Showing posts with label Comparing Piano Tuning to Tuning in God's realm. Show all posts
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Saturday, 23 August 2014

Sandy Halverson shares a verse on Unity






Sandy Halverson

Let them all be one. Just as you, Father are in union with Me and I am with you, let them be in union with us..
John 17:21

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Chris Welch In the 1970s the Holy Spirit was saying Unity Big Time. We sang songs as Jesus People. Jimmy and Carol Owens toured with Come Together.
Newbies like us who had come straight out of the denominations were deeply deeply moved by the love of God shed abroad in the gatherings. On a corporate level it was similar to a couple falling in love. We were SURE it would work. We bet our lives on it. After seeing Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk living together as community plus all the new revelation on the Body of Christ....we left universities....our towns ...even our countries. Some joined YWAM. I joined an Argentinian based network here in the UK. We even lived through the Argentine - UK war together.
It all looked so round the corner !!!
But nobody....bar an aging leader here or there knew that there was three levels of growth in Christianity. We were all convinced there were about one or two.....so when it didn't work....or appear to work....the landscape is now littered with burned out charismatics from that era.
Some really abused ones who suffered enormously in the Mark 1 versions of "Headship and submission".
Well in our church, a number of us became piano tuners.
What's so good about that?
I'll tell you what's so good about it.
There are physical laws. There are tricks of the trade, whereby every single day of our lives we face totally wonky pianos....totally honky tonk....and we regard it as totally matter of fact that we can tune them....the very worst ones in only 2hours or even 1 and a half hours.
We are NOT burned out at the end of the day. Tired maybe. But not burned out. We don't grow cynical saying that pianos can never be tuned. We don't leave pianos in a condition so that people can only play in Csharp minor so they can only play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and not some Concerto in D major. When we leave them they play in every key. They also play anything from Frere Jacques to Elton John.
Tuners don't get proud thinking how wonderful they are for being able to do this....anymore than Wendy Adams Evans husband thinks how brilliant he is that he can drive a train to London and back.
It is absolutely normal.
And so it is too in the Body of Christ....
IN THE THIRD LEVEL.
While we are still hardwired to leftbrain living...to living according to the flesh...having not yet trained our senses according to righteousness....it's bloomin well impossible....
But the third level Word spoken in John 6 and then again from John 13-17 produces Acts 2 results....
AND AS PETER BEGAN TO SPEAK ALL THE OTHER 11 STOOD WITH HIM

Saturday, 28 December 2013

Covenant, Unity and Nehemiah 8

Nettle Fettucine -Absolutely nothing to do with this post!!!
Just  that in the background, while writing it through the day
 I have been doing things like making handmade pasta and
I came across this recipe for nettle fettucine
Picture from this recipe post
This post is a copy of a letter today to friends who were/are a part of a Facebook thread.

Friends
One of the greatest things about Jesus is He is real.
But another thing about Jesus is He doesn't impose.

Nancy will know this, but to our generation schooled on church life, the thought that you can actually "go outside" church AND STILL SURVIVE is soooooo major!
Like the old Middle Age maps with "Beyond here there be dragons" we were all taught that no Christian can survive without fellowship...that we are absolutely sure of going off the rails if we left the "covering " of the church.
Man....this was real for us....

until we came to our Chapter 5 of Song of Solomon point where the watchmen that had been so nice and friendly before....start ripping at our Shulammite dresses and leaving us more or less starkers in the town square.

And guess what? A lot of us have been out of church for years. And we're still breathing. Many of us have actually grown more and faster than at any other point of our Christian life. But only because we found the same foundation for living that St Paul did in Arabia.....errrr presumably while learning how to knit marquees for a living!!!

Only perhaps not all have the same foundation quite...only you can answer that one.
You see it's not only grabbing Christ as you in your form...
St Paul also at least twice we know of, and maybe quite often besides...had experiences with the Living Jesus as He is NOW in the heavenlies.

What I like about Daniel Yordy's writing and really what I was trying to capture in the Hindhead Tunnel post is that we are tunneling at both ends simultaneously. John 17 is real NOW. I am in God and God is in me. I am in His Kingdom and the Kingdom is in me.
As the old song from Pentecostalism said
the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in My Lord and I am complete in Him.

When we say like the disciples....the Kingdom of heaven is at hand...we mean it.
The throne of God expresses itself through me, and yet simultaneously I am in the Throne of God in Jesus in the heavenlies.
My life is hid with Christ in God.

As long as our believing is active....and really for that read...as long as we are saying to God inwardly like Mary....Be it unto me according to your Word....and
allowing for the faith of the Son of God to do His stuff live and active inside of us...

This One Person is doing more or less the same stuff simultaneously through all of us here....yet marvellously in its individuality and context of each of our unique parts to play in this life and in the one to come. Quite how that can be so....is simply amazing.

So here is the great truth that God wants to share in the square in Nehemiah 8.

Nehemiah is already the return from Babylon, and people came in waves.

Why is so much of the gospel to do with "return"?
In returning and rest shall you be saved. In quietness and confidence shall be your strength.
Ok so what if we blow it?
In returning and rest shall you be saved etc......

Getting the picture?
It's more than a "built in" tag on to salvation.

From Adam being called for in the garden...."hey Adam....where are you you?" and being coaxed out of hiding, and having his figleaves removed, and being clothed instead with skins of an animal who had given its life....

right through every return procedure down the ages.

Naaman's cure for leprosy was ALL ABOUT RETURN....returning 7 times into the Jordan....and for 6 of them NOTHING OUTWARDLY changed.

What does that tell you about God manifesting in sons?
Something like there are 7 distinct stages to sorting us out and 6 of them are completely unseen!!!! And the devil leverages the unseen-ness to tell us "see, this gospel never does anything at all"


But another thing returning is about is willingness. A voluntary selfgiving....WHEN WE WANT. Romans 12 1-2 comes at the end of a mighty mighty exchange. If we are not sure of the product benefits, then we don't lay our lives down....simple as that.
It's a FREEWILL OFFERING in Psalm 110. God is not interested in anything else.

So If Nehemiah 1 to 7 is about returning, and each returning is connected with God erecting Gates and Walls that all have specific names...
Gathering in chapter 8 in the central square is about the finished work that God has done so far....

And it's so goood...ofcourse we gather and cut Covenant with the Word together.

What was Adam and Eve's feelings about returning before God called out for Adam?
Hiding away, plastered with figleaves.
None of us can believe honestly ahead of time in the plans of God. We are all like the man that buried his talent for fear that his master was a "hard master"...."demanding stuff with interest".

We'd prefer to bury everything in the ground and at least we'll be able to offer that.
God believes in returns with interest so much...instead of making too much of the resurrection, He calls His Son home to transplant the same resurrection into thousands of us.

I'm rambling...but this really is the background to what I want to say about unity.

For four years we have scattered seed on the net, and there has been fruit, and people have caught hold of new stuff they have never heard before. But have you also noticed there are some humongous divisions of belief, schisms and cliques?
Have you also noticed that screes of writing later there still are the same groups and separate forums and belief systems.

Here is something wonderful.
Jesus said
where two or three gather in My Name there am I in their midst.

Those two or three cease to be any human forum
any club
any belief system

they are a group visited instead by the One Lord Jesus Christ.

And when even larger groups gather, if they too are serious about God, this same Jesus Christ is among them....but by now we have more like 12 tribes worth of people represented. And each group type/interest type/personality type can begin to see themselves mirrored properly in Jesus Christ
BUT IN RELATION TO EVERY OTHER TRIBE
who is also so mirrored.

So unlike Facebook where Ken Dahl can hold court over a particular set of preterist beliefs for literally years on end, and never really be challenged.....OK people like me attempt it....but all he hears is "just another idea"

but in the collective gathering of the saints, all mirroring Jesus correctly, this Jesus who comes in Person to join the gathering...

Ken Dahl's lesser theories
Darin Hufford's lesser theories
Chris Welch's lesser theories
Nancy Gilmore's lesser theories
etc etc

all vanish like mist before the actual Presence of the Living God.
How fast?
Ooooh, unlike on the net, where it all goes on for years and years, and offline on high streets it goes on for 100s of years unchallenged...
but in the Presence of the actual Jesus Christ
I would say ...approximately 20 minutes...that's all.

