist beliefs for literally years on end, and never really be challenged.....OK people like me attempt it....but all he hears is "just another idea"
but in the collective gathering of the saints, all mirroring Jesus correctly, this Jesus who comes in Person to join the gathering...
Ken Dahl's lesser theories
Darin Hufford's lesser theories
Chris Welch's lesser theories
Nancy Gilmore's lesser theories
etc etc
all vanish like mist before the actual Presence of the Living God.
How fast?
Ooooh, unlike on the net, where it all goes on for years and years, and offline on high streets it goes on for 100s of years unchallenged...
but in the Presence of the actual Jesus Christ
I would say ...approximately 20 minutes...that's all.
Pianos go on for years with strings that slacken approximately up to 3 or 4 semitones, beyond which they rarely fall.
And there they sit for decades possibly in houses or old halls.
Until a tuner comes.
The most it ever takes is 90 minutes....usually 45-50.
Are any of you hearing in the Spirit what I am saying about the prophetic significance of Nehemiah 8? The gathering in the square. Cutting covenant.
But it's based on proper GATES and WALLS.
And one of which is the INSPECTION GATE.
Spirit discernment IS IN THE BODY.
Spirit discernment is in your spirit.
Jesus in you knows what isn't Jesus in you.
A priesthood learning what the Melchizedek order is. Schooled and trained in Psalm 123 , looking unto the smallest move of the eyes of the Master, as a servant does....knows now what a SINGLE EYE IS.
Knows what is God going on.
Has trained their senses according to righteousness.
Can you think of anything more sinister than an inspection Gate patrolled by Nazis, or Russian Communists, or worse still Ofsted Inspectors? Supposing Job's friends were in the Inspection Gate? They tried to be. We have 35 odd chapters of their inspecting.
Third Level Gatherings are not like that. Why? Because Truth just isn't the hazy thing that Lucifer has been teaching the world it is. But at the Good end of his Tree...it isn't a black and white leftbrain construction of Good either. That also is the devil. But that's another post.
Here's the fantastic thing about piano tuning and also about the Body of Christ...and natural bodies. There's no hazy truth.
- A piano is perfectly in tune when you can play in all 12 keys equally. Strings are in tune when the sympathy between the strings has additional force. The sum is greater than the parts!!!
- The Body of Christ is in tune when it can hear /see the Melchizedek order and act in alignment.
- A natural body has a complete homeostatic system to regulate every single aspect of right functioning.
In the Old Testament, the big difference is the people were addressed by one man in Chapter 8....Ezra the scribe.
Now, God is teaching His Body to move as One. Guess certain ones will lead as God indicates, and present their twopennarth....but really by now it should be the whole Body knowing how to plug into the frequency of the Melchizedek Order.
"Doing only what they see the Father doing".
There are two trainings.
1/ Walking daily Christ as us
2/ In gatherings as everyone is moved by the Spirit in particular
So hang onto your seatbelts!
Just as a piano can sit for years until a tuner with the right equipment comes along and in minutes does what nobody else has done for decades....
So the Spirit is well able to achieve in terms of unity when the right equipment and systems are in place....what pastors and wrong structures operating in fleshly wisdom have been unable to accomplish for two thousand years.
Wednesday, 16 November 2011
The Truth about Jesus - Oghenakheranimoh Seann Enigimi-Julius
okay so here is the truth about Jesus that i have come to learn recently. Jesus isnt our mentor, no the Bible says in Colossians 3 v 3 and that our life is hid with Christ in God and let me not go back to telling us that that isnt our doing but God. That is, we didnt do anything to hide our lives with Christ in God no the Bible says repeatedly that concerning us and who we have become "All things are of God" eg 2 corinthians 5 v 18 and 1 corinthians 1 v 30...God did it for us. Yes so Jesus is our life source...Colossians 1 calls him the one from whom we originated...John 1 v 1-5 supports this claim...
Jesus is more than one that we should be like. I wrote a song 3 weeks ago, a little bit crappy but i love what it says and i think I've heard it before that Jesus is the truth about us. We were place and found in Jesus ever befre we were lost in Adam. Jesus is much more to us than a distant saviour we have to believe in to be saved or sons or God and get connected to others called the church and preay and hear the word on sundays and all. No, Jesus is the trutha bout us. We are intricately wired with him and thru him and for him...see Acts 17 v 28...this also blew my erstwhile carnal mind that Paul speaking and called men who were worshipping idols sons of God...every Pastor needs to see this really!
