Your Time is Always With You

 

Exercised

A severely exercised Jewish Messianic believer looks out on the world:

Chris, is G-d real? Jesus? The crimes these very Evil Elite are committing are beyond bad. They are crippling young children literally on purpose, and screwing with the minds of young soldiers~ Their crimes against Everyone in Every country should be punishable by hanging till dead! They are sooo much worse than what Adam or Eve did! If G-d is Love, and that is how I know Him, Why has He allowed this evil to prosper for so long? What kind of a game is this? These people are sick, perverted, dangerous criminals. Raping and sacrificing children, beheading, throwing acid in the faces of young women for the fun of it and beating and stoning others without any punishment??? I just don't get it~ Now we have a huge push for the devil in our music, college campuses, movies, and so on~ Anti- Semitism is The Thing once again, and it's ALL the cabal who decide the Mood of the Year, Century; Not G-d. Everything is backwards, and many wonder, if G-d really does exist? What is the new creation? Satanists? History repeating itself?

Me: God intends for every mouth to be stopped.....that is that everything be fully tried out and proved wanting...
so that men may cry out for that "something more"....the deep cries to deep in Psalm 42.
And the thirst for living waters in Isaiah 55 and John 7.

For thousands of years we have known that the last times...well the last times of the 1st Adam....would be perilous times. Isaiah 60 talks about gross Darkness covering the earth.....................
Jesus said pray
Lead us NOT INTO THE TIME OF TESTING but deliver us from evil.....and what did mankind do instead? Stop praying the Lord's Prayer seriously and walk smack into the dreadful times of testing instead.....
But God knows even this and is speaking to every man.....we are not to believe that the media is the sum total of what is going on....the media is a lie....the news is onesided.....the music is onesided....films are largely one sided.....
but the true leaven of the Kingdom is spreading.
9 hours ago

Amen~ May it be true! People need to cling to hope. Without it we are already dead! Faith comes by hearing, and hearing every word of G-d. How will that be possible with the evil ones burning every church, temple, synagogue, Christian and Jew? I guess that's a question only G-d has the answer to. Some things He alone understands, don't you think? Peace be with you, my dear friend~
about an hour ago

Me: Once there were no buildings. Just believers in houses and catacombs.


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Presence and Reality are central
Moses said unless You go up with us I and your people shall not go up to Canaan. Where two or three gather in the unalloyed Name of just purely and simply Christ there I AM Is in your midst. The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy. This sentence is like a maths theorem that works both ways because it has an equals in it. So whether you begin by testifying to Holy Spirit acts in your life or history or the Bible it creates a quickening of faith that brings the Now Hope of God for more of the same. But even if you work in reverse, sensing the Now inner Word which is God in your inner man......according to.....But go into your inner room and shut your door to outward surface stuff and meet with your Father in secret..... or psalm 19 where every day pours forth speech....their voice is not heard (audibly) but it never ceases......
Yes either way is God's reality. Without that reality Christians are stuffed anyway. We are not going any place. Leave the New Age to bring in Lucifers reign through Lucis trust and Lucent technology via Starbucks or bucks for the establishing of the Isaiah 14 morning star.......We are stuffed anyway. But hear God, and we hear the Mighty One raising a Holy Spirit army.....who.say yes to Jesus when He declared " the Gates of hell shall not prevail against my ecclesia, my called out assembly" many are called few are chosen. How do you get called? You listen continually to what is being broadcast on that subterranean wavelength of psalm 19.

John7 - Your time is always with you

Naïve

So I think I've been a little too naïve
in believing people will follow the Truth all the way into Truth. I've forgotten that there's a whole organisation of demons out there presenting themselves as angels of Light.

Now we CAN trust the Spirit to lead us into all Truth. But do we want the Truth? Jesus said in John 7...If any man's will is to DO the WILL OF THE FATHER He shall (automatically/reflexively/almost by bulk download) know the teaching whether it be of God. Also the New Covenant DOES SAY....and there shall be no need for one to teach his brother...for they shall ALL KNOW ME. But there's just one thing I was forgetting, as I kind of left Gary Sigler and everyone to it....what's that?  There's a STORY that goes along with the WAY, followed by THE TRUTH. And the story I present to you in Rich Novek's testimony. In Annalize Mouton's testimony. In Jesus own testimony in Old Testament phrases and New Testament descriptions; My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
[b]Far from my deliverance are the words of my [c]groaning.
2 O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but [d]I have no rest.
3 Yet You are holy,

For He grew up before Him like a tender [a]shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty

Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
[g]Smitten of God, and afflicted.

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [h]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people through His own blood, suffered outside the gate. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. 14 For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come.


THIS IS THE STORY we WALK....and recognise in one another...
THIS IS THE WAY...WALK IN IT.....This is how God brings us into ALL TRUTH

You want ALL TRUTH? You WANT POWER WITH GOD?
You want to speak the FAITH of the SON OF GOD?
Well, how do you intend to do it if you don't walk in His WAY for YOU?

The hexagonal movement of near boiling water

picture : Ole Henrik Skjelstad

Water is essential to our planet's life and without it nothing could survive. The globe is two-thirds covered by water, but 93% is ocean water, toxic to humans, plants and animals.
  
The water keeps moving in a cycle; it evaporates from rivers, lakes, and oceans.

 The vapor from evaporation and condensation forms the clouds in the sky and then returns to earth as rain, snow, sleet, or hail. The best part about The Water Cycle is that you can start at any stage because it is always circling around.

 About two-thirds of your body is made up of water.
The Earth's water supply is made up of: 97% oceans, 2% Icecaps/Glaciers, 1% Fresh Ground Water.
In 20 minutes, one thunderstorm can send down over 125,000,000 gallons of water!
  http://ellerbruch.nmu.edu/classes/cs255w03/cs255students/mteasley/p4/watercycle.html

 Water is the only thing that can be a gas, liquid, and a solid. 

Psalm 24Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 A Psalm of David. To Jehovah [is] the earth and its fulness, The world and the inhabitants in it.

² For He on the seas hath founded it, And on the floods He doth establish it.

Genesis 1 (YLT)

1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --

² the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

³ and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is.

Isaiah 55 (YLT)

1 Ho, every thirsty one, come ye to the waters, And he who hath no money, Come ye, buy and eat, yea, come, buy Without money and without price, wine and milk.............

9 For high have the heavens been above the earth, So high have been My ways above your ways, And My thoughts above your thoughts.

¹⁰ For, as come down doth the shower, And the snow from the heavens, And thither returneth not, But hath watered the earth, And hath caused it to yield, and to spring up, And hath given seed to the sower, and bread to the eater,

¹¹ So is My word that goeth out of My mouth, It turneth not back unto Me empty, But hath done that which I desired, And prosperously effected that [for] which I sent it.

John 4 (YLT)

 ¹⁰ Jesus answered and said to her, `If thou hadst known the gift of God, and who it is who is saying to thee, Give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked him, and he would have given thee living water.'

¹³ Jesus answered and said to her, `Every one who is drinking of this water shall thirst again;

¹⁴ but whoever may drink of the water that I will give him, may not thirst -- to the age; and the water that I will give him shall become in him a well of water, springing up to life age-during.'

