The Church is not divided,it is immature

The Church of Jesus Christ is not divided. It is immature, so just as children and teenagers doesn't really know how to fully function outside their  own family,Paul said I could not address you as mature because each one says I am of such and such. 

• Now teachers traditionally do not know how to move in the Spirit.

•  Lovers traditionally can't do doctrine to save their lives, but they know about hospitality. 

• Prophets don't do every day life that well. 

•  Discerners of spirits see drives in people that nobody has a clue about until Swaggart falls in adultery and causes fallout in the whole of TV evangelism.

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  Administrators like St James very nearly, if uncorrected, administrate the life out of the church in Jerusalem. St Paul was used to help break this fascism apart. 

  How about the different groupings then?

  • Methodists need to learn the gospel. 

  • Anglicans need to learn how the Living Body of Christ works. 

  • Plymouth Brethren haven't a clue about living in the life side of the Cross and so even when Christ isn't doing it, still impose law on all their members about relating with unbelievers.

  • Catholics need to learn that they weren't the first church, but are a complete abberration from the sort of church in the catacombs. 

  • Charismatics need to understand their own gospel stops in Romans 5 and they need, like the early teachers that St Paul instructs, to learn the rest of it.

  
  

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Denominations are us wearing our heart on our sleeves.

Much has been written on the subject of denominations.

George Tarleton wrote the small book "Forgive us our denominations" (as we forgive those who denominate against us)

There was the Holy Spirit wisdom picture describing how instead of trying to link puddles together in a farmyard, really all that was necessary was more rain. The abundance of rainfall would then cause all small puddles to bleed together into one large pond.

I wrote to Stephen Hand, a Catholic blog writer and encourager of home schooling,apart from a few denominational people, and only a few of those proportionately, which Christian or non-Christian for that matter goes into a Christian bookshop and chooses their book by denominational tag.

Most choose by subject or author.

Who goes into a bookstore and buys a Dietrich Bonhoeffer book because he is Lutheran?

Who buys a Richard Wurmbrand book because he is Baptist?

Who even buys a Mother Teresa book to learn Catholicism?

Who even really knows or cares what denomination or not was Watchman Nee?

Who asks " Can I have something by the Lutheran Basilea Schlink?" Most outside Germany wouldn't know she was Lutheran, or even care.

By the time somebody is a 3rd leveller, the mature level described by John as the Father level in 1 John 2......WHO FRICKIN' CARES what denomination they came from ?

In this way, denominations are irrelevant. By the time God has marked His New Covenant right across someone's heart in indelible Christ Red Blood.....who is going to give much room to any label save Christ's own labelling?

So, let's work backwards. What if we dismantle all denominations? Well, can I say that us Jesus people had a mighty good go at that in the 1970s's.

But the denominations or NON label Labels still littered our landscape as fissures in the Body of Christ.

So what's going on? Most of us realise denominational banding cannot be supported by scripture. Most of us realise that they are one of the main totems to an unbelieving world that Christ cannot build His own Body here on earth....or worse still, doesn't exist at all!

Except Christ does exist. Has always existed. And continues to build His Body superbly, and ever consistantly the world over. In fact He called it the leaven of the Kingdom.

So what then are denominations? Simply this. The outer wall projections of our own divided hearts. They are the screenings of our own inner graffiti that is talked about in the Bible in Ezekiel 8:10.

You can no more dismantle a denomination, than a cinema goer can remove a film by simply punching a hole in a film screen. The light from the projector still screens the film on the next available surface.

Some more background on London in the 1970s House Church Movement

Would that there were more full-orbed accounts like this one, systematically laid out for all to read. This is Barbara's story from incubator onwards and is absorbing at all levels. This section is taken from chapter 13, (they are laid out in reverse order down the page.) Chapter 13 describes the excitement we were all feeling as we caught the vision that church was about sharing our lives together at all levels. The London leaders she does not name are the ones that came out to places like Amersham to share some of the new principles they were learning. Groups from our renewed Baptist church used to ride out to the Friends meeting House meetings and later, as it grew, the Albert Hall. Exciting days.


But just like Dan Bowen shares in some of the material concerning the later years of Ern and Ruth Baxter, there are always background stories, and actually these turn out to be the real stories! Because it is in the reality....the gritty scarcely shared realities, that God's grace meets us.


