** Jonathan Brennemann on all participating **

A pattern I see in the stories of many historical revivals... Revival starts with participation and ends with programs. Everyone spoke on the day of Pentecost. A study of the words the Bible uses in its instructions for Christian meetings shows that, "everyone, anyone, each one, whoever" are the people who are speaking. The Holy Spirit chooses to manifest God's grace through each member of Christ's body. Of the nine "grace-effects" in 1 Corinthians 12, 5 are explicitly speaking, and the other four also usually operate by speaking and understanding. If we fail to facilitate the participation of the body of Christ, we quench the Holy Spirit. I believe that if we DON'T have revival, it's because we are quenching the Holy Spirit rather than aligning with his priorities. William Seymour had a box over his head much of the time, and he facilitated the operation of the body of Christ rather than supplanting it. Same pattern in the Welsh revival, the Jesus people, etc... A spectator event is incompatible with the Bible's instructions for Christian fellowship. 

TEF18 - The Other Lamb by Daniel Yordy

We are transformed by the renewing of our minds. We are transformed as the true Lamb replaces the other lamb.

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© Daniel Yordy 2013

There are two lambs in the Bible, not one. The second lamb is not incidental or peripheral. In fact, we find that the second lamb is more prominent in church history than the first. The second lamb is the other Main thing. If the second lamb did not exist, the beast would have no power in the church. Although outwardly the Lamb wages war with the Beast, inwardly, in our minds and hearts, in the womb of the church, the true Lamb wages a war of life or death against the other lamb. It is a war of faith.

We are transformed by the renewing of our minds. We are transformed as the true Lamb replaces the other lamb. Much of Jesus' effort during His ministry was to break the hold of the other lamb, the Pharisees' definition of God, that would have kept His hearers from receiving Him.

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. Revelation 13:11

In John's vision, the “sea” pictures to us all non-Christians while the earth refers to nominal Christianity. The dividing line in the church for God is the altar of incense. Those who enter into the chastisement of God in the travail of the Spirit, He marks. Those who remain happy Christians will most certainly find blessing; they just won't enter into the Holiest at present. They remain, in the present season, as the earth.

A lamb's horns begin to grow around six months. Thus, the Passover lamb, at one year old, would have had horns a few inches long. Horns are common to male lambs, so the true Lamb also would have had horns. Yet these horns are mentioned, which means they are significant.

Two horns represent power. Have you ever seen two fully horned rams butt heads in full fury? I have not seen rams, but I have seen male goats do so. You would not want to stand between. In this case, the horns represent the power of the forehead. It's interesting, but whenever a bully attempted to do his thing to me, the image that was left in my mind was the thrusting forward of the forehead, the strength of the brow. Though I have known many bullies, I was never susceptible to them. No matter how much their words hurt me, I simply turned my back and continued on. I did not fight back, but neither did I come under that forehead.

There are two kinds of power, the power of life and the power of death. On the two lambs, the horns look the same, but the one Lamb carries us into life, and the other drives into death.

Both lambs are Christ in the church. The one Lamb carries all for real; the other lamb is an image of Christ that has dominated Christianity since the passing of John.

But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Revelation 2:6 – the church of Ephesus, representing the early church under the apostles.

Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. Revelation 2:15-16 – the church of Pergamos, the compromised church, beginning in AD 311 and culminating in Augustine's version of The City of God.

“Nicolaitans” is a form of the Greek, nike, that is, overcome. It is interesting that the definition of God, of Jesus, of man, and of salvation that rules almost all Christianity is the Nicene Creed, nike, Nicolaitan, coming out of the church compromised under Constantine and defined under the influence of alcohol.

But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

If the guy on the white horse, conquering and to conquer, is not Christ, then it likely refers in a significant way to Constantine and the definition of “the conquering” Christ that came into the church by him, that is Apollo, the sun god, the one who defeats his enemies by hacking them to pieces. In fact, having written already concerning this white horse fellow, I lean more now to seeing it as the Other lamb. That does not remove the truth I shared earlier.

This is a very realistic way to understand church history. Inside this same time period, as part of the same severe alteration of Christian understanding, the statue of Jupiter, the god of Rome, was given a new name, Peter. You can go to Rome today and see endless lines of Christians kissing the feet of Jupiter, the exact same piece of stone worshiped by the pagan Romans, yet these Christians call that piece of stone, Peter.

In the same way, Apollo, the sun god of the Greeks, was given a new name – Christ. Constantine, the Beast in that place at that time, needed the Nicene Christ in order to control the church.

The Nicene Creed presents to us the Nicolaitan Christ. On almost any Christian website that has a “What We Believe” page, you click on that page and you find the Nicene Creed.

You see, if you have arrived at a place where the great argument is between whether Jesus was God the Son, having taken human flesh on momentarily versus whether Jesus was a man who showed us a little bit of God, if that is your debate, you've already bought into the entire second lamb, the entire Nicolaitan Christ.

The Debate at the Nicene Council was a debate between Nicolaitans and Nicolaitans. Neither the debate nor any “side” has anything to do with us. God is not what they think.

There is only ONE picture and definition of God given to the entire universe: a Man laying down His life for His friends. We know Him only by placing ourselves utterly inside of Him all the way through.

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.” John 14:7-10

The Nicene Creed presents to us the Nicolaitan Christ. On almost any Christian website that has a “What We Believe” page, you click on that page and you find the Nicene Creed.

There is a great human lust to turn these words into fodder for argument and debate. Those who do so already love the second lamb.

There is one way only by which we can know these words of Jesus. That is by knowing these following words of Jesus: In that day you shall know that I am in the Father and you in Me and I in you. John 14:20

If you do not know these words, then don't let go of God until you do. We will never come to the end of knowing these words, therefore, we will never let go of God revealing Himself in us.

The Nicolaitan Christ is an image created by looking at, and thus engaging in debate over ideas. The true Lamb is known by looking out from, through eyes of fire, and thus the words – AND WE ALSO.

In that day you shall know that I am in the Father and you in Me and I in you. John 14:20

That is the gospel according to Paul; it is the revelation of John. John 14:10 and John 14:20 are the same; they can never be separated.

