Oliver Bob Reyes Lagumen Facebook (You can read Oliver Bob's earlier experience here)
Time check is 6:24 A.M. but at dawn today the Lord woke me up with a message. And the message is Revelation 12. He reminded me how that in my ASCENSION EXPERIENCE, i was one with the power of the Sun, I went to pray where I was laying down and finally went out of the house.
Before I went out the house, I was just meditating in my bed and he revealed to me everything that I needed to know at the time. He verified that in this experience, how that I was indeed one with the power of the Sun and the glory of the universe.
Now, this is what the Father has unveiled: Logos-consciousness has revealed to me that the book of Revelation is the book of identification. Indeed it is the book of manifestation, because it is the book of identification. The Spirit of The Word revealed to me that anyone who DO NOT WISH TO IDENTIFY himself with "THE WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN", can not be identified with THE MANCHILD ON THE THRONE!
Anyone who will not be identified with the weakness of that woman, can not be identified with her strength. Anyone who refuses her Son, the Sun of righteousness, can not be identified with the Healing in her wings, and anyone who will not embrace her as God's wife, can not be identified with the Holy City (her children).
The mind of God revealed to me that she is the MOTHER LOGOS, the soul of creation, even the mother of creation! She is your soul restored into glory. She is you. When God made man in his image after his likeness, she consulted her within himself and man came into being, in fact none in creation came out into existence without being begotten from within her womb!
I have experienced all of her wonders in my ASCENSION EXPERIENCE and behold she is coming down out of heaven from God and from the throne of Godship to INHABIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD in the glory of the Father!
So now, I am seeing myself in THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE OF REVELATION 12!
Time-check is 6:50 A.M.
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Chris Welch Now you understand why the devil wanted to rip that little Thread of ours apart, for without this firm belief and understanding we bring forth the wind. Instead the devil like a serpent waits anxiously at the birthplace to chase after the Manchild. He waited anxiously trying to kill Moses the first Deliverer. And all those babies died.
He waited upon the birth of the True Deliverer Jesus and tried to slaughter Him too. And all those babies in Ramah made it a place of weeping. And in every country on earth he is doing his best to kill babies in abortion and reduce the population lest we ever be strong numerically and spiritually and finish the job that was lacking in the afflictions of Christ and dispatch him off the face of the earth.
Chris Welch continues
The writing that OLB has just posted is SO KEY. It is our distinctive. Maybe some of you haven't got to this point. Well we are not saying these things to be special, we are saying these things to define where the power of our believing needs to be.
You can be a Union believer, believing in the Exchanged Life at the Cross, but there is something more here. This is how St Paul expressed it, and it is the distinct message that Daniel Yordy, now Oliver Bob Reyes Lagumen , Annalize Mouton, myself, Rich Novek and many others now believe. "so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places".
Many believe the word of Paul here but they don't believe the specificity of either our exchanged life, that is Christ our only Life, nor that there could ever be a church who lived that out corporately. Revelation 12 says quite clearly it is so. She is like the SUN because such a community now has Christ Consciousness by virtue of the Cross in HER SOUL. We are nolonger like the moon "reflecting the light of the sun", we are the Son in the Earth. "As He is so are we in the Earth."
We nolonger live in separation,ln a Genesis 3 world believing we have a separate life. No such separate life ever existed....truly it was always satan's own empowering in such a masquerading daily form none of us noticed...but it affected in some way everything we felt, everything we thought, how we acted and how we spoke!!!! So not much then?LOL
But this Revelation 12 SUN is not me. Is not you. It's US. It's a New thing in the Earth. It's a woman covering/ giving birth to a MANCHILD. This dual REALITY is the CHURCH in the earth.
Now some LOCAL PRACTICS.....that need to be spoken.
IN 1976 in a cowshed in the Dales, outside Harrogate a people specified before God that they were this MARY....THIS SUN...THIS WOMAN...and solemnly before God and the particular called apostle of God, Ern Baxter....that we may, like Mary not understand it, but we said yes to the Holy Spirit....BE IT UNTO ME ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD. And on that pure foundation many hundreds of fellowships and churches spawned. LOCALLY....we have two such churches.
The Apostle Jorge Pradas spoke the same "specificity" over a charismatic prayer meeting and said...What are you? A Fellowship or the Church of the Living God.
A fellowship can mean anything. Take it or leave it. You can be adulterous. In, out, like some kind of bigamous marriage....OR you can be the CHURCH of the Living God. The sad thing about Emsworth Church is they NEVER had defined teaching on WHO THEY WERE as individuals. And eventually, a bit like the church of Galatians they became more and more nebulous in the specificity of their believing, and then renamed themselves NEW LIFE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, but not necessarily continuing in their inner believing as to what their identity was.
I then attended Havant Church for 12 years, but they too would not be pegged down according to who the Bible says they are.
Without BOTH specificities of believing Revelation CANNOT OCCUR. We give birth to the wind. Our sons and daughters leave. Like Israel we become just an empty shell, infrastructure and a name, but not having the POWER TO BRING FORTH.
Here is the magic that St Paul found.
A People who believe in their new identity in Christ.
A People who believe in their NEW IDENTITY...not as a human club...But the Revelation 12 Vison of the Church....the new thing...the woman covering a man or manchild....HAS the ability within Herself to bring Jesus forth. However i looks to the natural eyes. Jesus being born out the backside of a very busy inn, in a stable, in a cow trough didn't look any more promising than today's church of active believing saints....being born here and now on Facebook of all places and many other weird places on earth. (One such recent birthplace was a mafia style controller of pimps and prostitutes in Reykjavik Iceland suddenly waking for nights afraid for his own soul and then a church formed round him).....
