So Where Is City On a Hill ? Parts 1 and 2

 

A few of us have been through this Christian divorce game. John Stevens had an awful time pioneering this new epidemic with Grenville Harding , one of UKs extraordinary Christian orchestral composers . They weren't married to each other !!! LOL.

I seriously think we have under estimated two huge sources of friction.

Now the Bible in the early days warned us of being yoked with unbelievers.

Well blow me down , each blooming level in Christ is having fallout .

50 years ago we were having this new trend of evangelicals divorcing their now baptised in the Spirit spouses.

Now as we go Romans 6 to 8, a fresh load of spouses are kicking up.

Not just spouses.....each Spirit door we go through, whole churches can split.

Can Two dwell together?

Well in Jesus Christ the Father and the Spirit , yes . They are the real Source High in the Third Heavens . Inside the psalm 91 Shadow of the Most High we can walk together .

This is called seeing with a single eye .

That's one course of friction .

Then we come to Surrounded by idiots book, 1 Corinthians 12:14-26, and the 4 Woods Tabernacles realm.....of the comely leadery organised tree

The productive Mark type palm tree

The Sturdy Oak type vast ancient to modern knowledgeable Luke tree

The willow , burden carrying ....Germans say Last Traeger tree or intercessor tree .

I fiercely defend the willow tree as not always being sad and mopey. In the choleric , sanguine, pragmatic group they are called melancholic ....

But I can assure you psalm 126 describes what happens after the pain and burden bearing, when the breakthrough comes .

Like Benny Hinn, having been baptised in the Spirit with fire ,I wanted everybody to have this . Both of us spent huge amounts of teenage time on our own , in my case because my parents were marking books at night , and my brother didn't want much to do with my born again beliefs .

But my twenties were a fantastic release as we saw churches move secondlevel . So , no , once we see God bringing breakthrough , we aren't just mopey willow trees .

That's my present confidence that when God said to me in 1988 or so " there's a whole other level yet ", and a few months later I learned 60 year missionary leader Norman Grubb had written Yes IAm , Chapter 31, On Now to the Third level , I thought......I'm not going mad .....God really audibly said that in the Old egg farm area of Winsley House on Thorney Island near where I am now in Hampshire UK.

So we have two sets of friction points.....

Legacy Christian , born again Christian , Spirit filled Christian and Union believing or father stage of growth believer. 1 John 2 only really starts at the born again, welcoming in stage, kind of John chapter 3.

Then we have the fact that all four frequencies of Matthews Marks Lukes and Johns wind each other up . Until they are mature!!!!

So perhaps we should be honest....

I take this spouse to have and to hold providing they stay at the same believing stage as me , and providing they are the same quartile as me , and when they make a change, we will divorce, cut our combined wealth in two , shred the kids in two so they never ever come to Jesus , and put pressure on the housing system by demanding two homes instead of one. I do.

Because as we all know Jesus being Lord of everything , could never sort our niche problems.

This is currently true right across society, after Tavistock Institute have divided nations, and it's also true of all the silly little pyramid rabbi church synagogues lining our high streets proclaiming the powerlessness of Jesus in every place.

The Government is Upon His Shoulders

 

Firstly, as the last post said, "The enemy doesn't come in like a flood, God does"

Secondly, The meaning of Isaiah 9:6 "And the government shall be upon His shoulders "does not mean what Ashkenazy Talmudist Jews, ZioNazis, and various Christian Triumphalists of the flesh think. 

How could it mean that ? God doesn't build in angelic hierarchies. The whole of the sin and judgment order comes from the aberrant Genesis 3 condition. It's in place like a schoolmaster that is extremely useless as a mathematical shape, and doesn't serve the bottom in the slightest . 4 Billion people live on under $5 a day. The schoolmaster of Law and outer forms of justice, which by the way , Isaiah 59 warns us , they too have a sell by date, when they are too corrupt to function., all these ineffective schoolmaster means lead us to the reign of Christ who is already King over His own Order. 

Satan is only allowed the slender Genesis 3 platform of us living in the self for self delusion of independence.

 Even if we are trying to be good it's still a "work", an external effort, it's not coming from God spontaneity. 

 Enthusiasm says what it is on the tinlid. EN THEOS. In Godness.

 Secular Dodoism, especially since the Enlightenment, behaves like a fish in a goldfish bowl, describing anything outside the limited goldfish bowl as unreal, like oxygen and the ability to walk around, doesn't exist, when humans are daily proving to goldfish , we do exist and walking around is fine. 

 Secular Dodoism says "we have religion". No . We have received a whole new crack at everything with zoe life from above. It's a condition that doesn't even reference Genesis 3, because living outside the main life source which still remains possible if we fall back into the self run front of house soul delusion, is unpleasant, has no life flow, and very bad repercussions. 

 Everybody has the freedom to drive a car in the lefthand ditch of a motorway or cross lanes into the righthand oncoming traffic lane, but most of us don't like the permanent headache ...err death.... caused by not simply using the motorway for what it was made. This is why Talmudists and even Orthodox Jews who know Ezekiel 28 spells trouble, so they haven't wanted to return to Israel yet, this is why both are wrong. 

Thirdlevel Christianity , the Father level in 1 John 2 is just the return to normal life in God, but with the added bonus of finding ourselves inside a new Melchizedek Order. 

The early versions appeared with people like Moses and the Prophets. Think how Talmudist and Ashkenazi Zionist Moses was, operating from the flesh to try to do something about Egyptian slavery?

 He killed a slavedriver. Then he had to flee. All the options of royal life were lost in an instant. But there as he was tending sheep, God was still reassuring him and then one day presented with a burning bush, plus effectively an open cheque of Word of faith when God said "Just use my Name , I am. Say I am sent you. " Next thing after the fantastic deliverances, Moses was being caught up into a heavenly priestly blueprint which he is tasked with reproducing in an earthly form, plus a temporary Levite priesthood, to give some kind of example of the true universal priesthood in Christ. 

Jews , meanwhile,have been working an incredibly complicated human , mechanical programme to try to achieve God's own promises in Abraham. They have completely missed the point. Jesus IS installed on the holy hill, even though all kings are raised to gather against his rule, yet to look Christian like Hapsburgs and Merovingian royalties, by attending the most crazy forms of artificial Christian Churches which don't go anywhere because nobody is born again.

 God already demonstrated how His Government is Not might and power and pyramids of Egypt or Babylon , "It's by My Spirit says the Lord". Israel gathered round the Live Presence of God in the form of a supernatural pillar of fire by night and pillar of cloud by day. The Government was priestly, and the outer form was quite literally carrying the Ark of the Covenant upon the priest's shoulders. 

When Isaiah spoke Isaiah 9:6 it meant absolutely nothing. Like Isaiah 53 meant nothing .....it was the true Passover ,

Like Pentecost in Acts 2 meant nothing because it bore no resemblance to the first Pentecost Feast, that was full of surrounding fire and clouds and Mount Sinai seriousness, and Moses coming down with two tablets of stone. Acts 2, the birth of the church , had people full of joy and behaving drunk in the Spirit. Toronto Blessing had people making animal noises as well as all the other manifestations. Heidi Baker's ministry life was completely turned around. So how could people even conceive that the true Pentecost is the Giving of the New Spirit of the Law of Life. How could you even come up with that? How could you even come up with the fact that everybody going through the Cross of Jesus , becoming the very Body of Christ under One Head in heaven, and receiving His own anointing oil , described in Isaiah 61, would all become the NEW SHOULDERS carrying the Ark of Heaven in priestly intercession into the Earth . 

The Government is really on these new priestly shoulders of Blood- bought Spirit -empowered people. Paul writes about this new order. 

You are a peculiar....as in a particular reserved people unto God with a calling .

You are a Royal, kingly, regal , ruling priesthood 

You are a holy nation. Levites were only one of the 12 tribes. The other tribes, though they were called the people of God could not be priests. Only the priests could enter into the first inner space of the Tabernacle, called the Holy place. 

NOW, the priesthood call is to all who will. And not only is it NOT one tribe of one particular people, but in the outstretched hands of Jesus, Yashua, on the Cross, we who were MANY peoples are made into one holy nation, who have more in common with one another than with our own secular rather shonky systems of nationhoods. I feel to say two things.....so hang on to the 'having more in common' phrase, I want to add something about Moses priesthood.

 He got to the point where he could influence whether a battle was being won or lost as he raised his hands in intercession. This wouldn't have been a Marvel comic superpower, but it's to do with how the priesthood of God can release angelic hosts in prayer and intercession . Romans 8 says it sounds like the Holy Spirit helping us with groans to deep for words, and He gives us the gift of other languages. It's not by might or power government. It is by My Spirit says the Lord. As more and more understand this, and that is what this next Massive Incoming Move is about , we shall understand more of Ephesians 1.!0 and Tabernacles Roof with holes. 

All the Jews headbobbing in front of the Wailing Wall is an understanding of the priestly role that exercises God's power in all the nations of the earth . Jesus said "My Father's House is a House of Prayer for all Nations" The Lord's Prayer is our priestly template. The three central areas of the prayer are what keeps Satan here on earth , so a lot of the work of the Holy Spirit in our gatherings and in individual prayer is the Genesis 15 work of the hovering burning torch of the Holy Spirit severing our insides from the Genesis 3 spell. 

Our newborn spirit is complete. We are raised in our main being to sit with Christ and to function as Lord of our own body and soul . Its our soul , our mind will and emotions, that we take to the Cross. The Priests keys of the Kingdom which we take into the nations to disciple them are the keys given to Peter :

Repent 

Be baptised in water

Be filled with the Spirit 

We have received in the Bible a three stage of Growth Word. (1 John 2) Its very DNA builds local City on a Hill .

