AND......."They Limited The Holy One Of Israel!" Rich Novak. Chris Welch on how this relates to "circumcision" and "contrite"

Rich Novak's note on Facebook Yesterday at 18:05
I am amazed as I look back on the last few months how God has gradually, and sometimes not so gradually, taken me into this place of just catching a glimpse of HIS UNLIMITED-NESS! And not only His Unlimited-ness in relation to the corporate body or the whole of our lives, but more specifically HIS DESIRE TO BE THE UNLIMITED EXPANDING ALL IN ALL, IN US, AS MEMBERS OF HIS BODY!

I woke up this morning with one particular verse, and I tried to sleep, but it wouldn’t go away! I then started seeing other verses, and then other verses, and again, and again! I then realized He was showing me HIS HEARTS DESIRE, which He expressed to HIS FATHER so wonderfully and with such passion in John chapter 17!

“That they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.”

Then I started seeing how people have limited God all throughout history!

And I saw the Unlimited God grieving because we also “limit the Holy One (Christ IN US) of Israel!”

Passages were coming before me like a freight train, such as the infamous one in Isaiah 40, where God is painting a picture of our Unlimited Life in Him as an eagle soaring above ‘OUR HIGH PLACES”……. which brought me to Habakkuk, chapter 3, where all Habakkuk sees (in his limitation) is misery and barrenness, at which time the Prophet’s eyes are opened to see the Unlimited God in the middle of all the seeming lack……… which then took me to David, who after Jonathan, his covenant partner dies (as a picture of Christ) in battle, goes out searching for Jonathan’s remaining descendants (a picture of us) and finds his son, whose name is Mephibosheth, hiding from David in a place called Lodebar, (meaning barrenness and limitation) and David, (being a picture of the Father), takes this man who is the last descendant of Jonathan, and is lame in both feet, (also a picture of us) and who called himself a “dead dog”, into the King’s Unlimited Kingdom, where he goes from barrenness and limitation to the UNLIMITED-NESS OF DAVID’S ENDLESS SUPPLY…… which then reminded me of Jesus and His feeding of the Five Thousand…….. which made me then think of Elijah and the widow woman, and because of her selfless act of OTHER LOVE, she ate from the UNLIMITED BREAD AND OIL, which……..is also a picture of The MANNA which comes down from Heaven in Deuteronomy 8, as the UNLIMITED SUPPLY IN OUR ETERNAL DAY!
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The House That Keeps Framing Itself.. (Interjection from Chris Welch on Facebook)
Like a developing cell or a developing brain,what you thought was the House was just the inner ringlet valve of the inner antechamber to the smaller bathroom of the outhouse in front of the main vestibule.


Each generation has to "go outside"and Hebrews13:13 peg out the next rough ground that the architect gives you from his massive wad of unfolding plans. (Hmmm if Kafka met Ed Miller)
"No,David....You shall not build the House....but I shall build for you a house that will outlast all generations!!!
Susie Golmon Cox Yes! Yes! Yes! Chris! I am Bursting at the reading of this! I am coming to understand that as God's plan is unfolding...in and through each of us(and I agree that FB is a part of this) that it is also opening up like a Bloom. Each next moment as each of us become increasingly aware of our absolute reality of Christ's Life within us as our Life AND ... See morethe reality of His Life in each of our Brothers and Sisters we are experiencing His ongoing increasing 'Flowering' of Himself, if you will, unto all of us.Sometimes we Christians forget or have not realized that our spirits/inner man are being renewed day by day. Our bodies are the ONLY thing getting 'older' We are increasingly smelling both...more 'like' and smelling more 'of' the Flower's(Jesus) scent and seeing more of our Home, like the vision of the crystal citadel, by the Faith of God within us! We are homesick for a place we've never been...but in fact we ARE THERE! For He has MADE US to SIT WITH HIM in Heavenly Places! And many times I notice a common 'subject' on FB on any given day. We are all more on the 'same page' than we realize. Consider this on Don Nori Sr.'s FB Status this morning...1st the status..then the comments.............................................................
"We are changing from earthly people to spiritual people. We are becoming newly aware of a realm we did not know had such power. We are learning that things are not always as they appear; that the five senses cannot interpret the things of the spirit realm, since they cannot even sense them. We are discovering new levels of reality, trust, joy, fulfillment and love. The best thing of all is that this is only the beginning!"
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Rich continues