The other things aren't really churches....they may even be baptised in the Spirit...but they are not believing what the Bible says about them, nor believing what the Bible is saying about how a true church functions....so they reap the wind. They may sell Cds, Conferences, may have healings like Aladdin rubbing their lamps, but they don't have SUN consciousness, they still have moon separation consciousness, and anyone living with them can see it. So they reap the wind. Their children leave them "for other nations".
CHAPTER 10 - TABERNACLES - THE FEAST OF INGATHERING
And the Feast of
Ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labors out of
the field" (Ex. 23:16).
If the Passover was wonderful--and it certainly
was--how much more wonderful shall we expect Pentecost to be in its fullness? And if
Pentecost is wonderful, how much more shall we expect Tabernacles to exceed it in glory?
In the Passover we have but the Sheaf of Firstfruits by way of harvest, and not the
harvest itself. But Pentecost was the harvest. And what a tremendous harvest there was!
And so now the Feast of Ingathering must far surpass Pentecost, even as Pentecost
surpassed the harvest of the Sheaf of Firstfruits.
A GREAT ECLIPSE
The Cross and Pentecost--this was but the dawning of
the great Day of the Church. That Day has already extended some nineteen hundred years and
more, and the sun rises higher and higher and higher in the heavens of God's eternal
purpose. We are not inferring that the glory of the Sun continued to grow more brilliant
as it rose in the sky. It should have done so, but through the disobedience of the reapers
the sun was darkened, and the moon (even the Church) did not give her light. The history
of the Church is a history of darkness and sorrow and bitterness. What happened? Did the
Sun of Righteousness set in the heavens, and was the Church swallowed up in defeat? Ah no!
It was not the setting of the Sun, but it was a great eclipse that caused the darkness,
even the eclipse of the Dark Ages.
First there was the eclipse of the moon, the Church.
In her circuit about the heavens she was caught in the shadow of the earth, and the
corruption of the earth transformed her beautiful glow into blood and sorrow. And then
there was the eclipse of the Sun. The apostate Church in her circuit obscured the glory of
the Sun, so that earth-dwellers witnessed the eclipse of Truth himself. Truth perished
from the earth; and joy withered away from the sons of men. Hence the Dark Ages! A few
godly saints were left, for God has always had His believing remnant; and how they must
have thought the Sun had set forever upon the once-glorious Church! But no! It was just an
eclipse, and in due course--according to Divine pattern, the moon began once again to take
on her celestial glow, and the Sun began to shine brilliantly in the heavens of the Church
Age. The Reformation had started. Light began to dawn upon the darkened understandings of
men, and truth began to be restored to the Church. And the Reformation has not ended by
any means. Indeed, it too seems to have gone into partial eclipse. But rays of promise are
again breaking forth from the heavens. "The darkness is passing away, and the true
light now shineth" (1 Jn. 2:8, Literal).
"Who is she that looketh forth as the morning,
fair as the moon, clear as the sun, and terrible as an army with banners?" (Song
6:10). She is the group known as the overcomers. She is the "undefiled,"
"the choice one of her that bare her." As we mentioned before, there are many,
many groups in the Church, according to God's plan and purpose; and we are not attempting
to make any particular distinction between them. "There are threescore queens, and
fourscore concubines, and virgins without number. My dove, my undefiled is but one"
(Song 6:9). There is a place for all God's people in His great House; but shall we not
seek after that intimate place of fellowship and communion with Him in the very
"secret place of the Most High?" Says Paul, "In a great house there are not
only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and
some to dishonor..." All the saints have a place in God's Church; but one company
receiveth the highest prize. The challenge is therefore thrown out to the saints
everywhere, to rid themselves of the corrupting influences of the flesh and of the
natural, and to diligently seek the things of the Spirit of God. "If a man therefore
purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the
master's use, and prepared unto every good work" (2 Tim. 2:20, 21).
THE CHURCH, THE GARDEN OF GOD
Jesus testified, "I am the true vine, and my
Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and
every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth (pruneth) it, that it may bring forth more
fruit" (Jn. 15:1, 2). The Church, the Garden of God! Surely this truth alone is
sufficient to establish the fact that the Church's day must end in great fertility and
unparalleled prosperity. If we constitute God's Garden, then nothing shall prevent the
great Husbandman from bringing His heritage to abundance and fruition. It is His
responsibility to look after it, and to see that it brings forth a harvest for His glory.
"For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will
make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the Garden of the LORD;
joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody" (Isa.
51:3).
God always brings light out of darkness, life out of
death, joy out of sorrow, strength out of weakness, and fruition out of barrenness. We can
rejoice, therefore, as we see the desolation of Zion, knowing that her "desert"
shall become like the very Garden of the Lord. "The wilderness and the solitary place
shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall
blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing..." (Isa. 35:1, 2).
WINDS OF JUDGMENT AND BLESSING
"A garden enclosed is my sister, my spouse; a
spring shut up, a fountain sealed... Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon
my garden, that the spices there of may flow out" (Song 4:12, 16). Both winds are
necessary for God's Garden: the blighting cold wind of the north to test and try the
saints; and the warm breezes from the south, to bring forth the fragrance of the Spirit.
We can be thankful, then, that in all the strife and bitterness of the Church's history,
God's sovereign purposes have been fulfilled. For God has reserved the time of the
"south wind" until now. "For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and
gone; the flowers appear on the earth" (Song 2:11, 12).
THE LATTER RAIN
We are looking forward with anticipation for the
coming of the promised "latter rain." The saints of God are thirsting for these
living streams from heaven. But how little do we realize that God is more anxious for the
"latter rain" than we are! And why? Because He is the Gardener; and He is
waiting for the Feast of Ingathering, when He might gather in the precious produce.
"Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long
patience for it, until he (it) receive the early and latter rain" (Jas. 5:7). God is
waiting for the hour when He shall bestow His latter rain, just as anxiously--and even
more patiently--than we are. James says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the
coming of the Lord," for in a very real sense the coming of the latter rain
is the coming of the Lord into the midst of His people. That is exactly what the prophet
Hosea declared: "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going
forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain,
as the latter and former rain unto the earth" (Hos. 6:3). The time is at hand when we
may with all confidence expect the latter rain, for this is the last day, and God's
triumphant Church must be a glorious Church. However, it is not only the latter rain for
which we are looking, but the latter and former rain! What does this
mean?
JOEL'S PROPHECY
Let us refer to Joel's prophecy concerning the
former and the latter rain. This refers to the seed rain and the harvest rain.
God promised that His people should have both in due season as they walked in His ways:
"The first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy
wine, and thine oil" (Deut. 11:14). This is what James was referring to, and it is
that which Joel prophesied about:
"Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice
in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause
to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in
the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with
wine and oil" (Joel 2:23, 24).
Of course, this passage did have a partial
fulfillment at Pentecost, inasmuch as Peter declared: "This is that
which was spoken by the prophet Joel..." and we have already pointed out that
Pentecost is a harvest of Firstfruits. The fullness of the harvest, however, is the Feast
of Ingathering in the seventh month, when the wine and the oil were gathered in. You see,
Israel observed two different calendars: they had the Sacred Year which began with the
Passover in April, commemorating their departure from the land of Egypt, and their
beginning as a redeemed nation. But they also had what has been termed a Civil Year, or an
Agricultural Year, which began in October. This, then, was the first month of the Civil
Year, but at the same time it was the seventh month of the Sacred Year--the month of the
Feast of Tabernacles.
What Joel prophesied then, was this: "Be glad
then, ye children, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the
former rain moderately..." Dispensationally this was Pentecost, when God
first poured out His Spirit in copious showers of the former rain. Peter therefore could
testify: "This is that..." But it was only part of what Joel
had prophesied, for he continued: "And he will cause to come down for you the rain, the
former rain, and the latter rain, in the first month." The period from
October to April was the rainy season. Then followed the long summer months when no rains
were to be expected. The October and early November rains were called the former
or the seed rains--the rains which prepared the ground for the seed; then the
rainy season ended with the latter rains of April, or the harvest
rains--that which caused the grain to ripen; preparatory for the harvest.
Joel's prophecy, therefore, speaks of Pentecost--but
it goes on to embrace the fullness of Pentecost, even the Feast of Tabernacles. God did
give the former rain moderately--in the Pentecostal Age extending from the early Church
until now. But here is something very unusual. Right here in the
"first month" of the Agricultural Year (the seventh month of the Sacred year)
God has promised to do something most unusual; for He would give, not only the former rain
which belongs to that month, but He would give the former rain and the latter rain
combined!
Can we not see from this what God has promised His
people in this great hour? Not only the fullness of a great and glorious harvest, as in
Pentecost. And not only the wonderful harvest of Tabernacles, the Feast of Ingathering.
But all the glory and power of the early Church combined with all the glory and power
which rightfully belongs to the triumphant Church of the last days! All her former glory
combined with all her latter glory! Truly we cannot begin to imagine the great and
tremendous things which God hath prepared for them that love Him! "And he will cause
to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain, in the first
month,"--Or, "in the beginning of the season." It is the promise,
not only of the early and latter rain in the hour of the Feast of Tabernacles (the
"first month" of the Civil Year, but the seventh of the Sacred Year)--but it is
also a promise of the great day of harvest. "And the floors shall be full of wheat,
and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil" (Joel 2:24). The normal procedure is:
the early and the latter rain, then the harvest which culminates at Pentecost, then the
long summer months of dry weather, and then the final ingathering at the year's end. And
that indeed is the way it has happened dispensationally in the Church: the former
rain at Pentecost, but only moderately-- producing only a
moderate harvest, and followed by a great period of drought for century upon century. Now
the Lord will do a quick work in the earth. This is the focal hour of Church history. Now
we shall have not only the great and mighty harvest of the seventh month, the Feast of
Ingathering, but the former and the latter rain combined! A veritable
deluge of rain from the gates of Heaven! No wonder the prophet prophesied, "The glory
of this latter house shall be greater than of the former..."
THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT
"And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the
vats shall overflow with wine and oil." Or, literally, "New wine and oil,"
beautiful symbols of the fruit of the Spirit in the saints. Said Paul, "Be not drunk
with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit" (Eph. 5:18). And the
oil, as we know, is a symbol of the anointing. "The anointing which ye have received
of him abideth in you..." (1 Jn. 2:27).
This great ingathering is the harvest for which the
husbandman has been waiting ever since the foundation of the Church. Gifts of the Spirit
are really no evidence of spiritual attainment; God bestoweth His gifts freely by His
grace upon whomsoever He will. But with fruit it is entirely different. Fruit must grow;
and God has never intended that the Body of Christ should ever bring forth fruit except
through a continual Divine growth in the Spirit of God. The Ascension gifts that we
mentioned are for the purpose of adding growth to God's Garden, that we "may grow
up into Him" (Eph. 4:15). God will not come to us looking for gifts, but for
fruits of the Spirit. He gave us His gifts freely by His grace, and all we had to do was
to receive them and use them. What God wants now is fruit, because that
is something which He can receive from you. That is something which must grow
upon you by your patient and continual walk with God and your appropriation of His Spirit.
Until now the Husbandman has come into His garden, pruning, cultivating, watering--without
expecting anything in return. But now the harvest time is approaching, and soon He shall
visit His garden for one purpose and for one purpose only: seeking for fruit, and trusting
that His tender care over the vine has produced genuine fruit of the Spirit.
