1 John 2 .12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake. 13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. 14 I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
This morning I got an email from Father's House Trust who have relocated centrally in Watford....and one thing that caught my eye was loads of massage chairs where you can be professionally massaged.
Well there's repetition in different sequences. But anybody notice the Father gets mentioned in the children section and the Father section?
OK....so I am going to broker this one. In restoring the Father/Abba to the Christian gospel are there two things going on? The Holy Spirit clearly brought the Father gospel to the forefront after the Toronto Blessing....which chicken noises aside...brought a wave of revelation concerning God as our Daddy. Derek Prince, after 60 years ministering on Spiritual Warfare, had a revelation that God actually loved him!!!!! So if he wasn't scared to admit that nobody should be.
But this is what I am going to broker.....supposing the whole Church history is mapped out in the two repeated sequences....almost prophetically....well exactly prophetically. Supposing the initial headlong run into the new Covenant 33AD to 315AD before being snaffled by the Catholics....supposing an element wasn't in the foundations!!!!
Supposing that element....first by Catholic Spirit teacher Steve Martin in 1979....followed by the YWAM book in 1989....followed by Larry Lea's (Simpsons famous reference to shame) ministry revealing the power of Shame from Genesis 3....followed by Derek Prince/Toronto/Mark Stibbe.....supposing the entire Father teaching was the necessary missing STONE that is now , secondtime referred to in the phrase.... I have written to you, children, because you know the Father.
Surely you HAVE TO RELATE THAT TO.....Jeremiah 31....No more shall a man say to his brother Know the Lord for they shall all know Me from the least....(the children stage of knowing Him) to the greatest...(.the Father stage of knowing Him.)
OK....Got that? Well the child stage of knowing Daddy God, may not be the same as knowing/ being in union with the Father in all His revelation from the Beginning.
To even be able to take the immensity of His love and depth on board requires STORY......HIS STORY in our lives.
Was the initial revelation of Daddy to an orphan called Mark Stibbe, but who was adopted in an Oxford educated family, nay a CS Lewis educated father....was the plan all to end up in a Watford Christian massage parlour? Or was it to spearhead the THIRDLEVEL in Britain?
Who is Mark Stibbe? Well he's proof that a ministry can flourish, blossom, grow up through and ultimately out of an Anglican Ministry. Sharing a room at college with his best buddy UK evangelist J.John, he went on to front the amazing Chorleywood Church that employed the likes of Barry Kissell, way back during our Amersham school revival in 72. An orphan himself, in recent years he has been leading the Church out of an orphan mentality into the very Fatherhood of God. From Orphans to Heirs is a bestseller. 2 years ago he left Chorleywood to establish Father's House Trust. This (and this is me talking) has a dual aspect to its Intercession. On the ground, it involves establishing real world orphanages all over the world, but in the Spirit this is all paving a bridgehead into the epidemic of Fatherlessness in the world system....and probably the church too. Like Lydia Prince who was involved in a similar work in Jerusalem, the intercession works at two interlinked levels, opening future doors. This indeed is the hallmark of all 3rd level callings.
THE TRUTH WILL OUT- Prophetic Word for 2011
Fri 21st January, 1.01pm Mark Stibbe
One year ago many people in the UK were watching the reality TV show, Celebrity Big Brother. This isn’t a programme I particularly like nor is it one that I ever recommend but at that time something interesting was going on. The film star Stephen Baldwin (a committed Christian) was carrying his Bible around the house and conducting Bible studies for those who wanted to come along. He caused a lot of controversy but he also stimulated a degree of spiritual hunger in at least one of the Big Brother contestants. When actress Stephanie Beacham was interviewed on her own in the diary room she was asked whether she would miss Baldwin if he was evicted. Suddenly she broke down in tears. When asked why she was crying she replied that it wasn’t because she would miss Baldwin. It was because she would really miss the Bible. Between sobs and the surprised admission ‘I’m not acting’, she concluded by asking for the privilege of looking after the Bible when Baldwin left the house.
On the first Sunday of January 2011 I went to preach at Kingsgate Community Church in Peterborough (the church which Chris Moyles has praised so highly on Radio One). The leader of the church, Dave Smith, was running a three-part series on the Bible – ‘The Book that Changed the Planet’ – and invited me to give the first of these talks. As I was preaching, I became aware of a very strong anointing as I spoke about treasuring the truth of God’s Word. I became unusually animated and extremely passionate about the issue of Truth – so much so in fact that it surprised me. I quoted the Big Brother TV programme and made the comment that people outside the church are weeping over the Bible. I urged my listeners and indeed myself to go to a whole new level of honouring the Word of God and proclaiming the timeless truth of the Bible.
If you ask me what I think is on the Father’s heart for 2011 I think a lot has to do with the issue of truth. I’m sure that most of us are aware that this year is the 400th anniversary of the publication of the King James Version of the Bible. Radio 4 has been running some superb programmes on this great masterpiece and there has been a lot of discussion about its merits in the national Press. It seems that this is a moment in our nation’s history when people are really searching for some lasting landmarks in the unstable, shifting landscape of our times. Maybe people are becoming sick of the shallow relativism of our secular and humanistic culture. Maybe people are beginning to seek for some fixed points in a changing and turbulent universe.
In the Book of Nehemiah chapter 8, there’s a wonderful moment when the city walls have been rebuilt in Jerusalem and the people gather before their leaders. Ezra brings the scrolls of the Old Testament Book of the Law and the Levites begin to read and explain its beautiful truths. As this happens, the sound of weeping breaks out throughout the crowd as the people realise how much they love and have missed these words. As verse 9 says, ‘all the people had been weeping as they listened to the words of the Law’.
We are living in a very critical time in the UK – a time of great unrest and profound anxiety. This seems likely to increase in 2011 as Britain is gripped by storms, floods, water shortages, strikes, power cuts, unemployment and even unusual natural phenomena such as earthquakes. As everything is shaken around us, there will be a real longing for anchors that connect people with a deeper and more solid reality. The deepest and most lasting reality of all is the Father’s love and the Bible is our Father’s book; it is the only book that reveals his relentless love.
Recently I wrote The 100 Verse Bible, a small book that tells the story of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It was commissioned to be published this year in honour of the 400th anniversary of the publication of the King James Bible. In it I choose 100 verses that confirm the statement made by St Augustine: ‘if the entire Bible could be summed up in a single sentence, then it would cry out like the resounding waves of the sea, “The Father loves you”’.
I have never seen any of my books sell like this one. Thousands are flying off the shelves. We are hearing remarkable stories of non Christians reading it on underground trains and in pubs and classrooms and being deeply affected by its message. It seems that the truth of the Word is uncontainable. The church can’t keep it within its walls any longer. The Father wants his truth on the streets. He wants to pour out the Spirit and out his Truth back on the map. As Jesus promised his disciples in John 14:15-17: "If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counsellor to be with you forever- the Spirit of truth”.
I therefore have a strong sense that the Spirit of Truth is coming. Many churches have emphasized experience but neglected Truth. I believe this is a year when the Holy Spirit is going to bring experience and Truth together. It is a year in which many churches are going to communicate the Father’s truth in a clearer voice.
And that brings me to another thing that I sense the Father is saying about 2011. I believe this season is a season for breaking out of the church – for kicking out the walls. But - let me be very clear - I’m not talking about rebelling or about leaving church! I’m simply saying this is not a time for staying in the house and sitting passively at religious meetings. There is a breaker anointing upon many believers for this year and there will be a stunning fulfilment of Micah 2.13, ‘One who breaks open the way will go up before them; they will break through the gate and go out. Their king will pass through before them, the LORD at their head."
