Showing posts with label Hiding behind ministry titles. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hiding behind ministry titles. Show all posts
Monday, 10 July 2017
Handicapped and Proud of it
.....people who preach the whole message get sidelined for being heretics.
No.... sucking pacifiers and eating rusks your whole life is heretical! 20 year old babies get named handicapped.
What we have in the Earth isn't Jesus Bride. No after 2000 years we have a super large handicapped baby.
To a Facebook friend
Sheldon I don't care who does it but some apostolic figure somewhere needs to hold the whole church accountable to the Gates message and stop being so ridiculously divided. Evangelicals own Gates 1-5 but despise any further ones. Charismatics try to pretend Gates 3,4 and 5 don't exist and so they preach a warped 6 and 7 Gate centric message missing huge parts of the gospel and the whole of the baby world church doesn't really enter into any of the thirdlevel ones 8,9,10,11 and 12.
It's crazy and the utmost in stupidity. And people who preach the whole message get sidelined for being heretics. No.... sucking pacifiers and eating rusks your whole life is heretical. 20 year old babies get named handicapped.
What we have in the Earth isn't Jesus Bride. No after 2000 years we have a super large handicapped baby.
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The Church pay for mannequins to stand in shop windows for 10% tithe income. Mannequins don't have SEED but the sex is a lot quieter, controllable and seemly.
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God speaking about His true people
My people are hidden beyond the lattice. They have gone out to join the bridegroom who was beyond the lattice.
My beloved is like a gazelle or a young stag.
Behold, he is standing behind our wall,
He is looking through the windows,
He is peering through the lattice.
To a people still looking through grid systems, my people can hardly be discerned, but are hidden. Deliberately.
My people are hidden by a rock of offense, by apparent shame.
Moses slew an Egyptian and had to flee.
Jesus was hidden by apparent though not real shame and was considered a bastard.
Peter addressed the first ever church in the first ever sermon by a Rock of offense.....This Jesus whom you crucified....and 3000 left their offense that day and joined the Way.
Paul was hidden by his shame. Having been instrumental in the death of one of the loveliest first saints and evangelists, namely Stephen, as a new convert nobody would receive him or quite believe what God was doing with him.
Many today are hidden by their own paths into the thirdlevel.
When I spoke through My Son and said "You shall not see Me again until you say blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord"
I spoke of the true Son of Man.
You shall not see Me again until you recognise
as Peter recognised,
the existence of the Son of Man in a lowly ex -carpenter...
on such moments of recognition is the Rock of My Church
as at the foundation in Acts 2
as at those who received Paul and My doctrine in him.
I hide, by apparent shame, and by the earthly lattice, My Son, then in turn My people who are called after His Name
sufficiently long for them to be established in Me and I in them.
Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord
and His Name is Emmanuel, God with us.
Blessed are those who preach
and blessed are those whose feet is shod with the gospel of peace.
Sunday, 17 May 2009
The Conference - 09- Crowned with His glory
Nutshell report to Lydia Joy and Shawna. (This discussion originated with a report on Shawna's husband Brian who has been preaching a series on grace).
I wrote:I guess I will be sharing stuff...how do you put the Presence of God into words?The main thing in a nutshell is this.The Body of Christ is moving out of one whole time period into another one.Obviously I am calling it the 3rd level. But I am adding to my revelation as fast as anyone else.
This area of knowing the Father is growing and growing.Beginning as a whisper, it is growing louder and louder as a message...now more like a roar!!Basically us humans ,we have been lied to for thousands of years as to how good the Father is....and how complete the provision of the Cross to completely....yes completely...remove the last shreds of shame from every fibre of our being. This has the most enormous ramifications on how we live life.How we worship. How we move in power to set others free. The fact is, if people are not excited right now, then the message has not penetrated yet.
In a previous post which I cannot find, I related sadly how one brother had left to join what he thought was a faster growing network. I wrote that at that time I could not share with him. He would just have to experience for himself how people go in the revolving door of 2nd leveldom, as people come in large number, but many others go straight out the other side. Mostly this is put down to people "not being up to the challenges of the gospel". But my take is that the reality of the revelation of Christ in Us as Us just isn't taught. And trying to do the Christian life yourself is a ticket to a breakdown!!!! (Peter Jackson said American stats show that 90% of those having breakdowns are religious.) Well. Now this brother is back. And he just totally gets it. I can now talk to him. He describes learning he has a relationship with the Father as being born again again. Not only can I speak to him quite freely - in the conference I was even able to share how beforehand whenever I was about to relate stuff , even before saying anything I could feel the words dribbling down my clothing onto the floor.