John 7 (YLT)


 and the feast of the Jews was nigh -- that of tabernacles --

³⁷ And in the last, the great day of the feast,(The Feast of the Outpouring of Water) Jesus stood and cried, saying, `If any one doth thirst, let him come unto me and drink;

³⁸ he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;'

³⁹ and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Here's an interesting thing and the point of this post:

Just before water changes into steam at boiling point scientists have recently discovered that water molecules gather into strange hexagonal shapes.

Now steam speaks of  third level Christianity. Structure and form break down, become meaningless. Steam speaks of wind and Spirit, blowing where it wills. "Those who are led by the Spirit, these are the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

^{John 3: 8} the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'

Hexagonal shapes speak of the number 6, the number of man. Because fallen man  is infected with the virus of the sin spirit, 6 has also come to mean the number of the Satanic world system, 666, the number of the Beast. Either way, it is fascinating that built into the fabric of how things run, water actually forms these hexagonal patterns which then break apart and hurl the waterparticles into their steam form.

Right now, across the earth there are Christians doing their darnedest to work the works of God by self effort. They form into tightly woven cliques of the independent self. Into this breaks the message of grace, lifting man into rest, which is really represented by the number of 7.
Meanwhile the world system itself is infested with 6s and hexagrams. Satanists and witches firmly believe in the power of the hexagram and pentagram symbols. Rot  Schild or Rothschild, the Luciferian ruling dynasty that underpins finance in the whole earth, have a hexagram as their emblem, and having been responsible for manipulating Israel into being in its current form ruled by Tel Aviv or Sidon as it is referred to in Ezekiel 28, it also now has the hexagram on its flag.


The other aspect of these hexagonal motions is precisely their cliquey nature. One thing that breaks apart in the third level is our rather blinkered cliquey vision of the world....all tightly contained in our hexagonal boxes of tremendous effort....

We are brought into a higher revelation of the rest that Jesus has won for us. Our little perspective and small mindedness is blown apart and we begin to absorb the vastness, the variety, the hugeness of God's true plans in the Earth. However to change into our free steam or gaseous form, we seem to have to pass through this tremendous bout of self effort of the number 6. This hard effort period is described by Sylvia Pearce in her account of Romans 7. Like a chick trying its hardest to break out from an egg, we seem to require this awful struggle in order to make us inwardly what is necessary to survive in the next stepchange into steam!

A Guide To Heavenly Bliss - Chris Hammond

Intoxicated by the Unseen first posted here

 

The Frustration

I’ve often been asked by people who desire to be “Drunk in the Spirit” how to get drunk or “Why is it that some people feel drunk or high and some people don’t?” Often times, people are frustrated by their seeming inability to sustain the experience of Bliss in everyday life. I used to struggle with similar questions. Although I would get “drunk” at meetings, I didn’t know how to sustain the drunkenness throughout regular life. I thought it was just some kind of special “anointing” the preacher was gifted with, so I would enjoy the intoxication while it lasted and return to my depressed state when the meeting was over. I didn’t know I could live in a perpetual state of being high in the presence of God. It wasn’t until I learned “what” I was drinking – or rather “Who” I am drinking – or where I drink from, that I began to understand and actually live life being whacked out on Jesus on a constant basis.

I believe one of the main problems people run into is that often times we let our intellect get in the way and we talk ourselves out of experiencing something that we don’t necessarily understand. It’s all by faith. Simple faith. Like a little kid. Also a lot of times people still struggle with condemnation. So often, they wake up with this sense of guilt and shame that cannot be explained and subconsciously think God is mad at them, although they may not say it quite that blatantly. The key to experiencing a life of absolute freedom  is simply believing – or “Trusting that it’s true…” –  that we are in perfect Union with God and that we are absolutely innocent and deeply loved. It’s amazing how many people don’t actually believe this simple truth, although they make the intellectual agreement that it’s true. Our lifestyles and attitudes show what we believe far more than our words ever could.

The Truth About You

In the Person of Jesus, God and Humanity were united. Christ is in you. Right now. Your unbelief does not nullify this truth. Your belief simply changes your awareness of this truth, which in turn, results in a change of experience. God’s opinion of you does not change based on your performance. What you could never do, He has done by nailing the requirements of the Law to the cross, setting you free forever. I encourage you to read Colossians in the New Testament. I’ve gone into more detail on this subject in previous blog posts and I will definitely go into even more detail in later posts. Endless words still cannot express the inexpressible. It must be experienced.

Childlike Faith

Although this illustration can translate to pretty much every aspect of faith in the unseen, one of the most effective ways I have found to explain the initial “getting drunk” part of the experience involves a scene from the movie, “Hook” starring Robin Williams. I’d like to thank my good friend, Will Bibee, for telling me of this beautiful illustration of faith – Seeing the unseen. (I’ve included the scene below, in case you have not seen it.)


Notice in the beginning of this scene, Peter was complaining about wanting real food because he didn’t see any food on the table. He looked around at all of the Lost Boys, only to see them all eating food that, to him, wasn’t actually there.  To the Lost Boys, though, this food was as real as it gets.  The only difference between them and Peter was that they actually believed it was there, so they were able to enjoy it simply by using their imaginations. Peter’s unbelief in a reality he couldn’t see with his natural sight blocked him from enjoying the benefits of what had been there all along, even though he couldn’t see it.
It wasn’t until Rufio insulted Peter to the point of being really annoyed, that Peter began to step into his True Identity – Peter Pan. This is a huge point. Identity. Knowing who you are is absolutely vital. (Side note: Jesus is your Mirror. Everything that He is, points to who You are! Jesus is God’s opinion of you!) When Peter began to step into his True Self, he scooped a spoon into an empty bowl and flicked it at Rufio. The next thing that happened was the initial crossover of his faith. Food appeared. He saw it for himself. The Lost Boys began to applaud Peter for believing. For “playing” with them! This is so key! Jesus said to become like little children if we are to inherit the Kingdom of God! So of course, Peter then was able to enjoy what had been there all along by – pardon the terminology here – “Make Believe.”
I suppose it’s necessary to say this: We don’t actually “make” anything happen by our faith. True Faith is simply agreeing with what has been true all along…

The Drink

Song of Solomon, a romantic poem written a few thousand years ago, is widely interpreted as an allegory of Christ and His Bride. You are the Bride of Christ – even if you’re a guy (another topic that would take too much to get into right here. Just be loved, bro. It’s good!) In the first chapter of this beautiful poem, the Bride says to her Beloved , “Your love is better than wine.” Wine will get you drunk if you drink enough of it. To me, what this sounds like is that the Love of Christ is more intoxicating, or better, than wine.
In the 5^th chapter of the letter written by Paul the Apostle to the church in Rome, he tells them, “the Love of God has exploded within your hearts, through the Holy Spirit who was given to you.” So the Love of God, which is more intoxicating than wine, has exploded inside of your heart and my heart. Therefore, the intoxicating bliss of heaven is already coursing through our veins whether we feel it or not. To feel it, we simply agree that it is true.