Jesus is the truth about us.He is our perfect representation and we are all in him. Paul said in 2 corinthians 5 v 14 that when he died we were all dead. Jesus is us all (Colossians 3 v 11). In verse 16 of 2 corinthians 5, it tells us that Jesus was more than a man, no he was us all. When he walked the earth we were living our genesis life in him, thats why he healed as he was the progenitor of man's life. His purpose for coming was more than to show us the way. No its was to live our life for us the way it was to be lived from the beginning. I love Jesus not cos its a commandment but cos i see myself in him. This is what 2 corinthians 5 v 17 says, it didnt just say "all things have become new" it says to "behold all things have become new". why? Our lives change when we begin to see Jesus as more than one man but someone that we are all included in...our source and life...he said "if any man is in christ Jesus he is a new creation and all men are in Christ Jesus cos he died for all...
Hope ure are not tired of reading cos its just getting better. What then is the gospel? the gospel isnt some very unconnected story to us that we gotta believe in to be sons of God or to be saved ( do i see eye brows raised?) yes, the gospel is what happened to you...Yes, what happened to you. It is a message about you. It tells you about your life, what happened to you unknown to you. Glory! That gives you its power. That it is real even before we believe it. James said that hearing the word which is the gospel is akin to seeing your face in the mirror. the mirror doesnt show us our potential. No, it shows us our real selves, well as far as bodies or the physical goes cos we are much more than we can see in the mirror.
John 1 v 12, i battled with this scripture in light of our inclusion in all he did but here's what ive found out. as many as received him (who is him? the truth about themselves) to them gave he the power...its not as though he made only these sons of God cos i said in my first note that we do not believe or receive unto sonship, no we are born sons by our parents so it wasnt saying he made only those who received sons. So what was he saying then? those who received this truth were empowered by the truth to live as sons of God that they were...who are sons of God? verse 13 answered it...sosn of God are born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God....God gave birth to us all...so verse 12 was talking about those who grasped that they were more than mere men cos they originated from God and this is the truth about us all...
An analogy came to me today, when we look in the mirror and see someone other than ourselves we are not free to be ourselves, it spurs or inspires evil works and sins of all types...this gets better as you can sense. how many of us can remember the cartoon "Snow white", the witch therein that said "mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all?" She then saw snow white and then she set out to kill her...not seeing ourselves in the morror of the gospel inspires us to live under a false not God-given identity where we try to do to be (law and the law brings knowledge of sin and death) but if she the witch had seen herself in the mirror, she would have been free to be herself and carry a good opinion of herself which would have led to good works but then again, she is a witch so what should we expect from a witch, lol.
the truth we hear about us, empowers our God given nature to be experienced...we dont believe to be...we are so we believe...hence, the gospel we hear should reveal who we have become not who we should be. when we see that, our actions would line up with who we see that we are. Eg wearing a white suit i wouldnt wanna get it dirty repairing your car no matter how much you pay me, except its worth my while lol...Just kidding but you catch my drip. The truth we hear empowers us to be ourselves and really the truth we hear really is empowered by what we already are. That is, its cos we already are that hearing that we are empowers us to be.
i really hope that i have confused anyone cos i said a lot. it was fresher than this on my way to work but i had to get settled to type it. please pardon its somehowness. Jesus is much more than news about mankind that we cant touch...no, he is all that is, was and is to come for us all mankind.
Chris Welch You got it bro.The bit about "seeing someone else in the mirror", gets you onto Rich Novek and Fred Pruitt and Cindi Estep who all talk about seeing One Thing....as soon as we see two...or more....we're back to our original troubles. The other thing i'd say as a piano tuner...is if we are seeing the One...this is like tuning my first string exactly exactly to Jesus. I cannot tell you how exactly you have to tune if you are a piano tuner. You tune an A note to 440 beats per second. Not 441. Not 439. God has blessed our creation so that when you play two notes together , one at 440, one at 439...you will hear the difference. 1 beat vibrating slowly over the duration of a second. I am so glad i do not have to count 440 individual beats persecond.
In the same way when you put loads of "mirror watchers" who are seeing "mostly" only Jesus.....the things that are not quite Jesus show up pretty quickly. And this is the genius behind Body Living, or as John puts it "Walking in the Light".