As this breakout occurs, there are two things I feel will characterize it. First of all, there will be a ‘revolution of kindness’; people will carry the Truth to those outside the church but they will do so with grace. Jesus was full of ‘grace and truth’ (John 1.14). Too often we have tried to communicate Truth without Grace. This is not the way of Jesus. Jesus spoke truth in a grace-saturated way. Those who are filled with the Spirit of Truth in this season will have a heightened capacity for speaking the wisdom of the Word in a way that is merciful, tender, loving and kind. They will see time and time again that it is the kindness of God that leads to repentance (Romans 2.4).
The second thing I believe we will see is a release of the artists. The people that will be given an extra grace for proclaiming the truth way will be the storytellers, screenplay writers, actors, composers, singers, painters and poets – among many others. They will be the ones who are inspired and mobilised to take the Father’s Truth to the lost and they will do this in dynamic, unconventional, entrepreneurial and adventurous ways that break the traditional, religious moulds.
Just before Christmas, there was a YouTube clip doing the rounds on Facebook. In fact, it went viral. It showed a choir of people in a shopping mall in the UK. They had situated themselves all over the food hall and at a carefully orchestrated moment they all began to sing the Hallelujah Chorus to the crowds of Christmas shoppers. These spectators at first looked startled, then delighted, and finally moved by these exceptional voices. It was wonderful to see the words of the Bible brought to so many non-church goers in such an ‘out of the box way’. This was truth being communicated by artists. It was truth communicated with grace – indeed, unlike their lunches, the concert was free.
And so I return to where I began. This is a turbulent season, no doubt, but this is also a time when the Spirit of Truth is on the move. More and more will come to say;
"Your statutes are wonderful; therefore I obey them. The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple. I open my mouth and pant, longing for your commands. Turn to me and have mercy on me, as you always do to those who love your name. Direct my footsteps according to your word; let no sin rule over me. Redeem me from the oppression of men, that I may obey your precepts. Make your face shine upon your servant and teach me your decrees. Streams of tears flow from my eyes, for your law is not obeyed..."
Psalm 119.129-136
A year ago, there was weeping over the Word on Celebrity Big Brother. In the same month, I took my family to see a movie at our local cinema – a movie starring Denzel Washington called The Book of Eli, which worldwide grossed over $150 million. The film (directed by the Hughes brothers) portrays an apocalyptic landscape thirty years after the devastation of nuclear war. Denzel Washington is on a mission. He has the last remaining copy of the King James Version of the Bible which he is guarding. He has also memorised every word from Genesis to Revelation in case the book gets lost or stolen. For Eli, this book is worth cherishing and preserving. It is in fact a book worth dying for.
So, what we have here is a mainstream blockbuster about the Bible?! Something is truly going on.
Truth is being restored to the church and a longing for the Truth is stirring in the world. As Jesus said in John 8.32,
‘You will know the truth and the truth will set you free’.
Continuation from Mark Stibbe's Prophetic Talk given at last year's RiverCamp2009 on the second seal. ------------------------------
2Timothy2:19
Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm,
sealed with this inscription:
"The Lord knows those who are His," and,
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
My notes in blue: The main gist so far in the worldwide Spirit-filled community is that we have been getting to know the Lord in a new,living, real way and now we move onto the 2nd seal which is a call to holiness. Both Peter and Mark Stibbe approach this subject with much fear and trembling, because of their own "legal" pasts. Holiness, true holiness , they are aware, is not the stultifying obedience to a set of rules and commandments, going back again to lawbook-living.
Before we go to Peter's message on conscience, can I point out that from a 3rdlevel point of view, the order of these two seals above are very key.
It's not us knowing the Lord. It is Him KNOWING(sexual union word) us. So you can forget the second seal until you have first laid a foundation as follows:
that the former 0wner /occupier , Satan, since Genesis 3:5 , has now been driven out. The Lord knowing us is a very deep phrase which describes the experiential process, the conscious process of LEARNING HIM as Our New INDWELLER. That we only ever were, and continue to be, spirit containers; before we were born again, containers for the Satan spirit,since we were born again, containers of Jesus.
As Christians, because of ignorance and our own limited understanding of scriptures,and also because just about all the main Christian teachers in the worldwide Body of Christ still teach "separation": Christ and a separate me, who is trying ,through godly pursuits, to better him/herself, we are unable it seems to read Romans, Colossians,Ephesians etc the way they were originally understood.
How do I know that? Well, as in tuning pianos, thankfully there is an inbuilt natural check and balance system. How do I know when first a note made up of three identical strings, then second the entire first octave of a piano are exactly in tune? Well, simple really (and this is a bit of an oversimplification you techie purists), there are NO BEATS. When there is dischord, the differences show up as unpleasant extra vibrations called beats. (Techie moment:If A440 beats per second is played against A441...you only hear the straggly one beat per second difference wowing between the 2 strings)
In the Body...you know when the teaching is right
People live free....yup...amazingly enough...that's OUTSIDE of meetings
secondly "these signs follow after those that believe."
So you can tell a 2nd level community of believers who are still "stuck " in the independent delusion:
All sorts of sin is still going on behind the scenes which creates peculiar B.O. when the saints gather together in meetings
There are only spasmodic signs following in a random hit or miss kind of way....usually after only gazillions of prayer or bursts of spiritual concentration...as Rob Rufus describes the early 80s for him.
Where "separation" is still implied in the teaching, you are not dismantling the false consciousness that was sown back in Genesis by the devil, whose genius was to come up with something sooooooo like the real thing, that even squinting very closely at our history, at all mankind's mistakes, we still were only ever putting on the devil's own specs....."If the (very)light that is within you is darkness....HOW GREAT is that darkness."
and it has taken all these millennia to trap what is going on, and continue what Jesus came for, to lay the axe to the root. ___________________________
Peter Stott : "The Second Seal and Conscience" from notes - ACWelch. June 6th Havant Main Sunday meeting.
The call to holiness is a call to come alive again. We are fearfully and wonderfully made. The component parts to our makeup have been seriously clogged up and damaged by sin, and the shame of sin.
Here are a list of some of our abilities and gifts that really only come into their own again when we have received Jesus into our lives, and we are walking closely with Him.
Memory - a powerful tool for recalling the ways God has blessed us and come through for us in the past.
Imagination and creativity - our drive to experiment with the new in every area of our life knows literally no bounds
Will - a curse when wayward, but a powerful driving force in God
Conscience - this is the subject of this talk. Sin damages.Clogs up.Wrecks our self-image.Causes shame. Both when it's our fault and when it isn't. (The Bulger murder case didn't just affect those concerned, it brought a measure of shame to our nation. "Righteousness exalts a nation.")
Sin is unattractive in people. It dulls. Righteousness has an attractive radiance about it. A liveliness. A clean conscience gives strength, forcefulness, authority.
Innocence Lost - by Steve Taylor from 1987 Album ironically titled "I Predict 1990". The end makes me want to cry.
Ever hear the sound of a death row chorus? ever see the look of a wolfman prowling the steps? in this deep freeze bunker they store us send away the priest, 'cause they're ain't nothing more to confess
She had the innocent eyes of a Renoir lady clutched her black book like an angel nursing a child "It's a quarter to midnight here, baby if you're gonna stare, do it while I'm sleeping"
But her eyes, they shone of an innocent way... in her eyes, we glimpsed of an innocent way... and in the days that followed we were under a spell why's the girl visiting a prison cell?
