Pam,the pilot and the peaked cap.

(Pilot picture and cartoon have no resemblance to the real personnages.)

Fini and Isi De Gersigny might like this one. So, anyway, Nicholas and Pam have been staying with us. They are leaving tomorrow for the arctic regions.

Pam shared of an airport incident. I think it was Anchorage. She deliberately put on a Lakeland teeshirt hoping to attract the attention of someone who had been there last year.
She sure did.
A pilot came across and announced that he had been there, and that originally he had been in Bethel Church (Bill Johnson's church). He was now part of a church plant in Atlanta.

While he was in Bethel he had seen a vision of a big golden angel who had announced that he was an angel of provision for the Church. He had received an anointing to pray over people for provision, and that people's needs be met, in the service of the King.

Ofcourse Pam asked that he pray for them. Pam also prayed for the pilot. The slight problem was that as he was still in uniform, people were still coming up to him to ask questions. Gradually as both of them were decidedly worse for wear, as they were praying over each other in the concourse, the pilot decided to turn the peak of his hat round, so he would look less official.

By this time , both of them were very wobbly and feeling decidedly drunk. Hopefully, the pilot was coming off his duty!

Usually both Nicholas and Pam both keel over at such times, and stagger about the floor, but this time it was mainly Pam!

I thought this was all hilarious and reminded me of Ursula. Thought you all might like it too.

Every Day is NOT the same. Saints we have to wake up

Below is my answer to what Sheila writes in her post. This comes out of listening to Mark Stibbe's Noah messages.



Sheila wrote: in No trumpets, no scrolls

Some days are silently life changing. I'm having another one of those silent, yet life-altering, fork-in-the-road sort of days. Never, does a scroll drop from heaven, written in flourishing, heavenly script, "Heads up! Things will never be the same again! This is a Very Important Moment!" Never do trumpets play...not even in your head.
You simply have to become wise enough to "number your days, so that you can apply your heart to wisdom", as the Psalm says. You must discern the moment.
Today, ever so quietly, our balding and cheerful postman delivered a large box.
Hannah's first choice of wedding gown. This one will be the first one she will ever try on. We hope it is "the one"; we'll see. It lies there, on her bed, waiting to change her whole life...and mine.
Today, ever so quietly, I have taken down the Christmas decorations. For the very first time ever, Hannah's go into a separate box, a simple box, nothing fancy, lovingly tied up by yours truly with plaid Christmas ribbon. Those trinkets will hang on her tree, next Christmas, in her first apartment, with her new husband. This was accomplished silently, no words from me, alone in my livingroom, with soft jazz music playing in the background, while I drank a Slimfast milkshake - I'm not dieting, but rather just needed quick nourishment that I didn't have to prepare first. Quiet activity. Life changing, nonetheless.
Today, ever so quietly, I walked into my bedroom, carrying a load of laundry, and caught my son making copies of his transcripts, SAT scores, and immunization records. I had no idea. With no prodding, no hinting, no cajoling, he is enrolling in an area college. He is paying for it himself, aside from any scholarships or grants he can, himself, obtain. He is set on working and paying his own way. He had been on the telephone with Roane State this morning, unbeknownst to his father or me, and as of this moment (just got a cell phone call from him) has paid his application fees, and filled out enrollment papers. He is seizing the day, having prayed desperately for the mind of God concerning his future. Quietly, with no input from his parents, no manipulation from mom; with no gabbing or fanfare or an ounce of insecurity on his part....confidently and almost noiselessly, he took yet another step towards becoming a man. I wasn't expecting it. Life changing stuff, it is.
There was a time, in my young motherhood, when I would have grabbed up a telephone and spoiled the silence. I would have vented these emotions. I would have been far too overwhelmed, even wonderfully and positively overwhelmed, with so many milestones in a day. Now, in the twilight of my mothering years, I have learned to value the quiet, transforming moment, and to meet that moment, and honor it with a quiet heart of my own.
And tomorrow is another day. No telling what it will hold.
"In quietness and confidence shall be my strength...."

Christine has been through this with 3 daughters and I'm tagging on behind with Ben.When I was listening to Mark Stibbe on Noah something of the same finality really hit me when he was describing the shutting of the Ark doors....not related to you ofcourse. But truly every day is not the same. And there are days which change everything. When everything changes. Another thing really hit me once again ...for years we have toddled along in charismatic churches at one level. We assume that things will continue much the same. Just as Southern Baptists thought that things would continue just the same. In 1966, they and other evangelicals at Lausanne Conference on Evangelism projected forward that because of higher criticism and many other factors...there would be hardly any church left by 1990.And then the Southern Baptists went back to their churches and continued much the same as they always did.But things did change. Suddenly. A whole generation were suddenly...and it was sudden...born again in the level of baptism in the Spirit. Things were never like the 60s again.And in the same way another step change is to occur. In a way, Florida was I believe the advert.The cinema trailer. (Some scream back sarcastically...what an advert!!!! But I just answer...my friends were there. They know of what they speak).

Rory and Wendy's message and Heather Clark

I was going to put up Rory and Wendy's message on Lakeland but Lydia Joy beat me to it. Heather Clark does not write every week, her blog is linked on Lydia Joy's site: A joy to be me.
This is what she wrote on 30th August about her experiences.

Gosh I'm naive
This is taking some toll on me I think but I am trying to walk strong. Todd has come out that he was sinned and that’s hard on us all. It’s hard on those who walked closely with him, his staff and team.