OK...so how come if I walk into a normal church that it doesn't help me. This again is very simple to answer according to piano tuning. Normal (abnormal) churches are NOT tuned to Jesus Christ.
They are tuned to Jesus Plus Tithing.
Jesus Plus One man Pastor.
Jesus plus the Song List.
Jesus plus Hillsongs
Jesus plus the Mass
Jesus Plus the correct clothes
Jesus plus the Thursday night Bible Study
Jesus plus one particular Apostolic Network
Psalm 19 says "Day to Day pours forth speech...." This is what we tune to. Not "plus " anything. Churches that are founded on seeing God only....and I haven't yet met one...begin by having a series of individuals training themselves in the Holy Spirit to believe in the authenticity which God originally planned.....Looking in the mirror and seeing only Jesus in your "vessel format". As soon as a bunch of people , like the disciples, can be established in this way of walking in the Spirit....when we meet as "ekklesia" we will behave much more like we see in the New Testament.
There are two main types of churches of people who are born again.
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Saturday, 18 June 2011
Carol Lucas Winkler,Bill Johnson, and Ryan Rhoades,but also much more
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| Carol, not entirely recently |
have been healed, by the Lord, many times in my life. I am endeavoring to walk in Divine health, at this moment in my life. I was diagnosed with an incurable disease as a young woman. I was told I had to have my colon removed, and a bag placed on my side. I asked for a second opinion, and a second test. The same results came back. I remember how fear tried to take over. I couldn't see myself living like that. I had been with my brother, and sister, in the past, and we had laid our hands on my dad's arm that had huge blood clots in it. The doctors had tried everything to get rid of them to no avail. We were young in the Lord, and had no problem believing that those things had to leave if we commanded them to leave, in Jesus name. When we did this, they left immediately. When fear was gripping my heart and mind, over the thought of having my colon removed, the memories of my dad's healing helped me.I decided not to have the surgery, but to trust God for my healing. I left the hospital and for the next couple weeks I had severe pain. When the pain would act up i would speak to my colon and tell it to line up with the word of God, that said I was healed. I spoke to the pain and commanded it to leave my body in Jesus name. I knew that faith was the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence unseen. So I wouldn't let what I felt move me. Was it easy? No, but it was worth it. After two weeks every symptom of that disease was gone.
From that time on, I knew God could and would heal anything. I also knew he had given us authority over sickness and disease in his name. Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning. As soon as I heard these words, this just flung out of my mouth, "He shall not die, but he shall live, and declare the works of the Lord." I know, now, that happened because I had been feeding on the word of God. The bible says whatever is the fullest in your mind will, (in the greek) fling out of your mouth, and will decide your future...what will happen in your life. If I had been feeding mainly on movies, God only knows what I might have said.
Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning
But those words came out in faith. It wasn't because I was super spiritual...it was because i spent alot of time in the bible, feeding on the good news. Healing, deliverances, protection, provision, etc. My son did live, and he grew up to be a preacher and to declare the works of the Lord.. Thank God!
I had an older sister, who was diagnosed with Optic Neuritis. She couldn't even see to change her baby's diaper. But we knew, by then, that it was God's will for us to be whole, and healthy. We laid our hands on her eyes and commanded Optic Neuritis to leave. It did. The specialist knew she had been healed, but he wanted her to keep appointments for awhile to be sure. She just told him she was healed, forever of that disease, and wouldn't be needing his services any longer.
My husband had been running around ...480 blood sugar level Diabetes. Now, he had never really took authority over any sickness before, but this time he decided he didn't want to live with Diabetes. It was simple...he spoke to Diabetes, by name, and commanded it to leave in Jesus name. His blood sugar level dropped within a day or two. His sugar level was starting to drop too low, because he was still on medicine. We made a doctor's appointment before he went off the medicine, (some medicines have to be removed gradually..). The doctor and nurse could not believe he was healed, so they had him take his level twice a day, without medicine, for a month. It has been over two months now...and his level is still that of a person without Diabetes. Why? He doesn't have it anymore, praise God! The doctor just keeps saying he doesn't understand. We do. Why are some healed, and some people aren't healed? I don't have all the answers, but i do know if we spend time in the bible, our faith rises and we are able to believe.
If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church. "As he was teaching, the power of God was present to heal." This scripture was talking about Jesus. But it also pertains to any church. If the pastor preaches on healing, the power of God will be present to heal.