Innocence, innocence, innocence lost all souls want it back some uncover the cost innocence, innocence lost break free, look at me is your innocence lost?
He'd seen things that a man don't mention sunk into his eyes was a weariness nothing could heal "Don't tell me 'bout your cheap salvation what's a man do when he don't feel nothing?"
But her eyes, they shone of an innocent way...
She said, "Beyond these bars there are things you can't see" He spoke slowly "Ain't no pardon for me"
Innocence, innocence, innocence lost all souls want it back some uncover the cost innocence, innocence lost she said, "Look at me, don't you, don't you lose your innocence don't lose your innocence" he said, "God's own angels couldn't give me hope when you leave me hanging, just leave me enough rope"
But her eyes he glimpsed of an innocent way...
And on the eve of destruction they were shining the chair outside vigils, inside men were sobbing as she kissed his forehead when the morning had dawned he said softly to her, "I'll see you beyond"
Peter continues:
The Apostle Paul in Acts 24:16 "I strive to have a pure conscience before God and men"
Conscience is your friend. It is a fabulous tool when healthy, because it discerns good from evil. It tells you ahead of time to get the heck out of there, before you get enmeshed.
So a healthy conscience is Pro-active not Retroactive as it has come to mean in a sinful world.
It says AHEAD of time....Keep away. It is like a sensitised sense of spiritual smell.
Conscience can be corrupted. It says in Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
The Holy Spirit can tell us to stop doing things for a while in order that we get freed up from any false soul/spirit attachments. If we are not careful, these temporary arrangements enter into the lore of our Christian movement, as a dead work, shaping our consciences falsely . In the 30s Pentecostal women felt it was a leading NOT to be attached to makeup. This then entered the lore of the movement, as if it was a permanent law of righteousness.
1 Timothy 4:2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. If our consciences have been so badly calloused, we are unable to correctly assess things. We begin calling bad things good.
We can have a weakened conscience. A strong conscience is one that is connected to our will. Otherwise we assent intellectually to something, but as soon as we are strongly enticed, all our notions go to the wind.
Shame is the dregs of what remains after sin.
Paul says in Timothy " I thank God I serve Him from a pure conscience
2Tim 1:3 I thank God, whom I serve, as my forefathers did, with a clear conscience, as night and day I constantly remember you in my prayers.
I Timothy 1:5 "The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith." How much expression of love is needlessly forfeited through bad conscience clogging us up?
Third-level teachingis so good at getting to the heart of things enabling a truly clear conscience.
If you understand that all you are is a container, and that sin was ousted completely at the cross, and the New-Indweller who is Christ has now come in, you at last have a foundation that is Word and Spirit to combat
shame, inferiority feelings, self-loathing, general yukky feelings...
We have a foundation now to speak to the devil with.
I decide to believe what the Word says about me, until the feelings and thoughts tag along and fall into line with my new believing.
After a while we get better at recognising what is genuinely our conscience, and what are just bad feelings that are still according to the lies I believed about myself.
Peter continues: our baptism into Christ expressed in water baptism, cleanses our conscience.
This could never happen before in the Old Testament system of sacrifices of bulls and goats. But Jesus did a complete thing for us - see the next post The Two Deliverances at the Cross chapter 4 - Treasures of Darkness by Sylvia Pearce.
Peter Stott: How to Keep a good conscience
By the Blood, The Word, and the Spirit.
-By keeping short accounts and going to sleep with a clear conscience.
-By soaking, or exposing ourselves to good stuff. Just generally taking care of what we are feeding on.
A clear conscience is a joyful thing, and joy brings strength with it.
By lining up our conscience with the Word and the Spirit. "Thy Word is a light unto my feet"
The Result.....
A confidence without boasting. It's not a self-confidence in our own works...but a clear conscience in regard to our dealings with God and man.
And learning to use that inbuilt umpire of peace that we received when we were born again. Let the Peace of God rule or umpire in your heart.
To live among a people that just simply acknowledge their sin before the Living God and His Presence, that take His righteousness offered as a free gift, and then, living unclogged, free to love others, to rightly relate....to lose these heavy clouds of depression and cynicism, to do away the dependance on stimulants, anti depressants, because innocence has returned, a lightness of spirit, joy strength and confidence....instead of having to live in our current rather numb Western culture. End of talk
This began as two comments on Facebook from Merrill Thompson and Francois Dutoit. Heidi Baker is at Rivercamp 2010 with Mark Stibbe. Now Heidi and Rolland run meetings very similar to Key of David. The main difference being that absolutely anyone in the room can be used to lead at different times in a Key of David meeting. ******************************
'GOD'S PLEASURE IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A PLEASURE IN HIS SON'..by..John Piper Share Today at 17:13 'GOD'S PLEASURE IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A PLEASURE IN HIS SON". The Bible reveals this to us while showing us the face of Jesus shining like the sun. In Matthew 17 Jesus takes Peter, James, and John up on a high mountain. When they are all alone something utterly astonishing happens. Suddenly God pulls back the curtain of the incarnation and lets the kingly glory of the Son of God shine through. 'His face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light' (v.2). Peter and the others were stunned. Near the end of his life Peter wrote that he had seen the Majestic Glory on the holy mountain, and that he had heard a voice from heaven, 'This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him' (2 Peter 1:17-18; Matthew 17:5). When God declares openly that he loves and delights in his Son, he gives a visual demonstration of the Son's unimaginable glory. His face shown like the sun, his garments became translucent with light, and the disciples fell on their faces (Matthew 17:6). The point is not merely that humans should stand in awe of such a glory, but that God himself takes full pleasure in the radiance of his Son. He reveals him in blinding light and then says, "This is my delight!" . . . I thought to myself, surely this is one thing implied in John 17:26 ["that the love you have loved me with may be in them, and I may be in them"--NET Version]--that the day is coming when I will have the capacity to delight in the Son the way the Father does. My fragile eyes will get the power to take in the glory of the Son shining in his full strength just the way the Father does. The pleasure God has in his Son will become my pleasure, and I will not be consumed but enthralled for ever" [italics mine]. (John Piper, The Pleasures of God, pps.25, 26) ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Merrill Thompson No man therefore can reach God with his love, or have union with him by it, but he who is inspired with that one same Spirit of love, with which God loved himself from all eternity, and before there was any creature. Infinite hosts of new created heavenly beings can begin no new kind of love of God, nor have the least power of beginning to love him at all, but so far as his own Holy Spirit of love, wherewith he hath from all eternity loved himself, is brought to life in them. This love, that was then in God alone, can be the only love in creatures that can draw them to God; they can have no power of cleaving to him, of willing that which he wills, or adoring the divine nature, but by partaking of that eternal Spirit of love; and therefore the continual immediate inspiration or operation of the Holy Spirit, is the one only possible ground of our continually loving God. And of this inspired love, and no other, it is that St. John says, ''He that dwelleth in love, dwelleth in God.'' Suppose it to be any other love, brought forth by any other thing but the Spirit of God breathing his own love in us, and then it cannot be true, that he who dwells in such love, dwells in God...an excerpt William Law.."Only God is Good" about an hour ago · Report :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Chris Welch Wow. Also amazing because all afternoon while tuning was pondering doing some sort of Close Encounters of the Third kind Facebook post concerning the Transfiguration. Actually the odds of that are quite staggering when you think about it. Our Key of David meetings here are very much where we let God set the agenda. We usually open up in praise but with one ear and eye open to seeing what God is saying. They are not so much meetings as a bunch of people entering into that very relationship that God has within Himself from the beginning. Literally anything can happen at these meetings. What we are feeling is that as we get more established in them we will be exporting this way of doing things all over the world. In a way Peter Stott has already begun with that 6000 member Chicago New Life Church, and various other networks in Spain. I think this was the pattern Evan Roberts found in Wales in 1906.