I realized that some people don’t even think he’s saved. They think he’s leading the church of Satan, stuff like that. They call him a FREAK, hellish and demonic. That breaks my heart to be honest. Some of those youtubers (Youthoughtyouknew being one of them- thank God he can’t comment on here) just cruel mean in the name of discernment. Thinks I’m just the dirt under a dogs foot with a brain about the size of a nut. I was half hoping he was into MMA and him and Nolan could face off :)



So I am realizing that I am part of a mean family. I am STILL shocked at what people will say. At first I thought it was just because people felt brave on their computers and that they would never say things like that in real life... not so. You know one of Todd’s associates was SLAPPED IN THE FACE in Target. Like are you KIDDING ME? That’s for real. The lies are amazing! And what’s true? Todd sinned. That’s true. I’m upset with him. I can’t turn my back on him. I just can’t. It’s not in me. Somehow though people think that means I talk to the dead and go to Starbucks with Emma every few days! Come on already.


So my other realization is that I am being grouped IN with people (more like doctrines) that I not only disagree with but that I have distanced friendships over and there are people I won’t minister with (never met them before) due to such things. Yet people think I BELIEVE that stuff. Dang. I don’t. I think that stuff is dangerous.


It’s a FINE FINE line walking whether or not to minister at certain events. I do ONLY if I think that I can be me and bring who I am what I have to offer. That means I have to feel like I can influence the worshippers with Christ centered worship. I would never have thought of myself as out there. Isn’t that funny? I mean I’m so down the middle of the road on my beliefs. I don’t have any fringe heresies I’m carrying around.


Well now I do dance that’s true! And I sing words that aren’t on the screen - got me there too! But if it’s any consolation I’m dancing for the glory of God and I’m singing cause I can’t help it.... I’m in love.


You know I don’t know what to believe about Lakeland. I felt God. I was changed. I was personally healed. I was renewed. I loved my family more. I saw my kids fall in love deeper with Jesus. My 5 year old was totally impacted by the Lord. My 1YEAR old - EVERY SINGLE DAY says to me now “mo desus mamma” (more Jesus mamma) Every day. I turn the worship music off and he has a fit.


Now that doesn’t mean I don’t think there was hype - yes sure... flesh... yes sure... and demonic - sure. There is going to be a mixture in everything! But I met the Lord. And I felt like I could really run in the worship cause those people who came were hungry and it was the first time I felt like I could run and they could keep up. It was awesome! It was so amazing. Thank you to all those who were there in those services. That was a dream come true.


I was the real deal. I want revival and healing and freedom and deliverance and passion and holiness - the real deal.


I’m so naive though. I always think the best until the last second. I think, “no they didn’t really mean that I’m demonized” - uh no heather they did mean that! So that’s ..... hard a bit. I’m not sure if I should be stronger than that. You don’t need to email me a bunch of encouraging notes over it. I’m not going to fall short of anything over it, nor am I going to let it slow me down, but it brings a reality check to me.


So mean..... can you believe we’re that mean? I still don’t believe it. Even at the END of writing this... I’m still in shock. I’m not sure what’s worse... Todd’s sin or all the cruelty it brought out of the rest of us!

Hadron III - A Summary of February to September 2008

The Hadron Collider is currently sick. There has been some burn-out . Some fracturing of tubes means helium gas is leaking which means the likelihood of worse problems if that explodes. So they are working on it.

I had 2 or 3 prophetic sensations while Florida was ongoing. One concerned the ship's propulsion

unit that spoke to me of the Kingdom way of doing ministry...see 07000Intune 3rd postRings of burners and Ignitor burners.

But the 2nd main one referred to the 1978 directional prophecy which concerned what was going to be happening in the Body of Christ. Then I felt God apply this picture to the Florida Outpouring itself. This one is here, the 2nd post at 23:23 This one I find particularly interesting in the light of what happened by August. The fact that when we had sat together in that plane in 1978, for what seemed an age, while the pilot checked over every dial and function....then after all this, once he had revved up the engines to top speed....WE STILL SAT THERE!!! "Hold on Jesus! I thought the acceleration had begun! We're still sitting here!" Then after further fastidious checking, with the engines still revving at full pelt....one further detail was added. One tiny, quickly accomplished detail. He let the brake off! And the little plane catapulted into the air. I so remember the weight of God's Presence on me at that time. And His exact words..."So shall it be with the Body of Christ ." Then to feel something about this staging process in this actual acceleration we are experiencing this year.

As the Hadron Collider shows.....everything has to be ready....because when we move at speed THERE ARE NO SMALL PROBLEMS!

That is why there is a third level. Even Moses' equivalent of a third level, his calling and ministry to shepherd hundreds of thousands, some say 1 or 2 million, out of Egypt towards the Promised land....hit a big problem. Once you are representing the Lord of the Universe, it is nolonger quite as simple as "the grace message", and just repenting and picking yourself up again. Moses was angry.Before the people. And the effect on Moses' life was permanent. It did not affect the plan of God for Israel. But Moses was never allowed to enter the land.

Things we learn from the Florida Outpouring: (and hopefully from Dudley as it is being televised on God TV)
1. It is a totally new order of operation.
2. Like the Feast of Trumpets in the Feast of Tabernacles...it was a worldwide warning system!
Get ready Church.
3. As I wrote to Sheila referring to Psalm 92:12 The appearance of the Kingdom,(which has a dammed up reservoir of 2000 years of praying "Thy Kingdom Come" behind it) will manifest like a palm tree. A palm tree flourishes at the very top, with nothing but barren looking palm trunk below it, stretching up for what seems like ever...skywards. A green explosion of life where there appeared to be nothing.
4. Like all revivals , Florida was a shock! Like the Melchizedek order, Florida appeared to come from nowhere.
5. Florida is a picture of how the Kingdom works. Birthed in secret in prayer, each component part is pre-honed like the stones in the Temple. Unlike the Temple, the Melchizedek order seems to operate with everybody totally unaware what the other is preparing. Then in a flourish, all these unknown elements are put together in one place, seamlessly, fitting together perfectly. Totally miraculous. (Actually - on a local scale - when you consider what each church member has to pass through each and every week...isn't that also true of every Sunday meeting that is conducted in the Spirit? How God uses the experiences of each member to construct a theme each week. "Every one hath a...."1 Cor14:26KJV
6. Worship was taken to a new level. Prophetic songs became almost the norm, the default. People were unhurried. God was given time. If worship was the only agenda in a meeting,that was fine. The irony is, that many,many were healed, born again, baptised in the Spirit,learned about waiting on God asPsalm 123:2 - all during these times.
7. The Presence of God descended tangibly at times.
8.A sense of the Unlimited Might and Power of our God. Expectancy back in the Church. Boldness to step out for new levels of the supernatural...like raising people from the dead.
9.Todd Bentley,though with faults, is a godly example of how fast we can move if we are willing.Some would cite his reaching a million souls in his first 10 years. I would cite the fact that he is starting to run 3rd Level meetings after only 14 years of knowing Jesus. I'm not sure which is the most impossible...considering our low-level sense of vision in the Body of Christ in recent years.