Look through the Nicene Creed; make note of the severe separation between God and man, all the way through. The Nicene lamb defeats his enemies by hacking them to pieces. The true Lamb carries even His enemies inside Himself all the way into life.

The Nicene lamb's power is forehead only; in the end, he is a wimp. Yet this is the Superman “Christ” that most Christians look for to come. The true Lamb is real power, the power that turns enemies into friends, the power who arises from beneath of us and carries us in His tender arms all the way into life.

Man is the image and likeness of God; man is God revealed. God is known to us only by a Man, a Man laying down His life for His friends – AND WE ALSO. This is God; know Him.

Now, you can see that I am recasting what I shared in my series: The Kingdom Rising, particularly the chapters, Christ Versus Superman, Must We Repent of Augustine, Defining God and Man, The Weakness of God, and The Foolishness of God. I want to continue, here, attempting to re-cast this second lamb in the light of John's vision.

Let's position the battle. There are actually two battles going on simultaneously. One is the battle between the true Lamb and the false in the hearts and minds of believers, the second is the battle between the Lamb through us and the Beast regarding the inheritance, that is, possession of the earth. I have an upcoming article on the second called “The Battle.” The first battle is casting down the accuser; it is the battle of the lambs. Which lamb do you follow?

I have shared before that when I was 21 years old, I heard the words “and THEY shall nourish her there” (Revelation 12) presented as a calling from God, a Sending, a Mission. In my own private heart before the Lord, I raised my hand. “Yes, Lord, I would like to answer that Call.” I was just a boy; I did not know how such a thing could be possible.

“And they shall nourish her there” is at the core of the first battle. It is the warfare in which I am engaged by every word I write. My desire is to change your mind by the Spirit of God and by speaking all that God speaks.
“and THEY shall nourish her there” 

Let's present the two foreheads just before they hit head on.

I will fight against them with the sword of My mouth versus and spoke like a dragon: Did God indeed say?

This is what I have written in every letter I send out.

The enemy has sown his word into the church, as Jesus said.

The truth of God is found all through Christian theology, but so are the words of the serpent, “Did God really say that.” It is almost impossible to separate the words of the serpent from Christ; everyone who has tried only rips out truth right along with the lies, creating a whole new arrangement of serpent word mixed with Christ word.

Almost everyone I know who left the move of God, the fellowship of communities in which I once lived, threw out the truth right along with the lies. Most have completely forgotten the vision God once birthed in their hearts.

Almost everyone I know who discovers a new revelation in God that they had not known before, turns and attacks those verses they once regarded. That is, they don't attack the verses, they just attack those who imagine that those particular verses are actually God speaking. Those who believe that God's whole purpose for us in this life is judgment cannot even see any of the blessing verses in the Bible. Those who believe that God's whole purpose for us in this life is blessing cannot even see any of the judgment verses in the Bible.

That's why Jesus said, “Don't remove the lies until the time of the end.”

There is one group of people only who are capable of ripping out the lies without harming one thing God speaks. They are the ones who live utterly and only inside of John 14:20, who eat of the tree of life, who tremble when God speaks in ALL that He speaks, who engage with God until He fulfills every single Word of Christ in their lives in all fulness. Those who say with Mary, “Let it be to me according to Your word.”

Those who call those things that be not as though they are. Those who have God in their mouths. Those who refuse to speak anything God does not speak. Those who speak all that He speaks as their very and only life.

Speak Christ. Some of you who read this still see yourself and speak of yourself as if you are other than Christ Jesus. Let the true Lamb win. Let His victory be finished.

Those who believe that God's whole purpose for us in this life is judgment cannot even see any of the blessing verses in the Bible. Those who believe that God's whole purpose for us in this life is blessing cannot even see any of the judgment verses in the Bible.

You see, it's a simple equation. Either the Lamb carries us or the lamb commands us. The first is Salvation, the second is existential hopelessness. No matter how powerful, how assertive, or how anointed are those who preach a lamb commanding from the outside of us, they never, themselves measure up. Never. All fall short; all fail to achieve His glory. And here's the thing, in the end, the promoters of a lamb who commands are dishonest. They will never admit their failure to obey perfectly. And remember, if you disobey God just once, one little, tiny bit, you have disobeyed Him in all.

Command and control is the opposite of God's order, the opposite of the body of Christ.

All present human government operates under the full spectrum of command and control. It is the curse spoken by God, the certain outcome of drawing one's heart and mind away from Christ our life to a false self.

But here I do not want to speak of the Beast in the world, but of the other lamb in the church. And yes, science and technology does come into the human experience out of that other lamb. That's why science blesses and curses at the same time. That's why the same technologies that do so much good also do so much evil.

Suddenly, I am beginning to see the story of the scroll sealed with seven seals, the opening of those seals, and the seal of God upon His own, from Revelation 5:1 through 8:1 in a clearer light, though not all the way clear yet. The guy on the white horse in Revelation 6:2 sure looks like Christ, the problem is, he doesn't feel like Christ and that which follows certainly is not that which flows out of Christ.

Command and control is the opposite of God's order, the opposite of the body of Christ.

Yet calling the guy on the white horse a coming “Antichrist,” that is, some future world dictator, does not describe any form of reality in the church.

Here is what we see. The Nicene Christ was established by imperial law in AD 325 (It was the Beast who commanded all to regard the Nicene Christ only, and actually killed those who would not). By AD 385 the first Christian was killed by other Christians (peace taken from the earth). That was the same year Jerome began his translation of the Bible into Latin, and the same year that Augustine began to write The City of God.

There are two definitions of Christ, two images of Christ, two lambs all the way down through church history. The problem is not antichrist, but Christ falsely defined. Almost all of Christianity regards the other lamb. Now, I wrote about the seals in my letter, “Overcome.” Yet, reading back, I don't see anything to change. We are walking up a path upon which we have never trod. Everything looks different to us every few feet up that path. Truth does not change, but our seeing does.

The guy on the white horse is not the antichrist, but Christ far above, Christ far away, Christ coming only some day, the Christ as most of Christianity has defined Him to be, and that image is, in the end, anti-Christ.

