Sermon Blues by Chris Welch

in Facebook (Notes) on 28 March 2013 at 11:51 AM

Pastor: I can't get a sermon.....I've been thinking all week.
Jesus : Who says you have to have one?
Pastor: It's my job d'oh. That's what they pay the tithe for. I am employed by them.
Jesus: Who said they had to tithe?
Pastor : Everyone knows Christians have to tithe
Jesus : I said people could give and give generously from a willing heart. I never said about tithing. That whole thing was for a different time, a different people and an old covenant. This is the new covenant in My Blood.
Pastor: Well if I didn't tell them they had to tithe no one would give.
Jesus: Firstly....you'd be surprised how freewill works. Secondly, what's the problem anyway? Go out and get a job.
Pastor: I haven't got time I'm leading a church remember?
Jesus: Who said you are leading the church? I thought I was?
Pastor: I know we say that, but the fact is if I didn't do it then nobody would.
Jesus : Good
Pastor: What do you mean good?
Jesus: When nobody leads, then that gives room for my Spirit to raise some men up in ministry gifts and all the others to give as the Spirit gives them utterance or gives them instruction.
Pastor: But pastors are in charge.
Jesus: Where does it say that? Rabbis are in charge under the Old Covenant. Where does it say that under the New?Jeremiah said "They do not teach each other anymore each one his neighbour for each of you shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest."
Pastor: That all sounds like Quakerism to me. And Quakers now invite Buddhists in, and anybody says anything they like. Completely wrong doctrines as well as right doctrines.
Jesus: Perhaps they are not connected to Me anymore and the Melchizedek Order. For you are all priests now after the Order of Melchizedek. You are a nation of kings and priests.
Pastor: Well I wish that was so, but many people do not even know you.
Jesus: Well perhaps you should be telling them that all can know Me, I included everyone when I stretched my arms open and died.
Pastor: So you are saying I shouldn't be in charge?
Jesus: Nowhere does it say a pastor is in charge. It says I gave many pastors for taking care of the sheep. It also says I gave many ministries for the equipping of the saints. Where are your apostles?
Pastor: We've got one apostle. He visits now and again. But he's far too bossy and I am in charge here.
Jesus:You are not in charge. Neither is that apostle. I don't give one apostle. Paul wrote "Not many are fathers". There are several fathers moving between churches, just as there are many prophets and pastors and teachers all moving in and around a local church.
Pastor: I've never heard of such a thing
Jesus: None of you modern pastors read the Bible much do you?
Pastor: I read the bits I like
Jesus : It says all ministry is given for the equipping of the saints.
Pastor: I don't see that as practical. How can ordinary what you call minstries possibly be adequately trained to run 3 year courses with exams and a certificate? It's just not practical.
Jesus: The equipping of the saints has nothing to do with three year institutional courses with exam certificates.
Pastor: It doesn't? That's how I got mine.
Jesus: I never gave you that certificate. I wouldn't give you any certificate.
Pastor: Now you are being rude.
Jesus: I wouldn't give you a certificate of paper because I have already given everything you need in Me. I write my Living Law right across your being...this is how the New Covenant works. When you are mature in it, you find yourself imparting it, others recognise it, and "a man's gift makes way for itself" Proverbs says.
Pastor: I teach being born again. I teach forgiveness received by faith because of your work on the Cross.
Jesus: You only preach one sacrifice. You only preach the Blood
Pastor : What are you saying now? There is only one Cross.
Jesus: I spelled it out in the Old Testament. One animal was slaughtered for sin. The other was sent away into the wilderness. It's the only way I could represent two things at once back then. It's the Blood and the Body.You were not only forgiven...but you also died in Me. I took your spirit and that of all in Adam in My Body into death. And I raised you all up as living spirits fused in Me. You are all new creations.
Pastor: They never told me that one. I studied for 3 years. I studied all about eschatology and the terrible history of the church. What you are saying is a different gospel.
Jesus: No. This IS MY GOSPEL. Unless you eat of my flesh and drink my blood you do not have any life in yourselves. What YOU are preaching is a different gospel. The gospel you preach leads to the terrible church history and a meaningless eschatology because nothing works.
Pastor: This is all doing my head in. And I still haven't got a sermon.
Jesus: This is all doing My Body in. And perhaps you have no right yet to give a sermon until you let me write My one in you.My Body builds itself up by that which each joint supplies. But nobody can supply anything other than that which I have already supplied. The Holy Spirit is given to make known to you all that which is mine and is now yours.It is not by power, nor by might, but everything is now by My Spirit says the Lord.If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation entirely, the old has simply passed away....the new is already here.
Pastor: You have criticised just about everything I do. I am not sure I and the congregation will ever change.
Jesus: It is as hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle .
Pastor: How am I rich?
Jesus: You have status with man, but outside of My Cross, none with me. You have people forcibly paying you a tenth of
their income every week even though this is not in the New Covenant. You want to be in charge of my works, yet do not recognise My Charge and the way I operate. You do not know more of the gospel than an Old Testament rabbi, who also believes in forgiveness by faith in God on the Day of Atonement. You are rich but outside of Me, and in reality you have little or nothing. Yet you will not relearn.
Pastor: Jesus, it's hard for me to ever relearn. I am in my forties. I would look foolish if I ever said my training was insufficient.
Jesus: Do you want emptiness, or do you want Life?
Pastor: I want your life,but I am not prepared to admit to any congregation I am wrong. I would be out of a job, and then who would pay for my living?
Jesus: I am your Supplier. I am all you need.
Pastor: *silence*