10.The Baptism of the Holy Spirit was placed in context. Power to get people saved! And not just in meetings. Spilling out into the streets and restaurants. Evangelism teaching. Exactly the same pattern that people put together in 1972, when a whole roomful of us youngsters, first had teaching and training in evangelism, then were prayed for to be filled with the Spirit. The same pattern as both Morris Cerullo and Rheinhardt Bonnke use, in sessions with hundreds or thousands.

11.Some 24 years ago Psalm 45:16 Instead of Your fathers shall be Your sons, whom You will make princes in all the land....and may be another verse...something like "you shall be known by the name of your offspring" (anyone help me?) - these leapt out at me...and surely that was the pattern in Florida. The major thrust was coming from men and women in their early 30s. When Dan began his blog, he was 30 or so. Todd was this age. Ryan was this age. Roy Field was this age. When George Warnock wrote "the Feast of Tabernacles " in the 1950's(see links)he was 31 or so. ( He is now 90 or so. In a way, virtually unused for 60 years.America, you foolish, foolish ,foolish nation! How you have loved your hype and missed the 3rd Level under your very nose!!!May you repent deeply at this time, and grow up in your Head,King Jesus))When I recorded the message "Third Level Christianity"in 1989, I was 31. (Since February 2008 I have been allowed to share it for the first time.)Ed Miller was in his 30s when he sought God in Argentina...and found these truths.

12. A kind of forerunner version of the vision of the propulsion unit mentioned above...that is a ring of main burners....maybe 12 or 20, all operating together....was the pattern we began to see emerge in Florida. All major Kingdom advances have come from Mighty igniter ministries, but in recent times we have seen rings of Covenantally joined ministries operating together. It was this pattern in Acts 2 that launched the Church. It was a group of such, moving with Graham Pulkingham, called the Fisherfolk, who birthed the vision of Living together as the Body of Christ. It was the London meetings, and the early 70s Bible weeks run by covenantally joined men that means that England has largely pioneered the independant churches of the last 30 years. The proliferation of apostolic hubs. It was John Wimber in the 80s, openly raising up this pattern of ministry. It was this pattern of ministry that evolved into Toronto and Pensacola, and Florida. My reserve as I mentioned before, is that the apostolic ministries coming in to Florida are used to establishing churches...even warehouse size churches...in the first 2 levels....but they are still very young in anything to do with the 3rd Level. And as I have been saying, there are many aspects to the 3rd Level. Running Church in the awesome manifest Presence of God, for one thing.Teaching people how you live in the 3rd Level...how the Christ Life works daily. The tricks of the trade. What this "Father"stage of 1 John really means.

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So now there has been a kind of lull..................

I want to answer this , and also do a kind of summary of everything I have been saying since February( Feb-August on Life on Wings comments sections 07000INTUNE or Chris), thereafter here on this blog.

See....God is not phased by things going wrong. He is , as usual, just planning something better!He is giving us extra time to check all the dials!! (the aeroplane example).

Here is a list of things going wrong : The Devil's rebellion with the angels in heaven. Adam in the Garden. Moses coming down from the mountain and smashing the first 2 tablets of the Law.

The Law - fullstop!!! The Church falling and falling in stature, until it became acceptable to sell indulgences to foreshorten time spent in a mythical Purgatory, by Luther's time. These were all the downside!
Here is the foundation of the Upside.

A challenge resounds in heaven. God always wanted a people with whom to create an Eternal,loving,sharing Covenantal Community based on Agape love. Him pouring out for us. Us ,responding, pouring out ourselves for Him and for others. His first attempt went wrong. He gave the angels a free will, and a large number chose rebellion. Because of the nature of heaven, this was a permanent rebellion. A fixed position. Forever and ever. Necessitating a place of separation called hell.

So this is the challenge. Both a challenge for God personally. As well as a direct challenge to His Name and Glory and Wonderful Person, from the fist of the Devil himself. How can He safely give a second group of free-will beings the chance to safely and freely choose to be in His heart forever.....without them making a permanent choice in the manner of the angels, which might instantly lead to an eternity of hell?

He created a safe Universe. A material creation which could be 2nd Death-Proof!!! Should we follow Him and heed His safety plan. And more than this.....to SO SUCCEED, that not only the 2nd Adam race swallow up the first failures of Adam and Eve....but to so rub the Devil's nose in it....that whereas he rebelled in the glory of heaven.....we learn to live this victorious life by concious choice and determination of our wills even here on this sin-infested globe called Earth.

This is the Glory of the Third Level. This is God's big thumb on His nose at the Devil. You see for centuries we looked at Jesus and marvelled...as we should...His sinlessness...His offering of Himself for us...and we took Communion in Churches, and just accepted that when we die we could go to heaven. BUT THAT WAS NOT THE POINT.

You see if Jesus wanted to, He could have come down and given us a glory show to marvel at...like no other. He is God. Second Person of the Trinity. But the point is, He left it ALL aside.

Phillipians 2:5 There was not a shred of anointing until He was 30. So if He overcame until this point...IT WAS NOT through a baptism in the Spirit. It was as a Man. Hooked up in His spirit to God...in the same way as it was in the beginning for Adam and Eve.