*That is the best "This is only the beginning" and I'm so excited!
*Born again to see and access a Supreme Reality (John 3)...
*How mighty are His wonders!!!!
*AMEN!!! We haven't even begun to see all that awaits for us as we fully yield to Him who lives inside!!!!
*Don't let nostalgia tie you to former mentalities. You can remain loyal to the launch pad without lingering on it.
*This spirit man who is this new being walking the planet is ruling from this spiritual dimension with His Majesty King Jesus. It’s a spirit people, a throne room people. We have been transformed, having the mind of Christ.
*Awesome!!!!!
*I think it was Dutch Sheets who said, "We are not human beings who have occasional spiritual experiences; we are spiritual beings having a temporary human experience."
*Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope this encourages you as it has me....keep posting your God-given insights....they are reaching just whom they are supposed to reach and making the Divine connections bringing about the blossoming of the Kingdom of Heaven!
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CAN YOU SEE IT? HOW CAN WE AS HIS BODY NOT SEE IT? “AND THEY LIMITED THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL!”

If I may be so bold, please let me translate the following popular verse as to what I believe they are NOW SAYING; as I NOW see them IN Christ, AS THE UNLIMITED ALL IN ALL!

“IF ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST HE IS A NEW CREATION, THE OLD HAS PASSED AWAY, AND BEHOLD, ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW!” (II Cor 5:17)

“In Christ the old consciousness of limitations has died, and in its place, the UNLIMITED CHRIST LIVES IN US, IN THE FORM OF THE SAME SPIRIT WHO RAISED HIM UP FROM THE DEAD, AND WHO NOW LIVES IN AND THROUGH US, SO WE MAY SEE AS HE SEES……EVERYTHING NEW, AND THE NEW CONCSIOUSNESS OF THE UNLIMITED CHRIST IN US AND AS US, HAS SWALLOWED UP THE OLD CONCSIOUSNESS OF SEEING MORE THAN GOD, AND ALONG WITH IT, ALL OF ITS ATTACHED LIMITATIONS!”


“I HAVE BECOME ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN THAT BY “ALL” POSSIBLE MEANS I MIGHT SAVE SOME!” (I Cor 9:19-23)

“WE have become HIM in our form as the UNLIMITED ONE, for HIS NAME IS “ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN”, JUST AS IT IS “I AM THAT I AM!” And this wonderful PERSON, whose name in this ETERNAL DAY called “TODAY” IS “ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN!” AND BY HIS DOING, WE HAVE ALSO BECOME THE SAME, THAT WE (as Him in our form and expression) MIGHT SAVE THOSE WHO SEE HIM AS BEING SEPARATED FROM HIM!”


“WHEN CHRIST WHO IS YOUR LIFE WILL APPEAR, YOU WILL ALSO APPEAR WITH HIM IN GLORY!” (Col 3:4)

When Christ, THE UNLIMITED ONE, makes himself known IN YOU, YOU ARE HIM IN YOUR FORM! Because Glory is not a place which is limited by time, or focused on a specific event, GLORY IS THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST! When He is in me, wherever I go He is there because there is no separation or division in the UNLIMITED GOD WHO HAS CHOSEN TO ABIDE (LIVE) IN US BY HIS GRACE AND POWER!

This morning I believe God said to me, "NOW is the time to come out from under the cloud of limitations…….. of seeing separation and division by continuing to see………God “AND”….. IN US!"

"NOW is the time to walk in the NEWNESS OF LIFE, which is HIM IN HIS UNLIMITED-NESS IN US AND AS US!"