The chief characteristic of this Christ, this other lamb, is that He is far separate from the earth, far separate from our lowly, fleshy, sinful lives right now. The testimony of the church for 1900 years is that Christ Jesus is absent from the earth, and that He has appointed certain powers in church and state to take His place. Read the reasoning underneath the role of the pope in the church. I will bring in a most clear example here.

This is excerpts from a recent article, “Benedict the Brave,” by Judge Andrew Napolitano found at the following link. I highly respect Judge Napolitano as a political thinker and would never make light of his religious understanding. I do not quote him to call him “wrong,” but simply to clarify the thinking of so many. Jesus does what He wills with His own, and He asks no man's pleasure. He asks only that we receive all who call themselves by His name in just the same way that He receives us. The article refers to the recent resignation of Pope Benedict.

http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano88.1.html

When Jesus established the papacy, the gospels report that he told St. Peter: "Amen I say to you: You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." These words are emblazoned in Latin across the front of St. Peter’s Basilica... But the Petrine ministry is more than work. And being Papa Petrus is not a job; it is a calling in which a man has been chosen by the direct descendants of the 12 apostles as agents of God to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

When Benedict was elected to the papacy in 2005, I wept with joy that such a faithful custodian of the Church’s teachings and traditions and such a worthy bridge to Christ in heaven had been chosen by the cardinals... The Holy Spirit must have recognized all of this, as well, as He sent us Pope John Paul II, the rock star, to blaze a path where no pope had gone before – touching millions of youths with language they understood – and then He sent us Pope Benedict XVI, the lion of orthodoxy, to lay down the intellectual mechanisms for travels along that path. The path is the bridge to heaven. The way to travel upon it is personal sanctity. The first traveler is the Holy Father.

But some, like Benedict, are called to more than just personal sanctity. Benedict was called to carry a cross of personal sacrifice, as well... The essence of Jesus’s suffering was His decision to eschew the exercise of power and submit to His Father’s will... When Benedict decided that the mystical body of Christ needed another bridge to heaven, he, too, gave up power and glory that he, too, could easily have exercised and retained. He, too, searched his conscience in a supreme effort to elevate submission to divine will above personal preference.

Such a quiet, personal, Christ-like submission of the will is not the essence of a rock star; it is the essence of a Rock. Human salvation has been advanced immeasurably because the Church had both popes at its helm – each to complement the other in ways we could not have imagined.

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Now, before anyone cries foul against the Pope, we must understand that the same reasoning underneath this view of the Pope is underneath almost all Christian view of Christ.

Right now, at this moment, Christ is absent from the earth. In His absence, He has assigned certain individuals to take His place in our lives. You can call them Popes or pastors, bishops or apostles, priests or elders, it makes no difference; we define all of them by the absence of Christ.

Everyone who speaks of the soon return of the Lord Jesus, His coming, define that Christ as one who is presently absent. As Preston Eby teaches so clearly in Looking for His Appearing, that is not how the writers of the New Testament understood the words they used to speak of His appearing. They never saw Him as absent.

I was taught that the elders and apostles in the church stood in the place of Christ towards me and that their role in my life was to help me not follow my own wicked heart as it attempted to take me away from obedience to Christ. Thus I was required to submit to the elders and apostles as a whole as unto Christ if I desired to connect with the salvation of God being revealed in the earth.

This is no different from any Christian thought, any church thought, that Christ is absent from the earth in the present moment and that he is represented in authority by His appointed substitutes.

And from this same view and reasoning, the absent Christ has also given a measure of His authority to kings, to presidents, to human governments. They rule in the earth “by divine right,” (and not by the prince of this world).

And thus, this absent Christ rules by power over, a top-down hierarchy of command and control. “Know your place.” A sister wrote to me that her pastor recently told her that “by rebelling against my covering you have exposed yourself to demonic activity.”

“Do what I say or demons will get you.” This is not the Lamb of God, it is the other lamb. Jesus lives in their hearts, yes, they just don't know it.

A brother wrote to me recently for my perspective on how to reply to a brother who sent him the following note:

Jesus was crucified Wednesday mid week; rose after 3 full days and full nights on Sunday... He breathed the Holy Spirit upon His disciples and ascended into heaven that Sunday evening taking Satan captive. He again appears to the disciples on various occasions until His final departure to heaven when He promises the Power of the Holy Spirit. The thousand years is not an exact 1000 years; it is metaphorical, representing a long extended period of time. Satan is in heaven condemning the Saints before God. He will be cast down to earth for a short time and earth's woes really begin. Jesus will return, the great Resurrection will take place of the Wheat and the Tares...

Here is my reply:

First, much of what he says are true facts held by him as knowledge. He obtains no life from them, but rather, uses them as debate points. The primary thing missing is the mystery of the gospel, Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Now, when I read your article, I see a true heart desire to know the Lord Jesus as He is in you. When I read this brother's words, I do not see such a thing. That desire may be there in his heart underneath of knowledge, but it is not the guide of his words.

As you well know, to most of our brethren, correct knowledge is everything, knowing Jesus as life inside is peripheral. "Jesus lives in my heart," is, for most, a cute Sunday School saying.

Although some of his facts may be "correct," yet they are seen out from a perspective that causes both the "not correct" stuff and the skewed understanding of the true facts. You see, facts are facts, but how we interpret them, where they fit in our scheme of things, is entirely dependent on what overall theory we apply. Because of that, discussing facts against facts is a waste of time, because you are speaking out from utterly conflicted theories.

Some might say, "Well, if God isn't speaking to the brother, then there's nothing you can say that would penetrate into his heart." And that can often be true. The problem with that "Calvinist" viewpoint, though, is that God is in you, in your words. God does move in power as you expect Him to, the Holy Spirit will attend your words. Yet allow them to move out from His seeing.

In one sense, theory gives answer to three specifics: motive, means, and opportunity. I realize I'm mixing science with jurisprudence, but it works. In fact, I like this. I will develop this further in later writing.

