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Tuesday 31 March 2015
Third Level Ministry anyone?
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Well if you are Evangelical you speak authoritatively about there being a God, who loves us, and we can put our faith in Him and have a relationship with Him. Nothing wrong with that. But there will be extra baggage you are required to have as you preach. A way with words. Probably quite intellectual. Quite a formal approach.
If you are charismatic you may be forgiven more in terms of style, if you are bold enough to bring some anointing...for healing, prophesying, discerning...whatever. You will be expected to show some lineage of accreditation. Some college. Some apostolic network. You will have cleaned some loos or put out chairs somewhere. And you will have some form of revelation and teaching to impart.
But what about thirdlevellers? Well the jury is out. Not many yet are really anointed. Many have come through evangelicalism and doggedly persisted and just not accepted that evangelicalism was anywhere near what the Bible actually says in the New Testament.
I'm at the point where I have known anointing, but i am completely blase about proving anything to anyone. Why? because i was in a prototype church in Emsworth which proved beyond doubt that even if there were no Shooting Stars like Benny Hinn....if we all got stuck in as a Body, most things that we believed for, happened.
No...by far the biggest credential as a thirdleveller is "Have you consciousness?" "Do you know that you know that you know that Jesus Christ is living your life?" That's what was different when Jesus spoke. It was perceived as authority, compared say to other paid ministries in the Temple or synagogues. Well I guess it sounds like authority....but really it's inner knowing. Jesus knew He was in the Father and the Father in Him.He knew He could see what the Father was doing at any point and just get in on it. This is to be grounded in Psalm 123 as an experience not as theory. To thirdlevellers style is pretty irrelevant. We are totally unimpressed by evangelicals and charismatics....why? because they mostly still refer to God out there somewhere. They speak with a third person feel of separation. Everybody is free to talk about God separately or in Us. He is both. But somehow when a thirdleveller talks about God out there....he or she still communicates God in here. Like the burning of the heart the disciples experienced with Jesus on the Emmaus road.
To a thirdleveller everyone is an expression of God going on....so they are very matter of fact about the whole concept of Galatians 2:20. It just IS SO. Others have the problem. For others it is not yet true....but it is ofcourse. It happened 2000 years ago. You just don't know it yet....but you will....and in so doing you will pass through exactly the same things we have. You are no different. And you won't like it either. But once you have it as consciousness, you too will be glad that God allowed you to be "roughed up".
Evangelicalism is the conviction of God's reality and the faith that Jesus died, really died for you.
The charismatic realm is the confidence that the Hoy Ghost's power is upon you to do things you could never do.
The thirdlevel realm is the confidence that the Overcomer....Jesus...is living your life NOW through every obstacle. The other two realms, outside meetings, still manipulate life so that it sort of works.
Preachers send their children to Rothschild schools of learning to fast track them.
Women still plaster themselves in expensive adornments so that they can be on God TV and sell their DVDs
Men and women still work for Rothschild companies and wriggle-ass themselves up the greasy poles to get all the choice posts
In thirdlevel land you realise Jesus is YOUR LIFE and He doesn't manipulate humanly....but He speaks WORD from out of your being and begins performing that work in Romans 8....setting your immediate surroundings free as sons of God that are beginning to come "into their own".
Monday 30 March 2015
Discrediting the idea of Christian community
Please be aware that Bugbrook, Waco and Jonesville HAD to be discredited.
In 1972 we fell in love with each other. BIG TIME. People all over the world. NOPE. This wasn't Hippies. That was 5 or 6 years earlier. No....this was far more dangerous to the New World Order. Thousands upon endless thousands were baptised in the Spirit that year. My wife was in Alfreton and set about leading her school to Jesus. Me too in Amersham.