Pianos go on for years with strings that slacken approximately up to 3 or 4 semitones, beyond which they rarely fall.
And there they sit for decades possibly in houses or old halls.

Until a tuner comes.
The most it ever takes is 90 minutes....usually 45-50.

Are any of you hearing in the Spirit what I am saying about the prophetic significance of Nehemiah 8? The gathering in the square. Cutting covenant.
But it's based on proper GATES and WALLS.
And one of which is the INSPECTION GATE.

Spirit discernment IS IN THE BODY.
Spirit discernment is in your spirit.
Jesus in you knows what isn't Jesus in you.

A priesthood learning what the Melchizedek order is. Schooled and trained in Psalm 123 , looking unto the smallest move of the eyes of the Master, as a servant does....knows now what a SINGLE EYE IS.
Knows what is God going on.
Has trained their senses according to righteousness.

Can you think of anything more sinister than an inspection Gate patrolled by Nazis, or Russian Communists, or worse still Ofsted Inspectors? Supposing Job's friends were in the Inspection Gate? They tried to be. We have 35 odd chapters of their inspecting.
Third Level Gatherings are not like that. Why? Because Truth just isn't the hazy thing that Lucifer has been teaching the world it is. But at the Good end of his Tree...it isn't a black and white leftbrain construction of Good either. That also is the devil. But that's another post.
Here's the fantastic thing about piano tuning and also about the Body of Christ...and natural bodies. There's no hazy truth.

  • A piano is perfectly in tune when you can play in all 12 keys equally. Strings are in tune when the sympathy between the strings has additional force. The sum is greater than the parts!!!
  • The Body of Christ is in tune when it can hear /see the Melchizedek order and act in alignment. 
  • A natural body has a complete homeostatic system to regulate every single aspect of right functioning.
The Holy Spirit in believers is the same.


In the Old Testament, the big difference is the people were addressed by one man in Chapter 8....Ezra the scribe.

Now, God is teaching His Body to move as One. Guess certain ones will lead as God indicates, and present their twopennarth....but really by now it should be the whole Body knowing how to plug into the frequency of the Melchizedek Order.
"Doing only what they see the Father doing".

There are two trainings.
1/ Walking daily Christ as us
2/ In gatherings as everyone is moved by the Spirit in particular

So hang onto your seatbelts!
Just as a piano can sit for years until a tuner with the right equipment comes along and in minutes does what nobody else has done for decades....

So the Spirit is well able to achieve in terms of unity when the right equipment and systems are in place....what pastors and wrong structures operating in fleshly wisdom have been unable to accomplish for two thousand years.

Wednesday, 16 November 2011

The Truth about Jesus - Oghenakheranimoh Seann Enigimi-Julius

The truth about Jesus

by Oghenakheranimoh Seann Enigimi-Julius on Wednesday, 16 November 2011 at 11:06
i think i would be walking to work daily cos i get so inspired thinking about stuff as i walk to work...maybe i shud be paid for walking to work and not actually getting there, life would be a breeze lol...

okay so here is the truth about Jesus that i have come to learn recently. Jesus isnt our mentor, no the Bible says in Colossians 3 v 3 and  that our life is hid with Christ in God and let me not go back to telling us that that isnt our doing but God. That is, we didnt do anything to hide our lives with Christ in God no the Bible says repeatedly that concerning us and who we have become "All things are of God" eg 2 corinthians 5 v 18 and 1 corinthians 1 v 30...God did it for us. Yes so Jesus is our life source...Colossians 1 calls him the one from whom we originated...John 1 v 1-5 supports this claim...

Jesus is more than one that we should be like. I wrote a song 3 weeks ago, a little bit crappy but i love what it says and i think I've heard it before that Jesus is the truth about us. We were place and found in Jesus ever befre we were lost in Adam. Jesus is much more to us than a distant saviour we have to believe in to be saved or sons or God and get connected to others called the church and preay and hear the word on sundays and all. No, Jesus is the trutha bout us. We are intricately wired with him and thru him and for him...see Acts 17 v 28...this also blew my erstwhile carnal mind that Paul speaking and called men who were worshipping idols sons of God...every Pastor needs to see this really!

Jesus is the truth about us.He is our perfect representation and we are all in him. Paul said in 2 corinthians 5 v 14 that when he died we were all dead. Jesus is us all (Colossians 3 v 11). In verse 16 of 2 corinthians 5, it tells us that Jesus was more than a man, no he was us all. When he walked the earth we were living our genesis life in him, thats why he healed as he was the progenitor of man's life. His purpose for coming was more than to show us the way. No its was to live our life for us the way it was to be lived from the beginning. I love Jesus not cos its a commandment but cos i see myself in him. This is what 2 corinthians 5 v 17 says, it didnt just say "all things have become new" it says to "behold all things have become new". why? Our lives change when we begin to see Jesus as more than one man but someone that we are all included in...our source and life...he said "if any man is in christ Jesus he is a new creation and all men are in Christ Jesus cos he died for all...

Hope ure are not tired of reading cos its just getting better. What then is the gospel? the gospel isnt some very unconnected story to us that we gotta believe in to be sons of God or to be saved ( do i see eye brows raised?) yes, the gospel is what happened to you...Yes, what happened to you. It is a message about you. It tells you about your life, what happened to you unknown to you. Glory! That gives you its power. That it is real even before we believe it. James said that hearing the word which is the gospel is akin to seeing your face in the mirror. the mirror doesnt show us our potential. No, it shows us our real selves, well as far as bodies or the physical goes cos we are much more than we can see in the mirror.

John 1 v 12, i battled with this scripture in light of our inclusion in all he did but here's what ive found out. as many as received him (who is him? the truth about themselves) to them gave he the power...its not as though he made only these sons of God cos i said in my first note that we do not believe or receive unto sonship, no we are born sons by our parents so it wasnt saying he made only those who received sons.  So what was he saying then? those who received this truth were empowered by the truth to live as sons of God that they were...who are sons of God? verse 13 answered it...sosn of God are born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh  nor of the will of man but of God....God gave birth to us all...so verse 12 was talking about those who grasped that they were more than mere men cos they originated from God and this is the truth about us all...

An analogy came to me today, when we look in the mirror and see someone other than ourselves we are not free to be ourselves, it spurs or inspires evil works and sins of all types...this gets better as you can sense. how many of us can remember the cartoon "Snow white", the witch therein that said "mirror mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all?" She then saw snow white and then she set out to kill her...not seeing ourselves in the morror of the gospel inspires us to live under a false not God-given identity where we try to do to be (law and the law brings knowledge of sin and death) but if she the witch had seen herself in the mirror, she would have been free to be herself and carry a good opinion of herself which would have led to good works but then again, she is a witch so what should we expect from a witch, lol.

the truth we hear about us, empowers our God given nature to be experienced...we dont believe to be...we are so we believe...hence, the gospel we hear should reveal who we have become not who we should be. when we see that, our actions would line up with who we see that we are. Eg wearing a white suit i wouldnt wanna get it dirty repairing your car no matter how much you pay me, except its worth my while lol...Just kidding but you catch my drip. The truth we hear empowers us to be ourselves and really the truth we hear really is empowered by what we already are. That is, its cos we already are that hearing that we are empowers us to be.

i really hope that i have confused anyone cos i said a lot. it was fresher than this on my way to work but i had to get settled to type it. please pardon its somehowness. Jesus is much more than news about mankind that we cant touch...no, he is all that is, was and is to come for us all mankind.
  • Mia Den Hertog Wow Eramoh, what a wonderful note!!
    I love your explanation of John 1:12 and the 'parable of Snow white'...LOL
    Wow: 'We don't believe to be ... we are, so we believe'!!
    Thanks for sharing brother! ♥