Jesus: Then I will send out into the highways and the byways and compel others in, for the sons of the Kingdom have refused the wedding invitation and the celebration WILL BE GREAT in the Honour which the Father has given Me, in the honour of the Holy Spirit's work, and in the honour of the Father who completes every work perfectly and abundantly.

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• Chris Kimmell, Tunji Ayoade, Gail Cochrane and 2 others like this.
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  Rich Novek Amen Chris, a perfect picture of the different gospel in action...thanks!

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  Lydia Joy Shatney AWESOME!!!

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  Gail Cochrane Chris......now THAT is a CONVERSATION!!!! And one that is so needed today!! Thank you, Chris.

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  Tunji Ayoade The Blood and the Body combination action in redemption. . .

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  Cliff Gableman I wonder how many "pastors" could or would receive this message? Thanks Chris.

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  Rich Novek My guess not too many, way too much to lose!

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  Ray E Horton Good message. After being with good churches so long, I forget there are probably pastors out there that need to hear this.

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  Carol Lucas Winkler I do believe there are churches, and pastors, who are like this, but i will say that i had a pastor who had a heart for God, and he truly loved everyone the same. He was a big giver, and he was down to earth. He didn't condemn, or try to squeeze money out of people.He was always giving money away. His love, and joy, and lifestyle are the things that made me want Jesus. Religion can be ugly, and hard, but we can't throw all pastors under the bus. I loved going to that church, for 16 years, until we moved. It was like a family, and the pastor was like our brother. I understand why so many are down on church, and pastors, because i have never found a church like the one i attended for so many years. I was taught about the love of God. I am thankful i had that pastor, and that preacher, when i was young, and knew nothing, at all, about the Lord. There have been pastors, in churches i visited, who were out for money, and fame, and numbers. It is sad...

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There's not too many prizes given out in Water Parks

Chris in a Facebook Note
Friday, 28 October 2011 at 23:50


Every few years the Body of Christ relaxes. The various things that have been "seen" and "called" as if they ARE, take on material form.




As the Bible says, whatsoever begins in the secret place as a whisper, some time down the road is declared with the same sort of clarity as a megaphone blasting through a Muslim City calling Muslims to prayer.

It's not subtle anymore.
It's not spoken nervously between saints for fear of what believers who are still following something 40 or a 100 years old might say.

Like Daniel's rock from the mountain, the momentum rush it has gathered is frankly frightening, there is little humans can do about it. And rather like jumping into a swimming pool, a lot of the rest of the Body actually accustom themselves to the new situation. The water is by now warm. There are more in this current pool than are out. People sigh and lean back into the stream which carries them like those global water parks. (I love them).

Are you sensing a but?
Well the but is simply this. You've caught something of the temporary outer form of the church....the particular new wineskin. Maybe that is commendable...especially because the older we are, the more myopic generally our vision. We forget that teenagers and young adults, in order to function for another fifty years or so, have to receive a corresponding vision blueprint for their generation. Um....it seems to be growing exponentially each generation!

But...by the way....you see, all of Africa have already switched off because they are thinking Jesus is coming back for the church in its current state. They dont need vision.

They only need faith for Jesus to come back the way He went.

Anyone think that that kind of faith which calls Jesus back is somewhere at the end of Revelation after every last page?

No ofcourse not, because pastors and teachers working out of their minds and with no Holy Spirit confirmation going right across all the streams worldwide have concocted stories and meanings which push any of faith for today out into the dustbin.

They say..."but it says, by this hope we purify ourselves?" Well two things. Do you have a clue about what purification is in the Spirit and in grace?

And two. Both America and Africa have been thinking this stuff for several centuries now and in Africa there has been more corruption than ever, and in the USA Christians equally as well as non Christians have co-engineered with globalists more or less the whole of their framework for them.

The Rothschild family banks, apparently, are behind 50% of all the world's capital.

Anybody think that has anything to do with purification?