Sometimes, after a person is healed, that same thing will try to come back. It is no big deal...you just tell it you are not falling for it again, and to be gone in Jesus name. If we only realized we have the same Spirit of God in us, that was in Jesus. We have been given authority over all the power of the enemy...if we don't know this, the devil can run over us.
If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church.
If you don't believe sickness is from the devil, think about all the times Jesus rebuked spirits of disease and infirmity. He said the woman who was bowed over has been bound by satan all those years. Sometimes sickness is just a result of living in this world. Whatever is behind it, we have authority over it. Some churches won't teach on healing because they are afraid if they try it, it may not work for everyone. I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it. If we make a few mistakes along the way, or if someone's faith doesn't receive, do we throw out the promises of healing? No, we keep at it , just like Jesus did. Remember, in the one city, he couldn't do many mighty works? Notice, it didn't say he wouldn't, it says he couldn't. Why? The bible says it was because of their unbelief. So if Jesus went through this, just arm yourself to the fact that it may happen...someone just may not believe. But there will be many who will come from far and near to be healed, just like in the days of Jesus. A huge part of his ministry was healing.
A lot of churches are neglecting their people's needs. I could go on and on and on, with healing testimonies. I have seen so many, and one of them is my daughter. She had a disease that was destroying all of her internal organs. From a young girl, until last year, she had undergone 17 surgeries and just got worse...kind of like the woman with the issue of blood. That woman had spent all she had on doctors, but just got worse. My daughter is a walking miracle. She is healed. Thank God! One other thing she had been suffering with, was a bulging disk in her neck. It had been very painful. When my daughter decided to receive her healing, she included the disk. She was healed immediately, except for the disk. The pain tried to hold on....but she would just speak to the pain, in Jesus name, and tell it to leave, because it had no right to be in a healed body. This was last year...she is totally healed! I believe God wants everyone well. He is not a respecter of persons. It has nothing to do with how good we are...it is free. All we have to do is receive it. If you need to be healed, get into the bible and spend time on all the healing scriptures, and the stories of all those who were healed. Most of the time Jesus said, "As your faith is, so be it unto you." Every person has been given the measure of faith, but this world has so many things to get caught up with. To keep our faith working, we have to keep our minds renewed with God's word. I hope this may have helped someone who needs to be healed. Don't be afraid.;.only believe.
I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it.
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Carol Lucas Winkler
Walking in divine health, is when we don't keep having to get healed, over and over...it is a place where we remain healed. When a symptom comes knocking at our door, we just take our authority and command it to leave, before it can take a foothold in our bodies. Divine health...I like that! Thank you Lord!
(KJV)Matthew 9:22
But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
(KJV)Luke 13:16
And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
(KJV)Luke 5:17
And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
(KJV)Luke 9:1-2
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. [2] And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
(KJV)Mark 6:5-6
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them . [6] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
(KJV)Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Chris, this is just a little advice out of love. Try the spirits whether they be of God. Always see what the Holy Spirit did in the New Testament. If something seems too wierd or bizarre or if it doesn't edify the church...beware. There are evil spirits that mimic God's Spirit. I love the move of the Holy Spirit...I have seen many healings and joy. I have also seen very bizarre things that were evil spirits. You will know...if you know God's word. Anything that goes off far to the right or left...be careful. I believe God is using you and you have a desire for the move of God. Whenever the bible is put away for the move of the Spirit only...you have a problem. Healing follows the preaching of the word. Praying for God's will and wisdom for your church...and praying you will see many many healings! God bless you Chris...i know he will! One more thing...get your truth from God alone. It is good having teachers, but it is absolutely necessary for you to receive your own revelations from God alone. I found this out, years ago, when i was following a minister's teaching. After I started really seeking to know God and truth, the Lord opened my eyes to things that were totally opposite to what that minister was teaching. He has good plans for you..
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Chris writes: this really began yesterday on Facebook here:
Paul Noble
is a bit fed up that so many friends and people around are battling with the destructive disease of cancer. I HATE cancer - God when are we going to see some miracles in this area! Psalm 103 says he heals of us of ALL our diseases - that includes cancer.
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Chris Welch John G Lake's background were that 5, yes 5, members of his own family died right around him, and the same was about to happen with his wife....and he said to this fatalist Methodist vicar.....NO! I won't let it......and that was the birth of his ministry. Kafka wrote...Truth is seen in the grimace on the face of a retreating lie.Light swallows up darkness...but first there is darkness.