The American gospel is only two stages. The Brits and Europeans who never even left to go anywhere still sit smugly in their one stage of growth gospel. And as Bill Bryson pointed out , Chalfont St Giles' only reference to American history is one little plaque on Milton's cottage, thats how far Britain is out of the loop regarding what God has been doing. 

And for that reason House of Rothschild has been able to run the strategic Luciferian Plan so well , beginning with the Dissolution of the Monasteries, then Elizabeth 1 and John Dee, East India Company and drug routes, and then Chatham House and Royal Institute of International Affairs twinned with Council on Foreign Relations and Tripartite Commission . Today , while I have been writing this, my blog crossed the 4 million page- opening threshold, since Blogger started it's own tightly controlled statistics around 2011. Truly , I have more in common with my blog readers, and let's be frank , most are hungry Americans ,pig sick of podium showman tithe coercion two stage Christianity ...... But others are literally all over the world..... And this is the reality of the priesthood under the Great High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek. King Jesus , the One we love so much for even having anything to do with us, let alone inviting us into the heart of His operations as Book of Ephesians first 3 chapters tells us. 

Don't you think it's cool we don't have to do the American Solo Star thing any more!

We can be a 1 John 1 local bunch of operatives , learning our anointing ,and believing upon Colossians 3.3 and Galatians 2,20 as steady state permanent condtion. ie not just Book of Ezra people , but Book of Nehemiah "out and about people " like Justine Samba if he can keep in good condition . He has been resting recently. So have I . I thought Id broken my back last Tuesday, but I got Ilona Smith to pray for me. On Thursday , somewhat gingerly , and with the help of my clients /friends, I moved a piano .

Backpacker's Guide To Christianity Parts 1 to 3

Douglas Adam's Company seem to have copyrighted any usage of the phrase Hitch Hiker's Guide
So These are the Two  Tracks  Part 1 and 2 Repackaged. U2 in 1990 never granted the permission to use Psalm 40, so I have included the script for Part 3 set in a giant shopping Mall, that didn't really exist yet in UK in 1990.

The script was looking forward to 1995, to a Move of God using places like Malls .

Toronto Blessing happened which was really a foundation of relationship with the Father which was on a new deeper relationship across the Christian world. It makes sense ....because grounded in that , we can call others into that .

Precisely what 1 John 1 is .

 BACKPACKER'S GUIDE TO CHRISTIANITY  copyright A.Christopher Welch 1990

Featuring Harry The Mystic Road Digger

 BACKPACKER'S GUIDE TO CHRISTIANITY PART ONE

 BACKPACKER'S GUIDE TO CHRISTIANITY PART TWO


BACKPACKER'S GUIDE TO CHRISTIANITY PARTIII featuring me and Harry, the mystic Road Digger. 
PART THREE: C. Flippin eck! You said a meeting. There must be 10,000 squashed in here. / H. Yeah. This is one of the only shopping malls in the country that's large and safe enough to hold such a gathering. / C. But where do they all come from? / H. From all over the country. We meet every three months or so. We use the old acid-house party technique of the early 90's where the venue is a secret until 24 hours before the event. / C. But there's so many! / H. Well we followed the multiplication principle of The Book of Acts. Jesus discipled 12, who discipled 120, who discipled 3,000, who went all over Judea doing the same. The problem in previous centuries was nobody knew what discipling was. Now we see it's just getting Jesus into folk so they become 'little Christs' who go off and do the same.... / C. I recognise them .... that's U2 isn't it? / H. Yeah... that's right. They pop over sometimes. Tonight's a bit of a celebration really because the last meeting we had, the Spirit was moving upon us in repentance. Most of us spent 5 hours flat on the floor crying. Well, we washed the floor anyway. / C. Are you responsible for all this? I thought you were just a road-digger. / H. It's true that at the beginning Christ was building this through me. Now though, the Spirit is doing more through about 15 others. The Spirit has got me on the initial stages of a foreign project at the moment. / C. You could get these people to support you. You don't need to dig roads. / H. I'm happy with my headphones on, digging away. I can meditate. The road-firm's paying me to meditate. END. ©No Name Ltd. 1991 INCLUDED "40" (Psalm 40) by U2 from the live album "Under a Blood Red Sky" 1983 Island Records Ltd. Actually U2 Management Disallowed this and the recording of Part Three was destroyed .Irony: At the time U2 were disassociating themselves from UK Christianity and Greenbelt Festival which up until then they had taken part in. This track got caught in the cross fire.But the irony is this....if you attend any of their concerts you get caught up in the great heart of a God whose love is for people...so actually the message of Backpacker's here is closer to what they stand for than the rest of UK Christianity was at the time, all caught up in little denominational boxes.


From my Double CD Early Harvest 1990 A. Christopher Welch  All tracks copyright 1990

The Kingdom message will have lots of offshoots like Rehabs

 

The School Of Faith - Norman Grubb

Here is another post which really encapsulates what this blog is about

I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake. I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.
I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. 1 John 2:12-14




"I write unto you, little children.... I write unto you young men.... I write unto you fathers."

The analogy of human birth and growth make the stages quite plain.
Infancy, adolescence, adulthood. Birth, growth, maturity. The three stages of human development.

And for each corresponding stage in the life in the Spirit, He gives a word of explanation.

First, the little child knows his "sins are forgiven for His Name's sake," and "knows the Father." These we immediately recognize as the initial evidences of the new birth. A new-born babe in Christ has manifested repentance as a confessed sinner towards God, faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ as an acknowledged Saviour, and the inner witness of the Spirit as the evidence of a saving faith. His "sins are forgiven for His Name's sake," and the one who was a God and Judge afar off has now become a Father known and loved in a personal sense. He "knows the Father."

But the infant relationship is a purely dependent and external one. A babe, beautiful though it is in its time, is only on the receiving end of life. It benefits by the "acts" of its parents in nursing and clothing and feeding —that is all. It cannot manage its own affairs, still less contribute to others. Beautiful, but helpless.

Infancy is followed by adolescence. Tempestuous years. The babe must find itself and fulfil its destiny. Its body must be developed, its mind trained, its character established. It must exchange its outward dependence on its parents for inner resources of strength and knowledge, which will fit it to take its place in the world. Painful years of ferment, self-discovery and attainment.Translate this now, with John. into the language of the Spirit. "I write unto you young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."

This is something far removed from helpless infancy, depending on the outward sustenance of its parents. Babyhood reliance on a few simple and external facts of the Gospel, the milk of the Word, has been exchanged for an adequate inner experience. The bitter defeats of early Christian days, the sins of flesh and spirit,, to which he so often succumbed, the powerlessness in witness and service, have been cancelled out by the ever-present power of God.
Now it is no longer Satan the overcomer, and he the defeated-, but Satan the defeated, and he the overcomer. What first came as an external word revealing an external Saviour has now become an inner word revealing an abiding Christ. The young man in Christ has evidently gone through deep waters and found rich treasure. This is the second stage.


The adolescent, though with numberless lessons to learn, is now equipped for the third stage. From being a recipient of benefits he now becomes an earner and contributor. The apprentice becomes the craftsman, the student the teacher.

The young life sheltered by the home becomes the home-maker.
What he once derived from others he now has within himself, an inner reservoir of acquired knowledge, now made his own.

This third stage John calls fatherhood. "I write unto you, fathers." Infancy, adolescence, adulthood. And the one comment he makes concerning the father is that he "knows Him that is from the beginning," Not knows Him just as Father, but in all the mysteries of His being and purposes of grace, who will have all men to be saved. He knows the One from the beginning with whom John starts both his gospel and epistle, and to know this One is to be His coworker, a member of His royal priesthood, a saviour and teacher of others, endued by the Spirit for service, even as he has been saved and sanctified by the same Spirit. In this third stage he has reached the fullest development in the counsels of the Saviour for the members of His body on earth.
—The Liberating Secret


For more see the Yes I am series
http://www.080808onnowto.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/yes-i-am-1-total-truth.html

The Gospel in Africa is not quite the whole ticket

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I was in conversation about the tremendous build up we see according to Isaiah...behold the darkness shall cover the earth and gross darkness the peoples, but UPON YOU!!!!!!!......
 And there our gospels take a fork. I describe my gospel.
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 African brother
 The fact remains that evil will continue to increase but God forbid that we should take part. The bottom line of it all is, prepare to meet with Jesus. We are not here for the world to love us or care for us. As long as we are for Christ the world will hate us. Personally I don't expect the world to be born again, but if the true Children of God will remain faithful, God will be pleased. Lastly, persecution is part of this race, therefore any Christian who pray that persecution shouldn't come has not really started. Never run away because of evil men but run away from evil.