    28 minutes ago





  • Chris Welch You got it bro.The bit about "seeing someone else in the mirror", gets you onto Rich Novek and Fred Pruitt and Cindi Estep who all talk about seeing One Thing....as soon as we see two...or more....we're back to our original troubles. The other thing i'd say as a piano tuner...is if we are seeing the One...this is like tuning my first string exactly exactly to Jesus. I cannot tell you how exactly you have to tune if you are a piano tuner. You tune an A note to 440 beats per second. Not 441. Not 439. God has blessed our creation so that when you play two notes together , one at 440, one at 439...you will hear the difference. 1 beat vibrating slowly over the duration of a second. I am so glad i do not have to count 440 individual beats persecond.
    In the same way when you put loads of "mirror watchers" who are seeing "mostly" only Jesus.....the things that are not quite Jesus show up pretty quickly. And this is the genius behind Body Living, or as John puts it "Walking in the Light".
    OK...so how come if I walk into a normal church that it doesn't help me. This again is very simple to answer according to piano tuning. Normal (abnormal) churches are NOT tuned to Jesus Christ.
    They are tuned to Jesus Plus Tithing.
    Jesus Plus One man Pastor.
    Jesus plus the Song List.
    Jesus plus Hillsongs
    Jesus plus the Mass
    Jesus Plus the correct clothes
    Jesus plus the Thursday night Bible Study
    Jesus plus one particular Apostolic Network

    Psalm 19 says "Day to Day pours forth speech...." This is what we tune to. Not "plus " anything. Churches that are founded on seeing God only....and I haven't yet met one...begin by having a series of individuals training themselves in the Holy Spirit to believe in the authenticity which God originally planned.....Looking in the mirror and seeing only Jesus in your "vessel format". As soon as a bunch of people , like the disciples, can be established in this way of walking in the Spirit....when we meet as "ekklesia" we will behave much more like we see in the New Testament.

    There are two main types of churches of people who are born again.

    8 minutes ago ·

Saturday, 18 June 2011

Carol Lucas Winkler,Bill Johnson, and Ryan Rhoades,but also much more

Carol Lucas Winkler :Testimonies of healing
Carol, not entirely recently
 have been healed, by the Lord, many times in my life. I am endeavoring to walk in Divine health, at this moment in my life. I was diagnosed with an incurable disease as a young woman. I was told I had to have my colon removed, and a bag placed on my side. I asked for a second opinion, and a second test. The same results came back. I remember how fear tried to take over. I couldn't see myself living like that. I had been with my brother, and sister, in the past, and we had laid our hands on my dad's arm that had huge blood clots in it. The doctors had tried everything to get rid of them to no avail. We were young in the Lord, and had no problem believing that those things had to leave if we commanded them to leave, in Jesus name. When we did this, they left immediately. When fear was gripping my heart and mind, over the thought of having my colon removed, the memories of my dad's healing helped me.

I decided not to have the surgery, but to trust God for my healing. I left the hospital and for the next couple weeks I had severe pain. When the pain would act up i would speak to my colon and tell it to line up with the word of God, that said I was healed. I spoke to the pain and commanded it to leave my body in Jesus name. I knew that faith was the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence unseen. So I wouldn't let what I felt move me. Was it easy? No, but it was worth it. After two weeks every symptom of that disease was gone.

From that time on, I knew God could and would heal anything. I also knew he had given us authority over sickness and disease in his name. Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning. As soon as I heard these words, this just flung out of my mouth, "He shall not die, but he shall live, and declare the works of the Lord." I know, now, that happened because I had been feeding on the word of God. The bible says whatever is the fullest in your mind will, (in the greek) fling out of your mouth, and will decide your future...what will happen in your life. If I had been feeding mainly on movies, God only knows what I might have said.
Years later, the doctors told me my son would be dead by morning
But those words came out in faith. It wasn't because I was super spiritual...it was because i spent alot of time in the bible, feeding on the good news. Healing, deliverances, protection, provision, etc. My son did live, and he grew up to be a preacher and to declare the works of the Lord.. Thank God!

I had an older sister, who was diagnosed with Optic Neuritis. She couldn't even see to change her baby's diaper. But we knew, by then, that it was God's will for us to be whole, and healthy. We laid our hands on her eyes and commanded Optic Neuritis to leave. It did. The specialist knew she had been healed, but he wanted her to keep appointments for awhile to be sure. She just told him she was healed, forever of that disease, and wouldn't be needing his services any longer.

My husband had been running around ...480 blood sugar level Diabetes. Now, he had never really took authority over any sickness before, but this time he decided he didn't want to live with Diabetes. It was simple...he spoke to Diabetes, by name, and commanded it to leave in Jesus name. His blood sugar level dropped within a day or two. His sugar level was starting to drop too low, because he was still on medicine. We made a doctor's appointment before he went off the medicine, (some medicines have to be removed gradually..). The doctor and nurse could not believe he was healed, so they had him take his level twice a day, without medicine, for a month. It has been over two months now...and his level is still that of a person without Diabetes. Why? He doesn't have it anymore, praise God! The doctor just keeps saying he doesn't understand. We do. Why are some healed, and some people aren't healed? I don't have all the answers, but i do know if we spend time in the bible, our faith rises and we are able to believe.

If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church. "As he was teaching, the power of God was present to heal." This scripture was talking about Jesus. But it also pertains to any church. If the pastor preaches on healing, the power of God will be present to heal.
Sometimes, after a person is healed, that same thing will try to come back. It is no big deal...you just tell it you are not falling for it again, and to be gone in Jesus name. If we only realized we have the same Spirit of God in us, that was in Jesus. We have been given authority over all the power of the enemy...if we don't know this, the devil can run over us.

If you go to a church that doesn't teach healing, you won't see people healed in that church.

If you don't believe sickness is from the devil, think about all the times Jesus rebuked spirits of disease and infirmity. He said the woman who was bowed over has been bound by satan all those years. Sometimes sickness is just a result of living in this world. Whatever is behind it, we have authority over it. Some churches won't teach on healing because they are afraid if they try it, it may not work for everyone. I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it. If we make a few mistakes along the way, or if someone's faith doesn't receive, do we throw out the promises of healing? No, we keep at it , just like Jesus did. Remember, in the one city, he couldn't do many mighty works? Notice, it didn't say he wouldn't, it says he couldn't. Why? The bible says it was because of their unbelief. So if Jesus went through this, just arm yourself to the fact that it may happen...someone just may not believe. But there will be many who will come from far and near to be healed, just like in the days of Jesus. A huge part of his ministry was healing.

A lot of churches are neglecting their people's needs. I could go on and on and on, with healing testimonies. I have seen so many, and one of them is my daughter. She had a disease that was destroying all of her internal organs. From a young girl, until last year, she had undergone 17 surgeries and just got worse...kind of like the woman with the issue of blood. That woman had spent all she had on doctors, but just got worse. My daughter is a walking miracle. She is healed. Thank God! One other thing she had been suffering with, was a bulging disk in her neck. It had been very painful. When my daughter decided to receive her healing, she included the disk. She was healed immediately, except for the disk. The pain tried to hold on....but she would just speak to the pain, in Jesus name, and tell it to leave, because it had no right to be in a healed body. This was last year...she is totally healed! I believe God wants everyone well. He is not a respecter of persons. It has nothing to do with how good we are...it is free. All we have to do is receive it. If you need to be healed, get into the bible and spend time on all the healing scriptures, and the stories of all those who were healed. Most of the time Jesus said, "As your faith is, so be it unto you." Every person has been given the measure of faith, but this world has so many things to get caught up with. To keep our faith working, we have to keep our minds renewed with God's word. I hope this may have helped someone who needs to be healed. Don't be afraid.;.only believe.
I think it is better to practice our faith, than to sit on it.
about an hour ago
Carol Lucas Winkler
Walking in divine health, is when we don't keep having to get healed, over and over...it is a place where we remain healed. When a symptom comes knocking at our door, we just take our authority and command it to leave, before it can take a foothold in our bodies. Divine health...I like that! Thank you Lord!

(KJV)Matthew 9:22
But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.



(KJV)Luke 13:16
And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?



(KJV)Luke 5:17
And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.


(KJV)Luke 9:1-2
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. [2] And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

(KJV)Mark 6:5-6
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them . [6] And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.


(KJV)Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.