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Andre Rabe provided 2 different YouTube links as examples of two different angles, one by Bill Johnson, and one by Ryan Rhoades. This material is below with a transcript of some of Bill's words.
This is extremely relevant because I am in such a church. That is to say Havant wouldn't even receive some of Paul and Fran Noble's teaching on healing derived largely from Andrew Wommack, 6 or 7 years ago, and Paul felt frozen out in that endearing way that Havant do things. I also have experienced the same thing, so I am starting to see clearly how they do it. But, with Havant, things are not necessarily terminal, they just like going at their own sweet pace and eventually they tag along. They were exactly the same with praise and worship, refusing to tread the path that Emsworth were pioneering at the time 30 years ago. It may just be that Havant church just has the character of some of the tribes of Israel, they like to see Judah go ahead, and several years later, if it appears safe, they eventually go the same way. This was actually what the tribes returning to Israel from captivity were like. Not everybody came in the first wave. For me, I find this way of operating scary, because I am too aware of Kadesh Barnea moments, when God closes the door to one generation and we wait another 40 years to do what we could have done after only 11 days journey! (The time it really takes to cross the desert from Egypt to Israel...as written in the Bible). I don't like halfhearted, nicey,nicey, when we feel like it obedience. It can be the sweet smiley face of strong-willed rebellion.
But nevertheless, I'm not altogether with Andre,Francois Du Toit,Nancy Gilmore and many others in discounting impartation although, without exception it freaks me out how woolly some of these "impartation situations" are. What I think we're heading for is a people who know they are anointed, but that anointing comes from the Son who is living in them as them. Sadly the "imparting" generation of Morris Cerullo, Bill Johnson, Che Ahn are so so so so woolly in their theology, and I can understand it driving Ryan Rhoades and Andre Rabe nuts.
But blog readers should be aware of this.
1/Rheinhard Bonnke was doing some London visiting on his way home with no other thought when he came across George Jeffreys Revivalist plaque on his London home. Rheinhard had no idea the guy was still alive and certainly did not expect the frail sick ailing man to pray one last prayer. Well it was a bit more than that. It involved every last strength of this man's body, imparting the Holy Spirit in revival power to the young Rheinhard. Yes Jesus could have done it direct. Yes, the anointing that Jesus has rested already in Rheinhard's spirit...but this is what happened and Rheinhard returned to Germany. He was hardly back and he learned of the death of George Jeffrey, almost like God had told him to hang on for this Melchizedek rendez vous.
2/The next example is Barbara Rogerson who at the time I knew her was virtually anti healing and all for"Christ as me in my form"...well you can read what happened to her in this blogpost.
3/Finally you should know, what you are reading here, namely my blog, only really materialised in this form just weeks after Rheinhard Bonnke prayed for me in London, as he anointed all 2000 of us in the hall. The material here would freak his generation out....but nevertheless, he , you could say, has had a hand (literally speaking) in what you're reading.
So...no....I don't agree about all the negative that is said about impartation. But if you get loads of people who still walk in the independent self delusion, trotting around "imparting"....guess what spirit they will be imparting? So...yup...I can really understand people getting freaked out by what is going on.
This blog is a new generation of material. It is Spirit and Life. It is Word and Spirit. It is Spirit underlined by Word. But it is Word that needs underlining by Spirit. That means if there is real stuff going on here, signs will follow after the content of this blog...even if at first it is only personal growth, and greater clarity of vision. If not, this project is a waste of both our times.
Bill Johnson: Healings happen all the time. It’s normal.
700 Club: You say it’s happening all the time. If somebody’s watching just now what would you say to them? How can they have what you have?
BJ: You’ve got to passionately pursue God in the secret place. You have to have PRIVATE VICTORIES....so you can have PUBLIC VICTORIES. You have to have private times of triumph so that it gets displayed publicly. David fought the lion and the bear when no one was watching and God was able to trust him to kill Goliath when everyone was watching.So you’ve got to have those private times, in public you take a risk. But also it’s a big deal to associate yourself with people who are getting breakthrough....because there is something transferable in that environment. If you want to learn how to kill giants, hang around with a giant killer. Because the other giants that were killed in the Bible were all men that worked with David. Going on trips with Randy Clark to Brazil where miracles happen in their thousand, starts doing things to your mindset. You know your mind is being renewed when the impossible looks logical. Some people get upset when folk go to lots of healing conferences and tell them we’re not supposed to follow miracles. Well I tell folk, follow miracles until they follow you. Until they effect how you do life.