This brother's theory is 100% Augustinian, though he does not know that. In Augustinian theory, God's motive is to rescue a bunch of unworthy sinners and take them to an undeserved future in heaven in order to re-populate His heavenly city with worshipers. The means is something back then, someone up there, and something some day. Do you see how absent the Lord Jesus is from His body by this brother's facts? And the opportunity has two parts: 1. subscribe to correct doctrine and 2. attend the right church (be under the right authority structure).

Here is the theory that I teach.

Motive: God desires to be seen and known and touched by His creation through man, His image, through a company of sons, just like Jesus, the express image of the Father. Motive is the first part of theory, and thus, Romans 8:29 must be the most important verse in the Bible.

Means: A seed planted in the earth. Now, I kept that short, but it is very large - it contains all that Christ is. When we say "seed," we mean the metaphor of both kinds of seed, plant seed and human seed. The metaphor of a seed is what the entire Bible is written around from Genesis to Revelation. Every fact in the Bible appears in a different light and fits in a different place by that metaphor. In contrast, the "back then, up there, someday" means of Nicene Christianity creates disjointed events and occurrences, evident in the brother's layout of facts.

Opportunity: In that day you shall know that I am in the Father and you in Me and I in you. You know, that says it all. All that is Salvation carries all that we are and all that is Salvation fills us as our very life – Christ Jesus, our only life. We could go on endlessly.

The problem is that these two theories are mutually exclusive. No part of one can be found in the other. Yet they each gather into themselves the same facts. That's why most believers, coming across my writing, no matter how they might be drawn to particulars, facts they recognize, yet they end up bouncing off. There is no way they can buy into the theory I teach without letting go of all their Nicene theory. It requires a total transfer.

And that's why so much of what I write is an open and clearly defined assault against the Nicene theory. The facts will easily find their rightful place whenever a heart is truly won to Christ and to life.

So, let's look at the brother's facts. The narrative of the gospel places Jesus' death on Friday, not Wednesday. Jesus' words, "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," force some zealous souls to say, "No, He had to be crucified on Wednesday, and since I believe "correct" doctrine, I have the opportunity to progress." But Jesus spoke a Spirit Word out of God's all-pervasive metaphor of a seed planted in the earth. Yes, for three thousand years, Jesus in Person is planted in the earth of humanity to bring forth all the purposes of God as us and through us.

Then, the layout of Jesus' victory over Satan – you see how it is a series of disconnected events with no reference to a seed that must be planted. We can say, "Satan is fully defeated," AND "Satan will be fully defeated," both at the same time without contradiction. It is the same thing as holding one bean seed in one hand and many bean seeds in the other. This one seed was planted in the earth, it birthed a plant, out of which came these many seeds, just like the original one. The one defeating the accuser becomes the many defeating the accuser. In the brother's disjointed arrangement of facts, there is no place for the many coming forth as the one seed that birthed them.

And the someday coming of Christ as an event taking place apart from this brother requires that he be among those who weep in shame. Christ in us is our only hope of glory. Those who see Him outside of themselves weep. The false means of Nicene Christianity results in missed opportunity. That the life of Jesus also might be apocalypsed in our mortal flesh.

Opportunity requires bodies of weakness. When the bodies of weakness are no more, the opportunity ceases. Wow, this is a great way to explain things!

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As I said, the unveiling of Jesus Christ is a path yet untrod. It is very much in my heart to share with you the path up which I am being led, thus I include my progression of thought. But I tell you what! I am excited about developing more fully this conflict between two theories of the gospel, the battle of the lambs.

The Lamb of God is never absent from the earth. He is here now in all ways in all fulness, walking this earth in His body, as us. This is the mystery, the secret, and when He is unveiled, He will catch all of His enemies utterly unawares. But that's coming up in “The Battle.” When I write six articles at the same time, I have to be sure I put things in the right letter.

This letter is about the other lamb. Both lambs are found in a church. In fact, we can understand the other lamb as we go back and forth between him and his church. Let's attempt to define both, though we will investigate the other lamb's woman in a later article.

Let's re-iterate the theory of Nicene Christianity; we are describing the Nicene Christ. All of this takes place inside of separation; all of it comes out of the tree of knowledge.

Motive: God's motive is to rescue a bunch of unworthy sinners and take them to an undeserved future in heaven in order to re-populate His heavenly city with worshipers.

Inside this motive, image, then, has become thus: since God is a self-conscious Person, so we are self-conscious persons, higher than the animals. As Aquinas said, “Hence it is according to his intelligence and reason that man is said to be according to the image of God.” In other words, we are the image of God because we eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, because we are independent and isolated persons.

Inside the woman, the response to this motive is the telling of a very different story. It requires the creation of eternal torment, an idea not found in the first two hundred years of Christian thinking. It requires the creation of a far-away heaven as our eternal “home,” where we will float in bliss forever. Oh how the story was twisted by the Nicene Christ. I must write more on it than the space in this letter allows.

Means: The means is something back then, someone up there, and something some day.

God accomplishes His purposes in the earth by sending God the Son into something abnormal for God, a momentary clothing of human flesh, in which Jesus was punished for sin, that is, God the Father unleashed all of His hatred and anger for sin against God the Son. This Jesus is now far away from man, far away from this earth, looking down from afar, yes, but also begging God not to punish us. Someday, far in the future, this same Jesus will come back to earth to punish all sinners, that is, all those who failed to take advantage of the opportunity. He will also reward those who did correctly take advantage of the opportunity.

Inside the woman, then, the response to this means of God is, to put it quite bluntly, idolatry. She “deifies” this far-away “savior.” That is, she puts him high on a pedestal in her imagination and grovels before him. She turns the apostles into demigods and the Bible into magic. She worships the saints. She worships the crucifix. She wails over the passion of the Christ. And I am not just speaking of Catholics. Deifying the King James Version of the Bible is identical to any Catholic worship of saints. Deifying the modern nation of Israel is the same, as is pledging allegiance to flags and killing people for Jesus, that is, praying for the troops.

You see, the evangelical, the charismatic, and the deeper truth church has approached the true life of Christ, yes. But they allow the present salvation of Jesus to find its place ONLY inside a Nicene Christ; they define everything by the same definitions as the Catholics. Even many who teach union see union as with a Nicene Christ.

