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Tuesday, 11 November 2014

The Collective Insanity of Humanity by Carlos Iggy Shelton

Source: emerging thought in Montana
The other day I found this article: Study: Belief in an angry God associated with a variety of mental illnesses It sort of confirmed some of my experience dealing with certain people as well as my own experiences. It also confirmed some ideas I have began to see in the Bible.


I do not believe that someone becomes mentally ill by believing in an angry God, but rather it exasperates the person's condition. I see that while you may suffer from OCD, the idea that God may not accept you as "clean" and is angry may contribute to the need to have things clean and orderly.

I have seen on a personal level people who "hatefully" abuse others in the name of love. They seem to think that attacking others is a way to bring them into a right relationship with God. However, if you believe God may just bring the hammer (or strike you with lightening) for your sins, they missed the whole point of the Cross and Resurrection. I began to understand that God was angry with sin in humanity but has never gone back on His proclamation that His creation, humanity, is nothing other than good.
the "angry God"

I have a working theory on how we as humans live in what I call the collective insanity of humanity (catchy huh?). Meaning that there is a reality that is "in Christ" and a false reality we choose to live in by choosing our fallen state instead. The origin of this thought comes from re-reading the "curse" of Adam and Eve as not a punishment, but rather of consequence. God gave Adam and Eve a chance to come clean yet they choose to live in shame instead.

I also began to realize how this is true as I began to study a family member's illness who possibly has schizophrenia. She lives in a false reality that is "true" to her. She hears the voice that no one else does, thus in her mind it is real. However it is a false reality as there are no real voices to be heard. These observations have set me on some interesting twists in my own theology and how I see many of the stories in the OT as well as the NT. However, it has also opened me up to loving those who suffer mental illness in a deeper way.

It does seem that often an angry person who believes in an angry, wrathful, God, becomes like the God he or she believes in. It also seems that there is a major impairment in reading comprehension and compassion to the point that the person cannot accept that God could possibly love others if they are not exactly as they believe their God requires. It also seems that he or she has a need to point out worse "sinners" as a means to show that they are not as bad as that in hopes they have a chance at judgment day. Over all, it is a sad condition and my prayers go out for those who suffer in this way.
POSTED BY CARLOS SHELTON AT 10/23/2014 05:32:00 AM

Monday, 25 June 2012

Covenant and Genesis 15 - Pastor Dave,Carlos Iggy Shelton and a question from me.

Cutting and Covenant: A Christological Look At The Abrahamic Covenant ~ Pastor Dave


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Usually when we think of an agreement or contract we are thinking of two people making a pledge and a pact to honor an agreement. While there are elements of this notion within the Biblical word “covenant” it’s not an exact corollary. O. Palmer Robertson, in his classic work, defines the Biblical covenant as “a bond in blood sovereignly administered.” He adds:
















When God enters into a covenantal relationship with men, he sovereignly institutes a life-and-death bond. A covenant is a bond in blood, or a bond of life and death, sovereignly administered. (The Christ of the Covenants, 4)
This is an important distinction to make. God is the one administering these covenants. While the covenants do speak of man’s responsibility, there’s no sense in which they are actually bilateral covenants. God is the one who is responsible for implementing and managing these covenants. Such news is startling when we consider the nature of “cutting a covenant” in ancient cultures. For in making these covenants God does not simply agree to keep His word, but He submits Himself to being killed if He doesn’t.  When we see, however, these covenants in light of Christ we are confronted with an even more startling picture: Christ both keeps God’s word and is killed.
The Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 15 serves as a great case study and example on this point. Abraham is an old man when God comes to make a promise to him of children. In fact Abraham is so old that the Apostle Paul says he is as good as dead (Romans 4:19). He had one foot in the grave and no children, yet God promises to give him exactly that. It will be all of God’s giving, in fact the very covenant sign of circumcision is a way of saying to an old man that his progeny would not come from his long since “dead” genitals, but from God’s grace. Certainly God calls Abraham to faith and obedience, but what we see in the actual covenant in Genesis 15 is that God is the only one committing to it. Abraham is asleep when the actual covenant is confirmed. “As the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell on Abram. And behold, dreadful and great darkness fell upon him” (Gen. 15:12). We read, then, in verses 17-20:
17 When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces.  18 On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates,  19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites,  20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim,  21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”
God (portrayed as the smoking pot) passes alone through the cut pieces of the animal sacrifice. Walking through the cut pieces of the sacrifice was a custom among parties making a contract. It was a way of saying “may I end up like this sacrifice if I don’t keep my word” (see Jeremiah 34:18). Robertson writes:
By dividing animals and passing between the pieces, participants in a covenant pledge themselves to life and death. These actions established an oath of self-malediction. If they should break the commitment involved in the covenant, they were asking that their own bodies be torn in pieces just as the animals had been divided ceremonially. (130)
But note here that it is God alone who walks through the sacrifices. God alone commits to keep His word or be subject to destruction.