The Experience

Here’s a simple, fun way to help our minds get out of the way:
Jesus said that if we come to Him and drink, we will never thirst again, but out of our belly will flow rivers of Living Water. (John 7:37-39) He also turns water into wine. (John 2) He also said that if we want to inherit the Kingdom of God, we must become like children. (Matthew 18:3) Bear with me here, but what I gather from these scriptures is that there is actually a river of life flowing out from me all the time. I also believe this river of life is actually the intoxicating pleasures of heaven – Christ Himself. The same intoxicating bliss is already coursing through my veins all the time.
Now this may seem silly, but I encourage you to try it. Become like a child. Imagine a river of extremely potent wine pouring out of your tummy. Then hold your hand up like you’re holding a cup. The cup is really there, even though it’s invisible. The river is really flowing although, it too, is invisible. Now dip your cup in your river, filling it up. And drink it. That simple act actually takes faith to do. You wouldn’t even try it if you don’t believe there isn’t some possibility it would work. Your belief will affect what you experience.
The truth is that you are seated in heaven right now. You are in Christ. He is in You. You are in union with God with absolutely no separation at all – regardless of your actions or behavior. You are eternally united to the Godhead. This truth is irreversible. In the Person of Jesus, God and Humanity were married. You cannot be separated from him and His opinion of you never changes. Jesus is God’s opinion of you. When He sees you, He sees his own reflection. You are absolutely innocent. The Law was fulfilled in Christ and He has done what you could never do. He destroyed the charges stacked against you when he was nailed to the cross. He who knew no sin became sin. And as sin, He died, thus destroying sin. You’re free.

FOT13 - LUG "E" is connected to SOCKETHOLE " F"

Feast of Tabernacles - George H. Warnock
 

CHAPTER 8 - TABERNACLES - THE FEAST OF UNITY
An Introduction To Tabernacles

And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, the branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days... Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths..." (Lev. 23:40, 42).

In the Feast of Tabernacles we have a beautiful picture of the unity of the Saints. On this notable occasion every Israelite must leave his place of dwelling, his farm, his flocks, his place of business--and assemble together in the streets of Jerusalem or along the highways, and dwell for seven days in the humble little booths which they were to construct with branches and willows and boughs of trees. They all had one common purpose in mind, to keep the Feast of the Lord in its season, and to celebrate the ingathering of their wines and oils. And if some would fear lest the enemy would attack their homes during their absence and take away their property, God promised that obedience to this ritual would be their safeguard. "Neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the Lord thy God thrice in the year." (Ex. 34:24).

Lug E is connected to Sockethole F  The TABERNACLE as BY IKEA.

If the saints of God could only see the glory of the Feast of Tabernacles which even now looms before us, they could not possibly be in doubt or fear concerning their little fenced plots of sectarianism and division; and they would joyfully assemble together in the streets of Jerusalem and keep this glorious Feast. Let us be assured of this, our only safeguard rests in obedience to the Lord and a willingness to follow in the path which He shall choose for us. And if God reveals, as He does in this present hour, that the Body of Christ is being firmly knit together by the Spirit to form a vital, living organism, operating in the power of the Holy Spirit--then obedience to that revelation is all that matters. God will look after our property; our pet doctrines, our theories, our little churches, our opinions, our ambitions, and so forth. If any of these are of God, He will preserve them for us; if not, then who is concerned about maintaining them?

What then is involved in the revelation of the Body of Christ? Briefly and simply it is this: that henceforth we must learn to minister and function as members of that Body, and not as members of a sect or a denomination. In other words, we must recognize that the Body of Christ is a spiritual organism, whose Head is in Heaven, and whose very life and being is in the Holy Spirit Himself. If any individual or group of individuals is unwilling to recognize the Holy Spirit as the life of the Body, and His ministries as the faculties of the Body, then a "sect" is born. The word "sect" from the original Greek means 'opinion', 'sentiment', 'party'. Therefore it is quite possible to have non-sectarian sects, as well as sectarian sects. That is to say, it is not necessary to belong to a religious system in order to be a "sect." There are many sects who loudly denounce the whole ecclesiastical system--but they themselves are the most sectarian of any. To be a member of a "sect" all one has to do is to refuse to recognize the ministries which God is raising up and setting in their place in the Body of Christ. To be non-sectarian it is not sufficient to withdraw from the maze of religious schemes abroad in the world today; but we must become a vital member in the Body of Christ, functioning according to the power of the Holy Spirit, and in the place and ministry which God has ordained for us in the Body.

IS THIS UNITY POSSIBLE?

It is amazing how unbelieving a believer can become. One might as well call Christ a liar, and his apostles false witnesses of God, as to deny that God is going to have a Body functioning in absolute unity of the Spirit, with each member in his proper place, and all members working together as one harmonious whole. Here again, there is only one reason why "believers" refuse to believe it, and it is because we have never seen it either in our own experience 

There are many sects who loudly denounce the whole ecclesiastical system--but they themselves are the most sectarian of any.

 or in the history of the Church, and it is scarcely visible in the days of the early apostolic Church. When will the saints of God realize that the sins of Israel are recorded in the Word "to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted" (1 Cor. 10:6). The story of strife and division and corruption that is recorded in God's Word concerning God's people is for one purpose, namely, that we should not follow in their pathway of disobedience. And the Church's long and bitter history of disunity and strife does not prove that God's Word means disunity when it speaks of unity. If God said it, it is going to come to pass; and if Jesus prayed for it, not all the devices of Satan can prevent the glorious fulfillment of that prayer of faith.

THE INTERCESSION OF CHRIST

Let us examine briefly John 17, where we have the request of the Son of God for this vital union among the saints:

"Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are..."

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."

Surely this marvelous prayer needs little comment. The unity for which Christ prayed, and which the Father is duty-bound to create, is going to be fulfilled. It is a unity both inexpressible and exquisite: "Even as we are one..." As surely as the Father tabernacles in the Son, speaking through Him, thinking through Him, walking in Him, working with Him... so shall it be in the Sons of God. They shall have "the mind of Christ," and therefore they shall be "perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment" (1 Cor. 1:10; 2:16). The many members shall function as the members of the human body, in unity and harmony of purpose (1 Cor. 12:13, 14). They shall "be like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind" (Phil. 2:2). They shall have the mind in them "which was also in Christ Jesus" (Phil. 2:5). Unthinkable! Yes, but God is able to do exceeding and abundantly above all that we can ask or think!

THE MEANS TO THIS END

It is because such a measure of unity and harmony is so positively beyond us, and almost inconceivable, that men refuse to believe it is possible. And of course, it is impossible. But with God "all things are possible." Let us not limit the Holy One of Israel. For God has established a sure and a certain means by which this inexpressible unity is going to be brought into being, even the ministries of "apostles, ...prophets, ...evangelists, ...pastors, ...teachers." These are given, we are told, "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,..." Step by step the work is brought to pass: the ministries perfect the saints, and they in turn are empowered "for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ; till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" (Eph. 4:13). Thank God the hour is at hand when this glorious unity for which Christ prayed, and for which He ascended on high and bestowed gifts unto men, is about to be manifested. Ministries are being raised up and established in the Body of Christ--and these constitute Christ's love-gift to the Church for their perfection. Will they bring this unity to pass? To doubt it is to doubt God's Word. It is not a case of rejecting man, because of his faults and failures; but to reject the God-ordained ministry is to reject God who gave him. Many would much rather prefer to perfect themselves through prayer, fasting, reading the Word, and so forth. These, of course, all have their place, and will do much to prepare the heart and soul. But in themselves they will not produce this perfection. God has ordained ministries in the Body by which this perfection shall come to pass. To refuse the ministries, then, is to say to Christ: "I don't need your Ascension Gifts. I prefer to be perfected some other way."