Let us never forget that the fruits
of the Spirit, and not the gifts of the Spirit, constitute the real test
of spiritual life; for the latter are given to produce the former, and it is the
fruit that is the embodiment and expression of Christ-likeness within the heart
and soul. That is why Paul exhorted, "Follow after love, and desire
spiritual gifts..." (1 Cor. 14:1). Gifts are absolutely necessary, for they
are the means to the end; but Love is the end, the consummation, the fruit for which God
is waiting. Love is the Ultimate, because "God is Love," and it is His purpose
to conform the saints even unto "the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn
among many brethren" (Rom. 8:29). Love is the End: but it is an End which knows no
beginning or ending, for it is God himself; and when we become thoroughly united with Him
we are in a realm which is eternally progressive.
O what a grand and glorious day awaits the Church in
the Feast of Ingathering! The Day of the fruit of the Spirit! Because we do not have the
fruit of the Spirit in any degree of fullness, we cannot appreciate its glory. Before the
gifts of the Spirit were restored to the Church we had a faint conception of what they
would be like, but what a revelation it is as we see them gradually unfolding before our
eyes! So with the fruit of the Spirit. We know what they are: "Love, joy, peace,
long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance" (Gal. 5:22). But
we shall never appreciate any measure of their real glory until the fruit of the Spirit
becomes visibly manifest in the saints of God.
by Chris Welch Facebook Note on Saturday, 28 January 2012 at 23:06
Every so often things happen.
In the Melchizedek Order.
We're not talking humanly organised.
We're talking God's agenda pad.
John
7 is one interesting chapter. You see every year the Jews celebrated
their Feasts. Jesus said to his brothers, "Your time is always with
you". Originally it didn't seem Jesus was even going to turn up. He did
turn up. He virtually took over the show. The Spirit kind of exploded
through Him on the day of the Outpouring of Water, which was part of the
Feast of Tabernacles, that HE WAS THE WATER OF LIFE.Every year the Jews
held their Feasts. But at other times God held His events.
The
birth of Jesus had its own choral event combined with angelic
announcement.Nobody knew or particularly cared about the birth of the
Messiah. Well they cared about their idea of the Messiah. The one that
would lend strength to their egos as Sovereign of the Jewish master
Race. It was promised you know.
But the real Jewish
Messiah, the one recorded beforehand in Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22, only the
shepherds cared about.And in particular because they were greatly
honoured to be especially told about it.
There's a
generation today like that. They are about to be told. But no one from
Judaism or Christendom will know about it, because they still have an
alternative Messiah to the real one. But those honoured to be told at
all, they'll be there. That every mouth be stopped.
That grace just be grace.
You see everything is wheels within wheels.
Cycles within cycles.
Every year we have Spring Harvest. The Call. Soul Survivor. Music events. Denominational events.
But then, every few decades and accelerating, there are the God events.
Just
like Simeon and Anna happening to be at the Temple just about the time
Jesus was presented to the Lord, and being on hand to prophecy
sovereignly over His life, and the life of mankind.Every so often,
there's the fruition of years.
You see God has a seed. The Seed of His Son.
Sown as people receive the Passover message.
Confirmed and anointed as people receive the Pentecost Message.
Then
manifested like a "coming out" ball in completeness at Spirit directed
Tabernacles events. Part of Tabernacles is the Feast of Ingathering,
what people call revivals. Except for those pioneering the moves, this
is no revival. This is Jesus coming out of them, fullgrown.
People
think the Welsh revival came in 1906. That was just the end product-
the Feast of Tabernacles presentation. But the Seed was sown in the
previous revivals in the 1800s, and 1850s. These were Melchizedek order
groups, nursing the seed as it grew, until the Coming out Debutante Ball
!!!
In 1970s, Watchman Nee had willingly sown his life
into a Communist jail where he had his tongue cut out , and he died. He
did this as an intercessory act for China and the West.But simultaneous
to this a prophetess called Jean Darnall directed Britain, in poor shape
spiritually, to hold a Festival of Light as a prophetic declaration
using all the old Beacons throughout Britain. Then culminating in two
London Festivals. One in 1971 and then the one I was present at in 1972.
This
was the era when denominations were hearing the message about the
Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Initially the Word was coming in the
framework known as Fountain Trust. Within a year or so we were hearing
the prophetic message that God had so much more. And it was coming
through two groups of men to us Brits.
The housechurch leaders. These held significant meetings in London.
And from the States we received input from a group that became localised at Fort Lauderdale Florida.
Don
Basham was used sovereignly and from his point of view totally
unplanned in our hometown of Amersham. A whole houseful were baptised in
the Holy Spirit in my friends's house.It was reported that they had had
an orgy. (Clearly someone had noticed them all hugging each
other....this was Britain 1967 remember!!)
The point I am trying to make, well several...are God's sovereign timing...HE IS IN CHARGE
The cyclic nature of the preparation lasting decades, hopefully accelerating.
The nature of progressively greater vision.
And then we heard about the Bible Weeks. And
heard the Ern Baxter message from Kansas City in 1975.This is the point i
want to make. We were denominational but Spirit-filled Christians. The
only thing we knew about was receiving the Holy Spirit's power in order
to share with other people we knew about the salvation offered inJesus
Christ.
What we didnt know when we gathered in Dales Bible
Week Harrogate Yorkshire in a huge cowshed used for agricultural shows
was that when God does one of His sovereign presentations everything changes gear.
Melchizedek
order events are not man made. God sets them up decades before. He
chooses and anoints (quite often) totally unknown hidden people.