Opportunity: The opportunity has two parts: 1. subscribe to correct doctrine and 2. attend the right church (be under the right authority structure).

These two things often go hand in hand. To the Catholics, correct doctrine is to mouth agreement with the Pope, and to partake of the Sacraments. At the same time, being under the “covering” of the priest who administers the Sacraments is essential. Yet Protestant opportunity is only different in appearance, not in substance. For most evangelicals, correct doctrine IS the Nicene Creed. “Be sure to go to church” is also essential.

And it is true, if you differ from the Nicene Creed on any point, you are considered lost by most Christians I know, no matter how much you think you trust in Jesus.

In the woman opportunity always takes the form of human works, of human righteousness, of man walking the path of atonement himself. In the move of God, it was “perfect obedience,” the same old same old. At the same time, the terrible threat of “the life of Jesus manifest in our mortal flesh” must be eliminated. Thus the flesh is turned into the enemy, utterly evil and down-pulling.

Part of Nicolaitan is the sharp division between ministry and laity, victory over the laity. The ministry have an in with God, the laity are utterly fleshy and under the control of Christ ONLY by obeying the ministry in all things. This attitude is actually more pronounced in deeper truth circles than anywhere besides Catholicism. I see now that there were a number of things in the move, the fellowship I was a part of for many years, that were a return to Catholicism and not to Christ, things which short-circuited the wonderful teaching of Christ in us, things that won out in the end over “see Christ in your brother.” We saw the flesh instead, the flesh as the enemy.
You see, the evangelical, the charismatic, and the deeper truth church has approached the true life of Christ, yes. But they allow the present salvation of Jesus to find its place ONLY inside a Nicene Christ; they define everything by the same definitions as the Catholics. Even many who teach union see union as with a Nicene Christ.

I heard the Nicene Christ proclaimed at church just a few weeks ago. “Jesus IS coming back.” And through those words came the iron of savage separation. It is the battle of the lambs. All of the facts of the Bible and of the gospel are found in both lambs. (Except that the Nicene lamb will not touch the two most important verses of the Bible and utterly limits and waters down the other seven.) Yet all the facts of the Bible and of the gospel are arranged in an entirely different order from one Lamb to the Other.

You see, here is the problem in full. No one believes that we are the body of Christ.

Everyone has been fooled by the Master Military Strategist of the universe. He has a purpose up His sleeve, a purpose more wonderful and glorious than we can imagine.

God is filled with hope; we are His hope.

Nailing Our Colours

Jews first, then every nation, need to nail their colours to the mast.
In Genesis 3 we see the demonic progression of control.
verse 1 an outlandish Lie to provoke conversation in a leftbrain dynamic
verse 3 Having established a leftbrain beach-head lie, a further outright lie about God and what He has specifically stated. By now, the argument has been taken right out of the Spirit realm and firmly into leftbrain pingpong with someone who has been a Barrister and judge way before we even came along. We don't stand a chance in this false left-brain realm.
verse 6, Satan gets us to DO something. It doesn't matter what particularly...it can be a masonic oath, some other specifically disallowed act, and he has entered illegally into a sphere that isn't his...our spirit, and we are disconnected from our Primary Life source.
From this beach head every foul curse can be expanded over the whole human race. The aim is total control and possession.
verse 7 Shame. Already building on the lie of God the father as an ogre,now the devil's own "child of wrath" spirit is now resident, which make Adam and Eve feel absolutely awful. God the Father breaks the cycle before it becomes total control. God has done the same interventions right through every day of history, but that doesn't stop the devil from ceaselessly repeating stuff.
The same Edomite lines that Israel fought against , that produced Goliath and the other giants, that produced Herod, who killed all those children, that produced the most evil of the chief priests who warped the democratic vote against Jesus at His phony trial....those very same descendants have continually lured Jews by their clever ploys and manipulations regarding finance. Everytime the Jews buy into it, and every time, the rogue Jews get off scot free, and the rest of the Jews get it in the neck. They were expelled from England in 1215 by King John over much the same stuff that is going on in the financial world today. Through the wheedling of Thomas Cromwell, the Jews were allowed in to England again, where the same lines have continued from where they left off.
This type of manipulation has now spread to include all nations. Then, the same rogue element withdraw having caused the manipulation, and tell the other nations about the "faults" of the nations they have manipulated. With the advent of Sattellite TV and online media this has been elevated to an art form. America is roused against Arabs. Arabs are told about the "Great Satan USA". The rest of the world is told about Rothschild and UK banking, while the whole of the UK is left oblivious by Rothschild controlled BBC.
Much of the original problem actually has been the Jews inner vision of themselves as "cursed" by their angry God. God is NOT an angry God, and foresaw everything anyway, and even wrote it all up thousands of years ahead of time. Because the Jew fails to look up and see straight intpo the eyes of their loving Father, they scurry for refuge into the the hands of those who say they are Jews but are not, thinking that where there is money, there is safety.
Solzhenitsyn's last book before he died raises the most recent history of Jews in Russia, but this has been banned by rogue Jews, because it makes clear that Communism is largely a Jewish scam, but the Semitic Jews in Russia were as usual, largely targeted for destruction by their rogue brethren. Jews have to nail their allegiances, before there is no choice left. The history of the world is one repeated story of "Has God said?" He has said, and He continues to say. But someone in the earth has to be sure that they are sure that they are sure, and reply out of inner conviction.
PART TWO (only in this note)
Have you ever wondered how the scriptural scenario of every nation turning against Israel could occur? I woke up with this one morning this last week.....

Let's backtrack...
Think about the present image of the church in the nations?
People will roll out the same replies the world over.
They are:
The Catholic (implied....original) Church is lined with gold
They sold indulgences
The Church spearheaded the Crusades
The Anglican Church sent millions to die in the First World War
The Northern ireland situation
Catholic Birth Control
So many cases of Pedophilia among priests

Here's two counteracting bombshells
1. Jesus said it would be precisely like this. A farmer goes out to sow in his field and an enemy comes by night...etc So now the Kingdom Field or Church worldwide IS really a mixture of pure seed, with choking evil seeds and plants growing alongside.