The thing is...this man Jesus, while still in heaven as God, had determined fixedly one thing. As it says "It says of Me in the book:I have Come to do Thy Will O God." And this DNA, which was worked out in the Earth for 33 years....was then poured out for us.

So in the 80s, when I'd been born again and baptised in the Spirit for way over a decade....but seemed hopelessly bound to ever repeatedly fall into the sin patterns I HEARTILY LOVED, but knew I should not....and in my desperation cried out to God in many stages......this is what I received...but could not for a long time articulate....

This Jesus who WILLED TO DO THE WILL OF HIS FATHER IN HEAVEN, allowed His very life pattern to be smashed into the grave, with my opposite will attached, taking it down with Him, then rising again,with me also bound with Him....to form in me a new will...a will that comes from His very Person. In this He became Christ in Chris form, to fulfil in me, and while I am still alive....all the things I could never do or be!!!! How absolutely,absolutely amazing is that? That if you haven't guessed already...is the 3rd Level. Is the type of Church emerging right now. We are an absolute abomination to the devil. Because we disprove every theory that the devil has flung at the justice of God.

We are literally the feet of the Body of Christ, as described by Eldred Linden (IMA)Fishers Pond Conference 1979, who are the last to be born. The Head pops out first. Jesus. But we are those feet as described in Ephesians 6:15having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; There is a preparation. But we are the people who will walk this thing out. Not just in meetings. But the same sense of flow and intimacy with Christ that we have in meetings, will now work for us all the days of our life.

So against this backdrop of the challenge of the Devil, we have this prayer. Our Father, our Daddy Abba God...right there we've got a relationship the devil never had......Who Art in heaven....Lord make Your Name holy.This name that since before time began has been sullied, trampled through the dust by the devil. Lord ,now, now at the end of this age....make your Name holy. See it's not just about little us. It's about His Name. His Glory! Who He is!

How????

Your Kingdom Come, Your Will be done. You come and be my King. When it came to the crunch Adam did not want your Kingship. But Lord let me, let this generation rise, with this Willing Christ, who now lives within us...changing us, empowering us so we can now really pray this prayer...maybe for the first time truly corporately...ever!!!! Psalm 110.

And this is the gist of Peter Stott's door opening Word this May Conference about Psalm 24 " Lift Up Your heads o ye gates and let the King of Glory Now Come In." Those ancient doors clanked shut in Genesis 3:5 when Adam and Eve made their decision.....and now it is to be this 3rd Level Church who open the doors...the Ancient doors.

The prophecies like Maurice Smith's (my comment)

The prophetic words of Ern Baxter

even the whole vision to do with discipleship as delivered by Juan Carlos Ortiz

these all become realizable. See , you can't do discipleship with 2nd level leadership. You will destroy people. You've got to have 3rd level people ...Fathers of 1 John 2:12...to father.

Finally,over the past months,I have called into the witness box:

-The International Ministry Association on the prophetic fulfilment of the Feasts

-Zerubbabel who propagate Norman Grubb's findings

-Ed Miller who describes his own personal history and takes churches in deep with God

-Exchanged Life Ministries
-Maurice Smith book " 20th Century Pilgrim"

-Juan Carlos Ortiz "In the future everyone will be born again in the experience

of the Holy of Holies(Third Level)

-The pattern of Jesus life

-The disciple's growth stages

-The threefold Revelation of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob,

-Paul's findings in Roman's, his corporate vision in Ephesians

-The Growth levels of 1John 2

-My own testimony of conversion,Spirit baptism,utter despair, then revelation of the solution,

-The three stages of Moses Life

-The development of Joseph's life in Egypt

-Ern Baxter's corporate message Going Into the Land, featuring Egypt,Wilderness,The Land.

-Mother Basilea Schlink 2 messages heard live in 1974 "Going the Way of the Lamb is a Way of Great Power" and "Seek the face of the God of Jacob as at Peniel"

-Many,many threefold patterns in scripture describing different aspects of growth:

-stalk,ear of corn,full ear of corn

-the Three Feasts of the Lord

-the Three areas of the Tabernacle

-verses such as "Ask,Seek ,Knock"

-When I recorded my double CD( in readiness for the 3rd level message) called "Early Harvest" I saw "They overcame him with 1.the Blood 2.Their testimony 3.Laying their lives down even unto death.

-This year in prophecy I was twice given the Revelation verse as 3 stages "Behold,I stand at the door and Knock,...1.he who opens the door 2.I will come in to him and eat with him3.And he with Me. And this year God has been labouring that now we are to do the third thing,come round His house and eat with Him at His place. This is very much the message of Mark Stibbe and Peter Stott currently.

I would like to now leave this foundation stage. I hope that you are starting to see we are in something more amazing than we ever realised. I hope there are enough witnesses to give you more confidence that I am not just a lone shooter here. I will do my utmost to prepare a list of books and messages that have brought me to these conclusions. And I want also to properly catalogue the subjects covered in the vaults of Dan's blog since February.

Every blessing. Let's move on.

Collision Or Embrace or Both? A Hadron Question

As Sheila might have suspected, this post had a certain inevitability about it given the launch of the Hadron Collider. BBC Radio 4 gave the whole day to it. Children everywhere including Ben, have been having end of the world nightmares, and one child in India committed suicide. How careful the media reporters have to be on sensitive issues.

For 36 years I have been prophesying in meetings. For 20 years I have been carrying the corporate " entering into" of the third level described by this blog. But this has only become public this year. Interestingly enough, while there may be oblique references to us moving on as a Body....most of my prophecies this year have been about relationship with Jesus and the Father. This further goes to prove, those who prophesy do not choose their subjects. They don't say to themselves...oh, I think I'll say this today.