 Chris
 The gospel in Africa is wrong.
 It was brought in by men who were still at I John 2 children stage, or 1 John 2 young man stage
 If you do your research and try to find some 1 John 2 Father stage people you will see the gospel is all about smashing the evil one's works to pieces. For this purpose was the Son of God manifest that He destroy all the works of the evil One.
 But the trick is this....
 as St Paul discovered some of  Jesus' tricks:
 we have to go into death that others may live. Very few Christians are still doing this which is why so much of the devil's work still remains.
 We have to fill out in our bodies what was not sufficient in Christ's own body. In other words Galations 2:20 tells us Christ intends to COMPLETE the JOB in our bodies because we ARE the BODY of CHRIST now on earth.
 This is the Ephesians mystery. The whole process of Ephesians creates these "super fighters for God" in Ephesians 6. This is the spiritual fight that overcomes the world....
 Romans 12.1 offering our bodies as living sacrifices.
 I personally do not know anyone on earth at the moment who resembles the grace of God on St Paul....but that is where we are going. If the former house began with the 12 apostles and St Paul. it says the glory of the latter house shall be even greater.
 As we do a quick trip around the Gates of Nehemiah we see the complete gospel spelled out.
 We begin at the sheep gate and evangelism no 1 and 2 , we take up our cross and experience the loss of all things for Christ ...the valley gate and Dung Gate.
 Totally cionvinced of our powerlessness God baptises us in the Spirit at the Fountain Gate, and we learn from then on to walk according to the Spirit by drawing His spiritual water every day in the Water Gate.
 Once we are fixed in this new identity by His Spirit and by some incredible experiences of pain and glory, we become resady for the Horse Gate, which is like our commission direct from God.
 There are other Gates but one of the last is the Prison Gate or Gate of the Guard. This is the trick that Jesus and Paul pulled off. By letting themselves be "caught" by authorities and taken into prison, (prisoners of the Lord) they sprung open loads of devils traps. Jesus sprung open salvation for all time, Paul sprung open parts of the Roman empire. It is said it is difficult to even number the amount of Christians in some of the cities the growth was absolutelely phenomenal.. Now in Africa in my lifetime we have seen servants of God, who are filled with the Spirit having tremendous impact in millions on Africa, but as I say, these guys do not have quite the same gospel as Jesus and St Paul. They are still fuzzy on Galations 2:20, and the true meaning of the Book of Romans....so imagine what will happen in Africa when 1 John 2 Father stage people start going into action!!!! And this is why when we see the field white for harvest we are not allowed to rush straight into it. We have to "pray the Father that He send forth workers".
 In other words it's supernatural. The original Greek for "send forth workers" is much more explosive. It is like dynamite. It means to "thrust out workers". Men can't do this with organisational skills. This is a God produced thing and is the power behind revival!!!
 God alone, in the Holy Spirit, knows how to take ordinary men and put them through the automatic car wash that gets them from spiritual first graders (the children redemption stage) right through to people like St Paul, who were the father-level people in the first church!!!!

African brother
Please clear me on these. The Gospel in Africa you are talking about is it now or then that is wrong? Secondly do we have different gospels? How can I know the true gospel? Which denomination, tribe or religion will I follow in order to please God?
A few seconds ago
Chris
All denominations are very like the Pharisees and Sadducees in Jesus time. All their spiritual knowledge has been boxed into carnal understanding....(our conscious mind, our left brain, the surface bit of us we talk from). Like the Pharisees, it's not that all they say is wrong, it's just that not having the Holy Spirit they had simplified everything and missed whole chunks of God's truth out.
In the African churches there are many who are born again, very many indeed. There are some who have experienced the baptism in the Spirit experience.
This is like 1 John 2....the young man stage of growth.
Jesus describes the work of the Holy Spirit/the Comforter/the Counsellor He was going to send after He had returned to the Father.
See John Chapter 14.
At the moment there are no churches which teach Father level doctrines, but soon there will be churches like this.
The Father level doctrines are shown by the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth...IF WE WANT IT.

Norman Grubb has written a great last book before he died in the 1990s explaining the book of Romans very thoroughly. The book can be bought online. It is called "Yes I am".
Pastor Patrick Bwayo also understands many things. He lives in Kampala, Uganda.Otherwise just keep asking questions and I will try to answer them by God's help from the scriptures.

The Meaning of Union - Parts I - VIII by David Heisler

It really doesn’t get any better.  Union is not a relationship that can be measured.  It simply is. 

 

 David can be found at 

https://www.facebook.com/david.heisler.7

 

The Meaning of Union I

3 June 2013 at 17:42

In Christian circles the term “union” is used, but what does it mean?  “Union” expresses a “right now” reality for all who believe in Jesus.  We all have “union” or are “in union” with God.  But we may not know it - yet.

The idea of not “knowing” your union and then moving toward that inner knowing is what I am talking about.  The discussion must start with how you perceive yourself at this moment.  That might be the key to how you perceive yourself tomorrow.  There are three very distinct perceptions.  The best scriptural reference I know, and, refer to often, is found in I John 2.12-13:  “I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.“

John refers to three categories:  Children, Young Men and Fathers.  To be clear there are not three categories of believers.  In fact, the reality is that we are all Fathers – we just don’t all know it.  But when we do - we know our “union”.  You always are in union with God, but you might not be fully aware of it at this moment.  But, there are eternal reasons and meaning for each category.

The Meaning of Union II

4 June 2013 at 17:33

The category you find yourself in is merely your perception of yourself.  Of course we all have all sorts of perceptions and thoughts, but these are the basic three – Children, Young Men and Father - at least as far as John saw it.

Now, what does “category” or “perception” mean?  “Children” see themselves in a childlike relationship with God.  Generally speaking that person is relatively new to the faith.  That person might have had a dramatic conversion experience.  God, who was far off, is now near and He is kind and loving and basically, “Daddy”.  It’s a sweet time especially for those who really need a Daddy.  However, the Child is basically a “taker” and not a “giver”.

In the Child stage “forgiveness of sin” is big – for many - really big.  I say that because there are many that come to faith in Jesus with a checkered past.  Their life gets a complete makeover upon faith in Jesus.  So, knowing the burden and the penalty of sin is lifted and that you have eternal life because of the vicarious death of the Savior, life is wonderful and changing, perhaps rapidly.

The reality is that you’re not going to stay a Child forever.  Some try, but inevitably all will move on.

The Meaning of Union III

5 June 2013 at 17:51

I want to mention my thought on the use of gender terminology in the Bible.  Gender is not relevant.  Young “men” are also young "women".  Fathers are also “mothers”.  God, while normally referred to as Father, is also Mother.  In that regard there could be no human or animal mothers, with all the characteristics normally ascribed to mothers, unless those characteristics came from God and were in fact part of the expression of His Person.

So, we have laid out three basic categories – Children, Young Men and Fathers.  Let’s talk more about Children.  Most, new to Christianity, approach it as one would approach anything new – get with the program - find out what you can - associate with others.  Advice is freely given by those more “experienced”. 

Up until salvation God is seen as far off.  He appears to be a separate entity from me.  We seem to exist in the same universe, but He is “up” in heaven and I am “down” here on earth.  But, after salvation - we now know Him, personally, intuitively, and before we did not.  But basically He still appears to be “outside” or “separate” from us.  Christianity is now seen as a thing to be learned, program to do – Bible to memorize, quiet times to have, church to join and go to, bible studies to attend.    It can all get very complicated very quickly.  It did for me.

The Meaning of Union IV

6 June 2013 at 18:31

I became a believer in Jesus at 18 years of age.  I went from being a practicing Jew to getting baptized and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church at Sacred Heart University in Bridgeport, Connecticut. Next, I was baptized Southern Baptist at James Avenue Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Then, after learning about commune living at the Episcopal Church of the Redeemer in Houston, Texas, I attended Bill Gothard’s Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts. And finally, got the "Holy Ghost” complete with my own prayer language. All before the age of 20; not bad for a Jewish kid from New York.

I was a mess.

What happened?   What happened to the simplicity of “Daddy”...my sins are forgiven... and I’m going to heaven?  Well, what happened was my Child stage of Christianity was over and I commenced life as a Young Man.  While my life history may be different than yours, we all have the same feelings, emotions and psychology regarding our progression from Children to Young Men and on to Fatherhood.  However, before jumping into the “Young Man” discussion, it is crucial to understand what Christian “growth” means and to review some basics.

The Meaning of Union V

8 June 2013 at 04:05

Consider a human embryo.  Upon conception that human has the genetic potential for all he or she will ever be.  While the human will grow from a microscopic size to a full grown size – the fertilized egg is complete [genetically speaking].  That embryo will never become more of a human being or a better human being.  In the very same sense the “child” Christian – while new in the faith – is a complete Christian.  In fact, better still, a complete person.  The Child will never become more of a Christian or a better person.  The Child will never be closer to God or have more of Him.  The Christian is 100% complete at salvation.

Now, you would never ever say that because a human being is young or small, that somehow they are not a complete person.  Physical growth does not affect the reality of who a human, or a person, is.   The confusing point is that as Christians we equate Christian growth with getting closer to God by learning more about Him or living a more ethical or moral existence – doing what “Jesus would do” – becoming more “Christ-like”.  This is primarily because in the “Child” and “Young Man” stages, God is still perceived as external or a separate Being – which is a misconception – as He is neither external or separate.

You must thoroughly understand the error of seeing yourself as a participant in a self-improvement program – called Christianity – where you equate growth with gaining knowledge and becoming powerful.

The Meaning of Union VI

9 June 2013 at 01:59

Reality does not get any more basic than the fact that God chose to deem the entire creation lost - not some more than others – just all lost. All need forgiveness – all need a Savior.  What He did at that point did not depend upon a human – with the exception of One – Jesus Christ.  The crucifixion is the one and final sacrifice needed to bring the entire creation to redemption.   And of course, the crucifixion is not just a historical event, but rather eternal.

So, when a person avails their self to the free gift of redemption, a very common prayer used by many upon their first exercise of faith is, “Come into my heart, Lord Jesus”.  Well, that’s actually and precisely what happens.  Why would anyone doubt that?  His Spirit is now joined to your spirit.  His Heart and your heart are one.  An eternal, Holy Union of God to man is created upon that exercise of faith.  It does not get “better” or “more”.  It simply is.  We should be crystal clear on that point.  It really doesn’t get any better.  Union is not a relationship that can be measured.  It simply is. What we are really talking about is “do I know it?”  And the reality is that a Child or Young Man really cannot know their union.  The union is real, but it simply is not for the Child or Young Man to fathom – not at the moment.

The Meaning of Union VII

10 June 2013 at 22:06

So basically, in a flash, you go from lost to found – sinner to saint.  There are no better or worse sinners.  By the same token there are no better or worse saints.  You either are or you are not.  So, if there actually is such a thing as “Christian growth”, it is only in the human understanding not in the reality. 