My friend too...in High Wycombe. I didn't know Christine....but those who did know each other fell in love....enough to be in each others' houses continually. My High Wycombe friend joined Bugbrooke (Jesus Army) and this was the subject of the TV programme in the 70s, which led to the discrediting programme in the 90s. The precise week I joined Emsworth Church and then Bible House community Jim Jones was getting everyone to drink cyanide.So imagine....my Mum was in her car straight away to check our own community immediately. Both Jonesville and Waco it turns out were CIA jobs. Bugbrooke was the sort of midlife crisis of "rattling bones".....the sort that the disciples actually managed to live right through with Jesus and come out the other side. But one thing is for sure....House of Rothschild will not tolerate Christians behaving like Acts 2. Churches as we have them now, he will put up with and seek to secretly subvert with false agents....but if enough people start living life as the Body of Christ....that spells Termination for their entire project. Non christians are superb. They all live separately like hamsters in cages, content to work their workaday existence, never asking questions and believing everything in the Rothschild owned media....but Christians....giving freely to each other....well that messes the whole tax collection system via City of London and the Vatican. And that just cannot happen.
Bugbrooke or Jesus Army today
In 1972 we fell in love with each other. BIG TIME. People all over the world. NOPE. This wasn't Hippies. That was 5 or 6 years earlier. No....this was far more dangerous to the New World Order. Thousands upon endless thousands were baptised in the Spirit that year. My wife was in Alfreton and set about leading her school to Jesus. Me too in Amersham.
My friend too...in High Wycombe. I didn't know Christine....but those who did know each other fell in love....enough to be in each others' houses continually. My High Wycombe friend joined Bugbrooke (Jesus Army) and this was the subject of the TV programme in the 70s, which led to the discrediting programme in the 90s. The precise week I joined Emsworth Church and then Bible House community Jim Jones was getting everyone to drink cyanide.So imagine....my Mum was in her car straight away to check our own community immediately. Both Jonesville and Waco it turns out were CIA jobs. Bugbrooke was the sort of midlife crisis of "rattling bones".....the sort that the disciples actually managed to live right through with Jesus and come out the other side. But one thing is for sure....House of Rothschild will not tolerate Christians behaving like Acts 2. Churches as we have them now, he will put up with and seek to secretly subvert with false agents....but if enough people start living life as the Body of Christ....that spells Termination for their entire project. Non christians are superb. They all live separately like hamsters in cages, content to work their workaday existence, never asking questions and believing everything in the Rothschild owned media....but Christians....giving freely to each other....well that messes the whole tax collection system via City of London and the Vatican. And that just cannot happen.
Bugbrooke or Jesus Army today
Sunday 29 March 2015
How does removing the splinter work?
What Jesus Christ actually said was
Remove the Log in your own inner seeing
then you can see to take out some splinters in others.
The LOG is Genesis 3. With that still in place inside us the only thing we are allowed to do is pray and show love.
And that to me is the main difference between my position and South Africans. Union changes Christianity forever.
How does the splinter system operate?
Well Mark Skidmore put this well. He said you just go about your daily life of living in Christ and you "show up" splinters without even meaning to....then it's what the other person does with that new knowledge. If they accept the truth they walk with you in fellowship....if not they alienate themselves. The other person calls this "judging them". But Jesus made it clear....as He walked our walk ahead of time....we judge nobody....people are already judged.
Why? By the One Life in the Universe. Our "offkilter" behaviour is judged by the ONE LIFE not by humans as such.
Saturday 28 March 2015
Not very different from history
Yesterday I was thinking how massive a cleft was hewn through Israel at the time Jesus lived. The Romans were literally in power using Herods as satraps or local kings. The presence of centurions was obvious ....one features in the gospels. Crosses for.crucifixion spoke constantly of what happens with infringement. You could see them prominently on the hilltop by the municipal waste dump outside the walls of.Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 28 may describe other periods but it certainly fits right now.
1. Sidon is actually the area now known as Tel Aviv.
2. Someone like unto but a million times richer than King of Tyre....does.control trade and much of world commerce and.shipping.....and Did set up the State known as Israel....and currently is reported as owning 80% of the land space.