Although I began this post mid-week, today is Sunday and I was singing and proclaiming about "testimony" today. A good deal of that has been unpacking itself since hearing Rob Rufus speaking about "testimony". Rob Rufus' preachings are peppered with third-level concepts - only he would never describe them as such. Probably wisely.

"Third Level "items are cultural distinctives of a Body that is maturing, and their only relevance is in relationship to our former manner of running Body Life. They are changes that the Holy Spirit is sovereignly making, without some denominational head's say so, or charismatic stream leader's approval. Here is one such Rufus-ism and third-level item. Rob said he dislikes being known as Pastor Rob...or if he is called that , then he reserves the right to address someone as plumber Dave.

The more the third-level message gets out :of Christ in us as us, the more the concept of ministries per se pales away. For example, Norman Grubb calls this whole level, "the apostle level", or "father level". One of my first-ever posts on Dan's site (seems like years ago)was:" Chris said...A safer view of ministries has been stated by Ed Miller who helped father the 50s Argentine breakthrough, and various subsequent moves. He talks of them as taxi drivers.Taxi drivers to the throne of God. Once they have done their task, they actually have less relevance. The end goal of ministry being to reproduce Christ in others. comment to 31st Jan 2008"

Do you remember the Mel Tari books on the Indonesian Revival? "Like a Mighty Wind" and "The Gentle Breeze of Jesus". Apart from the staggering miracle content, the thing that really stood out was their tone. Humility. Normality. No hype. Just: Jesus is alive and does these sort of things,OK? They were a team of people who loved each other, each with their distinct personalities, who went out proclaiming the message. No special ministries. No special names. No conferences. Nope. Just lots of jungle. And facelessness.

This was and is still happening as a result of the Florida Outpouring. I mean who has has ever heard of Matt? From Rustington. Don't know his surname. Yet he has permanently impacted a mass of teenagers at RiverCAMP.

OK that was all an insert.....back to the subject of prophecy.......... Many times this year I have gone into meetings determined to say nothing, because from an English "retiring personality" point of view I have overstepped the mark already. Then I'm off prophesying again. The now Word into the Body, being conveyed by people such as Mark Stibbe , Peter Jackson of Shaftsbury and our own Peter Stott is about coming home to the Father. If this was just a nice trendy talk, that would be one thing, but the most incredible signs and wonders are following this message everywhere. See a copy of Peter's comments for example about what is happening this week (my comment on Dan's blog).The Bible records two types of collisions (probably more - but these two anyway) The colliding embrace of the Prodigal Son with his running Father, and the collision Jacob had with an angel or God Himself in a pre-incarnate form, we don't really know, in Genesis 32:22.

My question is are they the same thing in different manifestations or are we talking about the unfolding of two entirely different experiences in God?

The Hadron Collider explodes atoms in order to view their constituent parts....many of which will never have been viewed before. Later I'll talk about a God Collision.

The prototype revelation of God, which He subsequently sowed into the ground, in order to gain more and more sons in an ever-expanding version of this same revelation, took three generations to unfold. The revelation given to Abraham,then Isaac, then Jacob. This was quite specific and why God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If it was not meant to be as self-contained, presumably a whole further genealogy of names would have been trotted out. But no....it is again a matter of the three stages of revelation which we have with us to this very day.....no more so, because, for the first time in history a whole generation are being called into the Third Level, or Jacob revelation simultaneously. This is referred to in Psalm 24 :6 as "This is the generation of those who seek You, o God of Jacob."This subject is not just Chris Welch going off on one.....this is God now deciding that we as a Body are now corporately well-grounded in the Abraham and the Isaac revelations, and now is the time for the unfolding of the Jacob experience of God. "Seeking His Face".The Abrahamic Covenant concerned the Body believing God and it being reckoned to us as righteousness. Believing on the death and resurrection of Jesus for our salvation. The brazen altar. Also, our obedience to sign on the dotted line of God's New Covenant by our water baptism, and our receiving of the cleansing , washing waters of the Spirit by asking Jesus into our heart. Both describe The Laver (v.18).

The Isaac Covenant is one of Grace Provision. Many commentators look at Abraham and Jacob, then at Isaac and say, well what did he do? He opened wells Gen 26:19. Again and again. Opposed at every turn. He is a figure of the Corporate Pentecostal blessing which has driven us into testing, into a crash maturation process. All we seem to be doing is opening wells and then forced to move on. A lot of maturation comes with us brushing up against orthodoxy(Our Ishmael half-brother), sons of God after the flesh. Some, I said some notice, of our brushes are with denominational approaches to Christianity. Or even in independant churches, this dreadful man-made approach to running churches...even after having received the Spirit. We echo Paul in Galations..."Who has bewitched you??"The third and most important foe is none other than ourselves. Our own Ishmael attempts at doing the Christian Life. I'm afraid it all has to stop!Like Ed Miller, we just stop! Doggedly and determinedly, one day we make a decision...God I'm not doing another thing until You do something through me. I am absolutely not going to fake this stuff anymore. And you know what. God likes that!!!

The wells were pre-dug. This is grace. We receive miracle anointing by grace. We receive the Spirit by grace. Every supernatural gift manifested in our meetings is by grace. Will always be by grace. Then, much as Brad Jersak or others who criticise faith ministries of the 80s...but shockingly , yes, abundance,blessing,riches, all this is included in this stage of revelation see Genesis 26:12, even if at this stage our abundance seems only expressed in our capacity to survive...since with the Devil's onslaught we should surely be dead. Bit like Moses in the desert with his sheep. Exactly how prosperous was he? But he was still alive...after 40 years of it!!! And SO ARE WE.

This is like the Holy of Holies where there is no natural light...only the light of the Holy Spirit. Meetings and churches which make no sense at all but for the experience of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit...experienced individually, but baptising us into our first experience of being a corporate Body...the Body of Christ on earth.