Christian growth is all about understanding who you are – not becoming who you are.  At the moment of salvation His Spirit formed a union with your spirit.  Despite that truth, through the eyes of a Child or a Young Man, He can still seem distant and a distinct Being.

We now enter the Young Man stage.  Remember how John describes the Young Man:   “… I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one….  I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.” I John 2.12-14

Young Man emphasis is strength, knowledge of the written word, and power to overcome evil.   Young Man is a necessary stage, but it is just that – a “stage”, not a place to remain.

The Meaning of Union VIII

11 June 2013 at 17:47

You must thoroughly understand the error of seeing yourself as a participant in a self-improvement program – called Christianity – where you equate growth with gaining knowledge and becoming powerful.  For a time you must think it is all “about you” – you are strong – you know the bible – you know how to fight satan – you – you – you.  But this stage must end, and it will, at the end of your rope.  You’ve done that once – come to the end of your rope.  You stopped rationalizing, theorizing and avoiding the truth.  You did exercise that mustard seed of faith and commenced your relationship with the King of the Universe.

Now, as a Young Man you will come to the end of your rope again.  The Young Man will attempt to perfect his Christianity – not knowing it is already perfect.  The Young Man will work very hard at Christianity and may spend many years doing just that.  So, what is the “plan”?   The Young Man approaches Christianity as a religion – a self-improvement religion.  He busies himself memorizing scripture, which is a good thing really, fighting the devil and being proud of how strong he thinks he is.  The Young Man will pray “God fill this place with your Spirit” – or – “God give me the strength, or wisdom or faith or whatever – God give me something so I can do [whatever]”.

Yes I Am 31 - On,Now,To The Third Level

Yes I Am by Norman Grubb

Chapter 31

ON, NOW, TO THE THIRD LEVEL

We have seen with unmistakable clarity that there are stages in our becoming settled about who we are by grace, and stages through which we must pass; or we can call them grades from which we must be graduated. We have already looked into two of these… (whatever name we decide to call them): justification and unification - Christ for us and Christ in us.

But the Bible makes it plain that there are three grades, not two - and each equally necessary. We have spent much time on the first two, but it is less recognized that there is a third to be consciously entered into.

In calling them "grades" or "levels of being" there is always a danger that we may slip back into the old snare of self-effort and self-development and think of them as something we have to attain to. "Growth," also, is a common concept we use to denote what we think of as spiritual progress. How often I hear it said, "Well, it has taken you time and will take me time to get there." So we need a constant reminder that spiritual growth, or the attaining of a new "grade," is not some form of painfully acquired self-enlargement; rather it is the same old story, nothing but a growth in recognition of what Christ, our last Adam, has attained for us… which is already ours. That is why growth is spoken by Peter in his Second Epistle with these words: "Grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." Growth, therefore, is merely the next stage of recognition of who we already are in Him; and that recognition, as we now know, is always and only by the nonworks method of faith, and the Spirit is the one who establishes us.


So with this safeguard, we move on to this third level. The simplest description of the three levels (because he uses a down-to-earth analogy) is John’s, when he writes to his readers as "little children," "young men," and "fathers" (1 John 2:12-14). He makes brief comments about what he means, spiritually speaking, by these three stages. A little child is totally dependent externally on his parents and knows nothing but what they outwardly are to him. So a little child in grace knows simply that he was a sinner, that he is forgiven through Christ, and thus, now, God is his heavenly Father. A young man has moved from outer dependence on his parents to finding his own inner resources for life - progress from outer to inner. "I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one… because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you." This is a plain-spoken description of our being established in the "on top" life which we have spent so long in examining in every detail, and into which we have now moved by the second crisis. We now know we are strong - and we know why. Therefore we are no longer tossed about in those old struggles with devil and flesh. We know inwardly, not just outwardly, what first came to us as outer, written word... but which now abides in us, fused into our inner consciousness by the Spirit. What a total description of an established, achieved life... not of trying, hoping, kind of slipping in and out of it, but being!

In calling them "grades" or "levels of being" there is always a danger that we may slip back into the old snare of self-effort and self-development and think of them as something we have to attain to.

"I have written unto you, fathers," John states cryptically, "because ye have known Him that is from the beginning." That brings us back to the realization that "knowing" in Scripture usually refers not to mere mental understanding, but implies being mixed with the thing we know. That is why the Bible uses the word for sexual intercourse: "Adam knew Eve his wife." Spiritually, it is inner know-how; and what you know, that you are. "This is eternal life," said Jesus in His great prayer to His Father, "that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." And we who are born of His Spirit know that knowing is the inner union. So when John says that we "fathers" know Him that is from the beginning, he means that, as fathers, we are in inner union with that Eternal One - not in His beginning, but as the One who now, as from the beginning, is in the process of completing what He has begun; and we are involved with Him in that completing process. Amazing grace! The point, then, is that we now are no longer dependent children, but cooperating sons: Father and Sons, Inc.!

What John has given us on its three levels in such understandable terms is seen all through Scripture in those same three forms. We are united with Christ in His crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension - and Paul wrote letters which concentrate on each of these: Galatians on our identification with Him in His death; Colossians on our being risen with Him; Ephesians on our ascended life, seated with Him in the heavenlies, and its outcome.

Paul’s Roman letter we all recognize as his fully developed, detailed, and authoritative statement of what he calls "my gospel." In this letter the three states are plain enough: chapters 3 to 5 - justification (little children); 6 to 8 - unification (young men); 9 to 15 - cooperation, co-saviorhood (fathers).

being mixed with the thing we know

In Hebrews there are the three again. The writer plainly likens Jesus to Moses because, by the new birth, He saves us out of our Egypt, the world; and to Joshua, because He takes us into the land of milk and honey, the promised rest, after we have emerged from the childhood wilderness. Then he stops short very significantly, and says there is a third likeness: to Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God. In this parallel Jesus is our great High Priest. 

Now whenever there is a high priest, there must be other priests serving along with him. But when speaking here of the order of Melchisedec, the writer does not name anyone as co-priests, because those Hebrew believers had a spiritual blockage en route (5:12-6:2), showed negative reactions to their sufferings (10:32-39), and were tied in knots of self-pity (12:5-13). He does, however, describe the co-priesthood of the third level in his famous list in Hebrews chapter 11 of the giants of faith, who were the intercessor priests of their respective generations. And we are to be such for our God today, "a royal priesthood" (1 Pet. 2:9).

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FOT5 - The Study Basis for the Three Major Feasts

Chris writes

I studied languages at university. Having been exposed to Latin languages :Latin,French,and Spanish, and German too, I was very conscious that although the languages may be very different, all of them had similar "coathangers". For example all had verbs and nouns, it's just that Germans sometimes plonk their verbs at the very end of sentences. Once you understand that Germans do this kind of thing (behind your back,without your permission!) but that they are still verbs...you can then "get" how German works, and that "welche Tur ist offen" has absolutely nothing to do with Chris Welch's Tourist Office. (My first ever German lesson).

In the Spirit, the quicker you learn that Pentecost is a state, and not just the one big manifestation in Acts 2, the quicker you "get" the paths of unfolding of God's plans that are all happening simultaneously as we speak, all in different arcs of fulfilment.

Jesus understood this and would refer to instances of prophetic fulfilment eg. The Elijah that had to come before the main Kingdom message was on one level fulfilled by St John. But Jesus said "should you choose to accept it"....in other words these sort of things are spiritually discerned and He wasn't going to bother enforcing that "THIS ONLY MEANS THAT".

So with that broader understanding of Pentecost as a "through stage", you can understand that the disciples were Jews being moved along from a basic understanding of an "out there" forgiving God, moving through co-working with God experientially in the preaching and the "crusades" that Jesus was carrying out, and sending them on, through to the final point when He would kind of leave them in the lurch, as far as His personal training course went...... and return in the Person of the Holy Spirit as One tabernacling amongst them, as God, this time IN FLESH, IN THEM.

The Feast of Tabernacles by George H Warnock 1951
from the Introduction

THE ORDER OF THE FEASTS

As we begin this study, we would exhort the reader to carefully read all that we have to say in this first section of the book, for it is written to form a foundation, as it were, for some of the glorious truths which are to follow. We realize that much of the information that is given concerning dates and seasons may appear insignificant and unimportant, but they are necessary, nevertheless, in order that the reader may more readily appreciate the glorious truths concerning the third and last Feast, the Feast of Tabernacles.

The three great annual Feast of the Lord in Israel's worship are set forth in considerable detail in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. In a very real sense these Feasts prefigure and typify the whole Church age beginning with the Cross and consummating in the manifestation of the Sons of God and the glorious display of God's power and glory. It is, of course, this great unveiling that we are chiefly concerned about--for the eternal purposes of God begin to be accomplished in that glorious event. But we cannot have a proper understanding of the end, unless we know somewhat of the beginning. We cannot appreciate the Glory, unless we learn about the Cross. We cannot enter the Kingdom, unless we first learn obedience by the things which we suffer. The Feasts therefore begin with the Passover, and end with the Feast of Tabernacles; and in between we have the various steps and degrees by which the Church is brought out of death and into life, out of rejection and into exaltation, out of suffering and into the Kingdom. The three Feasts in Israel's annual cycle of religious ceremonies were:

1. The Feast of the Passover.

2. The Feast of Pentecost.

3. The Feast of Tabernacles.

These three Feasts, moreover, consisted of seven major events, three of which comprised the Feast of the Passover, then one stood alone--Pentecost, and then the remaining three events comprise the Feast of Tabernacles. A brief summary of the Feasts with their various festival events may be helpful:

I The Feast of the Passover, or the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

This Feast consisted of:
1. The Passover. (See Ex. 12:1-23; Lev. 23:4, 5; Deut. 16:1-3).
2. The Unleavened Bread. (See Ex. 12:18; 23:15; Lev. 23:6-8; Deut. 16:3-4).
3. The Sheaf of Firstfruits. (See Lev. 23:10-14).