WHAT ARE THE SIGNS OF CHRIST'S MINISTERS?

The sincere saints of God are being subjected to a great test; of that there is no question. For they are being called upon to receive God's ministers on the one hand, and to refuse the false minister on the other hand. And in this great hour when God is establishing His ministries in the Body of Christ, Satan is likewise sending forth His ministers of light; and we must learn to discern the true from the false. Truly the saints are like the multitudes over whom Christ yearned in the days of His earthly ministry--for He beheld them as sheep having no shepherd. Yes, there were Scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees, men who loved to wear the garb of religion, and say long prayers, and receive greetings in the marketplace, and to be called "Father," and receive the applause of men. But there were no true shepherds. Even Paul in his day was forced to testify: "For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's" (Phil. 2:21). It is therefore with the greatest concern and tenderness that the Holy Spirit doth now raise up true ministers in the Body of Christ to establish the saints, and to lead them in the path of righteousness. And though it might be difficult for us to discern the true from the false, if we will pay good heed to God's Word, and the pattern of the true minister as outlined therein, we shall not go astray. Here are a few ways and means by which we shall be able to discern the true from the false:

THE TRUE MINISTER WILL LOVE THE FLOCK

The good shepherd, Jesus tells us, will be prepared to lay down his life for the sheep. (Jn. 10:11). In this hour of comparative security and ease, there are thousands of hirelings ruling over the sheep. But let persecution come our way, or let some difficulty arise in the assembly that is apt to prove dangerous to the minister,--and the hireling will flee because he is a hireling and careth not for the sheep. But the true shepherd will lay down his life for the sheep.

THE TRUE MINISTER WILL NOT BE COVETOUS

The size of the congregation, the amount of money one is to receive, the kind of place a man will have to live in--these will not matter to the true minister. He will as readily preach to the ones and the twos, as to the hundreds and thousands. And if necessary, he will work with his own hands to sustain himself, rather than burden the flock. Paul said, "I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound..." (Phil. 4:12). Very few "know how to abound." Riches have deceived many and ruined their ministry. The true minister, as a pattern of the flock, must know how to suffer hardship in times of difficulty, and to use the world without "abusing it" in times of plenty.

THE TRUE MINISTER WILL SHOW THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT

Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." We must admit there is a woeful lack of the real fruit of the Spirit everywhere; but it is beginning, nevertheless, to become manifest in those who are going on with God. And this fruit shall be the final test: "Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith (fulness), meekness, temperance (self-control)..." (Gal. 5:22, 23).

THE TRUE MINISTER SHALL NOT SEEK HIS OWN GLORY

"He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true..." (Jn. 7:18). It is usually not difficult to discern whether the minister is taking the glory unto himself, or ascribing all the glory unto Christ. The true minister will exalt Christ, and Christ only; and not merely with lipservice, but from the heart.

THE TRUE MINISTER SHALL DISCERN THE BODY

He shall recognize the ministries which God is beginning, and will continue, to establish in the Church. God is going to vindicate his true ministers so that there will be no confusion in the minds of those who are really seeking to follow the Lord. The ministries will be contested, as with any ministry God ever established in Old Testament or New. They contested the authority of Moses, of Aaron, of Elijah, of Elisha, of David, of Solomon, of Jeremiah, of all the prophets, and of Christ Himself. But God vindicated them all in one way or another--and in such a manner that the people feared God, knowing that of a truth they were His chosen. The ministries will not be established by self-appointment, nor by human-appointment, but by Divine Appointment; their word shall be with power and authority, and not as the Scribes; and the servants of Christ shall recognize and acknowledge them.

Are you aware that there may not be" one day of Tabernacles?"( The Hayling Station Theatre and John 7 post)

by Chris Welch on Wednesday, 19 October 2011 at 10:24 on Facebook

Cycling back from leaving the car with a garage, I passed the Station Theatre Hayling. And was thinking this. Outsiders, seeing  an advert for a play would be misled by a wrong image of the venue. Not so, right? So, it'll be a bunch of adhoc strolling players on a station platform between trains?

Hmm. Except you'd have a very long play. There are no trains. You see the former Hayling Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqHDoF2hO-Y
stopped running in 1963. The terminus station in West Town was the plot of land that is now Station Theatre which is where the local Am Dram players tread the boards.

And I got to thinking unless you've got local knowledge, you can't half be misled.

Modern Christians hardly understand that Christianity comes out of Judaism. Those that do usually haven't much actual Spirit revelation. Jews themselves have a lot of "local knowledge" of the Bible and background because many are still living it,(see my latest blogpost the "True Sukkot"), but they don't know Jesus, so they only understand something of the outer forms. Those Jews that have come to know the Messiah usually understand Jesus the Passover Lamb, and Jesus the Baptiser in the Spirit (the fulfilment of Pentecost), but I am not sure I have met one yet who understands what product Jesus was really importing when He came to earth.

Pentecostals are terrors! They go brandishing their revelation on all and sundry and everything in the New Testament has to be bashed into place, hammered down here, hammered down there, squeezed in a bit there, twisted a bit there...and   "AAAAAh ! That's better....raise your hands, shout whoop whoop, speak in tongues, get saved from hell and Bob's yer uncle! Anybody spare me a tithe while I race round the Earth holding crusades?"

Unless we "get" the Jewish Feasts we really haven't a clue about what Jesus was doing.
I mean, according to Anglican,Baptist,Charismatic,Catholic ,Network Church,Terry Virgo, Alan Vincent it is normal for a Spirit filled man of God as in John 7:37-38, to go into the centre of a busy city like Guildford, UK,and shout by the Spirit at the top of your lungs  "
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

May I just suggest quietly that while this may be in your soulwinner's Guide, and it may still work in Africa before the novelty wears off, in Britain it will be regarded alongside nervous ticks, and compulsive speech like Tourette's Syndrome.

A Pentecostal hasn't got time for learning the whole picture because the world has to be saved by lunchtime! So he or she is rushing around convinced that any talk of the Holy Spirit, and Water, and Living Waters is to do with a Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and running meetings at this feverishly high pace before the anointing wears off!

Here's where the local knowledge comes in.
John 7: 37-38  performs exactly the same function as the verse Catholics have messed up here in this chapter:
Luke 22:7  Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.....
:19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”  20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Luke 22 actually was the final feast Jesus celebrated with them, which was Passover. But as those words left Jesus's lips He was, by the Spirit within Him kicking off the ONE TRUE PASSOVER that has ever existed.  How awesome is that? To go  from virtual rehearsal mode, as had been done in exactly the same way since the celebration began in real time as the Israelites left Egypt.....to the TOTAL REALITY of it, by just speaking into existence by the Spirit, those very words.
From the moment He uttered them,the machinery started working...it was only a matter of time before the authorities would come for him, via Judas who kicked off from that very moment!