2. If you consider every single main objection above, then put in Luciferian beside it...see how you get on?
Luciferian Templars infiltrated and caused the Crusades. They then committed some of the worst atrocities ever on the way home such that the Pope tried to have them killed. One technique was developed at this time that still persisits in mindprogramming to this day....sodomization to shatter personalities and subjugate them (see Kay Griggs on the CIA, google or see the link on my blog)
Using freemasonry, using druids and witches to usurp professorships in seminaries, the belief in the Bible was totally destroyed. Kitchener was a pedophile, so was Baden Powell, both involved in encouraging millions to their death in the trenches.
Jesuits shape and to this day control policy in the catholic church, including the idea that the egg and not just the fertilised egg, is a human being. They maintain the disastrous doctrine of single priests.

Now consider the sheer spell-like power that Satan has over the nations of the world as a result of his own doings, his own infiltration into God's FIELD.

NOW CONSIDER THE DAY SATAN withdraws his "People who say they are Jews but are not" from Israel, while they MAKE PUBLIC THEIR ENTIRE MASONIC OPERATION OVER 300 YEARS OF BLOODSHED AND WAR
 and lay it at the FEET OF ISRAEL
AND ALL THOSE SUPPORTERS LIKE GOD CHANNEL AND RICK JOYNER, who have been "played" and suckered in at the last moment, before they withdraw.

This is the same method of operation Satan used against "born again" Bush junior, by embroiling him in the Afghan War. Was Bush born again? Is only his front "alter" born again....see Fritz Springmeier on Mind Control techniques. His entire technique is to lead astray, or masquerade as God's thing in the earth, then drag it in the mud. The Genesis 3 trick has always been for Satan to wheedle himself into God's container or vessel, then become the host virus that persuades everyone else that God's Creation is totally defective and corrupt.


GUESS WHAT WILL THEN TRANSPIRE as the blame
for French Revolution
Austrian Police state of 1800s
Revolution in Europe and America
Boer Wars and Apartheid
The World Wars
All Communism

IS LAID AT THE FEET OF THE JEWS ENTIRELY and where possible the church.
While those who caused the problem sidle off to other parts, whistling nonchalently?

In the midst of this huge negative backdrop are the pressures which weld this supernatural NEW CREATION that comes out of the marriage of the Lamb to the Church. Huuuuuuge.

Darkness is AS LIGHT to the Lord
and secondly....the principle in the Lord's prayer still applies: LEAD US NOT IN TO THE TIME OF TESTING but (instead) DELIVER US FROM ALL TRACE OF EVIL, OF THE INDEPENDENT SELF, OF DUAL VISION>>>"GOD AND"types of living
of everything that isn't God going on.

A Recent History of Psalm 24 Part Six : The Ancient Door of Control

This is a post about the spirit of control...control for short.

Control is when you pray for hours by your dying mother's bed when all the time the doctors behind your back have skillfully pre-designed when she will die of cancer in their palliative care .


Anti-control is when Jesus used to clear everyone out of the room before speaking a word of faith.

Control is when you are led to play a music CD with cutting edge Kingdom lyrics in a meeting and you find a CD has already been loaded by the sound technician and that Mariette has already sewn up the entire meeting the moment we came in.(Thank goodness most of this is gone)

Anti-control includes a great many of Jesus miracles strategically planted to expose control and establish Kingdom, or KING-DOM. The KING-DOM is opposite of control.

Control originated when someone reached up for a fruit in a garden.Control is the opposite of Proverbs 3:5 instead it is rather :Trust in your insight with all your heart and do not rely on your Lord. Control is your inner agenda where you aren't "seeing God".


Control is the hidden mesh that directs you that has nothing to do with your new life or anyone else's new life in Christ.

Control is the biggest single reason why Baptism in the Holy Spirit cannot take place.
Control is rebellion.
Control is as witchcraft.
Control only understands pyramids and submission to that pyramid.

It just does not "get " freewill,family,fatherhood ,unique identity. In fact EVERYTHING God's family is about. So CONTROL has the earthly appearance of "maturity" and looks down its nose at the KINGDOM
which is not professional enough
not slick enough
too spontaneous
too open-hearted

Artists,creatives,the spontaneous lovers,the generous are hated by CONTROL
In religious settings
everything a prophet / seer is
everything a prophet/seer does and stands for is
ANATHEMA to controlling people. Their hidden "mesh" continually breathes out slaughterings though on the surface many controllers appear jovial and kind-hearted.

The ONLY One of the 12 tribes chosen to lead the Kingdom because technically they don't lead,
well ......as far as control can understand or perceive anyway
is the TRIBE of JUDAH. They go first. They praise.They worship.They sing. They "see". But they DO NOTHING the spirit of "Control" understands as leading.

In the 1970s when God was re-establishing praise and leading a whole generation out of a spiritual and secular Babylon, because Control didn't recognise them as "leaders", but in the Kingdom they in fact were the spearhead,
people like Dave Bilbrough, Dave Mansell,Graham Kendrick infiltrated every denomination with their songs, and like Pied Pipers lured a whole generation from certain spiritual death in the denominations, until more mature now in God, the people returned to affect and change the Evangelical Alliance, and the old mainstream denominational churches with spiritual events like New Wine and courses like Alpha.
Control is no more about control than the political spirit is about politics, and party spirit is about parties....well birthday cake type ones.

Control in our brain is about being a catalyst for right functioning motor skills, walking,reaching,standing. The spirit of control is more like rusty seized up brakes on a bike. It tries to block the Incarnation of God in flesh. It began with Adam. It wrestled with the 2nd Adam. And now it wrestles with every human alive, but above all the Church, the (meant to be)pure manifestation of Christ in many-membered form. The meaning of Satan is "Blocker"/"Resister".