700: How do you become anchored in that?
BJ : When you live with no options. You don’t have plan B. You see I live in debt...I am obligated to bring fruit of the impossible to God. He has put the Spirit of the living Christ who raised Jesus from the dead in me...and He expects us to conquer something. When you have no other option than to pleas Him, then miracles are normal.
From the contact page of www.revivalorriots.org
This is the website for Ryan and Laura Rhoades. We left everything to follow God and moved to California to bring a message of uncompromising perseverance, boldness, and citywide transformation with us everywhere that we go. We drove across the country from New York to California in a 1992 Oldsmobile 88 Royale…and wow was it an adventure!
We decided to start a website to chronicle the journey that God is taking us on as we travel the world to spread His Good News!
We chose “Revival or Riots” as the name of our “ministry” based on Acts 17:6 — “…these who have turned the world upside down have come here as well!” There were two things that happened when Jesus and His early followers preached His Word with the accompanying Power of God—revival, or riots. Sometimes both!
We feel that there is something drastically missing in the church today–and much of that comes from a lack of understanding who we really are in Christ and the Power that is resident and alive within us just waiting to be released through acts of faith in Jesus and the Power of His great Name!
So we welcome you to our website and encourage you to browse around, comment, e-mail us, etc. as we bring you thoughts from the road, the journey we are on, and the lessons we are learning, bringing healing, transformation, life, love, and consistent demonstrations of the power of Jesus Christ to all those who are willing to receive. We are not in this to make a name for ourselves. We do these things because there is One Name that is worthy and He is willing that all would be made well, whole, and come to a saving knowledge that there is a lot more to the “normal Christian life” than what you probably believe.
Enjoy the ride!
Announcing
Healing On the Streets Seminar
at Curves Gosport
(Paul and Fran Noble's business)
June 25th
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Located in the Stoke Road shopping area, opposite Waitrose. We are on the main bus route.
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The Two Generations
What this post has turned up is the reality of the two generations that are currently at large in the church. Both spiritual.
You remember that I have previously highlighted Psalm 45:16
In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth.
I've had more light also on an a capella song I was given when I recorded my double CD Early Harvest in 1990.
I will share what I have seen, then share the short track.
The Bible says Before the Day of the Lord Comes he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. Malachi 4:6, and in Luke 1 :17
And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."(John the Baptist's call)
It also says in Ephesians Chapter 3
For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
There is a dynamic tension in tuning the 12 strings of a piano, or more precisely, exactly detuning each of the 12 strings so they play in every key. Apart from Octaves, everything else on a piano is tuned so that it is just "out". Too much out, and people will wince, too much "in", and when you come to play in certain keys people will also wince.
There is a tension in the work of God, in the doctrines of God, in people's personalities, that is there in the Holy Spirit, but as every really good gathering of the saints shows, God Himself fills in the gaps and smoothes over the seeming incompatibilities.He joins our dots.
Until this last century , men had pretty much everything their own way. Women and children were subjugated to them. And this seemed to work fine as long as women and children did exactly that.
However, God's plan was never supporting this.
God's heart is more along the lines of this phrase:
....Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.Ephesians 4:16
God never planned for women not to function fully
God never planned for children not to function fully
God never planned for every single member of the Body of Christ regardless of maturity not to function fully
Part of the sickness we inherited at the fall was fatherlessness. This means both absenteeism. But also where Fathers do not function as "enabling figures to others."
Part of the "Fathers Blessing" which a lot of people erroneously named the Toronto Blessing was to quicken the reality of Ephesians 3 :14 the name/character and function of father is the Blueprint of how heaven runs. We are connected to God the Father. Every family derives its form from this blueprint.
A ripped, torn up blueprint, shatters the internal image, the internal identity of the family individually and as a unit.Paul Anderson Walsh said about this subject..."That's all there is...connection." There are conditions like Aspergers which make this very difficult, but as Daniel Yordy's recent videos show, God even overrides this.
What goes wrong first is connection.
What went wrong in Genesis 3 was a spirit to spirit connection was broken.