Chris, this is just a little advice out of love. Try the spirits whether they be of God. Always see what the Holy Spirit did in the New Testament. If something seems too wierd or bizarre or if it doesn't edify the church...beware. There are evil spirits that mimic God's Spirit. I love the move of the Holy Spirit...I have seen many healings and joy. I have also seen very bizarre things that were evil spirits. You will know...if you know God's word. Anything that goes off far to the right or left...be careful. I believe God is using you and you have a desire for the move of God. Whenever the bible is put away for the move of the Spirit only...you have a problem. Healing follows the preaching of the word. Praying for God's will and wisdom for your church...and praying you will see many many healings! God bless you Chris...i know he will! One more thing...get your truth from God alone. It is good having teachers, but it is absolutely necessary for you to receive your own revelations from God alone. I found this out, years ago, when i was following a minister's teaching. After I started really seeking to know God and truth, the Lord opened my eyes to things that were totally opposite to what that minister was teaching. He has good plans for you..
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Chris writes: this really began yesterday on Facebook here:
Paul Noble
is a bit fed up that so many friends and people around are battling with the destructive disease of cancer. I HATE cancer - God when are we going to see some miracles in this area! Psalm 103 says he heals of us of ALL our diseases - that includes cancer.
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Chris Welch John G Lake's background were that 5, yes 5, members of his own family died right around him, and the same was about to happen with his wife....and he said to this fatalist Methodist vicar.....NO! I won't let it......and that was the birth of his ministry. Kafka wrote...Truth is seen in the grimace on the face of a retreating lie.Light swallows up darkness...but first there is darkness.
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Andre Rabe provided 2 different YouTube links as examples of two different angles, one by Bill Johnson, and one by Ryan Rhoades. This material is below with a transcript of some of Bill's words.
This is extremely relevant because I am in such a church. That is to say  Havant wouldn't even receive some of Paul and Fran Noble's teaching on healing derived largely from Andrew Wommack, 6 or 7 years ago, and Paul felt frozen out in that endearing way that Havant do things. I also have experienced the same thing, so I am starting to see clearly how they do it. But, with Havant, things are not necessarily terminal, they just like going at their own sweet pace and eventually they tag along. They were exactly the same with praise and worship, refusing to tread the path that Emsworth were pioneering at the time 30 years ago. It may just be that Havant church just has the character of some of the tribes of Israel, they like to see Judah go ahead, and several years later, if it appears safe, they eventually go the same way. This was actually what the tribes returning to Israel from captivity were like. Not everybody came in the first wave. For me, I find this way of operating scary, because I am too aware of Kadesh Barnea moments, when God closes the door to one generation and we wait another 40 years to do what we could have done after only 11 days journey! (The time it really takes to cross the desert from Egypt to Israel...as written in the Bible). I don't like halfhearted, nicey,nicey, when we feel like it obedience. It can be the sweet smiley face of strong-willed rebellion.
But nevertheless, I'm not altogether with Andre,Francois Du Toit,Nancy Gilmore and many others in discounting impartation although, without exception it freaks me out how woolly  some of these "impartation situations" are. What I think we're heading for is a people who know they are anointed, but that anointing comes from the Son who is living in them as them. Sadly the "imparting" generation of Morris Cerullo, Bill Johnson, Che Ahn are so so so so woolly in their theology, and I can understand it driving Ryan Rhoades and Andre Rabe nuts.
But blog readers should be aware of this.
1/Rheinhard Bonnke was doing some London visiting on his way home with no other thought when he came across George Jeffreys Revivalist plaque on his London home. Rheinhard had no idea the guy was still alive and certainly did not expect the frail sick ailing man to pray one last prayer. Well it was a bit more than that. It involved every last strength of this man's body, imparting the Holy Spirit in revival power to the young Rheinhard. Yes Jesus could have done it direct. Yes, the anointing that Jesus has rested already in Rheinhard's spirit...but this is what happened and Rheinhard returned to Germany. He was hardly back and he learned of the death of George Jeffrey, almost like God had told him to hang on for this Melchizedek rendez vous.
2/The next example is Barbara Rogerson who at the time I knew her was virtually anti healing and all for"Christ as me in my form"...well you can read what happened to her in this blogpost.
3/Finally you should know, what you are reading here, namely my blog, only really materialised in this form just weeks after Rheinhard Bonnke prayed for me in London, as he anointed all 2000 of us in the hall. The material here would freak his generation out....but nevertheless, he , you could say, has had a hand (literally speaking) in what you're reading.
So...no....I don't agree about all the negative that is said about impartation. But if you get loads of people who still walk in the independent self delusion, trotting around "imparting"....guess what spirit they will be imparting? So...yup...I can really understand people getting freaked out by what is going on.
This blog is a new generation of material. It is Spirit and Life. It is Word and Spirit. It is Spirit underlined by Word. But it is Word that needs underlining by Spirit. That means if there is real stuff going on here, signs will follow after the content of this blog...even if at first it is only personal growth, and greater clarity of vision. If not, this project is a waste of both our times.

Bill Johnson: Healings happen all the time. It’s normal.
700 Club: You say it’s happening all the time. If somebody’s watching just now what would you say to them? How can they have what you have?
BJ: You’ve got to passionately pursue God in the secret place. You have to have PRIVATE VICTORIES....so you can have PUBLIC VICTORIES. You have to have private times of triumph so that it gets displayed publicly. David fought the lion and the bear when no one was watching and God was able to trust him to kill Goliath when everyone was watching.So you’ve got to have those private times, in public you take a risk. But also it’s a big deal to associate yourself with people who are getting breakthrough....because there is something transferable in that environment. If you want to learn how to kill giants, hang around with a giant killer. Because the other giants that were killed in the Bible were all men that worked with David. Going on trips with Randy Clark to Brazil where miracles happen in their thousand, starts doing things to your mindset. You know your mind is being renewed when the impossible looks logical. Some people get upset when folk go to lots of healing conferences and tell them we’re not supposed to follow miracles. Well I tell folk, follow miracles until they follow you. Until they effect how you do life.
700:  How do you become anchored in that?
BJ : When you live with no options. You don’t have plan B. You see I live in debt...I am obligated to bring fruit of the impossible to God. He has put the Spirit of the living Christ who raised Jesus from the dead in me...and He expects us to conquer something. When you have no other option than to pleas Him, then miracles are normal.


From the contact page of www.revivalorriots.org

This is the website for Ryan and Laura Rhoades. We left everything to follow God and moved to California to bring a message of uncompromising perseverance, boldness, and citywide transformation with us everywhere that we go. We drove across the country from New York to California in a 1992 Oldsmobile 88 Royale…and wow was it an adventure!

We decided to start a website to chronicle the journey that God is taking us on as we travel the world to spread His Good News!

We chose “Revival or Riots” as the name of our “ministry” based on Acts 17:6 — “…these who have turned the world upside down have come here as well!” There were two things that happened when Jesus and His early followers preached His Word with the accompanying Power of God—revival, or riots. Sometimes both!


We feel that there is something drastically missing in the church today–and much of that comes from a lack of understanding who we really are in Christ and the Power that is resident and alive within us just waiting to be released through acts of faith in Jesus and the Power of His great Name!

So we welcome you to our website and encourage you to browse around, comment, e-mail us, etc. as we bring you thoughts from the road, the journey we are on, and the lessons we are learning, bringing healing, transformation, life, love, and consistent demonstrations of the power of Jesus Christ to all those who are willing to receive. We are not in this to make a name for ourselves. We do these things because there is One Name that is worthy and He is willing that all would be made well, whole, and come to a saving knowledge that there is a lot more to the “normal Christian life” than what you probably believe.

Enjoy the ride!


Announcing
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The Two Generations
What this post has turned up is the reality of the two generations that are currently at large in the church. Both spiritual.
You remember that I have previously highlighted Psalm 45:16
In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth.

I've had more light also on an a capella  song I was given when I recorded my double CD Early Harvest in 1990.
I will share what I have seen, then  share the short track.
The Bible says Before the Day of the Lord Comes he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. Malachi 4:6, and in Luke 1 :17
And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous--to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."(John the Baptist's call)
It also says in Ephesians Chapter 3
For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.

 There is a dynamic tension in tuning the 12 strings of a piano, or more precisely, exactly detuning each of the 12 strings so they play in every key. Apart from Octaves, everything else on a piano is tuned so that it is just "out". Too much out, and people will wince, too much "in", and when you come to play in certain keys people will also wince.
There is a tension in the work of God, in the doctrines of God, in people's personalities, that is there in the Holy Spirit, but as every really good gathering of the saints shows, God Himself fills in the gaps and smoothes over the seeming incompatibilities.He joins our dots.