II The Feast of Pentecost, or the Feast of Weeks, of Harvest, of Firstfruits.

(See Ex. 23:16; Lev. 23:15-21; Deut. 16:9-12; Acts 2:1).

III The Feast of Tabernacles, or the Feast of Booths, or of Ingathering.

This Feast consisted of:
1. The Blowing of Trumpets. (See Lev. 23:24-25).
2. The Day of Atonement. (See Lev. 16; 23:27-32).
3. The Feast of Tabernacles. (See Ex. 23:16; Lev. 23:34-44; Deut. 16:13-15).

All Israel's worship seemed to center around these three great annual Feasts. They were the occasions of great convocations, the keeping of sabbaths, the eating of certain foods, the performance of certain ordinances and rituals, and a time of great consecration and sanctification: "Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty." (Deut. 16:16).

It is our intention to deal at some length with each of the seven festival events comprising the three Feasts, and to show in what manner they have been fulfilled, or shall yet be fulfilled, in the Church of Jesus Christ. Our primary purpose, of course, is to present the last great Feast, the Feast of Tabernacles, in the light of the New Testament--and especially in the light of what God is now doing in the formation of His Body, the Church. For truly the Lord is moving by His Spirit, moving o'er all the earth--brooding dovelike over the distressing state of affairs existing in the Church today, that He might bring order and harmony and peace out of chaos and darkness. And as surely as the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep in the beginning, and commanded light to shine out of darkness, and life to spring up out of the place of death--so surely will the voice of God once again in the ends of the ages restore the glory of Zion, and give unto her "beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness."

Specificity and Waggling your arms and hands like Jorge Pradas by Chris Welch

Facebook note on Saturday, 22 January 2011 at 22:53
Following on from Coming into God's House

Well that's a weird header title!

Let's deal with waggling first of all. On a handful of occasions, and there is one I'm calling to mind, Jorge Pradas who was used to lay apostolic Word in Emsworth, got us all waggling our arms and shaking our hands. This will confirm everything this current move think about the predecessor move of the 80s! But no, what he was getting us to do in the Spirit was shake free from all our preconceptions about


what we thought church life was

what the Christian life was

what our own lives were

and allow the Holy Spirit to invade.....to make what was nebulous, fluffy and ultimately just empty religion....specific and defined.



Around 10 years earlier Jorge was staying with his friend and former Brethren pastor Ian McCulloch in Emsworth. He was on holiday. But naturally he got invited to a monthly or weekly charismatic prayer meeting some of them held on Sunday nights. These were people from different churches. So there was Jorge minding his own business, but suddenly kicked to alert in the Presence of God that was evident there.



If God has birthed a ministry in you....it's part of you. There is no holiday. So like a bolt from the blue, this Word came out of heaven through Jorge . "What do you call yourselves?"

"A fellowship."

"What's a fellowship?"

People assumed it was a Catalan/Argentine translation problem probably.

So he repeated. "What's a fellowship? You can have fellowship. Show me in the Bible the word fellowship."

This stunned the charismatics, who were there for mutual encouragement and where they could freely use the gifts of the Spirit.

The Bible only recognises the Church. Are you the Church or aren't you?

That night then, Emsworth Church was born on that word. The church began and fundamental from the outset was that the members believed this was the Church.



Watchman Nee writes....you can have as many local churches as you like, meeting wherever geographically, but they must all be conscious that they are THE CHURCH and that they ARE ALL ONE THING.

Explaining that to the other churches in Emsworth seemed too difficult, so 15 years or so later they reverted to New Life Christian Church, Emsworth.Maybe something was lost in the process. Maybe this was an Ishmael/Isaac battle that was lost here. I am not there, so cannot comment.



I am in Portsdown Community Church. Peter Stott seems clear on the specificity of the church being the Church that happens to meet in the Meridian Centre...but whether it's always the same for all members I don't know.

"Community Church" is the style used in the days of Pyramid Apostle Networking. Their apostle was Tony Morton of Southampton. Community gets over "Redeemed Community". Well you hope it does.



But in all this hand and arm waggling, we have to be shaking ourselves from another of Man's orthodoxies.

Each individual perhaps thinks of himself/herself as two peas in a personal pod. The Old man/New Man rattling around inside. Old Chris new Chris in permanent Romans 7 struggle for identity. There's no personal specificity in the Spirit.





This is the "extracurricular" activity that the Holy Spirit has been cooking in the last 20 years. If we're not even clear what our church is....what are we believing about ourselves?



The Bible is very clear about the work of the Cross. It's not about to be complete. It's not being worked on. Jesus was quite categoric. "It IS FINISHED"

I have died with Christ. It is now nolonger I that live, but Christ who lives within me. The life I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God.



It is on this base that I stand individually. I am now Christ in my form. This is a faith stand. It is spiritually defined. It has absolute specificity. And put another group of like believing believers alongside me, and boldly we declare we are the redeemed community, the Church of the Living God.



Waggle your arms again and your hands.....shake off all the old preconceptions. The concept that we are some kind of humanist vehicle for activities such as praise, prayer,preaching and coffee at the top of the Meridian Centre in Havant.

An activity centre that meets 10.30 every Sunday and does more prayer activity at sundry other occasions, and runs a 2ndhand furniture shop to provide for a debt relief advice charity. All these are things. What's the Spirit reality?

Well there is a believing, and there is a Spirit reality, because people comment on it when they come. There are processes happening in peoples lives that Paul would saymatches his phrase: I came that I might find Christ crucified among you.



But I believe the gifts to the church all over the world are tightening up in their specificity. Faith only operates around specificity. In Genesis chapter 1 God never said, Let there be something kind of , I dunno.....like Light I suppose." It was targeted and entirely specific. It's also tougher humanly being specific isn't it?



Abraham knew that confronting 2 kings. He said Sarai was his half sister...actually she was....hummmm....but she was HIS WIFE....and that gets to be pretty relevant if you know someone is after sleeping with her. And not only that but the God of heaven's entire calling on your life is to bring forth a son of Promise through PRECISELY her.



I don't know what's tougher, Abraham being specific about his God Promise/wife relationship or Peter being specific about the exact relationship with

THE RABBI that has placed a specific CALL on your life, that you've been with three gob-opening years, while you watched and personally participated in some stunning miraculous events. And then....no half measures here....complete with cursing....Peter says at Jesus trial "I %^$£*&.. ing never met the guy Jesus in my life!"



My burden here goes beyond this to a specificity in the Spirit. What we're into, to be fully Christian, has to tie in with the heavenlies. In bringing the KINGDOM of GOD to earth. Daniel Yordy and Francois will tell you the KINGDOM is here already. That it's the knowledge of the Glory of God that has yet to fill the earth as the waters cover the sea.



Well some would say Thy Kingdom Come - the prayer....was fulfilled at Pentecost. The Kingdom did come.In Power.

But we are still praying Thy Kingdom Come, in an ultimate restoration of order type sense. This is the sense of the blog series I did on Psalm 24.

What I am steering things to is the prophetic.

This morning I was describing to Allen Mills the acceleration that took place as soon as the disciples received by faith the specific Word and calling that Jesus, operating in the Father brought to them, to make them Fishers of Men, if they

Folowed Him

Now.




We know from Elisha's call through Elijah. you don't mess around when God speaks. You obey. Now.And if you don't, like in the fifth chapter of Song of Solomon....


it's already too late. Jesus has gone.Moved on.



Part of the 1st commandment walk of loving God with all our being is priority. You don't put Him second to anything.And unlike human love for a person making a similar demand, you have the knowledge that God can undergird His call with His Provision.

Half the messes (humanly speaking) that we get ourselves into is that we are obeying a Word before we know for sure where our support will come from. Banks think we are nuts. Other Christians think we are nuts. The rest of our families can think we are nuts. But a call is a call. And the anointing is in that call, and hidden in it too, somewhere in the background sometimes is the provision for the call.



How many ministries have been launched on the back of Peter's walking on Water incident. As an event, it is probably more important historically as a Spirit teaching, than it is for the absolutely earth shattering event that it was. A human walks on water!



So hopefully you caught that. Things only accelerate when a Word comes, but in that Word is also the Power to get it achieved.

1.Churches don't have specificity.

2.Churches chunter along virtually as clubs, without any invasive Word.There has to be a sense of the invasion of the Kingdom into our "norm"

3. The heavenly Pattern

For this one you probably need to shake those arms and hands again, if only to please Jorge, who is now with Jesus thinking....at last....somebody was listening!



The last couple of notes on Facebook refer to the Tabernacle. Nancy Gilmore expressed that knowing the reality of Christ as her, she finds it alien to be thinking about the Tabernacle. I wrote to say the heavenly Tabernacle is the reality. The heavenly reality of this and the 3 Feasts are just how things work. And it is our lack of spiritual eyesalve in these realms that have made our "revivals" so bloomin random.

We are spending all our time building our own earthly conceptions of what revival , and church , and evangelism are.

-So people are all but stillborn

-making up churches that are human clubs

-praying for human concepts of what a revival might be......probably more of the same.



So here in brief is what should really be happening.


People are accelerated into the very Life of God only through the Word, the Living Word...however it comes to them.

This is as true of believers as it is of the living organisms that are the local versions of the Bride, called "ecclesia....called out ones....the Church"


A believer joins the people of God as an individual at the New Covenant equivalent of the brazen altar, the Cross.