So back to John 7. Jesus "went up in secret" to this Feast. What was this Feast?
"Please sir, please sir,me , me, "
Pentecostals, put your hand down! You are wrong. It's not Pentecost.
 It's the Feast of Tabernacles which is being held right now in Israel and among Jews everywhere.
Now in John 7, Jesus did not spend the whole chapter in Tourette's mode, just as He never stood on a table at Passover screaming as loud as He could to the disciples..."This is My Body".

But in verse 37-38 of John 7  He was loud.

Why?   Because this is the FINALE of all 3 Feasts in the Jewish year. This is the denouement! This is what all the agricultural year has been about. This is the Harvest of Harvests. This is the Feast of Ingathering of all that has been sown. This is the Day of the Early Rains which kicks off another year's sowing with the seed that you have just gathered. This is the loudest Feast there is in Israel. This is the Feast Day of the Pouring of the water. This is when Jews freak out! This is a Feast of Total Joy. This is a Feast, apart from wedding celebrations, which gave birth to the clarinet, which  gave birth to the inspiration of a whole ton of music in the world. This is the feast when Jews link hands and dance and dance and dance.

It was loud. Jesus had to shout!
It was in context!
He is that Final Feast.
He is the completion, the capstone that gets shouted to: "Grace to it , grace to it!"

We see a Pentecost version of what the Fulness of Tabernacles is on the Day of Pentecost BECAUSE
while the 3,000 were crashing the gates of the Kingdom in Acts 2, in a kind of "Feast of Ingathering "type of way, which is very much a Feast of Tabernacles concept....

ONLY the 12 apostles at that point were packed with FEAST OF TABERNACLES revelation of Christ in them as them,the rest of the 3000 had to learn it....but they probably got about 10 years download of revelation on that one day.
So for the 3000, it was Pentecost.Pentecost outside as a Jewish Festival, and Pentecost as an inundation of God's Spirit which we experience as Baptism in the Holy Spirit.For the apostles, it was the first culmination of a whole lot of "inner celebration" that had taken place living with Jesus for 3 years.So for them, it was like a living enactment of the Feast of Tabernacles. All the components were there. And so the seedtime harvest cycle kicked off in the Kingdom of God. One generations Tabernacles giving birth to another generation's Passover and Pentecost...

Ever wheels within wheels that Ezekiel saw in his vision.

Hmmm. But consider this!
There's a DAY of Passover. The angel passed over Israel in one day as they left Egypt.Jesus died on ONE DAY.
There's a Day of Pentecost. You are baptised in the Spirit in one "beginning" experience of a whole load!
But Tabernacles is a 7 DAY FEAST.  It's a PERIOD!  For the apostles it was until they were brutally murdered.Martyred.

Consider this too. Jesus lived thirty years of Tabernacle Life. For this is the other side of Tabernacles. Once you have been made aware of the glories of heaven, it seems like God pares away at your whole existence to remove everything but what is essential. Your life is reduced to a booth of His indwelling. Were His life not real, it would be most unsatisfactory. However the Cross, your awakening to your own Death in Him 2000 years ago, and His subsequent resurrection in you, His coming in you, is so satisfactory....you begin to develop a genuine form of Tourette's just like Jesus had in John 7: 37-8.   Wow, God You are amazing!...Whoop whoop

Just one thing though. This isn't an anointing that wears off. It comes from your own belly now, like a permanent roar!
Jesus is LORD. Jesus is ALIVE. Jesus is in ME NOW! Look out world!

The other side of Tabernacles....remember  "there was evening, there was morning, the first day." God begins His days in the evening!!!  The other side of Tabernacles, like in the wilderness, was experienced in His 40 days of temptation in th Wilderness. And as we subsequently find in our lives, especially after the baptism in the Holy Spirit...

OUR WAY OUT of this seemingly crazy existence is by WORD forming on our insides, which we declare and confess with our lips. Jesus was tested after 40 days, when He hungered. After 40 days this is a different form of hunger. This is when your fat reserves have been gone through, now your body starts to break down vital organs to live from. Your own cannibalism begins!!!! But in this weakness Word formed on His insides which He declared back at the devil's 3 main areas of  provocation.

I am aware that Pentecostals and charismatics just wont get this article because they fit the whole of life into a 2 layer approach: Repent, Be filled with the Spirit. PERIOD.

But Jesus throws the whole thing by living for 30 years doing nothing too special and then getting baptised in the Spirit at His water baptism in Jordan. No Pentecoastal has an answer for that one. Just an embarrassing silence. Because as we all know Jesus should have been racing round Israel long before this at least with tracts, if He couldn't do anything else.

But a Pentecostal "doesnt get" just being. He doesn't understand Genesis 3 and how "just being" was twisted completely for all time. So Jesus just living as "the Son of Man", just being, remaining in the Father....was HUUUUUUGE!
Forget the tracts. Forget the high street paraphernalia. Forget that loud brash voice you regale everyone with.
Jesus spent 30 years just BEING in the Father.
AND THEN HE WAS ANOINTED FOR MINISTRY!   And that was only a limited LICENSE. The God, who at the right hand of the Father had been Wisdom at the very birth of Creation....was now, a man, at last baptised in the Spirit,
but given less territory than Morris Cerullo,Benny Hinn or Rheinhard Bonnke. He was only sent to preach to Israel.

Well that's a rum do!. The Father couldn't like Jesus very much!

No. Primarily just BEING in the Father is enough. Then receiving an anointing to be able to impart that BEING is quite enough, even on a local scale.

But you see, that's not really what Rheinhard Bonnke, Morris Cerullo and Benny Hinn are exporting is it? There's not much talk of" being" at all.
Because BEING is a Tabernacle revelation.

Francois DuToit and Andre Rabe are being used incredibly to provide the Body with keys about "BEING". I think it is fair to say that neither of them have a clue what they are doing in Tabernacle terms. The Jewish Feasts are pretty unknown to them. In fact they are more about "leaving the elementary things " of Feasts and ceremonial washings and dumping every last shred of religion, and pressing into the INNER FORM which is Christ.

Except that the Jewish Feasts were not a product of a man's mind or a committee. Those celebrating the original versions didn't really have a clue what they were doing it for. David meditated for hours about it all in the Tabernacle as it says in Psalms.  Moses fasted not 40 days, but 80 days. The last 40 were supernatural!
He was face to face with God when He instituted the Tabernacle and the Feasts, which were just outer poor copies of what God has always been about:
Moving HEAVEN into flesh BODIES.
First Jesus, the Firstborn of Many Brethren.

The problem with having no knowledge about a subject.....say for instance the position of the Earth in the Universe. The problem isn't that we don't know that the sun is actually at the centre of our solar system and we, as planets, cycle round it. The problem is that the space that should have been filled with true knowledge gets filled with junk. So when the true knowledge comes along, we have no space for it. So we say..."no...you are wrong....as everyone knows the sun goes round the earth. The Earth is the centre of all things."

Jesus says, "In my house are many mansions." We say," No there's not, there's one. Salvation."
A Pentecostal sidles up and butts in, as they do, "No there's two mansions. Salvation and Baptism in the Spirit."
Others join until there is a loud roar. Someone else comes up "Ummmm. There's at least 3, possibly more. Think about the Jewish feasts. Or the 3 growth stages of a butterfly."
"Oh, just go away will you, you're making things far too complicated. There's just Jesus."