This afternoon I was carrying onto the next bit of John Crowder's "Miracle Workers,Reformers and the New Mystics" and I reached the section I reproduce below. It is like a huge section of today's church script - both meetings - if we worked from one, with other sections from my series on Third level Approach to Ministry. Havant Church is going through a bit of a change. When we went to RIVERcamp and heard Mark Stibbe on "The Second Seal", (you can order this from the RIVERcamp website)Peter Stott felt a release of a word he first began sharing over 20 years ago.
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal,
"The Lord KNOWS those who are His" and
"Let everyone who names the name of the Lord abstain from wickedness."
In short....after intimacy....comes a tremendous cleansing. But as well as this message, there was a sense of us as men being Gatekeepers to this new move. Perhaps that is the real reason for the current all out war on our minds to try to paralyse us. I'm talking about the floodgates of the availability of porn, and unhealthy media.
Really, the true battle is right here....men standing up and pulling a fresh wave of the Holy Spirit straight out of heaven!!
Here is the John Crowder extract:
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Extract from Miracle Workers, Reformers and the New Mystics by John Crowder. Chapter 5 Hidden Streams page 122
ANCIENT DESTINY We can't keep our pulse on everything the Lord has done throughout history. But the first step to catching up on the groundwork He has laid for us is simply to draw close to Him. In this day and hour, we are being given the key to open and close gateways of good and evil from the past. We are being given the Key of David, which unlocks doors that no man can close and closes doors no man can open. That key is rooted in intimacy. David was a man of worship—a man after God's own heart. Jesus is the Son of David. The fruit of one who walks intimately with the Lord will always be Jesus. The church, like Mary, is called to give birth to an expression of Jesus on the earth. We are a womb to release the invisible into the realm of the visible. To do so, requires intimate union with the Holy Spirit. Restoration of these ancient streams is our legal due in this hour, but moreover, it is God's loving desire for us. Above all, He wants to restore intimacy. How is this divine passion being revived in our day? The Lord's hand has been restoring the Tabernacle of David (Amos 9:11) through the worship and intercession movement of recent decades. David's Tabernacle was a place of 24-hour praise and worship, where one could have open and intimate access to the presence of God before the Ark of the Covenant, without going through the Mosaic rituals.Worship is a powerful place of intimacy which engages our hearts (in Isaiah 6, we read that a hardened heart is the first step in blinding our spiritual eyes and ears). Out of this intimacy, we learn to hear God, and prophecy is born. Out of prophecy, we learn to obey God's specific directives that release miracles, healings, signs, and wonders. And out of the miraculous, evangelism and harvest are released. Revival starts with worship. The harvest boils down to intimacy. Why does God want souls saved anyway, except to draw hearts back to Him? It is beyond belief what is coming to the face of the earth. Beyond articulation. The intensity of spiritual activity will make us either great men or crazy men. By the end of the age, men will be fully possessed by God or they will be fully possessed by the devil. But it will be impossible to live in those days without being possessed. We are designed to be consumed by God's love. We have a choice to be fully consumed by Heaven or hell, but we will be consumed. With this full consummation of love, we are about to see the reproduction of every Spirit-filled ministry from the time of creation poured out in one lump sum. God is redigging old wells because the destiny of many ministries were cut short. When God plants a ministry, His chief intent is to see it multiply and reproduce.The work of a minister is not just to evangelize, prophesy, pastor, or teach. The work of a minister is to duplicate himself—to raise up other evangelists, prophets, pastors, teachers, and apostles. In fact, such reproduction is specifically a chief focus of apostolic ministries, since apostles are called as fathers, who raise up children and establish churches as "wise master builders." But all of these fivefold office gifts were given "until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ" (Eph. 4:13). Surely, countless ministers have gone on before us without reaching this ultimate level of success: Bringing unity and maturity to all, and causing all to attain to complete fullness of Christ. Not all have fully reproduced. Of course, the success of a ministry is not measured by how many people we have in our services—not even necessarily by how many people we have raised up to function at our own level of gifting. True success comes when the baton is passed on to the next generation and they exceed our level of ministry and gifting. The true test of adequate equipping is when the successive generation takes more ground than we did. The children must reach further than the fathers. They must go farther-build higher-on the foundations we have laid.
The great drawback for the churches in the world, and more specifically in our neighbourhood, is that Jesus is alive. Every day is not the same.
Nevermind that thirty years ago Emsworth received repeated visits from a man that in his lifetime, co operated with the God of Gods to see Argentina turned round from being a quiet part Christian part superstitious Catholic religious country, to being one that had been invaded with a gospel of resurrection power.... Emsworth Anglican Church, Emsworth Methodist Church, (in whose building some of the meetings occurred)Emsworth United Reformed Church, Emsworth Quaker meeting, Emsworth Baptist Church...well, none of them knew or even cared anything about it. And certainly in the same way at least, this historic event is unlikely to happen again. Ever. Every one of the churches listed had already decided who they were going to receive from. They had their own agendas. Their own rotas. Their own procedures. It was of absolute irrelevance to them that a man of the standing and national authority before God of Ed Miller was even in the town. One day before God's Throne they will be absolutely amazed and shattered how they could have missed this.
But the decision is made on your insides first. Then the aftermath of that decision results in God events. The only reason I even know about these events is I was there. And I was only there because in the last term of my first year at Exeter University I knew God was calling my insides. I knew I had to make a decision that was really hard in career terms, but I knew if I did not respond then, and only then, a door might be shut on my calling forever. It was by no means a straight path to Emsworth. But for the years I would have been completing my Combined Honours German and French Language Degree I received in my spirit a complete download about the 3rd Level, about how you enter, about Jacob our prototype, about the mechanics of seeking God, about coming into God's Living Presence individually and as a church community, about the "apparent" abandonment you go through the nearer you attain your goal, and about some of the core principles of intercession over towns, regions and nations.
And if I'd obeyed English logic. I would have missed it. If not forever...certainly in its intensity, clarity and brevity.
So the great problem for Christians, for churches, for networks of churches, for ministries is that Jesus is alive. It would be so much easier if He wasn't!!
We have to know Him in the Spirit. When He speaks. His commands. His grandiose plans. And our part in it all.
Jesus never does exactly the same thing twice. He engineered an open heaven over our Dr Challoner's grammar school: a brief window the summer term of 1972. He has now arranged for the owner of the Entertainer chain of toy shops, which began in Amersham just over the road from my school, to help lead the area forward in God. But guess what, last year Jesus even bypassed this vessel, although using the Trust land that he had purchased, and the Lord arranged for a mighty troupe of military angels to so swoop overhead of a man who was mowing the field, that he ducked to avoid the loud roaring sound. This was in between Latimer and Chesham, just down in the Chess Valley from Amersham.
As a result, and with co operation also from Mark Stibbe and Roy Field(last years's Lakeland Outpouring) a large marquee was put up in the field and many came to the Lord and rededicated their lives. One of the musicians in Southampton Church went to visit. (friend of Mike Thom and co-author with Mike of one of the songs on Roy's new CD)He said the Presence of God was so strong there, he could have left Earth there and then. He certainly never wanted to leave the marquee.