Control in a woman destroyed a team of functioning elders in Amersham Baptist Church in 1973 and reinstated the same Pastor Pyramid the Holy Spirit was breaking apart,for another 40 years.....
Control is an Ancient Door in Psalm 24 .
Control is the biggest single reason a man can train for 6 years in a Bible college learning the ways of the Lord instead, and still in 38 years never have been involved publically in leadership or preaching.
Control is when certain South African church streams believe LOGOS has the pagan Greek meaning LOGIC or THOUGHT instead of the Hebrew idea of BEING.

Control meant Rob Rufus had to get the heck out of his own people in South Africa. But control is also the reason the Holy Spirit sent him to Hong Kong....to declare the Kingdom in a city of control. It may be Rob Rufus never gets to be KING in his own "tea party" there, but with renewed authority goes back to "terrify control" in South Africa. (the craftsmen shall terrorise the nations). Jesus was a craftsman.

Control is the belief that Life needs some help for it to happen.

Dr Challenors Grammar School ,Amersham was all about secular control, intellectual control. When this lying facade wore thin having achieved 11 A's and effectively done what they were looking for at age 12 I started to "see through the whole sham" , because my "person" was not respected and I sought a better way. Now I perceive slightly better acknowledgement of personhood there when I returned for the Reunion last week. This is happening in a lot of education at the moment thankfully. Probably because my generation has risen up and wanted to change things.

Every spiritual gift is given to break control or move contrary to control to set people free.
The police gift Discernment of spirits is "Control's" worst and greatest enemy. Even prophets can be deceived by the friendly Angel of Light face of Control. But the police gift nabs it every time!
Gifts of the Spirit to set people free is only 50% of it. If that's all we're missing it.
The gifts of the Spirit (rightly used) were always there FOR THE USER TOO.
Why?
To get you out of the clutches of your own "spirit of control" faster than you can say "Svengali".
You are your own worst nightmare. The meshes of wrong believing scrawled right across the Temple walls of your Holy Place(Ezekiel8:10) had nothing to do with any truth about you, or Jesus, or the Kingdom. Thankfully we don't all get to "see" every jot and tittle of everybody's scrawlings, the Heavenly Father values our individual privacy too much. But sometimes when there's just one of those BIG BLOCKS that are acting like an airleak in a space ship, endangering your faith life and those surrounding you....the Holy Spirit can send in gentle doctors. Your scrawlings wont find them gentle though. "Just leave me alone to my controlling desires!!!!Clear off!!!" Since when did Darkness welcome Light? "Oh so glad you could come! Here take a seat, won't you?"
As Francois and Andre teach, by FAR the BIGGEST source of healing to all of us , is to flood our Temple Walls with LIGHT. Light about who the Father planned and created us to be FROM BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF CREATION in Eternity. If we're not sure we're sure we're sure we're caught up in heavenly places in Christ Jesus....We don't want to be scratching around our inward walls. The Charismatic church has done far too much navel gazing.
WHICH, BY THE WAY is Another Form of Control.That's why, the FIRST thing we do is see Jesus, who made for a time a little lower than the angels is NOW crowned with glory and honour.....THE FIRSTBORN of a whole ton of brethren and sistren!!!!!!

Praise , worship and adoration are all "out of control".
Key of David meetings are the opposite of control.
Prophecy, like the gift of Tongues is thankfully out of control. You may know the gist but if leaders ask you first, you can bamboozle them with something that sounds good to them, then you can let them have it from the cutting edge of your spirit....and hope for another week at least you won't be thrown out.

A man once had " control" leeching at his heart to do with something dreadful he had been involved in in his past . (I only found out later, that it had been an extraordinarily violent act). He was a main leader and was preaching on brokenness, saying when he was born again, he thought he'd been completely broken by the Lord, but now God was showing him again through Watchman Nee's writings that many areas were "left unbroken"........(or for this post's purposes....left in the "spirit of control") While leading us in prayer God gave me the strangest thing I've had to do up until now to "break this control of fear and shame over his life" which was dominating this "mesh" of his inner seeing as he sought to work "for God". God said I had to reverse my hand in the manner of a floppy glove (like the old duelling challenges) and strike his cheek while saying this:
"This is a Holy moment. Today I say to you that the shame of the violence of your past is taken from you..."thwack. You can only do this sort of thing in God. Do not get it wrong. In God's economy of grace , such an act of His is of much more worth to the Lord than a long prison sentence, and I doubt if anything could ever be proved anyway. God is about setting everyone free from within. Any success in the prison system comes not from the bars, but from inward anguish and change. A great many behind physical bars always remain behind inner bars and never change.

Control was when the overall leader gathered all his elders together to frame me as having committed the sin of Aaron and Miriam before Moses, rising up in rebellion. As you can guess this was so wrong, it was 180 degrees wrong. But the Lord is my cause and He fights for me.
Control was when this leader put a "Gentile curse" on me and after being thrown out, the next day a car drove straight into me and across me as I drove. But God had greater control and I am still here. Never underestimate the power of a person's wrong controlling decision though, especially if in leadership. Daniel Yordy is still climbing out physically from a similar leader's curse incident in a kind of sister church.

Control is when after 6 months daily praying for a paralysed girl in 1988 the Lord indicates she is to be healed in Israel of all places. You believe for the tickets for her mother,you and the girl after checking out the medical situation. After 3 attempts you believe for visas, and God puts you in touch with an Israeli believer who supplies them. Control is when the pastor directs my church brother who is my paying lodger to steal the air tickets from my own doormat out of concern for my state of mind. Control works in pyramidal behaviour....anything out of this aegis is considered a "state of mind". Those under communism and fascism (both equally bankrolled by Rothschild banks) are aware of this.

Cares,pleasures and riches seek only control and are the last barrier to 30fold,60fold and 100fold harvest quality soil.(parable of the Sower)

Control is the opposite of mature Christianity.This is described to Peter as "but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." John 21:18

Control is an understanding of the Bible, the Word, that holds to one set of values only because it comes from a mindset that seeks to hold all understanding in the left-brain. The Bible is to be held in a pure heart by the Holy Spirit alone. Bits of articulation are enabled as the "gift of utterance" is granted. We can enquire. We can reason. We can doubt honestly before the Lord. But the moment our faith level controls our Word output, we preach according to reason not according to the Holy Word. The Holy Word is NOT the Bible per se, it is an inner wisdom birthed in us by "training our senses according to righteousness". See the Orb on the Bench picture- a bit random but I'm the son of Physics teachers.