David
Duplessis of the charismatic move was chosen through prophecy through
the mouth of Smith Wigglesworth in 1946, some 20 years before he was
really used as figurehead throughout Africa and the world.Melchizedek
order events are always hugely bigger than anyone can imagine. Not only
numerically, but in substance and in vision. With each unveiling, or
"apocalypse" (same word for transfiguration), each cycle is amost
frighteningly bigger and all encompassing.
None of us
expected anything like the Dales. It blew us right out of our
denominational mentaliities.That's when we became Kingdom people.
These events are bigger , more substantial for these reasons.
God
says about prayer, and waiting upon Him.....don't heap up words as the
gentiles do with their prayers. Unbelieving Anglicans heap up the Lord's
prayer each week as a meaningless ritual. They have absolutely no idea
what they are reciting, apart from a parrot fashion lipsync.Instead we
are to go into our inner room and meet with our Daddy Father in secret.
We listen out for Him. We love on him. We commune with His heart. Which
is huge. We listen to His heartbeat. We capture His vision. We receive
the DNA infrastructure of His next Melchizedek events. Small and large.
Whatsoever we hear in the secret place, shall, down the road be shouted
loud from the rooftops, over P.A systems in stadiums. At the next big
events.
These events are more substantial because each
generation is standing on the last, and Jesus continues to "come"
stronger and stronger in His saints. Saints literally have MORE of the
substance of Christ, which like concrete is being laid thicker and
thicker inside the saints.
Then put all these secret place
whispers, of all the 12 tribes,in thicker and thicker concentrations
into one gathering place, and the step change is, to begin with almost
too much for everybody. The presence of God corporately is almost
frightening. You see all of us tend to live in our small family units,
or at best meet in our local church, but Melchizedek events are a bit
like Close Encounters of the Third Kind . Quite often with little
advertising, everyone knows, maybe by virtue of the sort of gathering it
is, or the sort of hungry people who are going to be there, or by
virtue of the Lord's dealings that we know about among the people that
will be there....
For whatever reason, when we actually arrive, we're a bit breathless. How on earth did these other guys hear about it?
This
was so for the Holy Spirit instructed teach-in on evangelism and the
Baptism of the Holy Spirit in my friend Rachel's house in April 1972. it
was in South Bucks for heaven sake. How did those teenagers from Noth
Bucks know about it?
Melachizedek events really are like
the building of Solomon's Temple. Previously hewn in secret quarries,
all the pieces appear to come together perfectly and pretty seamlessly,
yet totally beyond human planning. To a certain extent this happens with
every Spirit Church meeting....but nowhere is it more obvious than in
the larger Melchizedek events.
Lastly, these events are
more substantial because of the new vision level that the Holy Spirit
chooses to unveil. All God's vision requires the FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST
HIMSELF to bring it to pass. As little denominational or new housechurch
people, the KINGDOM vision that was presented was so vast, because it
encompassed the whole world, we thought how on earth can these things
be? All we'd known at Dr Challenors Grammar School ,Amersham UK was
attempts to close us down, to hush us up, to render our little Christian
union absolutely useless and ineffective in the larger school. Looking
back it is very like the legitimacy of the Catholic Church at the end of
the Roman empire. Sure we had our meeting place, but we had various
strictures placed upon us, that as naive schoolboys we probably took on
board far too swiftly. This was and is how Communist China deals with
Christian churches. They formed the 3 self Movement, which is a
government policing, emasculating the spread of the gospel. Ofcourse the
house church movement (illegally) expands more and more.Yet God knows
the end from the beginning. He knows what He calls us to and how it is
to be fulfilled. He knew about things we didnt know or couldnt envisage.
The Power of the gospel itself was far greater and deeper than we knew
through Billy Graham. Although we saw signs through Wurmbrand that this
was one heck of a power coming out of a human. Then we knew nothing
about 3stages of growth, sattellite TV. Home PCs. And here it is.
Right now.
The next awesome stage is about to be announced.
The Third Level. The Third Feast. The Incarnation of Christ in the Believers. The Last Great Battle.
Music like you've never heard in your life.
Worship so intense you may be fooled that you are in heaven.
12 tribes worth of revelation streaming.
Healing and miracle power like your eyes will hardly be able to apprehend.
Some
leaders you will recognise who know how to move with the Melchizedek
order, just as Arthur Wallis and Derek Prince did. Many are totally new
and unheard of by man, but totally and intimately known by God.
You
are going to enjoy this, if initially apprehensive. Most responded to
angels this way. The angels had to always say, Do not be afraid.
THIS.
THIS IS THE MELCHIZEDEK ORDER
THIS IS THE THIRD LEVEL.
Cliff GablemanVery
blessed to read, and as I read the Witness came with exclamation..we
are on the precipes of a move that will totally engulf the
nations......the living stones are being brought together and bonded
together with HIS elastic LOVE........and these living stones, these
nobody's that have been in the waiting room for decades, will be at the
forefront as the true manifested sons of the true priesthood.
The
overwhelming intensity you speak of was the same in the move under Sam
Fife from about 1967 to 1979, the urgent gathering together, the
outpoured anointing, the clarion word from the throne. I caught the tail
end of it. But you know, I ...See more
Daniel YordyChris, I think I'm going to borrow this and send it in my letter.
Yesterday at 11:09 ·
Chris WelchDaniel
we cant all live in the centre of his will like we do in the UK!!!! No
only joking....What seems to happen so far here is that....you say
something....a few months later I get it, am gripped by it, put it out,
then Annalize says she has bookshelves on the stuff already!!!
You
can certainly borrow this. Sam Fife was on a totally different plane in
what he was sharing to what we heard in the 70s. i can understand my
friends Pete and Judy Ashton being quite insular at the time in Fishers
Pond Colden Common Sout...See more
Yesterday at 16:55 ·
Chris WelchJoan
so glad you liked this. You are going to be so glad you met the
bathroom floor. Obviously I don't know details, but right in the thick
of it as we start to experience the very mists of glory starting to
become visible to the naked eye, you're going to think......wow.....when
I was hanging below the toilet seat, kind of vaguely face down....I
never dreamt that God would bring me to this....and on earth too!