They now have a new RESIDENT in their spirit, and fused AS ONE to their spirit; His Name is Jesus. Because Jesus lives there, when they come next to the Laver, they look in its shiny mirror surface and see Jesus.

So the Laver is the washing of water in the Word.... a process that ever continues.The Bible is nolonger a lawbook,but a mirror of the Lawkeeper inside us.

The Laver is baptism in water, which is us saying to God in the Spirit....yes I sign my signature on the dotted line of the New Covenant

This laver experience was something else for Jesus, and can be for us too. Jesus came out of his water baptism, with the Spirit descending on Him like a dove. He was baptised in the Holy Spirit.

We become priests by the Spirit of the Lord. We can enter now into the Holy Place.

Another baptism that is simultaneous to this , which prepares us to function in the Holy Place, is that we are baptised into the corporate Body of Christ. Like Ruth entering as an alien Canaanite into the people of God we say with her, "Your people are my people, your God my God."

Because none of the rest has been true in the lives of other church people, the Body of Christ remains only a somewhat pious concept, having a rather heavy religious atmosphere to it. But not so among those who share these foundations in the Spirit.

The Holy Place or the 2nd Feast experience of Pentecost is meant to be glorious. In the previous post I have described some of the negative aspects which we see manifesting in the disciples' lives in the gospels. This is particularly relevant in our day, because in the Church worldwide we have now thousands of overgrown teenagers who manifest many of the features of "Fatherhood" in the Spirit, but their own innards are so undeveloped, because only a handful of people have known there is a third stage of growth, or third feast experience.



When all functions in the order of the Spirit the "spiritual teenage" or "young men stage" is a glorious affair just as it is in the natural. Get a bunch of teenagers on fire for God even in the natural, and they have a glory all their own....just as newborn babies do. The Holy Place experience in a Living wing of the Body of Christ , the young men stage, IS NOT aligned with an agegroup such as teenage, IT IS a Stage of growth in the Spirit. My hunch is that were we in a culture that just loved Jesus properly from cradle to grave, our stages in the Spirit would be a lot more aligned with the natural growth stages. As it is churches are strewn with 70 years olds still in nappies, being bottle-fed....almost still born actually.



The last Facebook note covered the acceleration in the Holy place. Immature people have their bread cut up neatly for them according to their tribe. On the table of the shewbread in there are 12 loaves all positioned round the table for the 12 tribes.I mentioned that I am not speaking theoretically. I obeyed God's inner call to me to leave University after the first year only and found myself in an early prototype of a functioning Holy Place Community. (click for pics and more history)They didnt know about the 3rd level.They didnt know all the foundations listed above. But we weren't a community by committee either. Stuff was coming to the surface of people's lives as the Holy Spirit would engineer, and the Body would be covering these members and ministering victory and encouragement. In the worst instances of double leukaemia of a son and later his father, this also was dealt with in prayer. It was the first time such cases had survived anywhere in the world, by giving each other their bone marrow. It was all over the television news. This was our experience in Emsworth.



The foundation that we can now add, is a lot more detail as to how the 2ndlevel works, how it is a time of "reckoning" by faith according to Romans 6 and 7. There is an experience of the Altar of Incense, as we, in a manner very similar to old photography are placed into "FIXER".....remember that anyone? The third level is the fruit of this fixing process.

We know we are Christ in our form. We don't "need" meetings to prove this to us. We go into meetings to take them over for Christ. We are now walkers who practice the verse "Just as you received Christ as Lord, so now, walk in Him."



Anyone who has been with men such as Rheinhard Bonnke,Morris Cerullo, Andy Elmes (local to us) knows there is a Fire anointing that compels others to come to Christ. I have written about evangelists' frustration that so few seem to operate with this zeal to reach more for Christ. There's a truth in this. And there is a Holy Spirit fire which so few have. It is what propelled me into being a catalyst for revival in part of our school when I was 13. But as I have said above there is another very serious point to make.



Morris Cerullo and Rheinhard Bonnke minister unfailingly on the "outward means of growth". They so well know how to minister in the Old Covenant Law of doing Christian things to somehow grow in God. As true fatherhood 3rd level ministries we ARE NOT CALLED TO DO THIS. We impart the New Covenant by the Spirit. We continually impart the foundations above. God's children become young men (understand this is both sexes) who in turn become fatherhood ministries. People who are obviously utterly saved have a testimony to share, they are that Testimony, who is ofcourse Jesus established in us. The thought that this won't have impact is unthinkable. A thirdleveller immediately gets noticed.

In fact in times past, when there were so few, if they wrote books, they'd automatically be high on the Christian bookshelves. Corrie Ten Boom,Oswald Chambers,Spurgeon,John Wesley,Madame Guyon,Dietrich Bonhoeffer,Watchman Nee,Mother TheresaJohn Wimber,Mother Basilea Schlink....the list goes on and on.



I want to temper comments about generals like Morris Cerullo,Benny Hinn and Rheinhard Bonnke with respect for all the ways in which the Holy Spirit has used them to bring a harvest. This has to be weighed in the Spirit with the thousands of believers that are running as fast in the opposite direction from such men. You see apart from individual growth in Christ there is another aspect to the 3rd level Body that was pioneered by John Wimber, and particularly later in 2008 in Lakeland.



If saints have proper Spirit foundations they are catapulted forward in growth. But more than this the BODY BUILDS ITSELF IN LOVE, at apace that is frankly FRIGHTENING. If you could really understand and appreciate what is happening on Facebook and blogs internationally, you would be stunned. But no man has the overview. And that's the point.Morris Cerullo's phrase was always "This is not the Work of a man, but the Holy Spirit." (And by the way, this is an example of specificity in the Spirit."

The problem with Morris - even though he does invite in 12-15 other extremely anointed platform ministries-

it's still Morris Cerullo Ministries.

The true 3rd level stuff is FACELESS.It's going on internationally non-stop around the clock. You can see from my 1989 message that I have been prophesying this but had no clue about Facebook. No man is in charge. Jesus is doing it.

So,we've covered 2 of the points.

People will nolonger be stillborn, but will grow right through to maturity.

The church will not be religious clubs, because they have living stones, and an unimaginable variety of matching wineskins. So much easier to reach people with churches of people that don't have dummies sticking out of their mouths.

But the last point is revival.



Ofcourse Morris,Benny and Rheinhard have to run round at HUUUUGE Kingdom expense like headless chickens. They are not preaching the right gospel. It's hugely incomplete. Nobody can grow. It's not new Covenant, apart from depositing an anointing of the Spirit on their heads, they then dose them up with tons of laws of what a Christian looks like.

BUT a Christian doesn't look like anything. He is Christ in THAT PERSON'S FORM! What's all this external stuff about then? it's the very opposite of what James spoke, that's what it is:
Acts 15:9 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. "

The Feasts describe the revival cycles that we see at the very outset of the Church.Not only are we growing, individually and corporately , but as natural as waves on the sea, or birth contractions in childbirth, we learn to move with the Spirit's Harvest cycles over localities. The 3rd Feast , Tabernacles,has its own massive Feast of Ingathering built in.

Ingathering follows Trumpets and Atonement. This is typified in Joel with the priests flat on their faces.

Here's a 1960s picture:

Graham Pulkingham, brought to the end of himself on the crypt floor of the Church of the Redeemer Houston for 3 solid months. (His Day of Atonement)

This intercession birthed a whole community that brought thousands into the church, and ultimately affected my life as the whole group moved to England and ministered into places like our school after our revival.Graham was a 3rd leveller bringing forth a group of 2ndlevellers who surrounded him, who in turn would have gone off and done the same.



Are you getting the picture how we have totally missed it? Of how wrong Benny Hinn's,Rheinhard Bonnke's, and Morris Cerullo's pattern is, as we mature into a really Living version of the Body of Christ. We don't have to wander round like a corpse Zombie anymore. Havant doesn't need to have half of its members dosed up on medications in depression, and the rest sick as dogs, all staring at you with bleary eyes. (Slight exaggeration) But you get what I am saying. Enough of this half-gospel,half-church,half-Life. The heavenly Pattern is there for everyone to see. Quit fighting the Spirit, and just do things His way. I mean our way has sure worked well hasn't it? Just read God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

The Third Level message is in the Three Kings Story

The BBC Nativity Series 2010 in 5 half hour parts was excellent on many levels.
The photos here depict the final moments of part 5 when the 3 Magi arrive to visit the new-born King. Joseph is studying Jesus when the other three come in bearing their gifts, finally prostrating themselves in worship.
For dramatic reasons several stories within stories culminate in the stable room, thereby making the arrival of the wise men contemporaneous with Jesus birth, and the visit from the shepherds. This does not happen until Jesus is many months older, which is why Herod then orders the death of all babies two and under.




What really comes over in the dramatization is the fact that Jesus' birth simply was not convenient on so many levels.
Who is going to understand a Virgin birth? Not even Joseph to begin with. Then at the precise moment Mary is to give birth comes the upheaval of the census demanded by the authorities, which mean they have to go to the place where Joseph originated, Bethlehem.

Yet what seemed so random, so human, so impossible, was ALL meant. Was all prophesied. And one of the most random events seemed to be the sudden appearance from lands far away of the wise men themselves.

Clearly, stars were intended for signs and seasons, as stupid as this seems to a Western world who are almost totally divorced from their surroundings, having built themselves into "artificial cities" of convenience since the very early days of the fall. But those who are truly openhearted, and listening can indeed discern the times and the seasons.

Secondly, these were clever men. Jesus said that in general the Father has hidden the things of the Kingdom from the wise of the world. But exceptions exist. And these three were such, proving the verse, "if you seek Me with all your heart, you shall find Me."....clever or not!!!!

Thirdly, these wise men had a detached view. They were outsiders. They were not Jews. Yet like the Gentiles to follow, were able to discern more about the plans of God than the very children of Abraham themselves. All this came over very clearly in the production.