3. There is a plan afoot to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem and.install and enthrone a Messiah there.
Ezekiel 28 is a warning chapter. It does not recognise this first Kingdom as Israel. Orthodox Jews don't either. Even though they live there and also expect a Messiah.
So this is all to say that however good or.bad Netanyahu's 're election is.....and however mixed up this present state of Israel is.....so was Israel when Jesus was alive. And into that very mess He lived and spoke the eternal message of the only one Kingdom.....the kingdom of God made incarnate in flesh.
John was aware of the parallel with Genesis 1 one he wrote....just as God spoke let there be Light when everything was tohu bohu chaos.....so the Light has shone again into the mess through the same One who was there in the beginning now in human form. And into this our age God is speaking the same message of Light as described yesterday in Annie Miller's vision of the wave of pure Light.....which describes the message of Revelation 12....a church which has put genesis 3 separation delusion under her feet, and is now clothed with the source of all Light....not the sun literally but the Son of God in all His glory.
There is such a thing as house of Rothschild and the solar cult. They call their "morning star" Lucifer ....bringer of Light and confuse him at least publicly, with the description of Jesus as the Morningstar. Starbucks collects money for the programme of the Solar cult. A Temple to Apollo.....he of the Solar cult.....has been built in the last few years in the grounds of Waddesdon Manor....quite openly....no one of course realising how central to operations this is.
Into this world at this time do.we speak the true message of the morning star rising in our hearts.....Jesus Christ.
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Chris Welch
19 March at 06:47
Ezekiel 28 may describe other periods but it certainly fits right now.
1. Sidon is actually the area now known as Tel Aviv.
2. Someone like unto but a million times richer than King of Tyre....does.control trade and much of world commerce and.shipping.....and Did set up the State known as Israel....and currently is reported as owning 80% of the land space.
3. There is a plan afoot to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem and.install and enthrone a Messiah there.
Ezekiel 28 is a warning chapter. It does not recognise this first Kingdom as Israel. Orthodox Jews don't either. Even though they live there and also expect a Messiah.
So this is all to say that however good or.bad Netanyahu's 're election is.....and however mixed up this present state of Israel is.....so was Israel when Jesus was alive. And into that very mess He lived and spoke the eternal message of the only one Kingdom.....the kingdom of God made incarnate in flesh.
John was aware of the parallel with Genesis 1 one he wrote....just as God spoke let there be Light when everything was tohu bohu chaos.....so the Light has shone again into the mess through the same One who was there in the beginning now in human form. And into this our age God is speaking the same message of Light as described yesterday in Annie Miller's vision of the wave of pure Light.....which describes the message of Revelation 12....a church which has put genesis 3 separation delusion under her feet, and is now clothed with the source of all Light....not the sun literally but the Son of God in all His glory.
There is such a thing as house of Rothschild and the solar cult. They call their "morning star" Lucifer ....bringer of Light and confuse him at least publicly, with the description of Jesus as the Morningstar. Starbucks collects money for the programme of the Solar cult. A Temple to Apollo.....he of the Solar cult.....has been built in the last few years in the grounds of Waddesdon Manor....quite openly....no one of course realising how central to operations this is.
Into this world at this time do.we speak the true message of the morning star rising in our hearts.....Jesus Christ.
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Chris Welch
19 March at 06:47
Friday 27 March 2015
Another Look at Annie Schissler's Wave of pure Light prophecy
The Wave of Pure Light
the original is here
While being just dedicated to love and worship Him again, He snatched me towards the spheres of light. When He received me in His presence, He invariably does it with those ineffable words that bring such peace and so deep security; He tells me: ‘DO NOT BE AFRAID’.
I know that I would not be able to enter His Cloud of Glory if He did not give breath to me with His greeting, since the reaction that provokes the taking part in so high spheres of glory and holiness is tremendously overwhelming. He has to protect me from the effects of such grandeur and refulgence, for if it were not in this way, I would be devastated and I would not be able to stand it. He also covers me in His Cloud when He shows me His operations for this hour.