His whole bearing is different. He is not agressive. His spirit is lovely. He is so changed and in so little a time. What a great thing to report back having only wrote about him in an earlier blog. ie only a year ago.
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Lydia Joy wrote:
You are fortunate to have a great church fellowship, not all of us have that you know!!!
I replied:
Seriously, our mandate is to plant and /or midwife them.Peter is already doing it in Paduka and Chicago.A whole bunch were so impressed at what God did in the last visit , (actually some from the Spanish contingent of Chicago New Life church,) they came over on the plane for this conference.
We are a weird church. Almost unknown, yet it is packed to the rafters with the most amazing
mothers/fathers to be...or now are...in God. We have one of the chief people of Lydia international women's prayer movement for example.
She's called Molly Osbourne.But you wouldn't know she was there. The thrust of the final session was about how ministries are totally changing to reflect this new pattern.
The mother/father aspect that I've been explaining in Third level view of ministryseries ....now already is appearing and increasingly will be. People like Rolland and Heidi Baker for instance.A lady called Chris , as well as Peter were explaining the "apparent delay" in our vision coming to pass. God Himself has held this vision in chains in heaven.Why? Because He has been preparing Father/mother ministries the world over. It's all on a totally different level to anything we have seen before.
They were explaining the total frustration our generation all feel. We don't fit in to past ministry patterns. There is nowhere for us. (I absolutely feel this. I wonder if George Warnock, pretty much a godfather to all of us,felt similarly.)For many this has led to bitterness. But if we can raise our vision, we can understand the timing of God. And what hastens the timing of God is to connect primarily with Him in intimacy. (As Heidi Baker shares.) Then we do precisely what He is instructing us to do. We nolonger hide behind ministry titles as in Tom the Sheriff. We are free to be simply Christ as us.
In preparation for this, for years and years Peter has (without any verbal reference to this pattern) been like Graham Pulkingham and taken teams of 1,2,8,10, with him on his ministry trips. He recognizes that the corporate anointing is stronger than his own anointing, but secondly that what God wants to birth is Body ministry in each locality....and not just the big fire-starter superstars of yesteryear. By taking this model from the outset, you make it clear from the word go how things operate. And ofcourse it was Jesus' pattern too!
The conference has only just finished and the reverberations of what actually took place are too early to begin to relay. Christine was profoundly,profoundly touched as were most in yesterday morning's sessions.
A Toronto leader , Peter Jackson's ministry can be described as your own personal "Shack" meeting with the Father. It is gruelling as it was in the book, but it leads to freedom.I was juggling looking after Ben with Christine and missed this particular session, but CDs of the whole thing are available.
The praise and worship was like this:
A sister church came alongside us to lead. Their style is the praise band style, but with an incredible anointing. Our young people loved them. But both teams operated in tandem - prophetically as God directed. Thursday made me want to write a poem called "The Church at the End of Time"...which I've not done yet. I was totally broken by the Spirit -force in the praise.Like a roar- like the one in 1975 Thy Kingdom Come tape of the Kansas City Shepherd's Conference. Except there were not 5000 of us , but only a hundred. So I can only think we had some assistance.
Friday night worship was like "the Body of Christ moving its headquarters to its rightful place - the Throne of God." All these are feeble attempts to explain the electricity of God's Presence.
The final worship session was like God crowning His people with His glory.
Although it was not verbalised, the whole conference ran in the order of the first 5 verses of Isaiah 55"Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of fare.
3 Give ear and come to me; hear me, that your soul may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has crowned you with glory."
I saw Peter Stott at a final barbecue, and he was at one point just slumped on the chair, just drunk/ in tears at the beauty of what God is building here. He could hardly speak.
I wrote:I guess I will be sharing stuff...how do you put the Presence of God into words?The main thing in a nutshell is this.The Body of Christ is moving out of one whole time period into another one.Obviously I am calling it the 3rd level. But I am adding to my revelation as fast as anyone else.
This area of knowing the Father is growing and growing.Beginning as a whisper, it is growing louder and louder as a message...now more like a roar!!Basically us humans ,we have been lied to for thousands of years as to how good the Father is....and how complete the provision of the Cross to completely....yes completely...remove the last shreds of shame from every fibre of our being. This has the most enormous ramifications on how we live life.How we worship. How we move in power to set others free. The fact is, if people are not excited right now, then the message has not penetrated yet.