Understanding the Bible is more to do with our inner "seeing mesh" being broken, and by an inner willingness to say "Yes Lord be it unto me according to your Word". John 7:17 If anyone is willing to do His(the Father's) will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself.

Rather Bible knowledge and wisdom is unlocked in chunks like levels and missions in a computer game, as we go through further conversions of inner seeing on our insides. I went from a rather rusty surface understanding of a few basic Sunday school type stories from within Methodism to doing a Potted version of Watchman Nee's "The Normal Christian Life" after conversion and Baptism in the Spirit in a 3 month period when I was 13. Understanding the Bible has next to nothing to do with hours, but has everything to do with relating to Jesus the Living Word.

Control cannot operate in faith.
Control does not understand, see or move in the Melchizedek order.
The Kingdom is run from the Melchizedek order.
Andre Rabe writes many excellent pieces of Bible wisdom. He writes a phrase that is good and bad at the same time. From memory it was saying God has spoken His final Word in His Son.There is nothing beyond this. So to get involved with "fashionable words and winds of doctrine" is now irrelevant because the complete Word has been spoken. The good side of this is that now we have to do with our completeness in Jesus and God's completeness in us. It is all to do with Jesus the complete LOGOS in us and not bits and pieces moving the Church here and there. This solidifies our message and is more in keeping with the 3rd level or stage of growth in 1 John 2: 12 (ff) we know Him who is from the beginning so we're not going to be pushed around by people saying Christ is Lo here or Lo there and rushing everywhere.

Got that!
That is good.
Suppose your South African Reformed mindset is not completely broken though in your "mesh" underneath surface thinking.
When God directs you to "Go up to Kadesh-Barnea today!" You are not going to go. Because it is a wind of doctrine to you. You are going to despise the Rhema gifts of the Spirit because in your folly you hold to a mental stronghold image that your left-brain somehow holds the complete LOGIC or LOGOS of God.
Any sense of "Now" Word or "Now" Power is anathema to you. Because for you the Kingdom is not run in the Melchizedek order, it is run through something like the Greek understanding of LOGOS in your left-brain.
The Logos if it resides anywhere in us, Proverbs indicates, is in our inner parts. Guard your hearts for out of them flow the wellsprings of life.
Everything prophetic comes from here. Life in meetings comes from here. Our life lived in Jesus comes from here. A Greek LOGOS mindset has no frame of reference for this anti control statement:
Revelation 19:10
"For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
While Andre and Francois have their South African mesh in place they cannot even hear the inner sound of anything in this Psalm 24 series. It is like trying to describe colours to colourblind people. They say,by the side of their comfortable Dutch settler hearthside or whatever,"Things unroll in a steady fashion." There is no prophetic moment like Moses saying
Tonight we leave Egypt.....eat unleavened bread....no time for leavening."
In a Dutch Reformed (I guess) setting there is all the time in the world for leavening. There is no prophetic at all.We go when we have enough understanding Lord! Actually they should not address Jesus as Lord, because there is no concept of Lordship here. LOGOS as channelled alone through what my the left-brain can understand becomes a pseudo Lord instead. It is control. In one form.

When I address the South African prophet on Facebook ,Mark Labushagne , his mesh, his control is completely 180 degrees the other way. He moves out of "separatism". It's an out there, outside type of God ....everything that would make Francois and Andre cringe when they think of spiritual gifts....which they try not to.
So to Mark, because my friendly Rottweiler picks up on his "mesh" I attack him almost as if I'm not the least bit interested in prophecy.I am very interested in prophecy but not prophecy that upholds and maintains the lying position of Genesis 3.

As a result Mark is using his natural flair at pyramid building to effectively run a corporation of prophets (not profits which would be worse). Peter Stott and Graham Cooke were in this game 20 years ago and have repented and moved on to the real Kingdom. Actually one reason many mistake for a lack of respect in me to Peter, which isn't true, is while they were busy playing these games I got badly burnt. So I 've been watching Peter and Mariette like a hawk since.
Whenever they revert back to "control" and the Spirit gives me something to do I take great pleasure in doing it.

Peter has changed enormously. If you can imagine a car dealer turned prophet, you have some idea what he was like before cancer and near death.


The true LOGOS does not know or even perceive control either. It ignores it. It sets itself against it. It rises up against it and eats it for breakfast.

2ndlevel growth still has control embedded deeply within it. David ignored the Word and exercised "control" to get a new cart to bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. The Cart stumbled (interestingly enough) at the threshing floor. Someone perished while putting his hand out to save it. You don't "control" God's Presence. Andre put his hand out a bit this weekend.

Because it was only the other day that Jesus told me about the traditional churches they are from, I had no idea what anathema I was declaring this weekend by the Spirit. Virtually everything I said would have touched raw nerves.

The reason God's true church is not built in a pyramid was obliquely referred to 30 years ago by the Christian piano shop owner.I had no idea what he was talking about at the time but this is what he said:
The reason the eldership at Emsworth is so anointed and functions so well together is that if you took an inner direction arrow pointing through their collective heart it points directly at the throne of God. In other words there is safety in teams of called leaders, probably for the precise reason they are so different.
If you put Mark Labuschagne and Andre Rabe together, tying Andre in a strait-jacket first, then invited in Bonnie Morris and Stephanie Macentire, then yanked in Daniel Yordy and Rich Novek, plus some more of the women on Facebook, you'd start to get a glimpse of the true unfettered Word. But Andre and Francois on their own....forget it. We'd be sending an aeroplane to fetch out all the prophets before they were murdered Idi Amin style.

The reason Facebook is so good is it recognises no stream, no Kingdom box. It is pure rattling of the Ezekiel bones. But one day whether Andre and Francois like it or not the second prophesying is going to come, and this army shall stand up clothed in flesh and glory! But don't tell them that it will overexcite their left-brains, and they won't be able to concentrate for their next country they preach into.