With tremendous strength and demonstration of purpose, The Lord talked to me about a great “now” when He would be gathering multitude of souls. In contrast with His chosen in whom He had been performing a profound work, this new operation would be carried out in a completely exposed way and with great clarity.
God showed me a new and extraordinary wave of heavenly pure light and life that He is accumulating to prepare the manifestation of the Great Harvest,that will develop underneath the storm of evil which is forming. He told me that He would not wait or retain this wave anymore, but that He would proceed to manifest it because His great “now” had come. While being released by Him, it would flow over the earth, returning multitudes of souls to the fold.
This new wave, full of powers and forces of light and life, was His instrument and had a double function: one opened as the incision of a sharp sword, and the other penetrated and went through beyond all defense and accomplished what God had proposed.
More about the wave of light
In this new occasion The Lord told me: “you will see now”, and immediately I looked and I saw a new and mighty pure wave of power that had began to work under that terrible storm of darkness of evil and persecution. While the storm of darkness still followed its course, this new wave of so pure light and life that had been prepared for this hour, suddenly started to expand in an explosive and magnificent way.
He showed me how this new wave operated: there were like gigantic arms that collected in an increasing scale countless multitudes of souls for Christ. In amazing operations of God, in great power and strength, thousands and millions were taken for Him.
However, there were differences between the levels and conditions of these souls that the wave of light had reaped regarding the elect ones who walked above the storm. The elect ones were obviously superior in development and light, but despite their inferior condition, the souls that gathered under the storm were more numerous and were equally precious to the Lord and He was especially interested in the harvest of this multitudes. With great joy and power He was intensively working to fulfill this.
The inferior condition of the new ones was detectable not by their appearance, but by their relationship with God. Those who walked above the storm had a very intimate relationship with Him, characterized by a great intensity, as if they were linked with the same fires and torrents of the divine nature.
When the new ones took abundant blessings from God, it was due to the fact that they rebounded from His chosen ones. The blessing of one had an impact as a blessing for another one.
Clearly the operation of God in this wave of light developed in the chosen ones through the purity and the holiness. This wave of pure light was working in the midst of great darkness underneath the storm. He showed me a especially terrible and gloomy area that offered no promise, where the wave had not reached yet.
Then He made me see that this light would expand in places where it had never been before and where the darkness had reigned without opposition. These places were many and were awaiting the manifestation of this work.
He said that He would take this marvelous wave of light and life to a certain state of development - up to the same threshold of its explosion. Although He desired this wave to burst in in this explosive force of purity, something was still missing for this to happen. The moment of the explosion would be precipitated and lit by the elect ones who were above the storm.
Each one of them individually, had to open as if it were a door inside them and they also had to enter an even higher place of communication with Christ, which at the same time, would open their inner doors to the manifestation in great power of this force of light.
While opening these doors, that great wave of light would pass through them and would start to accomplish its purposes and works over the land of the final harvest. Although this wave, full of extreme power and force to the reaping, would gather multitudes, it would however gradual and progressively advance, taking its territory as long as the chosen ones moved forward and opened the doors to the new ones.
The ones who were under the storm, though they received great provision of light and life that God shed, nonetheless they were allowed to be moved, shaken and buffeted. However, through this, it would be provided the way in which the Lord would mold, transform and develop them. On the contrary, those who were above the storm of darkness, that is, the elect ones could not be shaken as they were rooted and asserted in their relationship with Christ
He told me that these sons that would give way to this new wave, must be extremely purified. This purification is of fundamental importance, not only for themselves, but also for these new ones that will be gathered. This high, complete purification of the elect ones is equivalent to the opening of the doors inside them that will rebound in a force of great life and light to those thousands that are still in darkness.
_________________________________________
This is Acts 2 on acid.