3 hours ago ·
Chris WelchAnd
you'll look round and see a whole load of countless folk all with
startled bathroom expressions....and you'll all laugh hysterically at
how brilliant Jesus is.
Chris WelchYes.....it's a great bunch of verses that just about suits the FB Joy post I put up.
2 hours ago ·
Rich NovekOne
of my favorite passages, God gave me this when i was in my 20's, just
before I moved away from my home town the first time with a wife and new
baby. I moved to Seattle in 83, and it turned out being the most
amazing time, especially in regards to my relationship with Christ!
it's REAL Christianity in a nice compact nutshell!
The predominant theme in this series is that that which makes a difference comes suddenly from the outside.
This is as true on a subatomic scale to do with particles that just appear momentarily and yet appear to drive the whole show, as it is on a church level, or in our natural lives as a whole.
Mendel I believe got genetics in a dream.
Mendeleev got the Periodic Table in a dream.
Einstein got the idea of relativity from a daydream about riding on a sunbeam.
This morning a question was asked about John Chapter 1 in Mystery revealed on Facebook:
Judy LoveintheAir McLean - Mystery Revealed
So, in the beginning was the Word, what is the Word?
Sisqo Christfyd Caleb this word is 'the person' not 'message' and its JESUS CHRIST! the voice of God the father.!
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It is the voice, but Andre's books really nail things down infurther directions. It's things like "humanity" wasnt an also run design.It was His primary purpose to have an eternal Christ Man in heaven, as firtstborn of many brethren. Sin di...dnt disrupt the programme. This Word was unaffected by sin and totally over and above sin. Sin has been "used " en route, but WORD is without reference to sin. Jesus was the Lamb slain before there was any sin to be slain for, and even had sin never existed there is an existence in God that IS Life eternally for others. Imagine a Body living eternally inside this Life laid down for others....we just have no reference point on earth for the magnitude of this Life principle worked out through untold millions.
Later I had the thought of an algorithm. A piece of mathematical coding. An instruction. These are used to create many many returns on a mathematical problem, or are used in many different circumstances to test out designs before anything gets put into production.
Well Jesus is spirit not maths, not formulae, nor is He just a part of the Created Universe, since He Himself sustains the whole thing by His Word of Power.
Having said that Word IS like an algorithm, that is being passed through countless number of flesh, you and me forms, to come up with a NEW CREATION IN CHRIST.
"made for a time a little lower than the angels,now crowned with glory and honour." Hebrews.
Jesus came from nowhere, "at the right time to die for us sinners". This nowhere is actually the only SOMEWHERE of any real note, since it is where God dwells. And this is where this "algorithm" returned afterwards, to watch a whole reproduction of the same algorithm take place in other flesh forms like Himself.
Jesus even went OUTSIDE, in that He went outside the city, even once He had come amongst us. Golgotha was "outside". Hebrews 13:13 says we are to walk this way. This is the very description of our walk in God.
Yesterday I very nearly posted " One day churches will allow Brian Coatney, Fred Pruitt, Ole Henrik, Nancy Gilmore,Rich Novek ,Daniel Yordy and myself to speak, but until then we are too busy following Christ to look Christian."
Ern Baxter
This morning I was writing about Ern Baxter in the context of evangelicalism- Facebook.
Everyone on earth has two choices at spirit level: to believe this,"MAN’S EGO is a LIAR, and the FATHER OF ALL LIES! And Man’s Ego no matter how you dress it up, no matter how many times you call it Christ, will never bring you to the Promise of God, which is REST!" or to believe that man's ego is not the Father of lies at all, but so enmeshed within it a death had to occur, which led to the current total reality of Galations 2:20 "with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh -- in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me"Youngs LiteralTranslation
In that first short phrase you see the spirit that paralysed Martha in the face of her brother's death, and why Jesus had to reprimand her, you see virtually the whole sticking ground of the evangelical church movement paralysed from the outset in ever fulfilling God's mandate on earth, and the reason Ern Baxter was sent to rebuke the whole movement, and you also see the underlying helpless cynicism behind current Enlightenment education and politics. Every human movement is stifled from the outset with the basic concept "Try as hard as you might you will never really get anywhere." The gospel says, give up trying, you're too late, the same Jesus who has already overcome is going to overcome IN YOU, in practice not just belief."
Ern Baxter was a necessary outsider. It had to be someone like him that God could use in such an awesome way in Lakes Bible Week 1975, Capel Bible Week May 76, Dales Bible Week 76 and 77.
Dales 76 was the most awesome Bible Week I have ever been in, and certainly the only one which had newspaper sightings of strange lights in the sky above Yorkshire, and also reports of singing by neighbouring houses disgruntled that we had continued into the early hours of the morning. We hadn't. At around 11 or 11.30 onwards there was no one in there!! We'd gone to bed.
You see Ern had a Reformed background, his theology was geared towards God's Sovereignty. But his own wouldn't really receive him because he was baptised in the Spirit. But had he been Pentecostal, his theology could have been so shrunken, so reduced in size to individual protestant altar rail conversion, that God could never have used him to propel the church in the UK out of quaint "Spirit -filled twee denominationalism" into the vision of the Supremacy of the Church, and God's mandate to the church.
Because Ern walked between 2 stools, he walked with incredible suffering and rejection all his life.
But in the end, who did God pick up between His fingers and relocate at strategic times to deliver His Word to a whole nation of Christians?