Gold, frankincense and myrrh would just seem like a random set of exotic gifts, that they being of means could bring with them from these faraway lands, but yet again like other sets of threes in the Bible,(3 feasts, the shoot ear and full ear of corn,Abraham Isaac and Jacob,the 3 part Tabernacle,Children young men fathers in 1 John 2 and so on and so on)
once again they are a photograph in time,
an encapsulation in the heart of God,
of the Divine Purpose to have a race of sons (and ofcourse daughters) of the Most High, God in flesh. God Incarnate. Not only in Jesus, but by extension-
As He is , so are we in the world.... a race of Jesus in us living as us....John 15.

Here, facing us I believe, every Christmas is the complete package. A version of Christianity which cannot be broken smaller, cannot be watered down,it is the One single Truth known as the real WAY.....the one known as the WAY to the TRUTH to the LIFE.

Here is my Facebook encapsulation. Brevity rules in a Facebook status.
Chris Welch
People say to me "what 3rd level gospel?"

I say first the Head then the Body.

Gold:The Divine God incarnate ,the Father in Jesus, now Jesus in us. Frankincense:Jesus made the High Priest of the Melchizedek Order, now we are made priests with Him.

Myrrh: The Son goes into action even unto death on a Cross,now He goes into action in a race like Him,that is working death in us on behalf of Life in others.

Before describing each, and saying why I believe most churches are "bewitched", and have had nearly all of these necessary ingredients of the True Gospel stripped out of them, may I describe 4 levels of fulfilment.

As we relate more and more to the "single eye way of seeing" that Jesus described, which Rich and Daniel Yordy,Fred Pruitt and Nancy Gilmore, all refer to as "seeing God only"....
we understand that there is ONLY one LIFE. Everything else is distortion of that one Life. The devil tries to steal that life, invert it, turn it in on itself, as a "self for self" existence, which can only at best, ever be partially true. LIFE, since it originates in God, cannot ever really be like that.....so the devil can only pull things off in short term manipulations, since his bad fruit always seeps through in a very obvious manner.

So in describing LIFE as gold,frankincense and myrrh , this is no different for a non-Christian, than a Christian, and no different from what Jacob Boehme describes as "the Cross in the heart of God" before time or creation ever existed at all. It's just the category description of LIFE.

Commission, Cost,Completion. Coupled with the Word process of:
Thought, Word,Deed.
The Father conceives it, it is expressed perfectly in the Son, and SPOKEN into being by the Son, with the Spirit bringing the action to pass.

All genuine fairy tales, stories, acts of musical creation, drama, that have any bearing on reality contain these components. Snow Queen is one such. This describes what happens when we try to shortcircuit the process of LIFE by believing rather A LIE, and receiving in our heart a shard of glass that makes us inoperable as a person.
So gold,frankincense and myrrh relate to anyone involved in the process of Life. So that is the first manner .But it relates specifically to Jesus,two, in its purest form, to Mary, three, and by extension to every believer, four.


Gold,Frankincense and Myrrh

Introduction


This is the apostolic foundation of our faith. Take away from it , it is not Christianity. Add to it, it is not Christianity.

Compare the words : Gold , Frankincense and Myrrh with this verse:

Revelation 12 :11 Youngs Literal :

11and they did overcome him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life -- unto death;

Paul said, among the mature, we compare spiritual with spiritual. In a linear thinking mode, comparing these two statements above would appear fruitless.
But Jesus Blood has bought for you instead of "Genesis 3" type shame, glory. As there is nothing much other than liquid sunshine radiating over a hillside that best represents glory, the most solid way of representing it materially is in the metal gold. Which is the form used in the Tabernacle.

Next, frankincense was offered up by priests in the Temple and tabernacle, and best represents the whole office of priest. Jesus was made High Priest for us. But He conforms those who are born again according to His own priesthood, a priesthood which was never rooted or anchored here on Earth, but in the Melchizedek order in heaven. And how does He do this? Primarily , from Day One, by getting us to believe His Word in our heart, and confess it with our lips......
THE WORD OF TESTIMONY.

Finally Myrrh was for anointing for burial. Myrrh relates to suffering , to laying our life down unto death.

Three forms of death in a believer

A.There is a death, walking away from our former external ways.

B.There is a death that conforms us inwardly to the new priesthood we join.

C.But there is a death of intercession, dying daily in situations to see Life come forth in others. For some this is actual death......but remember, death is quick. It doesn't take long to enter eternal glory. What is valuable is the Romans 12 :1-2 existence that Paul knew, laying his life on the line, going into war against the strong men in the spiritual realms, the principalities and powers, which would then yield up their prey of captive souls over towns, cities and regions. The Kingdom is born in the second, third, fourth mile!!!!!!

The angel came to Mary to say she had been highly favoured among women. She was chosen by God to bear His only begotten Son Jesus. No other human being at any time was ever going to have the privilege of providing a womb for the Father's seed to bring forth "in the likeness of sinful flesh" the 2nd Adam, the Word that had always dwelt co equal with God, now to be manifest in human form. This was the glory of God made manifest. This was the gold of God.

Mary just simply responded with "Be it unto me according to Your Word."

And so it is for us. You don't reason it out. You don't argue. Confronted with this wisdom of God that is higher than any of us, we simply respond:

God, I ask you to be born in me supernaturally by the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit overshadows us too, not to bring forth some material manifestation of Jesus as Jesus of Nazareth....for He now sits at the right hand of God the Father. No, it's better.

Better than Mary had. She only had a separate Jesus that she had to bring up, then later follow.

We have a Jesus who has promised to be with us, and even in us by the indwelling and outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

The nearest spiritual picture we have of the gold that the Father is offering us, apart from the natural external picture that the apostles knew of jesus Himself, was the picture of the Holy of Holies. Jesus was humanly this Incarnate form of an acacia wood or human flesh and blood box, covered on the inside and out with gold, with glory.

The presence of the Holy Spirit radiated from within His being, His attitudes, His joy, faith and expectancy, His purpose, His energy. But also the Holy Spirit was upon Him , anointing Him with power to do things that He of Himself COULD NOT DO. Why? Because He had laid His glory aside before He left heaven in order to come and live AS US, AS WE LIVE.

The point being that Jesus ultimate purpose was always to reproduce tons of acacia boxes, just like Himself. The tabernacle has always been about the Holy of Holies. About golden covered containers. Inside and out.

When He came, He came as a golden covered container. Inside and out.

So THIS is the apostolic foundation we are laying in folk from Day One of believing in Jesus. We lay a foundation of grace and glory. We lay the Divine seed by the gift of utterance in the Holy Spirit. This is what the phrase "you have known the gospel of grace in truth" means.

Anything less than this GOLD just is not the gospel of grace in truth.

Yes, we know our sins are forgiven through the precious Blood of Jesus, as it says in 1 John 2 and refers to above in Rev 12:11......but that's not the gold.

The gold is that you were ransomed as treasures of darkness that He manifest His full self in you.That's the gold. It's the seed DNA that from day one destines you to be a greater and greater manifestation of an acacia box of glory, just as He was. "As He is, so are WE in the world."

He destines us to be that as we just simply , like Mary say along with her:

Well....You have spoken.....seems nuts to me....seems humanly impossible.....but I won't argue and I just say

BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD.

Now Catholics don't teach this. Anglicans don't. Pentecostals don't. Well in general. Charismatics haven't a clue. But this is the apostolic foundation day one Word that we deliver to believers, who then hearing the Word, receive it, are baptised, and are filled with the Holy Spirit.

All churches are "bewitched " on this issue which is why so many voices like mine are crying out on the internet.

You don't work for your GOLD. It is in the finished work of Jesus. You believe the Word on offer to every human alive....but you don't work for it. You don't fast for it. You don't have prayer meetings for it. You don't read the Bible for it.

Now I didn't say you never fast, never read the Bible. I just said that gold now has YOUR NAME on it. These are spiritual realities. They are not even fairy stories or nice Christian things to say.

On my insides right now are 38 years of glory inworked not by me, but by the Holy Spirit who promised not only to be our downpayment, our foretaste of glory, the earnest of our inheritance,

but manifest Himself increasingly both in our innards, and upon us in all our ways. He came to

MAKE KNOWN TO US WHAT IS OURS. Without Him we are blind to it all. With Him we SEE the over aboveness of all the GOLD that has always been on offer.

If you are going to a church that is not offering this gold from day one.....take very seriously the notion that you may be becoming increasingly bewitched as you go there.

Take seriously your priesthood.

Mary's priestly function was to BE a PLACE for Jesus to be conceived and born in.We are just the same. You know it's not even different for those who don't know Jesus, because this is the way LIFE, God's LIFE works.

For example, we may be seized with a vision , or a strong desire on our innards to do something. We commit to it. It may be to study to be a doctor or architect. It may be to work on a new invention, or recipe that has never yet seen the light of day. Norman Grubb says what we take hold of, takes hold of us.

In spiritual terms, what we believe in our heart and what we confess with our lips becomes a visible manifestation of our salvation, in and around us.

Jesus spoke by the Spirit to the apostles.

Some have spent their entire lives only "hearing " leftbrain communication, or if they've heard someone like Martin Luther King's "I have a Dream " speech, they ascribe it to the nearest thing they can attach it readily to...and they ascribe it to the pigeonhole called emotion or passion. Well emotion and passion were certainly there at the surface.....but King's speech was powerful because it was something more than that. It was Spirit. So assuming "Lay down your nets and follow me " was a leftbrain sentence makes no sense. Who is going to bother responding to that? I mean what right has any human to say a thing like that?