Had to walk out of a job this week, not in an acrimonious way, just a simple mutual acknowledgement that though I've moved pianos for 30 years with just me doing the lifting, the particular ladies unbelief that I could do it ,would be dangerous for the job, so a connection had been broken, and I had to withdraw.Outwardly you see nothing at first, but inwardly you know pretty precisely when the connection breaks down.
But if we live the Life of God which has always had a Cross in it since before the foundation of the world, then sons will be turned to fathers and fathers to sons.
Notice Psalm 45:16 comes immediately before 17 :
I will cause Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the peoples will give You thanks forever and ever.There is great ongoing dividend if we follow the Spirit pattern. Here are some more:
The Luke verse adds
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
The Ephesians passage goes straight onto
out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
Now Havant and most charismatic churches are always asking the Lord for more power and more anointing, when all along these passages describe where the flow already is. Churches do not need more power and anointing. They need to "see" the full extent of the supply of the Father through all the channels in their midst.
Christ is in each member as each member. The Kingdom of God is here now. Even in our mouth.
Like an electrical circuit board with all sorts of gaps, and shortcircuiting pieces, the power is there in the church now, but each part does not do its work. Or if it does what it thinks is its work, it's some kind of "works" activity which refuses to acknowledge the finished work of God and seeks to add:
If I can just pray for 2 hours, if I can just fast more, if i can just worship more, if I can just read more Bible pages....... What is the work of God? That we believe on the Son of God whom the Father has sent. Where is this Son who the Father has sent now? At the righthand of God, but also indwelling us by the Spirit. This is the work of God , believing it.
So there is this dynamic tension between sons and fathers, even in the church, which the Holy Spirit alone holds together to form a vibrant community.
HYMN TO YOUTH/THE WORD - ©Words and Music A. Christopher Welch 1990
Lift up your sword you're a young man / It's your time to join the fight / You ain't got that much wisdom / But you're holding a bright light. / Do not fear all the old ones / As they cower and they rage / They once held the sword you're holding / But it's now you in centre-stage. /
Drama of history / Unrolling, unfolding Word / Somewhere in the middle / Of what is said and what is heard. / At the vortex of the conflict / Between the deaf, between the dumb / Between the aged and the stripling / Is the Word not old nor young.
Administered by No Name Ltd. 1991
Sunday, 13 March 2011
Tuning : Part Three - The First Octave.Tuning to Others
What is an octave? A longer passage from Ezekiel 8 :5- 16
5Then He said to me, "Son of man, F)">(F)raise your eyes now toward the north " So I raised my eyes toward the north, and behold, to the north of the altar gate was this G)">(G)idol of jealousy at the entrance.
6And He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great H)">(H)abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations."
7Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall.
8He said to me, "Son of man, now I)">(I)dig through the wall." So I dug through the wall, and behold, an entrance.
9And He said to me, "Go in and see the wicked abominations that they are committing here."
10So I entered and looked, and behold, every form of creeping things and beasts and detestable things, with all the idols of the house of Israel, were carved on the wall all around.
11Standing in front of them were J)">(J)seventy K)">(K)elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan standing among them, each man with his L)">(L)censer in his hand and the fragrance of the cloud of incense rising.
12Then He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what the elders of the house of Israel are committing in the dark, each man in the room of his carved images? For they say, 'M)">(M)The LORD does not see us; the LORD has N)">(N)forsaken the land.'"
13And He said to me, "Yet you will see still greater abominations which they are committing."
14Then He brought me to the entrance of the O)">(O)gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and behold, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.
15He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? Yet you will see still greater abominations than these."
16Then He brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house. And behold, at the entrance to the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their P)">(P)backs to the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east; and Q)">(Q)they were prostrating themselves eastward toward the sun.
A second goat. This goat IS NOT to repeat the idea of sins being cast as far as the oceans away from you. You Pentecostals got that wrong.
No this is HUGE! This is what makes Church work! This is what makes Jews even want to come within smelling distance of the tragedy known as Christian Church. This second goat, represents the UTTER annhilation of your sin spirit at your spirit centre. You are a container for spirit, and you have a soul and a body. Your soul and your body have to catch up with what just happened.




I love your explanation of John 1:12 and the 'parable of Snow white'...LOL
Wow: 'We don't believe to be ... we are, so we believe'!!
Thanks for sharing brother! ♥