The Jacob Covenant. This is the final revelation stage. We all thought that with the Abraham and Isaac revelations we could swing into the Earth and fulfil Ern Baxter's vision of Going Into the Land (Awe-inspiring and door opening Dales Bible Week 1976) Morris Cerullo grabbed Ern to minister for several months into his newly formed San Diego Schools of Ministry in the late 1970s. These guys have gone on to build huge "warehouses"...hopefully they are more than this...but they really are huge...25,000 or more in one church.

But hold on fellas....there is another anointing, another step to God's Covenant with us. "Seeking the Face of the God of Jacob".This is the Hadron Collider. Throwing up particles in us we never knew we had. The Apostle Peter openly swore violently that he had never even met the man Jesus. Juan Carlos Ortiz talks about John Bunyan's description in Pilgrim's Progress as being too mild. Not laying down your burden at the Cross....but an atom bomb being laid underneath your whole life. What the Bible describes as the Altar of Incense in our approach to the Holy of Holies. Or the Day of Atonement in the Third Feast, the Feast of Tabernacles(14-16).The Jacob Covenant revelation is the last one. It is after this Jacob became Israel. Then history really started happening. The third Level isn't some nice bi-product kind of Christian blog ministry. This is the level where we start unravelling where things went wrong in the beginning in Genesis 3:5. You don't put this right by asking Jesus into your heart. You don't put this right by being baptized in the Spirit. But you do put it right as a Body, by having a Name change.Christ operating in us as us. A Name change.

Later on I will describe more about spiritual warfare and a third-level view of Intercession. But as a taster, I want to take everyone back to Dales Bible Week 1976. In the article link transcribed by Dan you can see Ern talking about "order". This was the first time we saw the thing about going to conferences, as going up to feasts in our tribes. And as rightly related, and submitted groups (which Ed Miller freaked out at)...yet as proto-type embryonic vision...this was accurate...and in this order, for the first time in recent history we addressed the spirits over regions in England. It was not lightly done. There was awe there. There was some smashing of the lightbulbs. There were many many reported sightings of angels. Stuff, of an order, none had ever felt before was happening in that huge cowshed. We weren't that sure what would happen. What we would stir up.

Then on to the late 80s and 90s. Peter Wagner and Cindy Jacobs, and others in Argentina were understanding more about intercession over regions. Opening up cities and lands for God. This was critical as we came into the 90s, because there were many lands we could not reach. So then there was the 10/40 Window thrust, to reach many of the middle Eastern and Asian lands. As a direct result a whole spate of direct personal sightings of Jesus in these nations has been experienced.Coupled with the raising up of satellite TV. I'll tell you some stuff about Rory and Wendy one day.

What I am now saying is this. Intercession so far has been carried out with Abraham and Isaac Revelation only. Now is the time of the Third-Level anointing. Now is the time of a corporate Name change. Now is the time of a corporate Christ in us as us....when each individual just knows who he or she is. A Body like that, across the Earth, history has never seen. That is the Body I am referring to, and describing here. That type of Body is going to exercise huge and paralysing damage to the devil...but remember it is still only enforcement. Enforcement of what Jesus already accomplished on the Cross. And I guess it is that kind of Body that will, with the Spirit, say "Come!"Revelation 22:17. Notice who they say "Come" to. Not to Jesus, as I'd always thought....but to all those who are hungry and thirsty and want the free gift of the water of Life.

That is the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the Feast of Tabernacles. And so the cyclic sowing and reaping cycle of the Body of Christ continues, from Feast to Feast, from age to age, from God move to God move, the same spiritual laws apply. Unbreakable laws of going into the ground and bearing much fruit. This is evangelism. The surface methods are the means. The preaching. The tents. The Sattellite TV. The church activities. But all are meaningless if the Spirit and the Bride are not saying" Come"by the power of the Spirit underneath it all.

Saffron Planet Picks over Florida

I think, as Dan would say(Life on Wings), there are some valid points here, but some outragious things going on here as well. What do you say?http://www.godspodaudio.co.uk/revival_4.mp3

The Holy Ghost Growing Machine - The Body of Christ

"We can only point to Christ; the Spirit opens people's eyes. I can't make someone grow, but I can speak Truth into their life; the Holy Spirit grows them." Another great quotable sentence from rjw.

The Holy Spirit grows us.
He does it every waking moment, whether we are consciously aware or not.
“Day to day (our surroundings) are pouring forth speech” Psalm 19:2.

He does it through our family and friends. He does it through The Word, written, preached in church , or on God TV. I say the latter because in Iran , say, it is not possible to do much else...save receive direct impartation through God Himself. So far so good...I could be a Methodist or Anglican Minister eh !!!!

Then in 1973, Graham Pulkingham, when he visited our little rural Baptist Chuch with the Fisherfolk, dropped a bombshell. Now today it will seem so yawningly obvious...you won't even read further. But before revealing his words ...listen..this man spoke with the conscious revelation that he had died and his life was hidden with Christ in God. He wouldn't have it that he was baptised in the Spirit on one particular day. He would constantly say, "I was baptised in the Spirit over 3 months on the crypt floor crying, in the Church of the Redeemer Houston."

Whatever happened to him on the insides during those weeks...came out in the words that he spoke. They flashed out of him like a 100Megawatt light flash. They seared the insides of the poor Baptist people who were present. Like phosphor they clung to the clothes of everyone, so that whatever they made of this sentence, whichever way they fell on it, they had been marked for the rest of their lives. He said " WE ARE The Body Of Christ On Earth!!!"

Boy..were there eruptions! Some had never heard anything so proposterous in their whole lives. Some wanted to leave the church. Some made sure that Pulkingham was never invited back.

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One or 2 years later, a fellowship in Emsworth that met on an adhoc Sunday evening basis to explore the gifts of the Spirit and praise and worship, received a travelling Catalunyan/Argentinian by the name of Jorge Pradas (George, pronounced by Paul Ellis in his inimitable Spanish as Hawkeye. I thought I'd come into a right sect here!! It was the days of the mass suicide of the sect in the South American jungle. My mum was so scared!)