We have routinely "missed" every new revealtion coming out of heaven, and the earth is scattered with empty shells of inadequate believing systems called churches, all paid for at great expense in previous centuries, out of people's enforced "tithes". All now derelict, empty, or  Turkish Carpet shops.

Just how long are we going to pursue God in this crazy way? Missing Him with each new generational revelation?

Coming Out of Darkness Part 12 by Gary Sigler

Coming Out of Darkness Part 12

by Gary Sigler on Friday, 01 April 2011 at 16:09

The Kingdom Within



The concept of God that we have been taught in the system of Christianity is, for the most part, a wrong concept. We have been taught that God is "way out there"somewhere

in another realm called heaven, and that if we accept Jesus and do the best we can, God will bless us and we will go to heaven when we die. We are not taught how to live by the Spirit of God that is within us.


The religious system has taught us always to seek God in an outward way for our needs. This has given us a false concept of God. This has caused us to seek everything of God as thoughit were outside of us. We think that by all kinds of religious activity, what we need will come into us and bless us, or heal us, or prosper us. In actuality, everything that God i

s is already within us, waiting for us to discover the truth that God in us is sufficient to meet every need. CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY.


We have a "Santa Claus God". God does not withhold His blessings from anyone at any time.He makes His rain to fall on the just and the unjust. Whenever we ask God toheal us or prosper us, we have a wrong concept. What we are saying is,"God, You have all these good things and are withholding them from me." If you do not think God has all these things that He is not givingyou, why would you ask Him for them? If it were true that God was withholding something from you, you could not get Him to change His mind by begging, crying or pleading. We cannot bribe God by our Bible reading, praying, crying, fasting, our goodness -- or anything else that we might try. The only hope we have is in discovering the truth of what Jesus taught:

"The Kingdom of God is within you"
(Luke 17:21). Jesus said in John
7:38, "He that believes in me, out of his innermost being will flow rivers of living water." In John 4:14, He said "He that drinks of the water that I give him, it shall be in him a well of water springing up into eternal life."



To have a proper concept of these things, we must realize who and where

Christ is. The word Christ means "God’s anointed". Jesus was called the Christ. As the Christ,He was the fullness of God. Colossians 2:9 says, in the Amplified version,

"For in Him the whole fullness of Deity (the Godhead) continues to dwell in bodily form -- giving complete expression to the Divine nature." I don’t think any of us would have a problem believing that, but we have never been taught the next verse:

"And you are in Him, made full and have come

to fullness of life -- in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead: Father, Son
and Holy Spirit, and reach full spiritual stature." Ephesians 1:23
(Amplified) speaks of the Church,
"Which is His body, the fullness

of Him Who fills all in all -- for in that body lives the full measure of Him

who makes everything complete, and Who fills everything everywhere [with
Himself]."After meditating and praying over these verses for some time, we will begin to have some understanding of how to fellowship with God. We will have our concept changed about how we are to pray. When we go to God, we won’t ask for so many things.
We will begin to realize that Christ is the fullness of God, and Christ in all His fullness is now being poured out from within us. God is at all times pouring His Spirit out, filling everything everywhere with Himself. When we see someone in lack or in need, instead of asking and begging God to meet that need, we realize that in us dwells the fullness of God to meet that need. We turn to the Spirit of God within us and we realize that "I and my Father are one"

"He that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit with the Lord"
(1 Cor. 6:17). So from(John 10:30), and

within me, from within my spirit, I release the ability of God to go forth and

do His will. My prayer then becomes not an asking of God, but a realizing of
His ability within me to meet the needs of others.



God’s desire is not that we ask Him to heal the sick and bless with finances or supply whatever the need, but that we yield our bodies to Him. He desires to fill us and flow through us to meet the needs of humanity. God's desire is to flow through a many-membered body with all of His

riches in glory. There is no greater joy in all the earth than being filled with God’s presence and then sensing that presence flow out of you and into someone else, meeting their need. Paul told

the Ephesians that the Church is His body, of His flesh and of His bones (Eph. 5:29-30). God fills us with Himself so that we become channels of blessing to the whole world. When you pray, seek after God and His wisdom. Seek Him for His light and glory to be revealed in you. Hunger and thirst after His presence, so that you may experience His resurrection power coming alive in you, enabling you to do the works of God.


What a joy it is when you begin to understand that everything of God that you have been seeking is on the inside of you, just waiting to be revealed. Then is fulfilled those words
of old,

"Arise and shine; for your light is come, and the glory of

the Lord has risen upon you" (Isaiah 60:1).

As I was sitting in the quiet one day, the Lord spoke this to me:

"I am not withholding

anything from anyone at any time. I am always pouring forth My Life, love,

healing and blessings. I am your life, your healing, blessing, or whatever you

need. When you are set free from something or healed, it is not because I have

suddenly changed toward you and decided to bless you. It is because you have

changed toward Me, or opened to Me and come into My light. It is that which has

allowed My Life to flow out from your innermost being to meet your need.

Everything that you need is in My Spirit dwelling within you. You need not

reach out to Me in an outward way, but turn within and contact My Spirit within

you; then I will flow from your innermost being to meet your need. He that

believes in Me, out of his innermost being will flow living water that will

bring healing and deliverance wherever it flows. There is nothing in this

universe that can hinder you except your belief in another power to do so. I am

God, and besides Me there is no God who can hinder you, no other power able to

stop you. I am constantly filling everything everywhere with Myself. Open to the

flowing of My Spirit within you, and I will flow into your mind and r

enew it

into My mind. I will flow into your will and subdue it, and make it altogether

pliable to do My will. I will flow into your emotion, so that My Love will flow

out of you. Stop having faith in the power of evil to hinder you. I do not

withhold from one and give to another. I am always so available, so rich, and

so free -- just like the air that you breathe. Come to Me and I will rest you.
I live and move and have My being within you."




Many people are hungry today to see God. The Word teaches us that we are the visible expression of the invisible God. You or I may be the only expression of God that people see. We

need to seek God until we can say with the Apostle Paul,

"I live; yet not I, but Christ lives within me, and the life I now live in the flesh I
live by the faith of the Son of God" (Gal. 2:20). God is a Spirit,

and by consecrating our bodies to Him, He is localized within us and can flow
to the world.

Many today seek to see Jesus in His physical form. However, if you were to see Jesus without coming to realize that you too are to be a son of God, then seeing Him might not help you all that much in a practical way. Romans 8:29 says that

Jesus was the firstborn among many brethren.
Knowledge vs. ExperienceLet’s look again at Ephesians 4:17-18.


"This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord,

that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their

mind, having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God

through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their
heart."This is where most of the Church has been for two thousand years. A great mistake we have made is in being satisfied with good teaching alone. We think that because we know something of God intellectually, we have it. I know that God is in me; I know that Jesus lives in me; I know that I am the visible expression of the invisible God. Because we know these things, most of the time we settle for that knowledge without having the experience of it being made real in our lives. We must begin to enter into the experience of being the visible expression of the invisible God. We fail to seek for these things because of wrong concepts. I was taught as a young Christian that I should not seek for experience, that I should just accept everything without accompanying feeling. Now, I realize that natural feelings can get us into trouble, but to not feel and experience spiritual things means that you do not have real faith.
Faith will produce feelings. If we know something only intellectually, without th

e experience, it does not do us much good. The Word of God tells us of many wonderful things that belong to the one who has received God. If we never experience them, then what good are they? Paul says that

we are seated with Christ in heavenly places
(Eph. 2:6). We should hunger after God until we walk in the reality of this, and not think that we have it just because we know it.