This is where I grew up. This is where I walked on Sundays with Dad and Mum and my brother Martin. Yet all three locations, although close, are all different. All not what you would think. Unexpected. The Melchizedek Order. Mostly unrelated to what had gone before. Totally new wineskins. Next week is another week event in the marquee down on the field. see http://www.restorehopelatimer.com/
This introduction is to give a background to what has been going on in Eastern Europe. Many including Nicholas and Pam (see reference below) were sent into these nations to open them up. That period has now ended and Nicholas and Pam have been experiencing harvest. Another of God's workmen working to Divine instructions, timing and impossibility is David Hathaway. Here are sections of August and September newsletters:
July 2009
Dear Ministry Partner I want to rejoice and praise the Lord for all that He has done and still is going to do this year! Despite the recession and our financial problems, we have continued in faith. The result is that in the first half of the year we have seen more of the power of God than ever before —evidenced in the results of our missions! However now we need to see that faith financially to pay the bills! Our two crusades in Poprad and Kosice, Slovakia, were a tremendous blessing. Thousands attended, almost all the unbelievers gave their lives to Christ — including drug addicts and alcoholics — and many (especially men) were healed. I found the people of Slovakia warm and friendly and very open to the Gospel. The local secular TV filmed the opening service and interviewed some of those who were healed. God's favour is being shown because the government of Slovakia is giving recompense to the believers who were persecuted under communism! The State TV (STV) is broadcasting our crusades — using our material —to the whole nation — absolutely FREE!
Picture of man with acid burn in his eyes - now I can see clearly. Much intense prayer and preparation also went into the evangelism in Kharkov and the blessing of God was very evident. The thousands attending each meeting increased until the hall was full for the closing service with more than a thousand repenting each night. During the daytime services for believers many were touched by the Holy Spirit. One of the pastors who organised told us that his grandfather was killed by the communists for his faith, and when his mother was baptised age 12, after receiving Christ, the pastor who baptised her was given 14 years hard labour in prison for baptising a minor! No wonder that our TV cameras show many weeping when I spoke of my own experience in prison and how it brought me into a new relationship with our Heavenly Father! The pastors said it was the most powerful crusade with more repenting than since the early days of the freedom from communism. We are seeking the Lord earnestly for the finance to continue and complete this year's programme of evangelism especially in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, in October and the big Russian evangelism in Perm scheduled just 10 days before my visa expires in November! We still need more than f250,000 to cover basic costs. The large 12,000 seat arena in Vilnius alone costs £100,000 to rent, including sound systems, lighting, seating and security against terrorism! Because of the economic situation, the local people can only contribute free labour! But we expect this to be the largest evangelism ever in the Baltic region — and in Europe — for many years! It will not only bring thousands to Christ, but also show Europe that Jesus Christ is alive in power and stem the tide of secularism sweeping through the EU Can you see how, despite the economic crisis, God is sending a new FIRE of the Holy Spirit — now? Remember how I told you in my last letter how three evangelistic missions in Armenia in April changed the nation? Right now we are beginning regular broadcasts to the whole nation on national TV!
We ask for your prayerful support for the financial crisis we are facing. We have big legal bill: the Christian solicitor in Ukraine, who fought the court battles to get back our original property in Kiev which had been stolen from us, needs her fees paying immediately. She had originally agreed to wait until the property was sold, but in the meantime she has had major surgery for cancer and has to pay huge medical bills, at the same time as losing income whilst unable to work. We need to give her E40,000 now, which we will recover later from the sale of the property.See next letter We have just received a phenomenal answer to prayer. Because of our financial situation, we held a powerful office prayer meeting and, within hours, the Lord had begun to answer! Because of the lack of finance last year we cancelled our weekly German TV broadcasts on 'Das Vierte'. But after the prayer meeting I received a call from the TV Company saying that they have received a letter from a lady in Germany who had cancer; she was so moved by our broadcasts, that she prayed and God healed her! Now she is going round the churches testifying and telling people to watch the programmes in faith! Now, Das Vierte so want our programmes back — which are the only ones giving an altar call and prayer for the sick in Germany — they are offering us a miracle — if we clear what we owe them, they will resume broadcasting our weekly TV programmes until next March — absolutely free of charge What a miracle — pay the account and receive free broadcasts! We are accepting in faith! I want to add two more crusades into this year's schedule — God is about to show what He can do when men repent! If it can happen in Russia, God will do it in the rest of Europe —which is my next challenge! But I desperately need your support — lack of finance is still holding me back. I want to thank all of you who are continuing to give sacrificially — these are difficult times and your response is a wonderful and miraculous answer to prayer.
September 09
Dear Ministry Partner 'Together we rejoice and praise the Lord for all that He has done and still is going to do this year!
Despite the recession and our financial problems, we have continued in faith. The result is that in the first eight months of the year we have seen more of the power of God than ever before – evidenced in the results of our Missions! At the beginning of August I ministered in the former East German city of Erfurt for the Vietnamese 'boat people' – over 600 attended this year and they have promised 800 will come next year when I return for their next summer conference! The miracle of their escape from that land and the revival that has broken out amongst these refugees is phenomenal. – Delegates came from several other countries in Europe where God has placed them, all hungry for the Holy Spirit, to receive the Fire and evangelise, –Their willingness to give their lives is a powerful challenge to us in the comfort of our churches!!
August has been quieter – spending time with my family – and preparing for the hectic schedule for the rest of the year. Vilnius, Lithuania, then Perm in Russia, followed by November and December evangelising in a totally new area – Singapore, Malaysia and South East Asia – possibly ending with a crusade with between 25,000-100,000 in a country in South East Asia which I dare not mention because it is forbidden territory – evangelism is banned by law – but when God calls He makes the impossible to happen! Last year 20,000 gathered spontaneously, miraculously – this year – could be up to 100,000. When this happens it will shake other nations! But I have the invitation, and the planning has already commenced. When it is finally revealed you will be thrilled! At the moment I need you to pray that God will give me the courage to accept and face the consequences!The TV ministry in Armenia is producing much fruit, the first results are coming in – preparing for the big Crusade next year – a football stadium seating 25,000 – or if our faith is strong enough even the 100,000 seat stadium! Two of our British supporters – retired, not wealthy – are paying all the cost of these TV broadcasts for the next six months! As they have seen the response, they say that it is the best investment of their lives!