AND…… "THEY LIMITED THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL!”

“All of us WHO ARE MATURE (perfect) should take such a view of things. And if on SOME POINT you think differently, that too GOD WILL MAKE CLEAR TO YOU. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.” (Phil 3:15-16)

Is there anything that could grieve HIS HEART more than LIMITING THE UNLIMITED GOD..... IN US?
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I replied
Only just read this this morning.There's a flow going on.What I wanted to post was a kind of Jim Robbins Good and Noble Heart thing (Facebook Group) and the two are related.As follows:
Circumcision is not the same as having your penis cut off...phew!Circumcision of the heart is not the same as a vampiric removal of our whole heart.
Circumcision I now realise is the removal of anything else but SEEING God only! Period.Religion is nothing but a vampiric gameplay, where you are left with no heart at all.Absolutely devoid of passion.
True religion is helping widows and orphans in their distress.But what is that shorthand for....being alive and sensitive to what He wants to do thru us as us in OUR surroundings.Or somewhere else that Jesus specifically puts on our hearts to go to.
This whole thing has got reduced to rattling tins in front of supermarkets.
The other thing that we've completey missed that circumcision means and that you are pointing out...is if we are stripped to seeing God only...then we are stripped back to fully operational status for being able to say our Word of faith uncluttered.Faith operates out of a ... See moreheart that sees only God. One of the graphic OT pictures of all this is Judges 6 and the smashing of the pots.Since the 80s a lot of us have seen this in relationship to "brokenness"; only trouble was this never led anywhere because it became a stultifying fake religious brokenness that was so far from seeing only God. In fact the reality was we were just religious rebels going thru the motions but dying in the wilderness instead of actually going anywhere. Whatsoever is not of faith....that is based rooted and grounded in all things God says I am....is sin. Without (such) faith it is impossible to please God.
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Rich replied
WOW, what you are talking about is where most believers live, move, and have their being (identity), THE DEATH SIDE! We always bear in our bodies HIS DEATH......BUT, there is a time death works it's work, DEATH WORKS LIFE! That is why I love Philippians 3:15-16, the key words "All of us who are mature" All who have passed from death to LIFE! AND... See more WE ALL HAVE! THAT is the amazing part! WE JUST NEED TO SEE THAT THE SPIRIT is THE ONLY WORKER, THE SON IN US, the ONLY WORD, and all of it flowing from the SINGLE thought of the FATHER!>>>>>>>> "THAT THEY MAY BE ONE EVEN AS WE ARE ONE!" AND WE ARE ONE! As soon as we move past the elementary "DO' gospel to seeing this as being already FUlFILLED! WE ARE ONE!

Is Christ Separated?

The need is evidence the SUPPLY IS HERE! NOT vice versa! We have need of Nothing, because The Law of Supply is HIM ONLY IN ALL, AS THE ALL IN ALL, WHO FILLS EVERYTHING IN EVERY WAY!

I call it the LIFE SIDE! Seeing ONLY HIM IN ALL THINGS! And like you pointed out CHRIS, the process of elimination, and moving beyond a philosophy of "eternal brokenness", and behavior and other performanced based doctrines, to HIM IN US AND AS US................And NOW THAT SAME FAITH that raised HIM, working through us to perfrom His Eternal purposes.........and THE MINISTRY of RECONCILING ALL THINGS, PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE to HIM AS HIM! FOR AS HE IS (RIGHT NOW) SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD! (I John 4:17)
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The other thing I was thinking about before reading this was the word contrite....related to the previous brokenness issue.The Lord dwells with a contrite and broken heart.The Lord dwelt with Jesus.Jesus knew no sin. So clearly contrite comprises an element that has to do with sin.....but clearly it has another element that has no relation with sin whatsoever.
In 1980 Jorge Pradas made the shattering statement that there was a stage of "adoration" that made no reference to sin.Jesus did not need sin to be contrite.And this is why your note is so important for it describes this state.People always say "he/she is only human".....implying the mistakes keep us humble. NO, the humility that is embedded throughout Christ's Person keeps us humble.That IS GOD LIFE.It just is so.And without understanding anything about containers etc. the world must necessarily accuse us of the most awful pride....either that or enter into brokenness themselves discovering the Son's Life within them....but the truth is God works all this stuff within us if we only believe His Word.
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Appendix