Our knowledge of the Word must become experiential. There is nothing wrong w

ith knowledge. To know that Jesus lives in us is wonderful. To know that we are filled with His Spirit is also wonderful. The problem comes when we settle for only the knowledge, instead of seeking God for the reality. The Apostle Paul told the Corinthians, "Knowledge puffs up, but Love builds up"
(1 Cor. 8:1). Knowledge in itself can be very satisfying. Many Christians today Picture by Carlos Iggy Shelton on his Online discernmentalist mafia spoof site are very satisfied with their knowledge of God. Some have great knowledge of the Word, and have become teachers without the experience. William Law said many years ago, in his book
"The Power of the Spirit", that we are foolish to think that we can

go to Bible School and learn how to put off Adam and put on Christ. You cannot

know in reality what you have not experienced. Many today have been raised in

Church and know all about Jesus being the Savior of the world, but they have
never experienced His life-giving power to change their lives.

I said for years that "Jesus lives in me", yet I had very little experience of that knowledge. I was taught in Pentecost that because I spoke in tongues, I was filled with the Holy Spirit. I used to ask God, "If I am filled with the Holy Spirit, why am I so ungodly and doing so many things that are contrary to a Holy Spirit?" The Christian religious system is so full of confusion.

That is why Revelation calls her "Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots" (Rev. 17:5). Babylon means confusion. There is

no hope

for that religious system. The only thing we can do is scrap it. That is why Revelation says, "Come out of her, my people"
(Revelation 18:4). It cannot be fixed.



Paul says we are "alienated from the life of God through ignorance" (Eph. 4:18). Ignorance does not mean stupidity. Ignorance simply means that you do not know. I was a Christian many years in ignorance. I did not know that I could experience the quickening, life-giving Spirit of God in me to bring me into the reality of what I knew. You can have a lot of Bible knowledge and still be ignorant. We have also been taught a great deal of ignorance in Christianity. We are taught defeat and failure. We are taught how powerful the devil is and how he can defeat us. We are not taught that it is possible in this life to walk as Jesus walked. The Word clearly reveals that not only is it possible, but God expects us to mix faith with His Word and make it real in our lives.

The Word says, "He that abides in Him ought to walk even as He walked" (1 John 2:6). If we are not walking as Jesus walked, then we need to seek Him until His Spirit arises in us.

These verses are talking to "Being alienated

from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the

blindness of their heart" Eph 4:18 us, the present day people of God! We have had our understanding darkened to the abundant life that God has made available to us through Jesus.

Jesus did not go to the cross only so you could die and go to heaven. He died that you "might have life and that more abundantly" (John 10:10). The Life of God lies dormant within us. When that Life begins to function, we begin to change. We don’t try to change; it is a natural process of His Life coming alive within us. The Apostle Paul said that we

should be constantly transformed from one degree of glory to another (2
Cor. 3:18). To be continued

Apostle-ibly?

Norman Grubb made it clear that apostles were just "father level" ministries.Apostles are not church builders as is meant commonly here and in America. We use the term to mean people who can establish structured churches, installing a CEO pastor as head submitting to a "man's apostleship".
Real apostles just reproduce Christ in other believers. Such that they believe and walk in the knowledge that they are Christ as them.
When real apostles establish churches, they "pin" people down in the Spirit to believing that their local church is The Church in that locality, as per Watchman Nee. You can have many local churches in the same area....but ofcourse they will have a different location or street. Their function or calling will be designated by God in every case....but nevertheless they are the Church.

The walk of faith is
- "pinned down"
- is specific.
-Is the Kingdom of heaven fixed covenantally, tethered covenantally to the Earth in the hearts of believers.

Right now, we are Christ going on as individuals.
Right now we are the only one Church going on as a group of believers.

This specificity marked the callings and ministries of Ern Baxter, Ed Miller,and Jorge Pradas.
It is debatable whether the more general leadership in this country is tied down enough in their specificity.

Remember...faith is specific. It is believing the precise thing God says about us. Muzziness
does not work. It's the difference between Portmouth UK mooting the eventual possibility of a monorail round the bay....
and John F Kennedy saying "In 10 years we will have someone on the moon!" Only one of these has taken place!
Dan Bowen was decrying the passing of various "apostolic" leaders from the 70s, wondering who was going to take their place. Somewhat stirred I wrote this in his comment section.

You and I believe totally different about this. You are still at home in teaching houses that call themselves churches. So by that criteria Tony Morton Bryn Jones and Terry Virgo are apostles.

The revelation handed down to us in the scriptures is all we have. So we can only go on what is there and what isn't there.

By virtue of his authority people like St Paul DID DO long teaching sessions to which everyone listened. We know that because someone fell out of the window and had to be brought back to life.

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Chris said...
A safer view of ministries has been stated by Ed Miller who helped father the 50s Argentine breakthrough, and various subsequent moves. He talks of them as taxi drivers.Taxi drivers to the throne of God. Once they have done their task, they actually have less relevance. The end goal of ministry being to reproduce Christ in others.
03 February, 2008 10:18

Dan Bowen said...
Thanks Chris that is a really helpful view of ministries that I haven't really considered before. "Taxi drivers" to the throne. I like it. Lots. The suggestion then (although you didn't say it) is that it is healthy and fitting for ministries once they have completed their God-given task to step aside and fade into other duties, maybe not so prominent. And then as you say - allow other ministries to step forward and continue leading.

It is an incredibly wise and experienced and brave man I think who can walk in intimacy with God so much that he knows when he has had his time in the limelight and it is now time to walk with God behind the scenes. Such is the "heady wine" of conference platforms and prominence.

Maybe if more ministries could grasp that concept then spiritual casualties would be less.

04 February, 2008 00:47

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So I am not saying that what Bryn,Terry and Tony did is not a part of it. But it is essential that you get around some third levellers, more like Ern himself. because at the moment you describe all these figures as if they are in some way equal. They are not at all equal. You cannot put these three in the same category at all.
All three are more like superwarmed up Baptist preachers and teachers with a human capacity for organising structures like administrators.

An apostle is something in the spirit or nothing at all. He leaves behind him a trail of
self-standing people who themselves reproduce the same Word that they have eaten

I'm sorry, but this is NOT true of Terry, Bryn and Tony.

As a first generation thing of people finding their way in the religious darkness left in its wake by nearly apostate churches throughout Britain, God has honoured them and continues to honour their advances.

But unlike Ern, who himself only skirted around the edges of what his private secretary George Warnock had to share with him about Galations 2:20, Bryn ,Terry and Tony only shared about the early principles of moving in the Spirit.

They have no real clue about the last session Jesus had with the disciples in John13-17.The clearer you see it in the Spirit, the clearer you will understand what has been going on in Britain, and the very real and rebellious cut off that occurred in 1979-80 when Jesus specifically brought in many thirdlevellers to share,
but it was a Kadesh Barnea moment.
At that point The UK closed its heart and became a "closed" wilderness zone...basically frozen in its level of doctrine until things started opening again, interestingly enough, roughly when you made the decision to start your blog.