Without the 12 apostles and the 120 gathered opening the doors of.their hearts to the Holy Spirit to Christ righteousness.....to unity....there would have been no crucible to hold and reflect God's glory on the Day of Pentecost. But without the 12 prepared ones......punctured by Word over the course of 3 years....Without Peter James and John willing to go up the mountain where Christ was transfigured.....there would be no core for the rest of the 120. I think even this vision is slightly convoluted.....everything is about Light and the working of that Light upon our souls. Christ overshadowing.....Christ events. But as we see with the disciples.....you haven't got to be that good....you have to just be willing to let them happen to you. Bind the festival sacrifice to the altar......etc. Everything within us reacts to God's Light and Life. This is why the Israelites pushed Moses on up the mountain saying....you go up.for.us. This vision is saying No.....some people somewhere have to have Light within them.....not just any light....the Light as of the Son of Man. And not reflected Light such as the moon.....but like Revelation 12....a woman clothed with the sun.....clothed with Light Source....but here on earth.
Chris Welch
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18th March 2015 18.01
the original is here
While being just dedicated to love and worship Him again, He snatched me towards the spheres of light. When He received me in His presence, He invariably does it with those ineffable words that bring such peace and so deep security; He tells me: ‘DO NOT BE AFRAID’.
I know that I would not be able to enter His Cloud of Glory if He did not give breath to me with His greeting, since the reaction that provokes the taking part in so high spheres of glory and holiness is tremendously overwhelming. He has to protect me from the effects of such grandeur and refulgence, for if it were not in this way, I would be devastated and I would not be able to stand it. He also covers me in His Cloud when He shows me His operations for this hour.
With tremendous strength and demonstration of purpose, The Lord talked to me about a great “now” when He would be gathering multitude of souls. In contrast with His chosen in whom He had been performing a profound work, this new operation would be carried out in a completely exposed way and with great clarity.
God showed me a new and extraordinary wave of heavenly pure light and life that He is accumulating to prepare the manifestation of the Great Harvest,that will develop underneath the storm of evil which is forming. He told me that He would not wait or retain this wave anymore, but that He would proceed to manifest it because His great “now” had come. While being released by Him, it would flow over the earth, returning multitudes of souls to the fold.
This new wave, full of powers and forces of light and life, was His instrument and had a double function: one opened as the incision of a sharp sword, and the other penetrated and went through beyond all defense and accomplished what God had proposed.
More about the wave of light
In this new occasion The Lord told me: “you will see now”, and immediately I looked and I saw a new and mighty pure wave of power that had began to work under that terrible storm of darkness of evil and persecution. While the storm of darkness still followed its course, this new wave of so pure light and life that had been prepared for this hour, suddenly started to expand in an explosive and magnificent way.
He showed me how this new wave operated: there were like gigantic arms that collected in an increasing scale countless multitudes of souls for Christ. In amazing operations of God, in great power and strength, thousands and millions were taken for Him.
However, there were differences between the levels and conditions of these souls that the wave of light had reaped regarding the elect ones who walked above the storm. The elect ones were obviously superior in development and light, but despite their inferior condition, the souls that gathered under the storm were more numerous and were equally precious to the Lord and He was especially interested in the harvest of this multitudes. With great joy and power He was intensively working to fulfill this.
The inferior condition of the new ones was detectable not by their appearance, but by their relationship with God. Those who walked above the storm had a very intimate relationship with Him, characterized by a great intensity, as if they were linked with the same fires and torrents of the divine nature.
When the new ones took abundant blessings from God, it was due to the fact that they rebounded from His chosen ones. The blessing of one had an impact as a blessing for another one.
Clearly the operation of God in this wave of light developed in the chosen ones through the purity and the holiness. This wave of pure light was working in the midst of great darkness underneath the storm. He showed me a especially terrible and gloomy area that offered no promise, where the wave had not reached yet.
Then He made me see that this light would expand in places where it had never been before and where the darkness had reigned without opposition. These places were many and were awaiting the manifestation of this work.