Bede Griffiths..
I suddenly saw that all the time it was not I who had been seeking God, but God who had been seeking me. I had made myself the centre of my own existence and had my back turned to God. All the beauty and truth which I had discovered had come to me as a reflection of his beauty, but I had kept my eyes on the reflection
and was always looking at myself. But God had brought me to the point at which I was compelled to turn away from the reflection, both of myself and of the world which could only mirror my own image. During that night the mirror had been broken, and I had felt abandoned because I could no longer gaze upon the image of my own reason and the finite world which it knew>God had brought me to my knees and made me acknowledge my own nothingness, and out of that knowledge I had been reborn. I was nolonger the centre of my life and therefore I could see God in everything.
Bede Griffiths, the Golden String Posted on Facebook by Merrill Thompson

Learning to Fly- Pink Floyd,Isaiah and others

Into the distance, a ribbon of black
Stretched to the point of no turning back
A flight of fancy on a windswept field
Standing alone my senses reeled
A fatal attraction holding me fast, how
Can I escape this irresistible grasp?
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted Just an earth-bound misfit, I
Ice is forming on the tips of my wings
Unheeded warnings, I thought I thought of everything
No navigator to guide my way home
Unladened, empty and turned to stone
A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I
Above the planet on a wing and a prayer,
My grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air,
Across the clouds I see my shadow fly
Out of the corner of my watering eye
A dream unthreatened by the morning light
Could blow this soul right through the roof of the night
There's no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, A state of bliss
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit, I

Floyd clip via John Madden on Facebook





Isaiah 40:27Why, O Jacob, do you say, and declare, O Israel, My way and my lot are hidden from the Lord, and my right is passed over without regard from my God?

28Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, does not faint or grow weary; there is no searching of His understanding.

29He gives power to the faint and weary, and to him who has no might He increases strength [causing it to multiply and making it to abound].(I)

30Even youths shall faint and be weary, and [selected] young men shall feebly stumble and fall exhausted;

31But those who wait for the Lord [who expect, look for, and hope in Him] shall change and renew their strength and power; they shall lift their wings and mount up [close to God] as eagles [mount up to the sun]; they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint or become tired.(J)

Francois Du Toit preaches on Meta noia using the other meaning of meta to mean alongside, to join with. I have had it settle in my spirit recently to mean Meta= more than/beyond.
Both are so in greek, but Francois is picking up on the same spirit of revelation...to mean we move outside of our own thoughts and conclusions based on very natural limitation and actual data as read by our senses. This is how i was seeing it when I was doing the Jack Fortenberry animations, particularly video 3. Francois uses it to mean we join up with the mindset of God...which in the Spirit is the same thing. Francois' entire message is here.

The third level is learning how to fly!
Not like Yogic flyers. But getting caught up with God's activities and plans. Francois says "Be careful about your waiting". The word "hw"a(wait upon the Lord) means more than wait, it means intertwine. We multiply our strength in Him. We become a strand intertwined in His rope.
“Wait” in Isaiah 40:31 is the transliteration from the Hebrew hw"q;, which means ‘to twist, or to bind, whence a rope.’ This verse reveals the active nature of intertwining one’s life with the life of God. When intertwining is being done, that person is made strong. He who “waits” (twists his life with God’s) upon the LORD is made strong.

Arise My Butterfly via Megan Anne Fey on Facebook
Break forth from the bonds which
have surrounded you,

and have protected you until this day when
I call you by my Spirit to arise and fly.