Thank you for your response to our appeal for the Crusade in Lithuania – we needed :E300,000 and already you have given EIL85,000 – so praise the Lord, everything is going ahead, and the rest is coming in — and going out — daily! Thank you for praying and giving. — The Christian lawyer in Ukraine, whom we mentioned in our last newsletter, is paid — and we have received an offer for the property in Kiev which we needed to sell. —This is quite a miraculous answer to prayer, not as much as we needed, but in the present economic crisis when property prices have totally collapsed in Ukraine, a small help towards our situation and a token of what God will do. for now we have an extremely urgent need for prayer. — Russian businessmen until now have helped finance our Russian crusades, but the money was only a loan. Because of the desperate situation and financial crisis in Russia itself we must repay $150,000 by 10 September! We have no reserves — we are only channels, so when you give, your gifts go straight to winning the lost for Him, while the touch of your sacrifice is still as warm as your love for Christ! Only a miracle can provide $150,000 (approx E100,000) in such a short time. My reply to the Russian request was simple — we have no money, but we have prayed and God never fails, we stand in faith that the money will be there on time on 10 September! God always answers — we talk about faith for healing — but now we need to see that faith financially to pay the bills! I have found that there are three stages in every great work of God: first, it is impossible, then it is difficult, then it is done. Hudson Taylor We are seeking the Lord earnestly for the Fire of the Holy Spirit to enable us to continue and complete this year's programme of evangelism especially in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania in October and the big Russian evangelism in Perm scheduled just 10 days before my visa expires in November! We expect Lithuania to be the largest evangelism ever in the Baltic region, not just nationwide — possibly the largest in Europe! It will not only bring many thousands to Christ, but also show Europe that Jesus Christ is alive in power and stem the tide of secularism sweeping through the ELI. I have added more crusades into this year's schedule — God is about to show what He can do when men repent! If it can happen in Russia — God will do it in the rest of Europe! This is my next challenge, but I desperately need your support. I want to thank all of you who are continuing to give sacrificially — these are difficult times and your response is a wonderful and miraculous answer to prayer. Thank you in Jesus Name! Thank you in Jesus' Name!
I'm not sure it's hit everyone yet.... a) what this blog is about and b) how huge the implications are. Think huuuuuuuuge.
Gerald Coates and John Noble immediately saw the ramifications of what a true Spirit-filled people in the Earth would be. And they produced "Fulness " magazine. The distinction was this. "Restoration" magazine saw God restoring the church to a place where it would propel the message of the gospel out into the four corners of the Earth. "Fulness" magazine could see that God doesn't want to just save us to inhabit church meetings...He wants to fill us with the Fulness of Himself so we learn to carry on where Adam left off...living out our whole lives in a newness of life, issuing out of a relationship with God Himself. Perhaps a broader vision than just having charismatics exporting charismatic meetings everywhere.
Thing was....we only had secondlevel equipment at the time. And as fabulous as it was to prance about to Christine Noble's freedom dances....and to hire big halls and events and call them banquets......we were all just secondlevellers attending bigger meetings!!!!
But Maurice Smith's vision "The Glorious Church" is accurate. Gerald Coates and John Noble both saw that this was going to be nothing short of a new Reformation....maybe one that would put the Lutheran and Calvinist one right in the shade!!!
So this post is a kind of summary. In an unsubtle manner I am pointing with a 60 foot finger to the strands we have covered so far.
It all went wrong in the Garden...so this is where God is starting again. Most gracebloggers...in fact let's be clearer...just about all the charismatic movement...start too late. Tonight you can probably watch Creflo Dollar or Kenneth Copeland or Jesse Duplantis starting at Deuteronomy 28...declaring how God is reversing these Chapter 28 curses into the blessings at the beginning of the chapter.
Well....the gospel's better than that!!! See, you can have all those blessings and still feel as desperate as Dan Bowen does at times. I had no idea that was what was behind the cutting. Truly I feel torn apart when I read this...because you see folks...we are all in this together...we are all joined!!! And quite apart from this...although Jesus demands a total seriousness of heart regarding sin.....just as He does different aspects of sin...like fear...when He says...don't fear him who has power to hurt the body or kill...fear Him who has the Power over the 2nd Death...He who has the power to cast into hell... Or regarding wealth...it is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle....etc etc...or before removing the speck in your brother's eye, take the log out of your own....
These are all serious statements in the Spirit....but not meaning we have to take a knife to ourselves....but having got our attention He wants to tell us something worse....He has killed us. He killed us on the Cross, then bound up the resurrected remains in Himself...so if we want to find life and deliverance...we have to peer into Him in heaven to see Dan Bowen hidden with Christ in God. Then what we peer into in heaven becomes manifest out through our bodies on earth. Which is a far less bloody way of dealing with things...the only blood ofcourse being already shed 2000 years ago!!! Back to the post............
So what went wrong in Genesis 3? And what went right for us when Christ died and was raised to the right hand of God the Father.
It's this simple..........PERIOD. ADAM reached out an arm and grabbed a fruit.As he did so a false spirit entered his spirit chamber.Permanently. At the Cross, this false spirit was ejected from our spirit chamber.Permanently. Now we reach out an arm, leg,.....anything....believing it is Christ as me...in my form. PERIOD.This is expanded on here
Some Doors and Gates slammed shut. This has caused seismic problems for us. This and the reversal of this curse is discussed in Peter Stott's blockbuster message on Psalm 24 (Split into 4 parts)
Last year and this year has been for our Havant church a completely fresh understanding of God as Father. Peter Stott has talked on intimacy with God for ages...but somehow it has been and still is God's timing for opening this as a well of understanding and revelation in the church.
Both the Havant May2008 Who is the King of Glory Conference - particularly Clive Jackson of Shaftsbury....and then Mark Stibbe's messages in RiverCamp2008 opened this whole area.
In Chapter 7 of Orphans and Heirs Mark Stibbe writes about the cycle of grace.Original source Frank Lake"Clinical Theology".
The Cross restores this cycle to the right order.Acceptance - Feeding on it -til it becomes a fixed thing in us-then out of that we achieve.Beforehand, we were operating in reverse. It was a cycle of Law. Feeling hollow and useless we try to achieve,to work - to get a feeling of worth - then out of that to try and gain acceptance.Churches are full of this stuff. It is not my intention to say any more about this, because his book can be purchased here .But it is very important material. Just to say there is a very interesting paragraph on Jonathan Edwards.
One of the questionable aspects in the charismatic renewal has been the tendency to trust in external sensations rather than inward communion as the basis of assurance. There has been an unspoken tendency to thirst after bodily reactions to God's power more than the inner testimony of the Spirit. This has created a culture in which shaking, falling, laughing, weeping, jerking and groaning have become the only signs that God truly loves and accepts us. Those who experience these things feel affirmed by God's touch. Those who don't experience them feel rejected and left out. Jonathan Edwards wrote a great deal about the dangers of this particular tendency back in the First Great Awakening in eighteenth- century America. By the time he wrote his classic work, Religious Affections, he had become very cautious about the more sensational phenomena associated with revival. For Edwards, the true sign of "grace in a believer's life was not constant visions (much of which he attributed to the imagination), nor the 'bodily exercises' (such as shaking and falling), but those operations on the heart that are spiritual, supernatural and divine. In other words, Edwards looked on the heart of a person rather than on his outward appearances. His chief concern was whether or not a person knew in his heart something that could never have been discovered naturally and could only have been communicated through the work of the Holy Spirit. Did a person know the royal seal of the Prince of Princes? Did he know that the seal of the High King of heaven had been stamped upon his heart? This was what Edwards meant by the 'divine' operation of the Spirit, for nothing could be more divine than the revelation that we are God's children. This, then, is what Edwards called the witness of the Spirit-the revelation that we are the adopted children of God with attendantevidence of that fact in our lives. For Edwards, the crucial passage of scripture in this whole area is Romans 8:16, where Paul says that the Spirit witnesses to our spirits that we are the children of God. Edwards showed that the Spirit referred to is the Spirit of adoption that dwells in us, leads and guides us, and disposes us to behave towards God as children towards a father. This is the Spirit of love that creates 'the disposition and temper of children, appearing in sweet childlike love to God, which casts out fear or a spirit of a slave'.Once the believer knows this internal work of the Spirit, he will never need 'multiplied signs' because he feels plainly the intuitive and immediate union with Abba, Father. This kind of operation could never be created by the flesh or inspired by the devil. While both an unholy and the human spirit can suggest scriptures and give false visions, neither can lead to genuine intimacy with Abba, Father. Jonathan Edwards"Religious Affections
Rob Rufus has been preaching on this fourth strand of what went on in the Garden.http://www.citychurchinternational.net/mp3_2/2009_02_15.zip We received a lying spirit about the nature of the goodness and greatness of God. This was because we swallowed Genesis 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil." i.e He was holding out on us. Instead we would be like God. And in our independant godlike status we could judge things...weigh facts. And this is why our faithlife...our miracle life is like scaling a cliff face. because any faith that we are trying to muster is coming out of 2 false foundations. 1 - that we can be independant...this is Satan terrain...and 2. That God is a liar and He is not really that good. These 2 false roots need ripping out from the insides of our beings before we can ever get anywhere. This is why what Rob Rufus and Bill Johnson are preaching is so vital to the church at the moment. It is grace!. But it is WARFARE! Because God wants His Church back...to operate through...to reach the world.