 God makes the commitment, God takes all the risk, and when we screw up God takes all the wrath. O, what great depths our God will go to to keep His word and to keep His people!


Of course the history of both Abraham’s descendants Israel in general is one of regular covenant unfaithfulness. They regular disobey God and break His covenants. God is always faithful, even where they are faithless (2 Tim. 2:13). God always keeps His word. In the New Testament we see Jesus is the fulfillment of God’s word to Abraham, and yet we also know that the story of Jesus’ faithfulness to God ends with His crucifixion. Jesus keeps God’s word, we have failed, and yet it is still He who is cut and sacrificed. But that, of course, is not how the covenants were supposed to operate.
It is those unfaithful to the covenant who are to be cut down. But Jesus steps in to be cut down for our sake. He who was faithful, who never did wrong, who was righteous, took our place. Jesus keeps the covenant and He also takes our punishment for failing to keep it. God makes the commitment, God takes all the risk, and when we screw up God takes all the wrath. O, what great depths our God will go to to keep His word and to keep His people!


Thoughts on the Abrahamic covenant by Carlos Iggy Shelton



Been a while since I did a blog post so I figured I submit this. This is from my class discussion at Regent University. The topic was our thoughts on the Abrahamic covenant. 
One highlight of the Abrahamic covenant is that it showed that while one of faith may sin, grace still abounds.  The example I refer to is the issue with Hagar and Ishmael. [1]  While Sara had a lapse of faith and Abram may have had other misplaced judgment, God not only blessed Abram, but gave grace and changed Abram’s name to Abraham and gave a greater promise. [2] Though, I somewhat smile that initially the covenant was one sided, later Abraham was told to circumcise himself and whole

One highlight of the Abrahamic covenant is that it showed that while one of faith may sin, grace still abounds.

household, which makes me cringe whenever I read it. [3] My smile is from wondering how connected the tie between circumcision and the issues with Hagar and Ishmael were.
The similarities between the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenant is the extension of grace and expansion of the initial covenant. Like with the Abrahamic covenant God extends grace to a people who did nothing but are descendants of Abraham. [4] God keeps his promise to Abraham as now the Hebrews are a great nation. [5]  The differences between the two covenants are that of community separation and individual separation to be holy unto God. As I recall from my past studies, both covenants were based on a type of contract. [6] Abram’s cutting of the carcass was a type of contract used at the time. Likewise the Mosaic covenant was based on ancient Near Eastern vassal treaties with some differences. [7] Again, the overall theme is God’s grace to both a person (Abraham) and a nation (the Hebrews). For me, this shows God’s overall worthiness to keep his word. This theme is displayed from Genesis after the fall and even to Cain after slaying Able. While man progressively steps further from God, his hands of grace reach more and more out to his beloved created image. This theme that fully is seen later in Christ Jesus fulfilling the covenant by not only His life and death, but his resurrection.
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1.  1.     (Genesis 16 n.d.)
2.   2;    (Genesis 16; 17)
3.    3/  Ibid
4.   4.    (Genesis 17: 9-10)
5.    5.   (Exodus 2:25)
6.    6.   (Bibletools.com 2012)
7.    7.   (Hill 2009)
Citations
Bibletools.com. Covenant, Symbolized by Divided Carcasses. 2012. http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/6867/Covenant-Symbolized-by-Divided-Carcasses.htm (accessed 6 21, 2012).
"Genesis 16." (NIV)
"Genesis 17." (NIV)
"Exodus 2: 25." (NIV)
Hill, Andrew E and Walton, John H. A Survey of the Old Testament,. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2009.  


 An Interpolation ~ How much do Professors Know? Are they simply working backwards, revising history based on  what "appears to be so now" ?   Comment to Iggy's Blogpost.


Chris Welch - 07000INTUNE said...I just don't know.
Know what?
Whether the carcass thing was related to other covenantal things at the time.
or ......Do the other inhabitants of earth indulge in covenantal stuff because it is a distortion of God's pattern with the first ever peoples?

Like the Jews not drinking milk in their coffee after a meal is a distortion of not boiling a kid animal in its mother's milk. Give a few hundred years and developing Coffee mate and bob's your uncle.

It's one of those chicken and egg questions.

I have noticed that people who study in college as you have just done, introduce these "carcass" type bits of knowledge with the assurance that because some college professors have consensually agreed it to be so, then it must be so. What's their authority? Sometimes they have some. But it's good to be objective enough to stand back and ask.

Sometimes it's good to think how God has worked in our lives and work backwards....

I mean , Abraham looked up at some stars...and God spoke to him.

perhaps the whole carcass sequence was just as Divine from start to finish.....
certainly I bet other people's doing similar practices never has a flaming pot flying in the air between the animal pieces....

not your average human practice to arrange there.

I'm busy reassessing everything.
As a good charismatic I spiritualised the whole Nephilim thing....and thought Derek Prince rather carnally minded to say that real fallen angels were having sex with human beings to produce large human beings....what became gods in our mythologies.