To fly with abandonment and
delight in that heavenly
realm for which you were created,

to fly in self abandonment to the delight
and saving of those around you.

For such beauty is hidden until it is my time
to call it forth. You have been transformed.

The old has passed away.

Behold all things have been made new.

He has tried you and you have come forth as gold.

So fly my golden butterfly.

Let the world see the precious gems with which
I have adorned you and shown
the world the beauty
with which none can compare.

For the beauty is none other than that
of my son, who is your life.

By: Chris Dew





Revival reality is another aspect of thirdlevel reality.

I experienced a trailer of this kind of life.....actually many do just after being baptised in the Holy Spirit. But this was not then, this was 6 years later.

There was a positioning by faith.

There is a cost.You step out having nothing other than a rhema (Now Word) Word from God.
Very often there is a lull, where you are tempted to believe you've heard wrong.

Very often the very opposite happens. Others get on with their lives in apparent blessing,
and you sit there with egg on your face. But....just a bit longer.....and it happens....

a door opens onto a manner of life that you could not open for yourself...
you couldn't arrange it.

Time itself appears remoulded.

For me as a 20 year old
I was openly received as a prophet by a family in Northern France

they sucked word out of me.

I was used on the first morning to bring deliverance from lifelong epilepsy to the mother of the family.

The father and I were led to make contacts up and down France. While driving we
heard angelic choirs singing an English chorus in French outside the car.

Everything was provided. Places to stay. Money to eat. Everything had precise timing.
The stay concluded with believing for a place on a full plane.When the place was provided
I experienced the plane vision (vision3)which I have already noted and now included in this animation (No 2).

The third level exists!

Rory and Wendy Gallagher experienced the same arc when they left South Africa for England based entirely on a Word to their spirit. It was many months before they realised what it was about. During this time they came to visit my house.(I say this not because it was related...but that was why I knew about it) Next thing I know they are embarked on one of the biggest projects in the world today. God Channel.

Jesus moved in this realm continually. Here are some pointers. The Father required that at the peak of His popularity, instead of spending more time with people, Jesus withdrew up a hillside. The disciples had already moved on. You can sense the natural tension. Jesus looked as though He'd missed the boat. But spending time with the Father opened a supernatural door, and Jesus literally walked back to the boat on water!
When Lazarus died, the Father required that Jesus stay behind a further 3 days. By this time Martha was hopping mad. This is NOT what you do when friends die. But walking in the Spirit Jesus rather moved into a new level of authority in calling a 3day old dead person back to life.
The Father also had Jesus stick behind when His brothers said in John 7 "Well....are you coming up to the Feast then?" In actual fact the Father eventually had Him go up, but in secret. He took a fresh authoritative position in doing this, because if He'd gone up with His brothers, He'd have been swept up in the "what is expected"..."the comfortable natural way of things" which involves no faith at all. In the end He was used on a wave of prophecy to effectively state that He Himself was the Feast....He was the fulfilment of it. That would have been embarrassing and nearly unforgivable to his unbelieving brothers. There is a pace and walk in God that His own authority upon it.

Hard wired DNA

Don't misunderstand me. I am not claiming Holy Spirit life as a natural thing to my flesh. We all have to choose His Life. But there is something hardwired within my existence which I did not plan ,to do with flying.I was virtually born on a plane...well within a few days was rushed home to Gt Ormond's Street Hospital from Ghana. I was some time learning to walk. Many are. In fact I never did walk. I just stood up in another airport concourse and ran.

When I was baptised in the Spirit a Word was given about " eagle soaring life". And this was only given after obeying the Lord on that day in a specific way. So just as Jesus would sometimes tell a cripple to get up and walk...and the miracle is contingent on someone stepping out and doing the impossible....so our door will open as we hear and obey. Sometimes this gets confused for works, as though we are working for our salvation. But FAITH is expressed through works. Baptism in water does not make you any more saved than the thief on the Cross who recognised Jesus for who He was. There was no way he was going to be baptised. But the reason God instituted baptism was so we could do an action in faith to make that which has been bought for us at such cost our own. These steps of obedience open spiritual doors. That was an aside.