So to sum up. The third level is not the same as the charismatic movement. It is deeper. It goes back further in time. It deals with the roots. In posts to come I want to deal with our left-brain living. Our manner of life that is darkened see Romans1/ Ephesians 2. The opposite in other words of living as the Bible instructs in Proverbs 3:5-6.
Rob James said last week while we prayed as men, that Time magazine had announced among the top 10 discernible trends of the immediate future would see a Rise in Calvinism, especially in the USA. This is what Iggy is up against. This Calvinism/Armenian debate is to this day stripping churches in places like Liss here in England.
Instead of getting into this I am going to now spell out the real truth! The real truth is that the English and the Americans, after centuries of wrangling are still locked into their left-brains. That is what this argument is showing. It is almost as if the recent waves of God from the Great Awakening onwards...have not happened. Churches are still filled with darkness.Jesus said"If the light within you is darkness....how great is the darkness!!!"
You may as well wrangle over the Trinity in the way Muslims do when confronted by Christian doctrines. The truth is that all these truths, and many many more to come fall instantly into place in the third level. So faced by wrangling males...and it usually is....ripping God's own church to shreds by their disobedience and darkness of thought, and shrivelled faithlife....I would say
SHUTUP! SIT DOWN! HAVE PATIENCE! LET GOD LOVE YOU. AND ALL WILL BECOME CLEAR ...once the idolatry of your own minds has been torn down...ready for God Himself to speak to You.
The other thing that will sort us out is something I've only just seen in the last few days. Those in the "Prophetic Voice" group in Facebook know that Jose asked me to put down the Ship Propulsion unit vision fom HMS Sultan Summer fete last year. The Lord only released this vision locally in the last Key of David meeting in Havant. But the original appeared in Dan's vaults on 21st June last year. (Keep an eye on our blogs...you will see stuff first here!) But what I have only just understood is that the ring burner ministry vision is to be married with the "orb" vision I had. I will put them down afresh for you in the next post. In other words , through relating giftings and ministries , as we saw in the past through Fort Lauderdale and the London group of ministries....something like a circular forcefield of God's Presence was created. A safeguard. A fulness of ministry. A balance of Word. Not an intellectual balance. We are talking in the Spirit. And the Power and anointing upon these circles of ministries will be unlike anything we have seen to date. Why different than before?Because, as Ian McCulloch shared with me once about the London brothers' gatherings, as anointed as they were on a platform together...they were still pretty left-brain locked when it came to arguing doctrines amongst themselves in leader's meetings. Having met some since...I can believe it!!! Brethren....I have faith for this to stop. Why? Because He has been doing something to stop this in leader's gatherings in Havant...so He can do it elsewhere too! Even in the USA!! Imagine that!! Anyway...back to the subject of the post....
This thing is huuuuge. If everything that went wrong....if everything that we see surrounding us...came out of a marriage of creative mankind marrying up with a Satan spirit....what on Earth will be the outcome of a creative mankind learning to live fulltime in the Son....Jesus. There is nothing the River of God won't touch. There is nothing left out of the verse "The knowledge of the glory of God will cover the Earth as the waters cover the sea!!!!"
I think it's bigger Rheinhardt Bonnke, than even filling stadiums with nigh on a million people! I think it's bigger Morris Cerullo, than collecting hundreds and thousands together and praying an Elijah anointing on them! I think it's bigger Rob Rufus, than building a big grace church in Hong Kong! I think it's bigger than collecting orphans into the biggest orphanages and most successful orphanages that this world has seen! I think it's bigger Bill Johnson than recreating what John G Lake had years ago....an anointing for healing and miracles!I think it's a bit bigger Iggy than creating perfect Emerging churches...or sitting at home and learning the Father's love on your own like Amy is Walking In the Spirit. I think it's bigger than building ever bigger networks of charismatic churches with only 2 out of 3 revelations: The Abraham and Isaac revelation...but no Jacob revelation.Listen to me Terry Virgo! Mark Driscoll!
It's bigger than just becoming good at improving education. We're talking about teaching and imparting all of Romans...not just the first 3 or 5 chapters. The result being that we lead people into turning their environment around....Romans 8 "the sons setting creation free." St Paul knew how to do this. The third level is the biggest single thing to hit the Earth since Genesis. What bigger than the Cross? No it cannot beat the cross in any other way than this.....Jesus came to raise a multitude who would live,sleep walk,pray...in the same anointing and the same quality of life that He had. He was the firstborn of many brethren. That's why it's huuuuuuge! He is pouring out revelation in these days to show us the tricks of how we do it....just like He did it!!! The charismatic thing was the practice run. It was Isaac and Jacob faithing things in. The third level is what happened after Jacob met God at Peniel! Then the history of corporate Israel really began!!!! This is when the corporate Christ will really hit the planet! The rest has just been boxing the air in a gym!!!
This is drawn from the Father's House website resource - see blog links section %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% sensed the Father saying the following. 2009 is a year of birthing new ventures, ministries, and pioneering 'out of the box' churches, in a time of encroaching and increasing darkness. These births will be the subject of attack, just as the birth of Jesus was. But the attacks will not succeed because the new wineskins that are being formed are being formed covertly. Life is going to break out in a time of judgement. What is born this year, though small in size, will have massive significance in terms of destiny. Each delivery will result in a ministry of great deliverance. In fact what is being born in 2009 has a nation changing potential in some cases, and reformation potential in others. Isaiah 60 verses 1 to 3 are crucial, verse 3 especially. Even great leaders and thinkers are going to be drawn to the pin pricks of light coming from these new things. All this will come out of hiddenness. Humility and holiness are therefore very very important. As at the birth of Jesus there is going to be a radical increase in the supernatural, including signs in the sky, increased prophetic revelation and visitations of angels. Expect more miracles, more in number and more in quality. This is definitely a time for pressing in for the even greater things of John 14, though it will be on the streets that this will be most evident. The power of God is moving outside the house. These new births are taking place in a time of increasing difficulty for those who put their trust in material things. There will be great problems suffered by many as the lights start to go out. There will be storms of unusual intensity, power cuts, and floods. More institutions are going to implode. Basic commodities will become more and more scarce. Unemployment will rise dramatically. The new born ministries will however be in place to help those in need, as the revived churches in the New York prayer revival were in 1857. In 1857-9 the US revival involved the business world and happened in the context of a great economic meltdown. I detect a similar dynamic today. There will be revivals breaking out in unusual places - Bethlehems, as it were - but it will not be revival as we have known it. It will be out of the box and incarnational.... Born in stables more than synagogues. There will be unusual financial miracles as gold is brought to these infant ministries - as at the nativity. If the ministry is born of the Sprit, there will be no recession for the people of God. Wealth will be redistributed. Josephs are going to be raised up to store for the poor. God is calling what I can only describe as holy Robin Hoods who will take what the rich have and give it to the poor. This is truly a time to be born. Ministries conceived in 08 are about to be delivered. Timing is vital. We can't force the moment. When the contractions start, that's the time to PUSH, Pray Until Something Happens!