In Britain we have sourced the whole plan because as you may or may not know, the only nation in Europe who knows about Bible prophecy seems to be Norway. Which is why Death metal is so accurate in their lyrics. Everyone learned it from their grandmas. Since Darwin and before, Anglicans couldn't give a hamster's shopping bag for Bible Prophecy, so the English blithely whistle there way right into it, actually being one of the main global orchestrators.
I didn't mean to say that...... My main point is this.


As you relax again, in a short while, as we see another of the great materializations of the Kingdom take place, and you settle into your yellow WaterPark dinghy and let your cute pastor manhandle the circular whirlpool of your 5000 or 50 strong church, remember this:

"Getting the outer stuff"- as in," understanding it once it has arrived" is not really what we are doing here on earth.

You may have noticed how quickly the Ark suddenly looked quite useful once the rain storm began, but Noah's family were all inside and God had shut the door.

I'm not saying whether the Kingdom will be completely like that because there are loads and loads of pictures for our instruction throughout the Bible and more recent history too.

So what am I saying? I'm saying we have a choice.

To believe the unseen that our heart is saying, and the ideas and plans that the Holy Spirit gets us to read from God's book. Or believe what we see with our eyes.

Let's talk real history. An enormous amount of very clear prophetic stuff based on the Reality in our space and time of a Living working Body of Christ was pouring forth through countless people worldwide.

Yet the hearers I meet 40 years on have that glazed cynical look I know so well from people my age and ten or 20 years older. And in that tired weariness they run their churches and networks like a Magic Roundabout for the faithful every Sunday....a bit like waiting for the Angel to stir the waters at Bethesda.

How tired they are?

They dont have any time for me, well not unless I talk pianos. In fact many of us have learned to read these guys in about 2 seconds, and in that 2 seconds we are deciding three things.1. Pianos. 2.Do I struggle to waken them up a bit and shake their crocodile glazed eyes? Or 3. if they respond to breeziness, llightness of spirit, I have already made a decision by the time my mouth opens.I'll go for it.

Most of the UK Apostolic Network people have long ceased from believing anything from our generation. They are all reading "safe" evangelical literature again. Dunstable, get this, Dunstable Church, the pastor that used to drive Ern Baxter round Britain and must surely been at his key anointed messages....the guy preaches every Sunday how there ARE NO GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT. Whaaaaat!

That's very similar to Einstein saying "Hmmm...I think all that we can ever know about the universe is Newton's truth : Apples on trees fall downwards!" It almost makes you want to become a nun in the Mary Sisterhood in Darmstadt where I stayed.

I dont look right in the dresses though!

Do you know? I have never once had to try and encourage Francois DuToit? Yet he is that same generation. You dont look at his eyes and think....how sad and tired? I'll get my bicycle pump out.

Check him out!

So the main point is, there really aren't fabulous prizes for people that only believe the outside things when they happen.

You  know what I mean -  the things that are safe enough for New Wine Conferences and Spring Harvest.because most people are ready for that message now.

Everyone is deceived into thinking they are part of the process, because Bill Johnson has chatted everything he has learned the hard way over 25 years. No. You havent learned a thing!

You've learned what came from the Father's heart direct to someone else's heart usually a generation or two ago and momentarily you are stepping on their cloak tail as they walk through the hall.

You havent learned anything about receiving in faith and not dropping the ball. Actually most of us have dropped the ball a gazillion times, but we figured...nothing else is nearly as worth even thinking about as this...so if I'm only just an empty-headed dreamer, I am going to pick up the ball again.


You see, let's be frank. I didn't leave university in the precise timing of God with nothing after my name to be fobbed off with churches like Andy Elmes or Havant locally, or Emsworth either.

Yes I'll name them. Because they are in our patch.
I left university for churches that can hold an anointing like Ern Baxter ministering in Kansas City. Or for many frankly supernatural  things that happened in the Dales Bible Week.

And you know something. You know something. I almost got it!

Emsworth in the early 80s,
and some of the churches Daniel Yordy was with.

It's just NOT ONE OF US KNEW how the 3rd level worked....so God's cloud came and went. But it's real! And like the dove that tried to settle on the new Earth off of Noah's boat, .....it's bloomin well on it's way, like it or lump it crocodile faced glazed eyed leaders of my generation.

Actually....want to really see some glazed sad hopeless eyes go to a Christian bookseller's convention. Especially since most of us are now writing daily to each other and getting instant worldwide response online...they have made crocodile faces into an institution. It's probably the second most defunct trade to my one : Piano-s


Just the week or so after Andy Elmes got converted , his guru Vaughan Jarrold brought down a container load of prophets from Reading University. (Aah, you didn't expect that?) Vaughan set them all loose on Elim Church in Portsmouth. One looked at me and said "Titanic". Then he asked what my profession was?

"Ummm...pianos."

So maybe some of you need to start listening to me......LOL....like immediatel....blub....blub.....bl.....b.....
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