In a previous post which I cannot find, I related sadly how one brother had left to join what he thought was a faster growing network. I wrote that at that time I could not share with him. He would just have to experience for himself how people go in the revolving door of 2nd leveldom, as people come in large number, but many others go straight out the other side. Mostly this is put down to people "not being up to the challenges of the gospel". But my take is that the reality of the revelation of Christ in Us as Us just isn't taught. And trying to do the Christian life yourself is a ticket to a breakdown!!!! (Peter Jackson said American stats show that 90% of those having breakdowns are religious.) Well. Now this brother is back. And he just totally gets it. I can now talk to him. He describes learning he has a relationship with the Father as being born again again. Not only can I speak to him quite freely - in the conference I was even able to share how beforehand whenever I was about to relate stuff , even before saying anything I could feel the words dribbling down my clothing onto the floor.
His whole bearing is different. He is not agressive. His spirit is lovely. He is so changed and in so little a time. What a great thing to report back having only wrote about him in an earlier blog. ie only a year ago.
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Lydia Joy wrote:
You are fortunate to have a great church fellowship, not all of us have that you know!!!
I replied:
Seriously, our mandate is to plant and /or midwife them.Peter is already doing it in Paduka and Chicago.A whole bunch were so impressed at what God did in the last visit , (actually some from the Spanish contingent of Chicago New Life church,) they came over on the plane for this conference.
We are a weird church. Almost unknown, yet it is packed to the rafters with the most amazing
mothers/fathers to be...or now are...in God. We have one of the chief people of Lydia international women's prayer movement for example.
She's called Molly Osbourne.But you wouldn't know she was there. The thrust of the final session was about how ministries are totally changing to reflect this new pattern.
The mother/father aspect that I've been explaining in Third level view of ministryseries ....now already is appearing and increasingly will be. People like Rolland and Heidi Baker for instance.A lady called Chris , as well as Peter were explaining the "apparent delay" in our vision coming to pass. God Himself has held this vision in chains in heaven.Why? Because He has been preparing Father/mother ministries the world over. It's all on a totally different level to anything we have seen before.
They were explaining the total frustration our generation all feel. We don't fit in to past ministry patterns. There is nowhere for us. (I absolutely feel this. I wonder if George Warnock, pretty much a godfather to all of us,felt similarly.)For many this has led to bitterness. But if we can raise our vision, we can understand the timing of God. And what hastens the timing of God is to connect primarily with Him in intimacy. (As Heidi Baker shares.) Then we do precisely what He is instructing us to do. We nolonger hide behind ministry titles as in Tom the Sheriff. We are free to be simply Christ as us.
In preparation for this, for years and years Peter has (without any verbal reference to this pattern) been like Graham Pulkingham and taken teams of 1,2,8,10, with him on his ministry trips. He recognizes that the corporate anointing is stronger than his own anointing, but secondly that what God wants to birth is Body ministry in each locality....and not just the big fire-starter superstars of yesteryear. By taking this model from the outset, you make it clear from the word go how things operate. And ofcourse it was Jesus' pattern too!
The conference has only just finished and the reverberations of what actually took place are too early to begin to relay. Christine was profoundly,profoundly touched as were most in yesterday morning's sessions.
A Toronto leader , Peter Jackson's ministry can be described as your own personal "Shack" meeting with the Father. It is gruelling as it was in the book, but it leads to freedom.I was juggling looking after Ben with Christine and missed this particular session, but CDs of the whole thing are available.
The praise and worship was like this:
A sister church came alongside us to lead. Their style is the praise band style, but with an incredible anointing. Our young people loved them. But both teams operated in tandem - prophetically as God directed. Thursday made me want to write a poem called "The Church at the End of Time"...which I've not done yet. I was totally broken by the Spirit -force in the praise.Like a roar- like the one in 1975 Thy Kingdom Come tape of the Kansas City Shepherd's Conference. Except there were not 5000 of us , but only a hundred. So I can only think we had some assistance.
Friday night worship was like "the Body of Christ moving its headquarters to its rightful place - the Throne of God." All these are feeble attempts to explain the electricity of God's Presence.
The final worship session was like God crowning His people with His glory.
Although it was not verbalised, the whole conference ran in the order of the first 5 verses of Isaiah 55"Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread, and your labor on what does not satisfy? Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of fare.
3 Give ear and come to me; hear me, that your soul may live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of the LORD your God, the Holy One of Israel, for he has crowned you with glory."
I saw Peter Stott at a final barbecue, and he was at one point just slumped on the chair, just drunk/ in tears at the beauty of what God is building here. He could hardly speak.
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