He said that He would take this marvelous wave of light and life to a certain state of development - up to the same threshold of its explosion. Although He desired this wave to burst in in this explosive force of purity, something was still missing for this to happen. The moment of the explosion would be precipitated and lit by the elect ones who were above the storm.
Each one of them individually, had to open as if it were a door inside them and they also had to enter an even higher place of communication with Christ, which at the same time, would open their inner doors to the manifestation in great power of this force of light.
While opening these doors, that great wave of light would pass through them and would start to accomplish its purposes and works over the land of the final harvest. Although this wave, full of extreme power and force to the reaping, would gather multitudes, it would however gradual and progressively advance, taking its territory as long as the chosen ones moved forward and opened the doors to the new ones.
The ones who were under the storm, though they received great provision of light and life that God shed, nonetheless they were allowed to be moved, shaken and buffeted. However, through this, it would be provided the way in which the Lord would mold, transform and develop them. On the contrary, those who were above the storm of darkness, that is, the elect ones could not be shaken as they were rooted and asserted in their relationship with Christ
He told me that these sons that would give way to this new wave, must be extremely purified. This purification is of fundamental importance, not only for themselves, but also for these new ones that will be gathered. This high, complete purification of the elect ones is equivalent to the opening of the doors inside them that will rebound in a force of great life and light to those thousands that are still in darkness.
_________________________________________
This is Acts 2 on acid.
Without the 12 apostles and the 120 gathered opening the doors of.their hearts to the Holy Spirit to Christ righteousness.....to unity....there would have been no crucible to hold and reflect God's glory on the Day of Pentecost. But without the 12 prepared ones......punctured by Word over the course of 3 years....Without Peter James and John willing to go up the mountain where Christ was transfigured.....there would be no core for the rest of the 120. I think even this vision is slightly convoluted.....everything is about Light and the working of that Light upon our souls. Christ overshadowing.....Christ events. But as we see with the disciples.....you haven't got to be that good....you have to just be willing to let them happen to you. Bind the festival sacrifice to the altar......etc. Everything within us reacts to God's Light and Life. This is why the Israelites pushed Moses on up the mountain saying....you go up.for.us. This vision is saying No.....some people somewhere have to have Light within them.....not just any light....the Light as of the Son of Man. And not reflected Light such as the moon.....but like Revelation 12....a woman clothed with the sun.....clothed with Light Source....but here on earth.
Chris Welch
18th March 2015 18.01
Thursday 26 March 2015
Posts Read over 400 times from 2008-2015
Regular Readers, as you know, this blog has had over half a million page openings over the past 7 years. That means posts from somewhere in the series have been opened totalling around 583,000.
Well, as you know, the amount of charismatics who have reached these Romans 7 conclusions are still relatively few in number....but this is the unique aspect of this blog. For some time now there have been many evangelicals, usually aged 50 and above who have fully understood what St Paul was driving at between the chapters of 6 to 8 in Romans, but the still relatively young charismatic groups are still largely huffing and puffing under their own delusions of being self run selves.
So I would like to be able to say that my posts have 100s of readers daily, but in actual fact, to even reach the No 1 slot in any week on my blog seems to only take 60 page openings!!!!!
However, the pages continue to sit on the net, and for various reasons some of them have now been opened thousands of times which is a big and welcome surprise even to me!!!!
So in the end.....the READERS DECIDE !!!!!!
What a wonderful privilege to have readers walk you through the very CREAM of these articles whether by other famous or unknown Christians or by myself.
What a wonderful privilege to have readers walk you through the very CREAM of these articles whether by other famous or unknown Christians or by myself.
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wow!!!!