Havant Church - October Key of David
Last Sunday Christine and I were not in this particular meeting, but it was described this morning. The keener readers will know how anxious I've been getting about these meetings, which I considered as some of the most edgy meetings in the UK at this current time.(Not including actual purpose built Paul Anderson Walsh meetings and others)
Last Sunday there was a powercut during the evening Key of David meeting. Havant Meridian Centre is particularly susceptible to electrics, and this set off an alarm which meant everyone was sent outside to the Park. The meeting continued there on the grass. (Reminds me of our school revival 1972).
Now there were youngsters in the park known to some of our youth group, who in the last 2 years or so, have become quite hot stuff for Jesus.That's a blogpost in its own right...but you've seen the water baptisms of 2008 right?)
So some of our youngsters got to talking to these others who were drawn by what was going on in this open air Key of David meeting. One of our number, Chris Darmanin (a professional photographer, but former church leader elsewhere) was used to bring specific prophetic words individually to several of the youngsters.
So can you see the thread?
God always shaking things up....causing disturbances to our "dead systems".
Even the very first church in Jerusalem was effectively "blown to smithereens"...now yes...I know what the devil meant it for....but God is the "over and above God" who manages disruptions completely for His own greater ends.
As Sheila might have suspected, this post had a certain inevitability about it given the launch of the Hadron Collider. BBC Radio 4 gave the whole day to it. Children everywhere including Ben, have been having end of the world nightmares, and one child in India committed suicide. How careful the media reporters have to be on sensitive issues.
For 36 years I have been prophesying in meetings. For 20 years I have been carrying the corporate " entering into" of the third level described by this blog. But this has only become public this year. Interestingly enough, while there may be oblique references to us moving on as a Body....most of my prophecies this year have been about relationship with Jesus and the Father. This further goes to prove, those who prophesy do not choose their subjects. They don't say to themselves...oh, I think I'll say this today.
Although I began this post mid-week, today is Sunday and I was singing and proclaiming about "testimony" today. A good deal of that has been unpacking itself since hearing Rob Rufus speaking about "testimony". Rob Rufus' preachings are peppered with third-level concepts - only he would never describe them as such. Probably wisely.
"Third Level "items are cultural distinctives of a Body that is maturing, and their only relevance is in relationship to our former manner of running Body Life. They are changes that the Holy Spirit is sovereignly making, without some denominational head's say so, or charismatic stream leader's approval. Here is one such Rufus-ism and third-level item. Rob said he dislikes being known as Pastor Rob...or if he is called that , then he reserves the right to address someone as plumber Dave.
The more the third-level message gets out :of Christ in us as us, the more the concept of ministries per se pales away. For example, Norman Grubb calls this whole level, "the apostle level", or "father level". One of my first-ever posts on Dan's site (seems like years ago)was:" Chris said...A safer view of ministries has been stated by Ed Miller who helped father the 50s Argentine breakthrough, and various subsequent moves. He talks of them as taxi drivers.Taxi drivers to the throne of God. Once they have done their task, they actually have less relevance. The end goal of ministry being to reproduce Christ in others. comment to 31st Jan 2008"
Do you remember the Mel Tari books on the Indonesian Revival? "Like a Mighty Wind" and "The Gentle Breeze of Jesus". Apart from the staggering miracle content, the thing that really stood out was their tone. Humility. Normality. No hype. Just: Jesus is alive and does these sort of things,OK? They were a team of people who loved each other, each with their distinct personalities, who went out proclaiming the message. No special ministries. No special names. No conferences. Nope. Just lots of jungle. And facelessness.
This was and is still happening as a result of the Florida Outpouring. I mean who has has ever heard of Matt? From Rustington. Don't know his surname. Yet he has permanently impacted a mass of teenagers at RiverCAMP.
OK that was all an insert.....back to the subject of prophecy.......... Many times this year I have gone into meetings determined to say nothing, because from an English "retiring personality" point of view I have overstepped the mark already. Then I'm off prophesying again. The now Word into the Body, being conveyed by people such as Mark Stibbe , Peter Jackson of Shaftsbury and our own Peter Stott is about coming home to the Father. If this was just a nice trendy talk, that would be one thing, but the most incredible signs and wonders are following this message everywhere. See a copy of Peter's comments for example about what is happening this week (my comment on Dan's blog).The Bible records two types of collisions (probably more - but these two anyway) The colliding embrace of the Prodigal Son with his running Father, and the collision Jacob had with an angel or God Himself in a pre-incarnate form, we don't really know, in Genesis 32:22.
My question is are they the same thing in different manifestations or are we talking about the unfolding of two entirely different experiences in God?
The Hadron Collider explodes atoms in order to view their constituent parts....many of which will never have been viewed before. Later I'll talk about a God Collision.
The prototype revelation of God, which He subsequently sowed into the ground, in order to gain more and more sons in an ever-expanding version of this same revelation, took three generations to unfold. The revelation given to Abraham,then Isaac, then Jacob. This was quite specific and why God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. If it was not meant to be as self-contained, presumably a whole further genealogy of names would have been trotted out. But no....it is again a matter of the three stages of revelation which we have with us to this very day.....no more so, because, for the first time in history a whole generation are being called into the Third Level, or Jacob revelation simultaneously. This is referred to in Psalm 24 :6 as "This is the generation of those who seek You, o God of Jacob."This subject is not just Chris Welch going off on one.....this is God now deciding that we as a Body are now corporately well-grounded in the Abraham and the Isaac revelations, and now is the time for the unfolding of the Jacob experience of God. "Seeking His Face".The Abrahamic Covenant concerned the Body believing God and it being reckoned to us as righteousness. Believing on the death and resurrection of Jesus for our salvation. The brazen altar. Also, our obedience to sign on the dotted line of God's New Covenant by our water baptism, and our receiving of the cleansing , washing waters of the Spirit by asking Jesus into our heart. Both describe The Laver (v.18).