At the time of learning about the third level in 1988, I had a whole download of revelation concerning Israel. It became clear to me why Israel has never been too impressed with the Church. But Romans 9: 11 says they will . "But through their false step and transgression salvation [has come] to the Gentiles, so as to arouse Israel [to see and feel what they forfeited] and so to make them jealous. "

A third level mature church will indeed make them jealous.

We see this picture in the original story of Jacob's sons. The younger one, and normally speaking they were AT THE END OF THE LINE in terms of inheritance.....received the promise of God and was rejected by the older brothers. Joseph underwent a whole process, which Norman Grubb has also described in terms of levels or stages, until he entered fully into his destiny as right hand man to the Pharoah himself. At this point the other brothers returned to him.

Church, the reason Jews are not interested is that the Joseph community - the Church having the gospel of Christ - have not matured into their destiny. We do a "great prison life", but we don't yet do a "ruling Prime Minister" kind of life.


Jews sniff us. While we reek of the independent life we can say or do what we like. We can pray great prayers.Teach great teachings. See great miracles. And show this all on God TV. But the whole thing reeks. And not one has yet eaten of Christ in his or her inward being. This is what is meant by the parable of the 10 virgins.......


It's suddenly time to meet the Bridegroom, and we realise we may have oil. That is a familiarity with the baptism in the Spirit realm. But we haven't got enough of a supply and it's too late to buy some more.

This is the subtle next stage that you never hear in grace preaching.

Everything is by grace. But that does not mean that we are permitted to stay in the realm of the independant self of Genesis 3. We need to buy oil in preparation . This means on a daily basis to appropriate the "exchanged life" that happened at the cross. We have died and we now live by faith in the Son of God. There is no middle ground. We either live from Christ by faith, or by our former delusion of an independent self-driven life....a lie...a phony realm...a fable that was spun in Genesis 3, that we took delight in believing, and still believe in our Christian lives.


Now Jews can smell this. And they have a proverb about it. "A Proverb in the mouth of a fool - that is all our teachings,Christian belief systems, truths about healings- are like a man with no legs."


Church, we need not to be a fool. We need to have discernible spiritual legs. Which are the product of believing the right stuff, and appropriating that stuff every day in our lives. And getting up again when we fall...and not wallowing around in the devil's quicksand.



God has His ways to bring us all to "ground zero". The cross levels us all completely. "For we are all without excuse". But at the foot of the Cross we begin again,rebuilding, but this time in Him.








Additional notes:The use of "Virgin Flight" is purely allegorical and does not relate to the real world brand. This is not a straight prophecy on a geographical level.Prophecies concerning the Earth are laid out throughout the Bible. This is a prophetic picture of the Third level. When like David, anointed yet chased round a desert, then made King, then falling into adultery, then trying to hide his adultery....finally after the Nathan's finger finds him....He discovers the key of David. He discovers Ground Zero. He discovers total unmerited grace. He is rebuilt.
And at that level, and only in that place, Jew meets Gentile,Arab meets Jew.All denominations and non-denominations meet each other....because there is only One Name left to meet in....all other reputation has come to nought. "And of the twain He has made ONE NEW MAN" in Christ Jesus. The whole of history, like falling dominos, is left with its mouth unstopped before a holy God who has provided for us - every single nation - the Perfect Requirement - His Son. Last track of Early Harvest Double CD recorded mainly 1990-91 entitled Airplane 7 Day of Atonement/Day of Fusion (Psalm 149) Produced by A.Christopher Welch and John Daniels. Engineered by John Daniels. Instruments: John Graham,Andy Smith,Nick Beggs,AC Welch.Heather Williamson,John Daniels.Vocals and Jew Helen Burgess,AC Welch. Air Hostess:Tami Daniels.