Hmmm! Well you are missing it if you think that was a left-brain communication. It was tagged underneath with Spirit. Spirit authority. Prophetic authority. In fact, prophetic grace empowering. Because you would need some kind of assurance inwardly to counteract a wildly buzzing left-brain that was freaking out at the thought of what would happen if they left their comfort zone, to follow a Person with no visible means of support structure.

So, just as it was for the apostles,you need to take yourself seriously!

Priesthood concerning you, is both unique and serious. It's God's calling on your life.You only have one life; take it seriously and God will be serious with you about bringing it forth by the Spirit.

In this aspect the vision of the Church is serious. Ministries in the church are serious. Not important for their own sake. But because the MINISTRY of the PRIESTHOOD in you is so serious. Gifts of ministry are PURELY there to Grace and empower you to the work of MINISTRY. You are important. Not someone's ministry! You are the end product...well actually not you....the next batch through you and so on.

My Facebook Profile:1 communicates to 2, who in turn communicate to 2, and so on 20 times.....congratulations you have just touched 1,048,576 lives with your one life!

The Catholic church is wrong if in any way they even so much as imply that a minister stands as a priest. The whole reclamation of the gospel through Protestantism is to reclaim the universal priesthood of the believer.

The heavenly tabernacle whose Cardboard Cornflake packet replica was constructed in the Old Testament by Moses, has its whole understanding that

you receive the GOLD of Christ INTO your person as a result of passing by the brazen altar of judgment. Christ, offering up Himself as a Blood sacrifice at the Cross that you may safely and freely enter God's tabernacle, and secondly that Christ may ENTER YOU as a deposit of Solid Gold on the inside of your life. Such a good job is done, that the next thing is for you to wash in the laver of His Word, and get baptised in water just as Jesus Himself did "to fulfil all righteousness ".The laver is so shiny that like a Mirror it reflects back to you Jesus, who now lives inside you. The Bible, the Word, talks about the Jesus inside you who is going to fulfil that very Word in you.

At this point you are baptised in the Spirit just as Jesus was. Notice , Jesus only entered the Kingdom procedures at the Laver, because He needed NO ONE to be offered up for His sins....why? He was without sin. So He joins the proceedings at the laver stage. He knows only the GOLD of God's Presence in Him and upon Him. He like us, then entered into the Frankincense stage of priestly ministry. This is what the baptism of the Spirit does for us too. It leads us on into that portion of the tabernacle that is ONLY illumined by Holy Spirit revelation. There are no windows in the Holy Place and the Holiest Place.Even WHILE God is conforming us to the ministry of priest in Him, He is already using us in and out of church, by His precious Spirit. This is the economy of God. Ephesians chapters 1 and 2 lays the foundation of GOLD in us. Chapters 3 ,4 and 5 train us in the Body of Christ, in our lives, in our families and workplaces, and with others in the world, in this new life and how it operates. Chapter 6 is "our main piece of Toast"...the full crowning mission for which we were put on earth.

The young man stage of 1 John 2:12 ff does not BEGIN at the end as if it's a passive stage up until graduation to maturity.

-right from the start, the victory Word is laid upon us

YOU HAVE OVERCOME THE EVIL ONE.

Why?

Because the foundation for our gold, for our overcoming even predates creation.

We were chosen in Him Eph 1:4 before the foundation of the world. Before Adam sinned. Before we sinned! These impediments made no difference whatsoever. At the Cross, God "earthed" His intention. Psalm 85:10-11 Lovingkindness and truth have met together/righteousness and peace have kissed each other/Truth springs from the Earth/and rightousness looks down from heaven!!!!

In the young men stage, based upon Jesus finished work, we are already functioning as His priests in His Melchizedek order, according to this Frankincense stamp, that was upon Mary, then upon her Son preeminently, and then by extension upon us.

Any church that does not make clear in the Spirit the GOLD of our calling,the FRANKINCENSE of our calling....even while we ourselves are being conformed unto a mature knowledge in the Spirit of His grace...

Any church who does not do that

Is building ministry unto itself. Pyramid style. Probably involving the squandering of the sheep's Kingdom money which should either be going to proper apostolic ministry according to the above principles, or helping the poor , needy, or relief of the saints. Or all of the above!!

When we have learned the Gold of our own identity, which is Christ living His Life as Us....

When we have learned how to function as priests by the Spirit, in meetings, in life, in family ,in work..... then we move onto the final stage.

But already we know something of Myrrh. The final stage however is to become intimately acquainted with this, the greatest POWER on God's EARTH.



"And they laid down their lives even unto death." "And for the JOY that was set before Him He endured the Cross, despising the shame."

There are two perspectives on myrrh that are carnal. Only a Christianity that contains the 3 hallmarks : Gold, Frankincense, and a right perspective on Myrrh are genuine. The rest is Religion,heaviness,bondage, us working for salvation, Bewitching.

You can easily tell that the charismatic churches are only at best a middle stage phenomenon, and at worst something that will be consummated as the Antichrist himself "overrunning" the Holy Place, from this description in Song of Solomon Chapter 5:2-6.Something is clearly wrong!
1I have come in to my garden, my sister-spouse, I have plucked my myrrh with my spice, I have eaten my comb with my honey, I have drunk my wine with my milk. Eat, O friends, drink, Yea, drink abundantly, O beloved ones!

2I am sleeping, but my heart waketh: The sound of my beloved knocking! `Open to me, my sister, my friend, My dove, my perfect one, For my head is filled [with] dew, My locks [with] drops of the night.'

3I have put off my coat, how do I put it on? I have washed my feet, how do I defile them?

4My beloved sent his hand from the net-work, And my bowels were moved for him.

5I rose to open to my beloved, And my hands dropped myrrh, Yea, my fingers flowing myrrh, On the handles of the lock.

6I opened to my beloved, But my beloved withdrew -- he passed on, My soul went forth when he spake, I sought him, and found him not. I called him, and he answered me not.
You sense here praise and worship is going well. The meetings are all about getting right with Christ. About cleansing. Everything is focussed on all these things.

Just one problem here, well a few actually

The real Jesus is alive and keeps moving doing new things....setting up new intercessions.....annoying isn't it for the church rota!

Cleansing and our priesthood role is not a thing in its own right

Jesus was clear from the beginning who He was : climbing upon the mountains, leaping upon the hills......not sinking into the bathtub, then diving into a quiet life of bed.....

He's always had myrrh dripping from His fingers everytime they are on our door catches

It's not that He's been hiding it from us.....so we'd better just ....well

GET OVER IT.....and despise the shame!!!!!

Yes for the joy set before us ....DESPISE the SHAME.

The charismatic independent churches fall apart in the purposes of God round about here.

They are not laying a Spirit foundation from the word go in believers of GOLD,FRANKINCENSE and MYRRH.

They mostly don't seem to know about the gold, and get people working for it.

They are unable to impart Frankincense, so believers are not brought forth in their priesthood, and instead idle away, or idol away, their time fixated on a leadership that is not a leadership, because true leaders impart grace that reproduces.....and fixated on a worship that isn't really....because when the real Jesus of the Melchizedek order turns up they are just not ready for the REAL ONE.

Either Jesus situations on the one hand, or genuine Jesus ministers freak them out....because ,well.....oooh

they are just so MYRRH-Y......."YUK. I've made myself ready for bed!"

The one thing that really came over in the BBC Nativity was that to accept Christ, is to accept a way of shame. Mary was despised. Nothing about Jesus birth and her calling to be a part of it was comfortable. "Nothing flowed". Well it did, but it didn't flow with those living in the spirit of the Pride of life. Who would believe her tale that GOD HIMSELF had made her pregnant. In accepting his beloved Mary, Joseph was accepting a walk of shame. It is the VERY opposite of the Pride of Life. And to walk in Jesus works in us to DELIVERING from this evil root.

Two Carnal and inaccurate views of Myrrh

1. It doesn't exist. It doesn't suit my personal view of life that insists that my Christianity conform to the Pride of Life. (That means me looking good)

2. It does exist this suffering stuff and it's so heavy and sad....come and share my sadness and be as depressed as hell like me....so we can impress other Christians with our serious view of life.

Notice Jesus doesn't deny there are mountains and hills. He's a realist! He just bounds over them! Song of Songs 2:8 He doesn't go into denial about Myrrh. It's the Cross in the heart of God. It's the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world. There is shame.

But this is what Jesus does with it. He despises it.

Getting too overly heavy and sad in that deep religious way is simply having a "split eye again" and not a "single eye" which sees everything as God's express purpose to work something new out.

I don't go a bundle on much so called intercession out there done in this religious heavy depressive way. Nor on Christian organisations adopting merely human approaches to trying to relieve suffering of fellow saints. NOR do I believe in NOT doing anything about it either. What I believe in is laying a foundation of Identity in Christ in believers so that any suffering is to purpose and is filled with HOPE.

This is how much Jesus believed in "heavy, religious, depressive suffering." The three days of whipping, cruel death on a cross and the tomb are described in about two pages or less per gospel. PERIOD. FINISH. SILENCE.FINITO.

This is "despising the shame. " Not even giving it an advertising slot.

So we mustn't either.

This is what we've got to know about going into death for others....as shared by Mother Basilea Schlink. "Going the way of the Lamb" is a way of GREAT POWER!

Beloved, you think you've seen revivals? You think you've seen POWER exploding upon believers. Ha! Wait til a MYRRH bunch of overcomers dripping with the stuff, is regularly going into death for others in every country of the earth, despising the shame......seeing God only.....expectantly on tiptoe in their suffering....

straining with their eyes to the dawn.....

as an atomic explosion of what God said was to be

the Knowledge of the Glory of God covering the Earth as the Waters cover the sea

As all the pots and pans cry Holy to the Lord

As the building is complete with shouts of "Grace to it....Grace to it..."

Get my drift?