Until this last century , men had pretty much everything their own way. Women and children were subjugated to them. And this seemed to work fine as long as women and children did exactly that.
However, God's plan was never supporting this.
God's heart is more along the lines of this phrase:
....Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.Ephesians 4:16

God never planned for women not to function fully
God never planned for children not to function fully
God never planned for every single member of the Body of Christ regardless of maturity not to function fully

Part of the sickness we inherited at the fall was fatherlessness. This means both absenteeism. But also where Fathers do not function as "enabling figures to others."
 Part of the "Fathers Blessing" which a lot of people erroneously named  the Toronto Blessing was to quicken the reality of Ephesians 3 :14  the name/character and function of father is the Blueprint of how heaven runs. We are connected to God the Father. Every family derives its form from this blueprint.
A ripped, torn up blueprint, shatters the internal image, the internal identity of the family individually and as a unit.Paul Anderson Walsh said about this subject..."That's all there is...connection." There are conditions like Aspergers which make this very difficult, but as Daniel Yordy's recent videos show, God even overrides this.
What goes wrong first is connection.
What went wrong in Genesis 3 was a spirit to spirit connection was broken.
Had to walk out of a job this week, not in an acrimonious way, just a simple mutual acknowledgement that though I've moved pianos for 30 years with just me doing the lifting, the particular ladies unbelief that I could do it ,would be dangerous for the job, so a connection had been broken, and I had to withdraw.Outwardly you see nothing at first, but inwardly you know pretty precisely when the connection breaks down.
 Churches do not need more power and anointing. They need to "see" the full extent of the supply of the Father through all the channels in their midst.
Christ is in each member as each member. The Kingdom of God is here now. Even in our mouth.

It is not a natural thing for someone trained in the flesh to do less,wind down, and encourage others to take their place.
But if we live the Life of God which has always had a Cross in it since before the foundation of the world, then sons will be turned to fathers and fathers to sons.
Notice Psalm 45:16 comes immediately before 17 :
I will cause Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the peoples will give You thanks forever and ever.
There is great ongoing dividend if we follow the Spirit pattern. Here are some more:
The Luke verse adds
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
The Ephesians passage goes straight onto
out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.
Now Havant and most charismatic churches are always asking the Lord for more power and more anointing, when all along these passages describe where the flow already is. Churches do not need more power and anointing. They need to "see" the full extent of the supply of the Father through all the channels in their midst.
Christ is in each member as each member. The Kingdom of God is here now. Even in our mouth.
Like an electrical circuit board with all sorts of gaps, and shortcircuiting pieces, the power is there in the church now, but each part does not do its work. Or if it does what it thinks is its work, it's some kind of "works" activity which refuses to acknowledge the finished work of God and seeks to add:
If I can just pray for 2 hours, if I can just fast more, if i can just worship more, if I can just read more Bible pages.......    What is the work of God? That we believe on the Son of God whom the Father has sent. Where is this Son who the Father has sent now? At the righthand of God, but also indwelling us by the Spirit. This is the work of God , believing it.
So there is this dynamic tension between sons and fathers, even in the church, which the Holy Spirit alone holds together to form a vibrant community.


HYMN TO YOUTH/THE WORD - ©Words and Music A. Christopher Welch 1990
Lift up your sword you're a young man / It's your time to join the fight / You ain't got that much wisdom / But you're holding a bright light. / Do not fear all the old ones / As they cower and they rage / They once held the sword you're holding / But it's now you in centre-stage. /
Drama of history / Unrolling, unfolding Word / Somewhere in the middle / Of what is said and what is heard. / At the vortex of the conflict / Between the deaf, between the dumb / Between the aged and the stripling / Is the Word not old nor young.
Administered by No Name Ltd. 1991

Sunday, 13 March 2011

Tuning : Part Three - The First Octave.Tuning to Others

My very well used pouch of 12 tuning forks. Thirty years ago I had an electronic tuner which was stolen during a restaurant meal when I was beginning to share the third level with my friends around 1989. A waitress came up and said "Is that your car with the smashed window?".
Worse still, my friends' pastor after this, told them to have nothing to do with me. Hmmm.....were it not for the reality of Christ living our lives....we'd all have given this message a miss, and rejoined the jolly ranks of the charismatic kneesup. But it is true, and no matter what the devil, or the charismatic movement want to throw at it, Christ is going to have His way. Ever since,by the way I've operated from 12 tuning forks instead.

Summary
This is the third in a series which traces the procedure of tuning a whole piano. It is an unashamed allegory for the Big Picture of how God is wooing a people into relationship with Him. He is tuning us up to Him, both directly and indirectly. Directly by taking some apart for a while, and getting them to tune stringently to His operational ways, and to His heartbeat which is love. Indirectly, through "peer tuning", by far the quicker procedure because having each other puts pressure upon each other that left to our own devices might simply not occur as fast.(*$)
This series is at one level the real deal of tuning. If you follow these steps with enough practice pianos over approximately two years you literally will be a professional standard piano tuner.
Hah! And you thought they were mild little blogposts, huh?
In Part One and Part Two (Mark Knopfler edition) we were looking at the very first two stages.Tuning one individual string to an authentic concert pitch/normal pitch source, then by using nature's inbuilt mechanism of hearing odd beating effects between notes, we can tune strings to other strings so that three separate stings are "bang in tune" and give the impression of one note. This is all a picture of how we have to get our gospel from God. The one we've been living from had either only one string to it : the gospel of forgiveness, or two strings only : forgiveness and an experience with the Holy Spirit.
But treble strings on a piano have 3 strings to make a complete note. The missing string is the subject of this blog: the complete exchange made by Jesus Christ at the Cross. There were two baptisms for the Israelites. One baptism launched the Israelites on a route through the Red Sea, where all their Egyptian enemies (past life) drowned. This is a Passover Truth. This is a gospel of forgiveness. That is ALL a whole generation of Israelites experienced in terms of baptism, and there they all died (excepting 2) in the desert. The young ones 40 years later experienced a 2nd baptism in order to go into the Land. This is also represented by the Day of Atonement immediately before harvest time in the third Feast: Feast of Tabernacles. Day of Atonement is related to but DIFFERENT FROM Passover. Most Christians are completely confused by this.

But before communities can be set up in different locations to the glory of God in the manner that Paul set them up, a full " 3 string gospel" has to be understood by revelation. You see, this third post is about living as communities of this genuine 3 string gospel. The analogy is taken from once having one perfect three string note, we progress to set up the first octave.




What is an octave?
An octave is 8 notes which in our cultures are represented by the seven letters A B C D E F G, which lead onto the 8th note where the same sequence repeats. This is like the 7 days of the week and the 7 visible colour shades of the rainbow. In between some of these notes are black keys which give us the remaining semitones or half notes , the flats and sharps,which enable us to play in any of the 12 keys. In C major, the simplest of keys, we only use the white keyniotes. In C# Major you practically have to borrow pieces of coal from next door to have enough black notes to squeeze 'em all in.

Later, I'm going to be dropping a natural and spiritual bombshell regarding these 12 notes.

What does an octave represent?
For the purposes of my blog and this post in particular an octave represents a fully functioning unit of Kingdom Community, most often known as the local church.
What it doesn't represent is an interest group, or a club of similar personality types.

In piano terms, having isolated one particular string in order to tune it to a source, like a tuning fork or electronic tuner, and having tuned two other strings to it to fool everyone that there is just one note being played, they have to set about creating one perfect prototype octave working out from this one note. A large disproportionate time is given to this octave. From this one octave, every other octave will be tuned. Make a mistake here, and that mistake will be virally transmitted throughout the piano!
(Hmmm...did you pick up something there?.....interesting isn't it?)

The first ever Kingdom Octave was ACTUALLY an octave of 12 notes, or 12 rightly relating disciples, now apostles. They stood up together in Acts 2. Peter was granted the opportunity of being first to speak, but each of them had been prepared for this hour.

When tuners prepare that first octave, the best results are not obtained by tuning the lowest and gradually going up note by note against a tuning source. The system is not obvious at all. We tune by leaps of fourths and fifths and octaves. These are the most "related" of all the notes.