Jorge said more or less the same thing...with the same amount of phosphor from out of the Throne of God. He said," Are you a fellowship...or are you The Church (of the Living God) meeting in Emsworth." And so, under apostolic anointing Emsworth Church was born.

You see , the one thing is undefined, like a "new Cart" that I've been talking about. The other is the conscious decision to walk in the scary uncharted waters of the Order of Melchizedek, or what Bill Johnson, or Mark Stibbe calls The River.

When I am so brutally rude about Terry Virgo, or Rob Rufus, or the apostles headed up by Bill Johnson Peter Wagner or Che Ahn...it is not I repeat, NOT from a spirit like Hank Hanegraaf ..to demean, destroy and dishonour. It is in the spirit of the prophet who was cheery in the morning with David, saying ," Yes, yes David go ahead and build a house for God at Jerusalem." Then that evening he phones up and says..".er David, you know what I said this morning...about you building the house of the Lord...er...You are not going to. You've known too much bloodshed. Your son is going to do it. But tell you what...you can collect all the materials."

Now the Word I have is not as strong as saying to the previous move..."None of you are going to be involved." The Word about the New Cart, comes out of what actually happened at Florida.

Florida, as specifically stated by Bob Jones, and confirmed by Rob Rufus, was not "another Revival". Also it was not going to stop. It is another leap forward of perhaps an ultimately greater order than the leap forward of 1907. IT IS ANOTHER THING entirely.

It contains these factors. Facelessness. Pre-training over years in the hidden places with the Holy Spirit. Nearly all the new anointed teaching and behaviors, and patterns of the Holy Spirit were coming from men in their early 30s. Todd Bentley, Ryan Watts,Roy Field, Todd's team.

It was another order of anointing. It was another order of church. Like the River itself it is contagious. Highly significant for us in the UK was the Word that Florida was primarily NOT for America , but for places like the UK. Every hungry church in Britain has been affected. The way we do church in Havant has changed. Every major conference and camp over the summer in UK has had a different order of anointing in worship, signs wonders and preaching, and conversions. Soul Survivor was amazing, New Wine was amazing, Colin Urquart's one was amazing. River Camp, I say, for all 20 from our church, was absolutely stunning...with Mark Stibbe and Ken Gott.

But the Word I have, which comes out of the misgivings Christine and I had with loads of info about Todd's situation through people , as nice as they are, and as humble as they are, like Peter and Doris Wagner.....is

"Tread warily. You are dealing with a different order of ministry. You are dealing with a different Church Age. Just because you were Christ's apostolic gift to deal with what Ern Baxter in "Thy Kingdom Come" 1975refers to as...The Ziklag job... or the Hebron job....does not presuppose you have the accreditaion transferred to allow you to waltz in and assume you have apostolic authority for the next phase. Now listen to my words...it doesn't mean you don't either. Derek Prince managed to serve the Order of Melchizedek over a series of decades through many changes of level and anointing. (To my knowledge) Michael HarperUK Fountain Trust Pioneer did not. Another speaker in Kansas City in 1975 called John Poole did not. Everyone has to get their visas checked for this next phase.

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The chain picture above shows that the strength of a chain depends on the strength of the weakest link.

When we talk of the Body of Christ. When we use that phrase what is going on inside us? Have we sucked the Blood out of it? DO we use it in the same way as meaning I am in a club, firm, association of people, like IBM, or the State, or the RAC or AA? When I used the stark phrase (Ihave died with Christ, it is not I, but) Jesus Christ in Chris form who lives in me? Did you get angry? Did you just laugh and say "that's weird" or what did you think? I tell you this. The strength of the Body of Christ on earth is directly related to the ability that you as an individual are believing "Christ in me the hope of glory." Anything else is a bunch of people running around still in the lie of Genesis 3:5, as gods in their own right, and when scaled up over the whole Body of Christ, makes us into just another secular institution. As each of us makes the switchover internally , (changeover of our internal seeing) the secondlevel church which sees itself as quite detached from the glory of God(Like on a new cart), actually moves forward into the (new) Levitical order who carry the Ark on their own personal shoulders. It's not just shoved into the hands of the worship band. Or the star preacher. Or our ability or not to pray in the Presence of God for 5 hours.....Why. Because that's where we live .Full time. Knowing there is no separate life. There is no independant life. Never was. It was always Satan wanting to live his independence through me. Since the Cross...Jesus has bought me back as His possession.

The concept of Ezekiel 47 the River is described from a fallen Man's viewpoint. Going deeper into the River until finally diving right in.

The Tabernacle is devised for us fallen men, going from the East (Sin) to being containers of Christ (West).

But the Truth is, from heaven's perspective ....how many of Satan's cancer sin cells dragging you into hell, do you want in your body? Oh I think I'll settle for a count of 25 actually....Nope I don't think so.......You want to get every last drop of independant delusion self life out...now...before it wrecks your marriage,job,health everything. And the Body of Christ is the Holy Ghost growing machine to achieve this.

The Shekinah Construction Company and the Cave - A Church Parable of the last 50 years to the Present Day

My friend Dan (or maybe another Dan) watched from his window as a helicopter descended upon a rough craggy hill a long way in the distance. He could vaguely make out three pallet loads being lowered onto the ground in front of a cave which was hidden in the rocks somewhere near the hilltop. Some people on the ground were then attending to the items and wheeling them into the cave for storage.This all happened in the evening and by morning there seemed to be no trace of anyone working around the outside of the cave.

Then Billy Graham made his way up the hill, peered inside the cave, saw one of the pallets, and made his way down the hill with a pallet truck carrying what he thought was all that was needed for the job in hand. On the first pallet was stacks and stacks of thousands and thousands of invitations, freshly printed.

The Invitation read:

"You are requested to be present at a Shekinah Glory event that will last forever and ever."
The slightly annoying thing about the invitation was the vagueness in time details. The invitation seemed to point mostly to a future date, but did  include some contemporary details, however nobody could agree firmly on them.