The Isaac Covenant is one of Grace Provision. Many commentators look at Abraham and Jacob, then at Isaac and say, well what did he do? He opened wells Gen 26:19. Again and again. Opposed at every turn. He is a figure of the Corporate Pentecostal blessing which has driven us into testing, into a crash maturation process. All we seem to be doing is opening wells and then forced to move on. A lot of maturation comes with us brushing up against orthodoxy(Our Ishmael half-brother), sons of God after the flesh. Some, I said some notice, of our brushes are with denominational approaches to Christianity. Or even in independant churches, this dreadful man-made approach to running churches...even after having received the Spirit. We echo Paul in Galations..."Who has bewitched you??"The third and most important foe is none other than ourselves. Our own Ishmael attempts at doing the Christian Life. I'm afraid it all has to stop!Like Ed Miller, we just stop! Doggedly and determinedly, one day we make a decision...God I'm not doing another thing until You do something through me. I am absolutely not going to fake this stuff anymore. And you know what. God likes that!!!
The wells were pre-dug. This is grace. We receive miracle anointing by grace. We receive the Spirit by grace. Every supernatural gift manifested in our meetings is by grace. Will always be by grace. Then, much as Brad Jersak or others who criticise faith ministries of the 80s...but shockingly , yes, abundance,blessing,riches, all this is included in this stage of revelation see Genesis 26:12, even if at this stage our abundance seems only expressed in our capacity to survive...since with the Devil's onslaught we should surely be dead. Bit like Moses in the desert with his sheep. Exactly how prosperous was he? But he was still alive...after 40 years of it!!! And SO ARE WE.
This is like the Holy of Holies where there is no natural light...only the light of the Holy Spirit. Meetings and churches which make no sense at all but for the experience of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit...experienced individually, but baptising us into our first experience of being a corporate Body...the Body of Christ on earth.
The Jacob Covenant. This is the final revelation stage. We all thought that with the Abraham and Isaac revelations we could swing into the Earth and fulfil Ern Baxter's vision of Going Into the Land (Awe-inspiring and door opening Dales Bible Week 1976) Morris Cerullo grabbed Ern to minister for several months into his newly formed San Diego Schools of Ministry in the late 1970s. These guys have gone on to build huge "warehouses"...hopefully they are more than this...but they really are huge...25,000 or more in one church.
But hold on fellas....there is another anointing, another step to God's Covenant with us. "Seeking the Face of the God of Jacob".This is the Hadron Collider. Throwing up particles in us we never knew we had. The Apostle Peter openly swore violently that he had never even met the man Jesus. Juan Carlos Ortiz talks about John Bunyan's description in Pilgrim's Progress as being too mild. Not laying down your burden at the Cross....but an atom bomb being laid underneath your whole life. What the Bible describes as the Altar of Incense in our approach to the Holy of Holies. Or the Day of Atonement in the Third Feast, the Feast of Tabernacles(14-16).The Jacob Covenant revelation is the last one. It is after this Jacob became Israel. Then history really started happening. The third Level isn't some nice bi-product kind of Christian blog ministry. This is the level where we start unravelling where things went wrong in the beginning in Genesis 3:5. You don't put this right by asking Jesus into your heart. You don't put this right by being baptized in the Spirit. But you do put it right as a Body, by having a Name change.Christ operating in us as us. A Name change.
Later on I will describe more about spiritual warfare and a third-level view of Intercession. But as a taster, I want to take everyone back to Dales Bible Week 1976. In the article link transcribed by Dan you can see Ern talking about "order". This was the first time we saw the thing about going to conferences, as going up to feasts in our tribes. And as rightly related, and submitted groups (which Ed Miller freaked out at)...yet as proto-type embryonic vision...this was accurate...and in this order, for the first time in recent history we addressed the spirits over regions in England. It was not lightly done. There was awe there. There was some smashing of the lightbulbs. There were many many reported sightings of angels. Stuff, of an order, none had ever felt before was happening in that huge cowshed. We weren't that sure what would happen. What we would stir up.
Then on to the late 80s and 90s. Peter Wagner and Cindy Jacobs, and others in Argentina were understanding more about intercession over regions. Opening up cities and lands for God. This was critical as we came into the 90s, because there were many lands we could not reach. So then there was the 10/40 Window thrust, to reach many of the middle Eastern and Asian lands. As a direct result a whole spate of direct personal sightings of Jesus in these nations has been experienced.Coupled with the raising up of satellite TV. I'll tell you some stuff about Rory and Wendy one day.
What I am now saying is this. Intercession so far has been carried out with Abraham and Isaac Revelation only. Now is the time of the Third-Level anointing. Now is the time of a corporate Name change. Now is the time of a corporate Christ in us as us....when each individual just knows who he or she is. A Body like that, across the Earth, history has never seen. That is the Body I am referring to, and describing here. That type of Body is going to exercise huge and paralysing damage to the devil...but remember it is still only enforcement. Enforcement of what Jesus already accomplished on the Cross. And I guess it is that kind of Body that will, with the Spirit, say "Come!"Revelation 22:17. Notice who they say "Come" to. Not to Jesus, as I'd always thought....but to all those who are hungry and thirsty and want the free gift of the water of Life.
That is the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the Feast of Tabernacles. And so the cyclic sowing and reaping cycle of the Body of Christ continues, from Feast to Feast, from age to age, from God move to God move, the same spiritual laws apply. Unbreakable laws of going into the ground and bearing much fruit. This is evangelism. The surface methods are the means. The preaching. The tents. The Sattellite TV. The church activities. But all are meaningless if the Spirit and the Bride are not saying" Come"by the power of the Spirit underneath it all.
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