I don't want you to get too bogged down in the piano real world. Just to say we DO NOT TUNE one note against its immediate neighbour, but by notes that have a natural empathy towards each other. In real terms, when you play them against each other the beat cycles you hear are nearly .....I say....nearly non existant. But once you have been round the whole cycle of related keys, you end up with an incredibly stable, robust octave.

Let's start to pull this together
Andrew Elmes, Portsmouth, is an evangelist. If you do a search under his name below you will see that I particularly admire the way that rather than immediately get to work over here in the UK he took time out to seek God for his own life, and particularly to have the reality of God in terms of a real empowering and fire. This all occurred during the period my close friends Ron and Pam Knight were also staying with them all at Vaughan Jarrold's Preparation Centres in Queens New York City and Upper New York State. I know of which I speak. Also, that you should never touch Vaughan's Lemon Curd if you want to live long on the earth.
Peter Stott, Havant is primarily a prophetic teacher, but with a deep deep desire for revival which originated in his youth.

Now according to 1 Corinthians 12, if Andrew discounts Peter's ministry because it is not evangelistic, or if Peter does the converse because Andrew doesn't particularly "do " the
prophetic, they are both going to have fantastic little operations stretching across the globe in the respective keys of say Gbmajor and let's say B major, but speaking in Kingdom terms, they will be reproducing something other than Kingdom. The Bible says we are complete in Christ. This does not mean "Ah....I'm complete....needing nothing."
2 Peter 1:5-11

[5] For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; [6] and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; [7] and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. [8] For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. [9] But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

The Life we receive from Christ has "joiney" bits to the other keys which we are not primarily.
One of the main reasons we can tell where people are at now is by observing not the "joiney" bits that run smoothly from one part to the other but rather the "fightey" bits.

This is the giveaway Paul says to the Corinthians that they are immature, when they say "I am of..... and not of...." Paul says rightly ALL THESE ARE YOURS.

Another look at the foundation
If you were to ask both Andrew and Peter what their foundational message is, they would, I believe answer in phraseology that related to their respective ministries. Neither would at this stage have reached the simplicity of
"laying a foundation of Christ " in the believer, or if they have reached here, they would not be happy reducing things to
Christ in You the Hope of Glory.
Nor certainly, a foundation of Christ IN YOU AS YOU.
This is precisely what this blog IS SAYING is the foundation of the Kingdom, and the foundation that transplants of itself anywhere. It has no viral additions. It is not "less than complete".
Everything that you South American man, and you Chinese woman need to "tune your whole area" is in
Christ's own very Life in you as you. Received by faith. Confessed with the lips.

The Radical nature of the Spirit octave.
Each note, or person rightly tuned into the Heavenly Tabernacle wherein dwells the Living Resurrected Christ is
connected to the Living Version, the Spirit version of these realities:
The OuterCourt where we had all our sin dealt with, both from a "covering " point of view and an inworked REPLACEMENT of sin at our spirit centre.
The Holy Place where we are made Kings and Priests to our God. We receive an anointing of the Holy Spirit and Fire. Fire to thoroughly bring us forth and fix us in our new identity, but fire also to transmit Christ's Person and message to others. Where anyone got the idea of some human university course of transmitted information to prepare for a secular office of Priest or Minister, our current generation, and certainly those from the Jesus People onwards are at a complete loss to explain.
The third most disputed area or Holiest Place, where Christ's life is fully mature in a believer, and they operate freely in this incarnated form of God's glory in just the same way that Jesus did.

Now this third "string", to be multiplied through a complete octave and from thence throughout the piano, is certainly the current war that is taking place in the Kingdom .This third Feast teaching. This Holiest Place teaching is the necessary missing ingredient which explains the gospels and Acts to us. It explains and fills out the rather patchy "human" teachings we have been getting in our churches from the later epistles. It explains how Paul can become a "prisoner for Christ" and simultaneously be releasing huge areas of nations for the multiplication of the gospel.
If the Kingdom of the devil switched itself on in Genesis 3 by us acting "independently (we thought) from God, then this third "string" represents the final "seeing" of how the the Kingdom of Light functions. We are replacing the devil's kingdom with the truth that Christ has totally replaced our sin spirit at our centre. Or as Andre Rabe and Francois Du Toit would say we are choosing to return to the Authentic creation, the one conceived in God's eye way before the beginning of time, the YOU as God conceived you. The same one the devil lies about, casts slurs about,saying you are insufficient and lacking. Well you are if you as a container are planning on functioning in the lie of self- godhood. This lying realm is empowered by the devil's own spirit which is seriously, seriously lacking in just about every feature of true godliness. But if instead as a container you recognise you were always intended to CONTAIN CHRIST....then instead of seeing this as something charismatics warn you against, in your desperation you find this is THE ONLY WAY LIFE WORKS. So where else are these other charismatics going to turn? Well, actually they only have 2 choices.
Back again to lengthen the duration of their self-imposed sentence of frustration in their own personal Romans 7, or like you, to realise this is one complete waste of time and a precious once lived- life, and therefore to properly recognise the truth. There is ONLY one LIFE in the Universe. God. Anything else isn't even a side-show. It's the realm of the law of sin and death. As Peter said of Jesus..."Where else can we go? You have the words of Eternal Life"

Starting to tune the octave
Quite often tuners will do a quick rough octave. This is like the charismatic movement. Jesus said when we meet together in the Name of Jesus there He is in our midst. So a whole bunch of totally different people, different personalities, ages, both sexes, find a MIRACLE takes place. They relate to this central pure tuning of Christ's Presence. And somehow, for the brief duration of a meeting a kind of "downpayment of unity" occurs.(Press on in the Unity of the spirit until you attain the unity of Faith) This can sometimes be just about continued across a Conference over mealtimes and staying with each other at houses.

This is like the Solomon's Temple version of Temple Building.
All the main slabs are cut elsewhere in quarries, then wonder of wonders, when the slabs are on site they slide together miraculously. In Piano terms, you get a beautifully tuned piano first octave that holds together just long enough for a quick run through! But lo and behold! Messy bits are there already, or messy bits soon appear because the notes are not stable yet!!!!
(Are you getting this already????)So here comes the bombshell!

The 12 note Bombshell in nature and in the Church

If stability wasn't enough of a factor there is an important feature about our creation you need to know. It concerns notes, pitches and keys.

Something happened in the Fall. Ask anybody, absolutely anybody who has been in prayer or in a meeting and suddenly had an open revelation of heaven where they have physically heard heaven's music and they will ALL say the same thing. So in the abundance of witnesses let's go with it. Music in heaven IS TRUER.
In the Fall, the harmonics of notes got squished. It is a subtle thing, but it has had an effect.
Nine foot or tenfoot Concert grand pianos are made that size for two reasons. They are louder. But they are truer. Long strings have louder main harmonic overtones. The loudest overtone of a string is an octave up, which sounds great. The next one up is a fifth above that which also sounds great. Too much above that you start to get some strange sounding harmonic overtones. Not much of a problem on a big piano.

It can be an enormous problem on a small piano. And us tuners have to tune a piano slightly squiffily to match!
Before I really appreciated what the differences were , Chichester College asked me to hurriedly tune an upright piano to their grand piano for a concert that afternoon. So I did. One of those occasions where you shouldn't do what a customer asks you because customers DON'T KNOW BEST!! The two performers would have played together quite happily,but for the next 6 months anyone playing on the upright would have winced because the tuning of the octaves was matched to the purer grand overtones.

Now regardless of overtones fourths and fifths seem to have been knocked out since the Fall. They are all but pure. So close in fact that the unitiated tune their guitar strings by means of harmonics which are altogether too pure if you want to be able to play in every key. This seems to hint that once upon a time 4ths 5ths and octaves once sounded absolutely pure one against the other, and just as many other features changed on earth, so the mathematics of sound vibration changed too.

I have described the octave as representing rightly related individuals in a locality, or another kind of meeting sliding together seemlessly as in Solomon's Temple. There is another model and this is more dynamic. This is the model that co-tunes itself. As in the 12 disciples who not only had Jesus shaping their behaviour by the power of His Word, but to a certain extent they would also have knocked each other into shape.
How do I know this? Because I was that man, among many women and men in Bible House who had the same effect on each other in the Holy Spirit. It is the Ezekiel 37 pattern of "bone rattling" which precedes the second prophesying which causes the army to stand fully clothed with flesh.