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I believe that there are times and seasons in our journey through life and none more than the journey that God takes us on. My desire for finding a church that was something more than a Sunday plus one weekly meeting, coincided with the great changes at our Christian Rehabilitation centre that I wrote about in the last chapter.A few of us involved in the centre had begun meeting in one of our homes for fellowship and worship and Bible study and we were also able to include any of the residents who wished to join us. These residents often felt that they did not fit in with a traditional church setting but they felt at ease in the relaxed atmosphere of a home environment.I was in this situation and seeking God for the way ahead when I happened to go to one of our local ‘All Saints’ meetings. These were once a month Saturday evening gatherings of people from many different churches and there would always be a visiting speaker. On this particular evening I was particularly moved by the speaker, let’s call him James, who spoke on ‘Forgive us our Denominations’. It was also the time when the Christian production ‘Come Together’ with Jimmy Owens and Pat Boone was showing in London. A choir was being formed in my area to put this show on locally. It consisted of Dance, Drama and Music with a theme of bringing Christians from all denominations together for worship. I had ‘signed up’ for this choir and when attending my first rehearsal I found that James was involved, and not only that, he lived in my local area. I just knew that I had to go and visit him.On arrival I was invited in and made welcome. I found that James was one of a group of Apostolic men around the country who were pioneering New Testament style house churches. At that time there were about 30 people meeting together in my area and they were all living in close proximity and sharing life as a community. I am not talking of a commune but a community, the whole ethos being to share our lives and live out our faith together on a daily basis. In other words a New Testament church. This sounded like the fulfilment of all my dreams and desires, committed Christians with the same vision living together not only to share their lives, but to be a light in the local wider community.Having sat and talked the whole afternoon through, it became obvious that we were on the same wave length and James and his wife invited us to dinner. Alan was still not a Christian at this time and his first reaction was, ‘Who are you getting involved with now?’ However he was intrigued enough to find out and accepted the invitation. He was so moved by the reality he saw and the living out of faith 24/7 that within days he had accepted Christ as his Saviour and was soon baptised in water. Fifteen years of prayer had been answered and we knew that God had led us to this place.So what happened to the others that had been meeting with us in the home group that we had recently formed? There was another group that was a part of this fellowship living and meeting in the centre of town, and as the others lived nearer to them, they joined in with them and we disbanded our little group.As for Alan and I, we duly sold our house and bought a house in the midst of our new fellowship. Although we were only a little over a mile away we wanted to be close enough to live as part of the community. We lived in that particular house for 2 years when we moved again to live in a larger house next door to James. At the time we had thought we would not be able to afford the fee for a survey on the house. We prayed about this and the very next day there was a cheque in the post for the exact amount. A young girl from Norway who had been staying with us had received a bonus cheque from work when she arrived home. She had asked God what she was meant to do with it and He told her to send it to us. It was a real challenge as this house needed so much work doing to it that it took us 10 years to fully complete. It had an extension that was basically a shell on top of the work in the existing house, but as we were sure that God was leading us in this we knew that we could trust Him. We did get a lot of practical help in getting the work done and there was a valid reason for us moving to this larger house.Since becoming involved in the Fellowship we had become the church hospitality house. This was not something that was planned, it just happened. From being asked to have a couple of guys from Holland to stay with us in our original house, we found that this was something that we enjoyed, offering hospitality and caring for people in our home. Our gifts are from God and He places us on our journey just where He wants us. As the fellowship grew, many people would come and stay with us from this country and other countries in Europe and also the U.S.A.Most of the people who stayed had come to experience this kind of living as they were part of a similar pioneering set-up, or they just wanted to fellowship with other like minded believers. We also had leaders and preachers and speakers who had come to minister to us also.As well as this aspect of hospitality, as the fellowship grew there were always quite a number of single people needing accommodation, so we would always have a long term guest living as part of the family, as did many of the other homes. Our children grew up never knowing who was going to be in the house when they woke up, and sometimes even who would be sharing their room. Some people would stay for a night and others for weeks depending on their reason for being here. Sometimes new guests would be arriving before others had left. There were times before we moved to a larger house when Alan and I would be sleeping in bunk beds and our children on the floor. Even when God moved us on into various ministries we still ran an open home.Over the years we made close friends with some of the people who stayed in our home and there were those who invited us back to their home, giving ourselves and our children many new and exciting experiences and visits. I counted up recently the names in our visitor’s book and to date there have been 561 entries. Not 561 people as some came more than once, but the number of entries. That’s a lot of beds to make, linen to wash and meals to prepare. Won’t it be fun when we meet all those people in heaven though, and we know our lives were and are greatly enriched by every single visitor, even the difficult ones. So, having people stay in our home really did become a ministry in itself. Not that we thought of it as that, we just enjoyed meeting and getting to know people.This was the time of the House Church Movement worldwide and as our Fellowship grew over the years we had to break down into smaller home groups while meeting altogether on a Sunday in a local hall. We also met once a month with the other Fellowships in the wider area. On a national basis we would hire the Royal Albert Hall in London for occasional gatherings. On a daily basis we helped each other in whatever way was needed, financial, looking after each others children, women shopping together etc. and we would regularly eat dinner with each other, not to mention the children’s sleep overs. We were one big family living in different houses but all close together and many in the same street.We had started our own home school and I taught Home Economics to the older children, the class being run in my home. Today incidentally this school is a large thriving Christian School that caters for children over a very large area. Life should have been ideal and I am sure that for many it was, but for me I was living a lie although I did not really know it at the time. I still felt a failure, still suffered panic attacks, anxiety and depression. Yes, God had brought me through the drug withdrawal but I still was not healed, even though I went to every healing service that I heard of. God still had lots more to teach me and true healing, I believe, starts on the inside. What is the point of feeling better emotionally and still not understanding how to live in God’s presence?There were times when having smiled and said all the right things to our guests before they left the house I would be in a heap as soon as they had gone. Some days I was terrified of Alan going to work and leaving me alone. There were also times when I was afraid to walk further than the end of my road. I would go into town and almost immediately have to come home. Travelling any distance from home became a nightmare.I knew that something was not right. God had wrought a measure of healing in my life and I now know that He wanted it to be real and lasting and not a quick fix. He was keeping me in a place where I needed to rely on Him. He was building me into the person that He wanted. He is in control of the journey, He knows the beginning from the end, but I did not really know that then like I do now. To me if felt like nothing had changed except that I became more frantic as I tried to reconcile the reality of my life with what I believed to be the truth of the Gospel, Peace, Joy, liberation etc. So what did I do? I just got more involved, did more, including being a part of ‘Bind Us Together’ a follow on production from ‘Come Together’.Eventually I came to a place where I felt that nothing worked, God did not care, it was just too hard to go on living. As you may have guessed, God knew differently and He had His ways of bringing me through this. Did He do it in one miraculous wave of a wand, no, He knows what is best for each one of us and continues to change us from Glory to Glory one degree at a time, as the Bible tells us.