This is one of a handful of people who were in the first ever meeting held in a lounge in a house, of what became East Midlands Christian Fellowship. This church, just 30 years on, is now scattered for miles around Derby, whose centre is located right next door to Egg Bank HQ on Pride Park in Derby and under the leadership of Mark Mumford, whose God -given vision was to move beyond the lounge and small backwoods meeting halls around Eastwood, to being a hub church for the East Midlands area.
The person pictured is not Mark Mumford, but Christine my wife! At the time we were married in 1998,I was not in a church. I'd been thrown out of the 2nd Level. Forcibly. And had spent about 10 years exploring the 3rd Level. So she gave up a massive growing network for a crazy lone visionary who still has to be proved right!!
Amazingly, another church took us in....After 9 months we learned who was leading it. We've been there 10 years, and a year ago we chatted with the leadership!!!!! And even after that they let us stay. Perhaps we're there under provisional contract!! Every so often Jesus gives me a key prophetic Word...which I'm rather glad about....because it makes it harder for them to chuck me out. It's by no means sure though....because I'd given tons of key Words of prophecies and Key prophetic songs in the last setup.....so you can never be quite sure. Still it keeps you on your toes and trusting in Jesus, rather than the setup.
All this to say - Christine found a set of key leadership messages which are free to download from her former Salt and Light network. I've started listening to them. I'd hesitate to foist them on anyone....cos Jesus knows what everyone needs and Sheila and Tim do leadership stuff themselves for example.....so I'll do a St Paul and say I recommend, that is me and not the Lord, but maybe I have the Spirit of the Lord in this.....particularly the Mark Stibbe and Mark Mumford messages(down the page)
This Mark Stibbe is amazing! I've been thinking about it today.
He has a Phd.
Actually, just about the time that the secular theologians thought they had it all...now that CS Lewis is dead.....
up pops this man Stibbe with a critically acclaimed appraisal of the Gospel of John.And that was his Phd thesis.
Secondly, he has quite an anointing. Obviously there is no anointing-ometer...so I cannot compare him with Rob Rufus...especially only seeing him at one event...RiverCAMP.
Thirdly, like Rolland and Heidi Baker he is setting up a ministry to orphans.
Fourthly, he is ministering this precise message (the Father) into the Body of Christ at this time, and this surely is at the heart of the third level message in 1 John 2 " Fathers.....because you know Him who is from the beginning.
Fifthly, he has the vital pre-requisite of any prophet,( see Elijah with the prophets of Baal if you don't believe me).....that is ofcourse.....toilet humour. There are few funnier things I've heard this year than a quarter of an hour spiel on "a mobile toilet facility". You get this included if you order his amazing talks on the Father atRiverCAMP 2008.
So, I've been chatting it over with Jesus...and asking whether the rest of us can go home to heaven early while Mark Stibbe uses the now empty God TV studio to reach the rest of the world. But apparently Jesus says no......
For different reasons Zerubbabel (see links section) would agree with her.
I don't quite....but almost. What is making me a bit speechless is that I've found myself groaning inwardly about this precise subject most of the weekend. Is it not also incredible that at 2 key UK conferences...RiverCAMP through Mark Stibbe and other leaders in Shaftsbury have felt to address this head on this very summer. It is part of the substance also of "Orphans and Heirs".
These Conference messages, from different people were talking about: "Inward Upward and Outward."
Morris Cerullo would say unless you have an experience of God's Power and love...how are you going to minister it out? Inward then is this experience. Upward is our corresponding relationship and gratefulness back to God...our God.... which leads to an outward that is God-driven not man-driven. An exact set of instructions that we KNOW we are going to be empowered to carry out. Kind of takes the striving out of it all.
We are called to ministry I believe, but like all things third level......it completely re-writes the rule book. And rule 1 can almost stand on its own like Ursula says.
Rule 1. Get called to a relationship. With Jesus. We don't have to initiate this. His arms are already open. He loves us. He loves us so so much. Unconditionally.
People know that although I love evangelical people...after 36 years I am losing patience with the evangelical systems. Last year I addressed 2 particular clients after years of serving them....because I felt as important as my job is...it may well be that no one has ever dared to break into their world and challenge them. One was quite old...so I was sensing the time to be short. The other was an ex-pastor with an invalid son. The pastor was so locked into his Calvinism....Que serasera...that there was no way he'd ever see changes happen without being challenged about his beliefs. These situations are still ongoing...but the difference was...I nolonger remained silent!!! That at least had changed.
The same thing is happening right now with me and the second level. Again not the people...the system. Once you see the 3rd level clearly...you will never go back. People think it's so odd,because they are still delighted with meetings with spiritual gifts......but at no point is THE PROBLEM...the ONE PROBLEM, the Genesis 3:5 problem ever addressed. People get back to Deuteronomy 28, the very real promises of God...but no further. And if you don't get to the root and you go into ministry this is what it looks like. ----------------------------------- Parable by Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolkas vaguely remembered from their 1973 visit to Amersham Old Town Baptist Church.
One day in the wild wild west a town sheriff died. He had been effective,but wise,and had carried out his duties well. It was clear to the towns people who should be his successor. Why, it was clear! It should be young Tom the sharp-shooter. Boy was he good!. He could hit a can shooting from the the other end of town. So everyone felt that to be safe as a town, Tom was the obvious guardian.
He had some funny ways...like the way he wore his badge. He was particularly proud of his badge, the one inherited from his predecessor. But there was one thing wrong with it he felt. It could be easily missed. So he got the silversmith to make him one that everyone could see.
This one was about 9 inches in diameter. He strutted around with it and made sure that everyone could see it clearly. I'm only doing this he thought to himself...as a matter of safety. Because if everyone can see it, they will be less likely to try anything on.
But one day he noticed that there were some people laughing at him over the other side of the street. He wondered what they could find so funny. Perhaps they did not realise that he was a man of importance, there to protect the townsfolk. Perhaps they could not see his badge.
So he went to the silversmith and ordered a huge badge. A badge that was so big it covered the whole of his upper body down to his knees. This will promote safety, he thought. But I need everyone to see it so they can feel safe. So they can know that something is being done hereabouts with all the badlands nearby an' all !!
One day, a bad mean looking guy walked directly into town with a fully loaded shot-gun! I'm in charge here he hollered.
Tom, the sheriff, came out of the jail house. He motioned to everyone to stay calm! He was here. The man with the big badge of the law. The authority!
The mean guy just eyed him, and facing him from a way off just raised his gun. Tom, raised his gun in response, confident in his skills and speed. Before the other man had time to pull the trigger, Tom let a bullet fly! But unfortunately it ricocheted off his enormous badge and entered Tom's heart immediately. Tom sunk to his knees as the awful truth hit him too late. He'd made a huge error of judgement!
Mark Stibbe was under a clear anointing concerning restoring the image of the Father. He was removed/stood down from the above Trust he pioneered after adultery.