Some time later, waves of other Shekinah construction workers came. 
There was Morris Cerullo. Winkie Pratney of Youth With a Mission. There was Benny Hinn. Rheinhardt Bonnke, many others. 

These all peered further into the cave and noticed two pallet loads. The first one as mentioned…but also a second one with perhaps the most important load in terms of content: It turned out to be the Ark of the Covenant with the very Glory of God actually above it. 

This proved very popular because people liked the fact that now the invitations pointed to something that appeared to start now, and went on for ever. The Shekinah celebrations were fantastic and even larger quantities of people were affected as these men all went on the road with their teams. By now also it was easier to teach other workers because the process was made easier by having more than just invitations to study and hand out. There was the real Ark to gaze  and be amazed at, and participate in. 

They discovered the fastest way to carry the Shekinah glory was on a brand new cart pulled by oxen.This had the convenience that the work was done for you, but it also maintained a nice link with the traditions of the past, that everyone admired.
Oxen,you see, added the needed gravitas to the whole affair. 

 Terry Virgo and Rob Rufus would simply pitch up in a new city, bring a crowd of people with them,skilled in the contents of the two pallets, wheel out the Shekinah and within a few weeks or a couple of years at most they had built "warehouses of the grace of God ", like PCWorld scattered all over the globe. Che Ahn was brilliant at this, so was Yonghi Cho. It was so impressive.

Just one thing though. One thing nobody seemed to notice. Dan had seen three pallet loads being put into the cave. A young man called Todd Bentley became aware that there were in fact three pallet loads in the cave and began wheeling the 3^rd one out of the back of the cave for inspection. It was the Florida Revival. Something new was happening!

Todd became increasingly irritated with the other men who had gone before, but he found it difficult to put his finger on why. Because, as they all assured him, they had the invitations, and the most important thing of all, the very Shekinah of God. Joseph Prince was really adamant about this. So Todd , although aware of the third pallet, never actually got to unload it properly and just buckled down, as instructed by Wagner, Che Ahn and others who were on TV, to a daily maintenance check of the new cart.

Todd had more and more trouble with his personal problems. Somehow the grace that Rob Rufus and Joseph Prince were talking about was not helping him as he was driving the cart forward. Rob Rufus, Joseph Prince and many others made encouraging noises to do with Romans Chapters 3,4,5 and 8. Dan wondered to himself, if Todd Bentley had been instructed properly about the contents and usage of the third pallet by his mentors from the beginning, whether he would have had so much trouble.He also noticed that New Cart preachers never went through Romans 6 and 7 properly.

Instead,every time Todd Bentley had personal problems, all would ask about his Cart maintenance schedule.( In fact all the previous apostles of the Shekinah Glory (ON THE CART INC), gathered round Todd at one point, to officially recognise him as a full OX CART evangelist as if he had been an OXCART Fellow Seminarian.) Todd pointed out that his Cart schedule was already pretty hefty, working out at 5 hours. The others reminded him that Benny Hinn thought 6 hours was necessary and carried on driving their own carts forward.

Pretty soon , as with all previous revivals, sooner or later the cart hit a severe bump and Todd was reprimanded very firmly by some and beaten into the ground by others. But the one thing that Dan noticed was that nobody had even mentioned that the third pallet had made a brief if somewhat unexplored appearance in front of the cave.

Dan went out of his house to take a closer look. When he arrived at the cave, in the darkness he could see that the Zerubbabel group (http://www.zpress.org/newsletter/) had already taken the cover off the pallet and were already working with the content quietly and unnoticed. What on earth was it? It appeared to be two long wooden poles or something. He asked them what they were going to do with the two poles? Were they going to carry the Ark of the Testimony with it? They said they didn’t believe in the experience of the second pallet. But they were gilding the poles quietly and that they would be happy with that and handing out invitations from the first pallet. (Rob Rufus had told Dan not to have anything to do with the poles. That’s New Age he said. I used to see fakirs sitting on top of them before I was converted. Have nothing to do with the third pallet Dan. It’s all grace and oxcarts now.)

Dan asked Zerubbabel,” But what about Che Ahn? Rob Rufus, Joseph Prince? Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn? Youth With A Mission? “ “Never heard of them”, they replied. “Are they people on TV? We don’t do TV. And we believe the gold on the poles is everywhere, and that is enough for us.”

Dan was a bit shocked. Also he could see a long and protracted debate going on between them and people like Madame Guyon, and Mother Basilea Schlink, R.Edward Miller , Ruth Heflin, and Gene Edwards. They were all saying the poles should be called brokenness, like the pole that Jacob leaned on, and the staff that Moses had which budded. But Zerubbabel were adamant that these poles of the Christ Life within had now superceded everything else, because they reversed the original root problem in Genesis 3:5. So Dan went away totally bemused.

He thought to himself: "Rob Rufus , Terry Virgo ,Joseph Prince, Morris Cerullo, Che Ahn all had the second pallet, but hadn’t much clue about how the third pallet contents worked, or weren’t entirely sure of the pallet's existence. Because after all, it was grace, and the New Covenant! All you needed to do was drive a new cart around with the songs ,message and contents of the first and second pallet.  

Zerubbabel were familiar with the third pallet as were many others from the past, but didn’t feel it had any connection with the 2^nd pallet. Which was a bit odd...since the poles were only made to operate with the other pallets. They just liked the poles as they were, now gilded. And Todd Bentley was sitting in the corner of the cave confused, somewhat battered, and believing that somehow there was a way that all three pallets could be used together, so they could do away with the rather rubbish new cart way of pushing the glory of God around."

I SUBMIT THIS FOR DISCUSSION

The Basis of the Florida references comes from a report that was sent me surrounding the last weeks, that I have also sent Dan Bowen. Both Christine and I have been puzzling over the different strands of things that were taking place in Florida.