Turns out ALL the New Testament writers thought this and referred to the Book of Enoch more or less as a divine text. And all Jewish rabbis pretty much thought the same too....it's only our modern revisionism that can't accept anything beyond a cornflakes packet.

Interesting I have noted how many of the civilisations that have alternate views from Greco-Roman ones, have already been slaughtered or drastically reduced like native Indians to a mere few thousand well contained folk.

Someone, unlike most professors of this period, who does know what he's on about is Bill Cooper in "After the Flood". Not many professors have spent 30 years trawling proof texts on records of genealogies. I can't think of many things more tedious. What he found,the world over, is that apart from only a few minor niggles....the genealogies from various people groups are incredibly concurrent.

Something that no Rothschild/Rockefeller induced professor would stand by...but then they haven't done the study and only believe the perpetual lies of everybody else.

Why is it that history only begins really with the Romans? Bill says there is more than we think on 1000BC - 0 AD.

Thursday, 22 September 2011

Apostasy Watchers My Ass!

 

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by Chris Welch on Thursday, 22 September 2011 at 12:14
In 39 years I've never met an apostasy watcher that wouldn't have condemned Jesus in His own lifetime.
Modern apostasy watchers have Bibles with explanatory notes by the apostles themselves.
When Jesus was actually saying things by the Spirit...there were no notes.
When He said Unless you eat Me, eat My flesh.....there were no explanatory notes. There were no communion passages.There was no understanding of food as "hearing in the Spirit,believing in your heart and acting by faith on what you just heard." There was just in that moment a Spirit transmission from the depths of Jesus to your depths as He spoke these mystical words. And most left. And foremost among those would have been apostasy watchers...."This is a hard saying .I'm off"

Similar with the words  " I will rebuild the Temple in 3 days.". Apostasy watchers have their interpretation spelt out for them now.....but they would have been totally lost on that day.

You know, you dont need elaborate websites to pick up apostasy here it is, in the Bible:
1 John2 Test One Jesus who is God came in the flesh
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
 24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.
 26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Test Two 1 John 3  The genuine is of God who loves...so likewise they will genuinely love
Test Three related to test one but even more specific 1 John4
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

This is stressing the "flesh bit"..   God has come in the flesh
and by extension  God is coming in your flesh too.

How to recognise an Apostasy Watcher
They will categorise every possible shade of teaching BAR ONE
the extension of meaning of the above passage.
They will NOT refer to your anointing that you have received from God, because that means you would nolonger need the Apostasy Watcher....and they certainly will not refer to the Jesus extension that Jesus Himself is "coming in you"...for this apparently according to them is apostasy.
No. The truth is sadly for them the reverse. If they do not believe in a TODAY LIVING JESUS
who speaks
who anoints His own
who is "coming in His own"....those who are born again from above by the Spirit of God....

or even if they soften it down to mean

Hey..... a little bit of Jesus...has come into you to rattle around in your old man cage with you
and one day over the rainbow if you pay attention to our teachings
you will eventually be a good Christian and a little more like Jesus....

well congratulations   sir/madam

you have just passed the Holy Spirit's apostasy test.

While you yourself are passing out apostasy tickets to all and sundry

YOU YOURSELVES REMAIN IN TOTAL DARKNESS

    • Cindy Lou Brown ‎2 Corinthians 6:16...And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.Hallelu-yah!!! For we are the Children of the Light of Christ..amen..Mwah!!!
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    • Sheila Enaami you shall know them by their fruits. We are free in Christ but we are to choose our words wisely, "my ass"? are you doing it in love? using such deregatory words Chris Welch? are you edifying or condemning people? I do not even want to read this kind of note not coming from a heart of love. My Jesus will not use such words.
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    • Michael O'Hara
      ‎"Whitened walls"? "broods of vipers"? "blind guides"? I think this note touches on an important (very important) issue Sheila....WHO is the Christ many say they are following? (today) That group of people who stand before Him crying "L...ord! Lord!" Are seeming quite surprised that this Christ who stands before them "in that day" is not "their Jesus" and far more obvious He says they are not part of His "little flock".See more

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    • Rich Novek White washed tombs filled with dead men's bones, the "try and fail" promoters of the Different Gospel of Grace...AND! The mixed gospel of death! Thanks Chris!
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    • Chris Welch as an aside, because I dont mind upsetting people who need upsetting, but there's no point in upsetting people who are already listening anyway.....perhaps i've been subjected to too many Simpsons episodes...but it seemed culturally "ass" is quite normal in the States even among Christians....bit like "bum" over here. But just try saying "arse" in church over here. So UK people are nonplussed somewhat how Bart Simpson gets away with it. It's something to do with the removal of the "r".
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    • Chris Welch Anyhow...God knows my heart....and I suppose that's the one good thing about testing things on Facebook....at least it's not an American congregation of 20,000..
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    • Chris Welch If anyone wants to know how Carlos Shelton feels about Apostacy Watchers he has an "Online Discernment Mafia " Website.
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