Now piano octaves do not tune themselves , more's the pity. But the Body of Christ builds itself up in love. Seamlessly.Quickly. Breathtakingly quickly. 'Look away for a while and it's already done' quickly. But only Christ builds Christ.

I'll say that again.
Only Christ can build Christ.

So are we clear then? If we want to play in one key, we may just about get away with tuning one scale with a perfect fourth and a perfect fifth. Sort of. But to be able to play in any of the 12 different keys at any time we have to detune each note, one against the other by an exact amount. This entails dividing an octave into twelve equal and rather abstract portions. It doesn't seem natural. In fact it isn't. It's mathematical. In the real world of tuning, for anyone that is following this, this pragmatically occurs by playing the note you are tuning along with a fourth and a fifth that you have tuned already and finding the mid point of "least" complaint. If you tune perfectly to the fourth, the fifth will complain, and vice-versa.So you have to find the midpoint where neither complains much. Then to finish your octave you must check that the beats in the thirds (GB,G#C,AC#,right up the scale) rise evenly. If all these criterion are met, congratulations, you have a perfect scale.

As Peter Stott always says Truth has tensions in it. See the suspended Orb Vision.
Just as the first octave has to be "meticulously detuned" for it to be tuned!!!! the Body of Christ cannot really work together in an immature state.
John Poole ministered in the Kansas City Shepherds Conference 1975 a key message on Unity. He reminded us that David prayed in Psalm 51 "Unite my heart to fear your name". If we as individuals are walking around with divided hearts: divided by fears of life, fear of ourselves, fear of man, a wrong fear of God (not the healthy one). Divided by agendas. False loves.
Then, John asked, how do we suppose the Body is ever going to be unified?

The middle realm known as the charismatic movement is a place of "downpayment", of "earnest" of our inheritance. The Holy Spirit falls and brings a unity of Spirit. We walk in this and maintain it until God brings the "unity of the faith".

So, to repeat, the bombshell in natural terms is that if you cycle round all the fifths in an octave tuning each perfectly , with no beats at all, why? Because it sounds pure. Then you will find that when you close the circle arriving back at the first note you began with, all your pure fifths added together , will have created an hideously overstretched octave.

But it sounded pure! But I was just going with the flow! How can it sound so awful?

So here we come to the awful truth about charismatic Christianity. If a group of individuals purely rely on what they "think" is flow without the other main point of reference which the Church is now being given, a complete unity and perfect incarnation of Christ cannot occur.

For the awful truth is this, according to 1 Corinthians 12, as it is for the strings of a piano. A man or woman will tend to be gift-centric.

Just as a string will want to be tuned a pure fourth or a pure fifth to another string. Strings don't think in terms of themselves, but if they did, this is how they would think.

Members of the Body on the other hand DO think in terms of themselves , their gifting and their own inclination. A teacher can think entirely according to doctrine, a prophet to their prophesying, a musician according to worship, a pastor to their pastoral care, a helper to their giving and helping.

In real terms, lived out in Christian community, this makes for an unpleasant rattling of the bones. A permanent state of tension between the different angles of seeing of the Body. What Peter Stott calls living in the tension of Truth.

The First Octave - but this time Three strings

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death." Proverbs 14:12
"But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!" Matthew 6:23

A longer passage from Ezekiel 8 :5- 16

5Then He said to me, "Son of man, F)">(F)raise your eyes now toward the north " So I raised my eyes toward the north, and behold, to the north of the altar gate was this G)">(G)idol of jealousy at the entrance.

6And He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great H)">(H)abominations which the house of Israel are committing here, so that I would be far from My sanctuary? But yet you will see still greater abominations."

7Then He brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, a hole in the wall.

8He said to me, "Son of man, now I)">(I)dig through the wall." So I dug through the wall, and behold, an entrance.

9And He said to me, "Go in and see the wicked abominations that they are committing here."

10So I entered and looked, and behold, every form of creeping things and beasts and detestable things, with all the idols of the house of Israel, were carved on the wall all around.

11Standing in front of them were J)">(J)seventy K)">(K)elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan standing among them, each man with his L)">(L)censer in his hand and the fragrance of the cloud of incense rising.

12Then He said to me, "Son of man, do you see what the elders of the house of Israel are committing in the dark, each man in the room of his carved images? For they say, 'M)">(M)The LORD does not see us; the LORD has N)">(N)forsaken the land.'"

13And He said to me, "Yet you will see still greater abominations which they are committing."

14Then He brought me to the entrance of the O)">(O)gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and behold, women were sitting there weeping for Tammuz.

15He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? Yet you will see still greater abominations than these."

16Then He brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house. And behold, at the entrance to the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their P)">(P)backs to the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east; and Q)">(Q)they were prostrating themselves eastward toward the sun.

How can it be that right in the place of worship things can be going so wrong. How can we as born again people of God at our spirit centre still be behaving so out of tune, so unnaturally towards that new Life we have been given. What are these creepy crawly squiffy lines of graffiti on the walls of our imaginings. How is it when we have such a lampstand of the Holy Spirit, and more than that, in our more inspired times the awareness of the Pure Light of God's actual Presence in the Holiest Place (He is the SUN that illumines heaven), that even here we should have our backs to God and be prostrating our selves to the natural sunlight? This speaks of returning to our natural wisdom. running meetings according to the OPPOSITE of Proverbs 3:5 , and not trusting God with all our heart and Not relying on our insight,
but in fact, yes trusting in our insight with all our heart and NOT RELYING on our Lord. RIGHT there in meetings.....let alone afterwards in Havant Macdonalds!!!


What we are saying is the entire charismatic movement has been running on a two string gospel.
It has not known about... or if it has, it has not acted on the message of the Two Goats:

the unknown, unheralded 2nd goat-
The next problem for God is, without resurrecting the first goat, how do you get over that the MAN OF SIN, the SIN PRINCIPLE, the INDWELLING BIAS to SIN, is left behind in hell, by a now empty Body of Jesus after the death on the Cross, with its spirit container opened up, and emptied out in the manner of a rubbish lorry at a waste site, municiipal site......how do you get that over to folk in the middle of a wilderness? Aha!

A second goat. This goat IS NOT to repeat the idea of sins being cast as far as the oceans away from you. You Pentecostals got that wrong.

No this is HUGE! This is what makes Church work! This is what makes Jews even want to come within smelling distance of the tragedy known as Christian Church. This second goat, represents the UTTER annhilation of your sin spirit at your spirit centre. You are a container for spirit, and you have a soul and a body. Your soul and your body have to catch up with what just happened.


Psalm 131 describes a people weaned from a life that is self-centered. That is always clamoring for that sense of greatness, specialness, me-ness. Now here's the irony that evangelicals wont tell you....they just stop at the negative and kind of leave you depressed. Well if evangelicals bothered to actually go the whole way with the Cross and come out the other side they would be able to tell you that this "clamoring for that sense of greatness, specialness, me-ness," is itself an electrical shortcircuit. As we connect with the One Life that is God,
He at our centre shows us how we were always planned to be. We can't be any more central to His plans for us. His plans through us. His plans in the Earth. All His Godness in us. All we had planned for ourselves was something like a Madame Tussauds stuffed version.

With a "single eyed" gospel we ONLY see God going on. What we don't "see", we don't do.

For eleven years now I have road-run this third level gospel right through a 2nd level church again. I have only spoken as the Spirit has given me utterance. He certainly , in the main hasn't given me liberty to go back into worshipleading, or any of the creative stuff I find natural to my personality. Within the context of 2ndlevel believing, yet with a sense of a thirst for more, in other words a church in transition, I have prophesied as I've been given stuff to share, and I've shared small snippets in a more relaxed way for no more than a few minutes. I have seen with my own eyes the effect of "breaking into" the apparent flow of a secondlevel meeting to bring more of the Presence of God, and what Ed Miller would call real flow.