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EARTH IS SPLITTING IN TWO - EDWARD KJOS TWO PARTS - 464, 457
BERTIE BRITS - FINANCES 709
BEWARE - ADVENTURE ANDRE RABE 652
RICHARD TEE - STARK TESTIMONY OF A WELLTO DO PROFESSIONAL 889
CARRY YOUR CROSS - DANIEL YORDY 410
1000TH POST - BEST OF 598
FREE NORMAN GRUBB MP3s 848
WHAT IS OUR CENTER? KUROSAKI 652
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ATHEIST DREAMS OF HEAVEN 773
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RICH NOVEK ON BLOGTALK RADIO 497
EPHESIANS THE BOOK - MIRROR VERSION 456PERCY COLLET AND HEAVEN 419
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BOB JONES AND JOHN PAUL JACKSON 493
GUNGOR (BAND) 558
COVENANT SERIES PART ONE BY DANIEL YORDY 462
BONDWOMAN - DANIEL YORDY 432
SUNNI AND SHIA - AN EXPLANATION CANON ANDREW WHITE VICAR OF BAGHDAD 408
SCIENCE AND THE FREE WORLD 383
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SKYFALL PLUS BIBLE NOTES 485
BERTIE BRITS - ESCAPE FROM TEMPTATION 563
YES I AM - TOTAL TRUTH CHAPTER 1
NORMAN GRUBB 530
FLATPACK TABERNACLE 438
BRANHAM'S ENDTIME PROPHECY 606
IAN CLAYTON 1474
HTB ALPHA NEWS 449
DIVINE? FRANK VIOLA 444
GIVING TO THE NEW FACELESS 432
TOO RECENT FOR BIGGER NOS.
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ENTERING GOD'S REST - DAN STONE 370
CHRIST- GOD'S STORY - DANIEL YORDY 388
TEAR FUND TRIP APPLICATION 525
HEALTH AND WEIGHTLOSS - CINNAMON
AND HONEY 1256
RAISED FROM CREMATION???!!!! 250
THE POWER OF CHOICE 270
EX EXCLUSIVE BRETHREN 200
BRIARS 1 SERIES 205
BRIARS 11 - AFRICA 285
AWAY WITH THE LUXURY
OF FRAGMENTATION 157
ILLUMINATI INFILTRATION
OF CHRISTIANITY 164
EVE OF PERSECUTION (1973) SCHLINK 167
THE CROSS IN THE CROSSFIRE KRUEGER 118
NATURE OF THE LAMB - SADHU SELVERAJ 130
DEATH OF SECULARISM 134
A WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN -
OLIVER BOB LAGUMEN 120
THE SUBMISSION DOCTRINE 150
JOB SERIES - ANNALIZE MOUTON 140
GOD'S HOLINESS - ED MILLER 193
20TH CENTURY POTTED HISTORY 129
URGENT APPEAL FOR ORPHANS 135
The Church isn't Lo Here
And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
This verse explains why the devil is able to hoodwink every successive generation that God is a loser.
This verse in Revelation 12 shows God's method as opposed to Man's method and Satan's method in building church.
Every revival comes and catches up people into God...the ones that remain are largely the "visible shambles" you see about a generation after a revival has swept through. We as material based...or flesh based humans...( we see after the flesh) we look at buildings, we look at people's customs, at aging congregations....
but nothing of that has anything to do with God's actual work which is inside human beings that are caught up in the Spirit to live and work in step with Him.
People look at the Welsh Revival and assume it was a failure. No , the bit you see may look like a failure....the bit that wasn't got caught up in God and formed all the next generation of churches and the next moves of God all over the earth. (I'm not sure if it's related....but there are for example a whole bunch of Welsh sheep farmers in Argentinian Patagonia.)
We only see the fossilised shells....by virtue of its nature we humanly at least, cannot see "a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Yet to all who walk caught up in the Spirit....this is the reality of how the Kingdom leading edge works.
In 1980 I was handed a key of a little Emsworth pentecostal Hut opened by Smith Wigglesworth. She was the last member. The work had died. The shell was dead. I handed the key onto my church elders. But the truth is i was already working on the next key....Thirdlevel Church...the sort they had in Acts 2 and which birthed us all. But nobody could look at me even now and say I have anything. Jesus' brothers had to have miracles rammed down their throats before they "saw" and "recognised" their very own brother. Jesus looked...errrr... normal. He had lost His Catholic halo clumsily one day while planing wood and without that His brothers had no chance!!!!