While i greatly benefit from men of the calibre of Greg Haslam who came here 2 weeks ago, I can tell you really clearly Greg has no clue yet as to the existence of a third level, still preaching as they all do,
adding to your salvation with various activities that are going to make God like you more.

Terry says some great things about grace as you know....but like Greg
that's the edge of what he knows.

Whenever you talk of maturity and authority it seems to be in terms of either the amount of people that fall down at once, or to a human authority thing born of many years study. Well John Stott has tremendous intellectual clarity and authority in his studies, but where was he during the Bible Weeks?
There is only one Melchizedek order which people choose inside of themselves to be a part of or not. This is a unique form of authority which opens and closes doors in the earth. It has nothing to do with tickling the ears of Dan Bowen with yet another insight into the New Testament so he can share it on his blog.

(If you think this is unusually abrupt- I am getting the same treatment from thirdlevellers...if that means anything) End of comment.
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The truth is there are a whole host of third levellers or apostles stacked up ready right now!
You laugh.
They were there in the 40s and 50s. They were there in the 70s and 80s.
And they are there in the wings right now. Like Jesus. Knocking at your door. Patiently. It is you Church that are refusing them entrance. Because of the cost!

John 7.19If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God.... The first step is always being willing.....then the teacher appears!!!!

Life In the Melchizedek Order IV:Havant Church and electrons

This post was triggered by reading a sentence about Shakespeare in Bill Bryson's new book.Because of the scant information regarding his life"He(Shakespeare) is the literary equivalent of an electron-forever there and not there."

I was talking about this electron image to a piano client who was an electrical engineer. One of those involved with BBC transmittors at Crystal Palace in the early years.

I was saying that in time to come people would realise that spirit was the real substance, and that what we take to be real substance is really the flickering screen onto which spirit is scanned.

Jon Sidnell would be better on this. My parents pulled out of physics teaching early to avoid the new physics which was just coming in in the mid 80s. "Enough is enough"said Mum.

Basically, Schroedinger's Cat and stuff like that is about the mercurial nature of electrons. Electrons are sort of there one fraction of a second and gone the next. They behave like waves and particles...but not both....well not at the same time. Your turn Jon.........

The Melchizedek order is precisely like this.

In John 7, the brothers of Jesus said,"You coming up to the Feast(of Tabernacles) then Jesus?"

Behind that statement was a tinge. The family lore about Jesus being left behind and Mary and Joseph losing him, then Him driving them nuts by saying, "Wasn't I just in My Father's house."So they kind of knew He had this mercurial quality when it came to the fixed Jewish Festivals.

Jesus answered them "No". Then the Bible says He went up to the Feast but in secret.

He said to His brothers "Your time is always with you".

In sin life, we are rooted in this delusion of ourselves as "alone-I's" in the Universe. Gods in our own right. Choosing what we want to do. Making our own way. Doing the "best we can".

Our time is always with us. Ern Baxter describes this memorably as "All we like sheep have gone astray, turned everyone to OUR OWN WAY."He said this was the ultimate definition of sin.

Connect ourselves to God and we find we are in a very different time system. You can do more in 2 seconds under the power of the anointing than days, weeks or decades living in the flesh.As I've described before about the epilepsy incident in France, the Power of God gets behind the atoms to the spirit disorder causing it.

Yesterday on Radio 2 Roger Royle was expounding about his patron interest in epilepsy on his slot on Wogan. "Thank God",he said,"we don't believe the cause of epilepsy is evil spirits any more." Implication: those dumb ignorant gospel writers!

Well ofcourse the writers do not understand the mechanics of the brain. The truth is after nearly 100 years active research we only know a little more ourselves. We know that epilepsy is some sort of electrical storm between both hemispheres. But those who know what it is to accept Jesus into their hearts like this:

"Lord, I'm a sinner. If You are there ,save me.Come into my life and take over as Lord."

And those who know what it is to be baptised in the Spirit, by praying this prayer:"Lord I see in the scriptures that it says "For the joy set before you,You endured the cross." And this was because this gave You the legal right to baptise us/immerse us/fill us with the joy and power of Your Holy Spirit as soon as You had ascended to heaven, sharing Your holy anointing oil of Kingship with humans!" So please fill me now. And because it says if a son asks his earthly father for an egg will he give him a serpent? Implication:No. In the same way because I have asked You for the baptism in the Spirit/gift of the Spirit then I believe You are delighted to do so and have answered me. And I start praising You for it."

These are people who then understand the realities of verses like "We wrestle not against flesh and blood". And Rog, because they write that,it doesn't mean they are dumb. It means they see clearly behind every flickering electron, there is a greater spiritual reality that must be bound before anyone gets healed in any brain cells.....or any disorder anywhere for that matter.

Actually, considering the modern discoveries/theories of the quantum world of the inside of atoms and their wackiness....actually it is our modern world that is ignorant...because it still holds too great a store on what we think we can handle/touch and taste.It needs to catch up.

Anyone who has commanded a condition in the Name of Jesus and seen it instantly change, defying all natural explanation , is more likely to say "Thank God Jesus is alive today, doing what He always promised He'd do...and it is not Roger who is in charge of science or teaching in God's church."

So this post is about normal life. Normal life being crazier than we ever supposed. In other words, being chock full of substances that are supposedly there...electrons and subatomic particles...and they are there ...sometimes. But sometimes they are not. If we take a random collective estimate we can roughly tell the mass of electrons in a given volume at any one time. But quite where they will be...and where they will go. We don't know. And if we try measuring one...it just won't be there!!! Again I'm going to need help here...before I dig myself into a hole of ignorance.

So this post is talking about the Melchizedek order as being more reflective of normal life. We live and move by the Spirit of God. We cannot tell you where we will be at a given time...exactly.Our times and seasons are not in our hands. All we can tell you is that as God instructs, His house is being built...it is getting larger and more powerful by the day...and each day we are nearer fulfilling the verse "The knowledge of the glory of God shall cover the Earth as the waters cover the sea."

Every conference here in Havant has been getting looser. This Conference was probably the first that was most like a Key of David Conference. A Key of David meeting has no agenda.There is more description here. But God is the agenda. Peter Jackson was invited under the direction of God. And it was known the sort of ministry mandate he has in the Spirit. He has a schedule. He needs plane flights to and from Toronto. But when he would speak. No one knew. Everyone planned for the Friday sessions. But God said no. So it was Thursday night and Saturday morning. I think.

And because it was the right time ("when the time had fully come") when Peter spoke the Word it had a powerful powerful effect...still being felt now. So many lives were changed forever that morning.

On Friday in the worship I literally heard the sound of heavenly office furniture being dragged from one place to another. I sang "Hear the sound of the Body of Christ moving its headquarters to the rightful place...the Throne room!!!"

Because if you think about it...the Body of Christ has been trying to run the Head. Which is nuts.

And how can you tell who is running who? Because when Jesus runs stuff He has this habit of leaking the glory Presence wherever He walks. It's a sort of give-away, really....literally.

I think Thursday night, Friday, and Saturday afternoon were possibly the most incredible times we have ever had in that room, I mean in terms of worship and praise.