The girls in Havant worship group were too young for the worship group 30 years ago in Emsworth, although they were in the meetings. But time and again Ed would allow us to rattle on for half an hour so, then without much ado, would quietly restart the meeting. We thought we were flowing. We were like those piano strings, wanting to be tuned to "what felt right" with no beating vibrations....only to be stopped short and retuned to heaven. Those who walk uprightly have an internal circumcision that is a product of months and years of right believing. Of "right internal seeing".

So both Ed Miller and Jack Schisler who had walked in many many waves of revival over localities and nations, would quietly sing some simple song of theirs like
Holy Spirit, You are welcome in this place, Holy Spirit you are welcome in this place,
Omnipotent Father of mercy and grace,
You are welcome in this place."

or a song from the past like :
Turn your eyes upon Jesus
Look Him full in the Face
And the things of Earth will grow strangely dim
In the Light of His wonder and Grace.

And heaven would fall.

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Charismatics don't know who is living their life. They wander in and out. I addressed our leaders on this many weeks ago and sure enough. They said with their own mouths they are two peas in a pod rattling around. Christ and them. Or them and the old man. And there's a continuous struggle.
Put worship in this framework and they have to spend yea long "getting into the Presence of God" What actually happens is by necessity of their "wrong seeing", when you seek to come in with real flow, it seems to them jarring...unnatural. Like tuning a perfect octave. Until they start seeing how the true Christ operates, the whole irony that they accuse us of, is theirs...they cannot "see beyond their self-effort"
their attainments
their struggles to enter and maintain the Presence of God.
Well ofcourse, David and the New cart episode showed what happens when we try to "maintain God", specially over a bumpy bit. Uzzah died.

The sad truth is if Andrew Elmes extends his present octave it will be a soul-winning evangelism machine with as many walking straight through the back door as come in. If Havant extend their current octave, as Peter has been doing all through Spain and some of the States, while he knows how to take some of the Presence of God with Him and get people attuned to this in measure, without the full "3 string" gospel he will continually hit on leadership problems and pyramid church structures and "putting out fires". I have for this reason refused to have anything to do with his ministry outside of our locality until he recognises what I am doing amongst them. If that does not occur, I feel confident that the same Holy Spirit who has joined me to similar "seers" on the net, can do so in the real world, and that He has a place for me somewhere in what He is bringing together.



The Third level Gospel produces a Pure Octave which can then be reproduced.
While ever people are tuning themselves to "Christ and", to "2 peas in a pod", to enjoying quiet fellowship with Jesus in Simon's house.....
we have to be like those friends who make a hole in Simon's neat roof, his neat religious ceiling,his religious restrictions, in order to let a cripple down in front of Jesus, in order that we have a "true meeting" of God's energy and Power.

I introduced 2 people to Havant recently and both were blown out the other side after only a few weeks. It boiled down to Christianity by committee. You see if you don't know who you are, you have to fall back on "Christ and."
Peter was talking about leadership and how much things have altered since his Brethren days, and especially now in regard to letting women minister alongside men in equal fashion, something a lot of people do not agree on.

According to my gospel, and the one I see in the New Testament, leaders are only there to facilitate the tuning procedure inside every born again believer. To lead them to their own True source of tuning according to Psalm 19 in the beginning of this series. To impart by means of Word the New Covenant in His Blood to every child of God.
They are not there to "lead them".
They are not there to derive benefit from the believers. Leaders are "made eunuchs" for the sake of the Kingdom of God.
Leaders should flow with you in the local "octave" of the Body.
If these two people I have mentioned feel excluded from our local octave....guess who has to change? And it's not the people. They will change anyway as they learn Christ as them. Shepherds hunt after the 1 that leaves the 99. Charismatic shepherds do not. Charismatic shepherds are paid anyway. It's bad for their productivity to go after the one and be like Jesus.

The truth is the 2nd level gospel of the "Holy Spirit" out at arms length and a separate "you" that is 2 peas in a pod, does not work. It can never create a true octave. You always end up manipulating the last bit that just won't bend into shape.

The Truth about the 3rd level Octave.

The truth about the 3rd level form of octave formed as we not only meet, but live together in the Name of Jesus, and He lives in and amongst us is even more fantastic still. (*$)
Unlike a piano octave, which sounds brilliant enough, the Body of Christ is dynamic.It has its own life which is released proactively when the psalm 133 dynamic of unity occurs. Note, this dynamic only occurs after the Psalm 131 weaning stage. Until people know they are Christ in their form, and have identified their inner seeing with this truth for a good period, you can forget the sort of line up God has planned in psalm 133.
This anointing brings Blessing and Overflow, yes to the group concerned, but God is always looking over His shoulder to see who He can bless through you. Who can He tune this octave too next?
Good Soil
Like anyone raised in Sunday school on the Parable of the Sower I used to see each soil type as representative of a type of person. And this is probably the first meaning. But the Holy Spirit has been showing me recently that it is also a parable arc of our one life. It is the story of how God gets us to be good soil. Really everything Rich Novek is currently writing is unearthing every bit of wrong seeing on our insides. If we allow God to strip out of our Ezekiel 8 temple Walls which is situated somewhere above the reality of Christ at our inner centre and somewhere below our conscious thinking, hidden away programming our days and weeks, if we see God only in this place, we will have this good soil.

We don't need to import anymore soil. God made us with perfect soil. It is just strewn with generations of stones, hardnesses,a lifetimes wrong seeing, of God......AND.....stuff. The disciples asked how do we get more faith? Jesus then began a bit of an alarming tale of servants first working a shattering day out in the field....then if that wasn't enough, he has them still stand and wait on Him until He is satisfied....then they get to the bit the disciples asked Him about.....

But after all this bleakness, in which they get to see ONLY GOD
by then their soil is pure.
"Unite my heart to fear Thy Name"
And the natural gift of the soil is to produce a harvest easily.
We've been travelling 200miles to make one convert and we make them as disease ridden in their soil, as confused in their "seeing" as we are.
That's why the third level gospel is so good and why the charismatic/pentecostal one hasn't been really working.
We felt we needed to add to it...
Pyramid structures ... New Frontiers, Salt and Light, Pioneer ministries.
we had to have a leadership tier because evidently the sheep dont feed themselves. Evidently they dont after you've made them sick with the gospel of Jesus AND.....
Selwyn Hughes Counselling Add ons.For the Individual Christian who was never properly built into an octave in the first place, now experiencing total fragmentation. Wonder why?

True octaves work
You dont have to keep manipulating them. Bodies of Christ (read the tin label) are not like piano strings. The genuine ones at least are self-tuning. The leaders don't have to do much. Poor things , they have to do what Paul did and go and open up fresh territories rather than spend 30 years in one locality producing no self-sustaining ministries.
It is stunning how fast the true gospel works as we read in the Bible compared with the lumpen UK charis asthmatic version we have.

We reproduce Christ in us as us. The knowledge of how we tune ourselves to Him both individually and as groups. It is real. It is not fake. It is Spirit reality. Once there, we move on. People dont need us. They have been established in their own ability to hear.

Not dragons over there but Romans 8 setting Creation Free Glory
Charismatic leaders are trained to preserve their tithing rights by keeping their flock in fear what will happen if they step out from the "covering". Well 23 years ago i was thrown out of the 2nd level and thrown out of "covering", and every day of every year since a dragon has eaten me for breakfast and spewn me out again so he can eat me the next day........NOT

The covering lie is a lie.
The truth is as we live Christ as us we are covered by Christ, He joins us to His Body as He alone knows how. If one section rejects us, we are knitted in with others who are walking in His purposes. But the final most glorious thing which you won't believe about these God octaves is they send creation freeing ripples out into their environment.

The secular world since the Fall has a had a huge disconnect from its surroundings. It poo poos the very idea that man is connected to his surroundings. The Word says different. Righteousness exalts a nation. A nation feels better to live in with an abundance of righteousness kicking around.

But as the Transformations series of DVDs show whole environments change. The third level gospel, this one that through Christ's death,burial and resurrection processes ends up in Romans 8 onwards type of intercessory living has fantastic unbelievable 3D effects. We become connected with our surroundings again! I saw a prototype of this with my very own eyes at Darmstadt's Community of Mary when I was only 16, when I went to learn from Mother Basilea Schlink about this third level gospel.

Saints, you don't have to fake the gospel. The real one moulds everything around you!!! And to such an octave, everyone will be attracted to tune!