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Airbrushing
It's obvious all history is airbrushed if you think about it. If real life is actually way more spikier than the way we relay it to other people....(actually because spiritual stuff is going on, and because secularism has no handle on spiritual stuff it airbrushes it out...."cos it doesn't fit") then you can bet your life the stuff we were taught in schools is the basic framework only with all the visceral lifeblood sucked out of it. 100s of years on, the religious wars look like wars of ideas only. These were wars over lies and truth. Lies that you could buy your personal salvation. Lies that you could flagellate yourself into God. Most of the Balkan Wars in history are secretly the Catholics intent on exterminating all remaining direct Christian links with St Paul's original churches, but in schools this is taught as bland random whims of different upstarts. If history is blurred, then people are numbed to the reality of God and truth in the earth. They also are encouraged in the belief that historical figures were generally idiots and how lucky we are that we have evolved.
Hmmmm....like to see modern people writing the great works of philosophers without previous precedent?
Chris Welch
17 March at 13:18
More information about the history of the young men at Emsworth Church
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The Kingdom is not lo here or lo there.....
This verse explains why the devil is able to hoodwink every successive generation that God is a loser.
This verse in Revelation 12 shows God's method as opposed to Man's method and Satan's method in building church.
Every revival comes and catches up people into God...the ones that remain are largely the "visible shambles" you see about a generation after a revival has swept through. We as material based...or flesh based humans...( we see after the flesh) we look at buildings, we look at people's customs, at aging congregations....
but nothing of that has anything to do with God's actual work which is inside human beings that are caught up in the Spirit to live and work in step with Him.
People look at the Welsh Revival and assume it was a failure. No , the bit you see may look like a failure....the bit that wasn't got caught up in God and formed all the next generation of churches and the next moves of God all over the earth. (I'm not sure if it's related....but there are for example a whole bunch of Welsh sheep farmers in Argentinian Patagonia.)
We only see the fossilised shells....by virtue of its nature we humanly at least, cannot see "a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne." Yet to all who walk caught up in the Spirit....this is the reality of how the Kingdom leading edge works.
Picture ONLY: Tin Tabernacle Emsworth |
Chris Welch
17 March at 12:24 · Edited ·
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Airbrushing
It's obvious all history is airbrushed if you think about it. If real life is actually way more spikier than the way we relay it to other people....(actually because spiritual stuff is going on, and because secularism has no handle on spiritual stuff it airbrushes it out...."cos it doesn't fit") then you can bet your life the stuff we were taught in schools is the basic framework only with all the visceral lifeblood sucked out of it. 100s of years on, the religious wars look like wars of ideas only. These were wars over lies and truth. Lies that you could buy your personal salvation. Lies that you could flagellate yourself into God. Most of the Balkan Wars in history are secretly the Catholics intent on exterminating all remaining direct Christian links with St Paul's original churches, but in schools this is taught as bland random whims of different upstarts. If history is blurred, then people are numbed to the reality of God and truth in the earth. They also are encouraged in the belief that historical figures were generally idiots and how lucky we are that we have evolved.
Hmmmm....like to see modern people writing the great works of philosophers without previous precedent?
Chris Welch
17 March at 13:18
More information about the history of the young men at Emsworth Church
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The Kingdom is not lo here or lo there.....
So about the time.you describe Bill Johnson's Bethel church as the Epicentre....it has either become the new Ichabod....God.is absent....or perhaps they are further round the Jerusalem gate cycle to a very dry phase....like.err...the Valley Gate and the Dung Gate.
But this not" lo here nor lo there" thing works in reverse too. So about the time you have labelled someone as the pit of hell....God's redemptive work has been going on there too!!!!
Chris Welch
But this not" lo here nor lo there" thing works in reverse too. So about the time you have labelled someone as the pit of hell....God's redemptive work has been going on there too!!!!
Chris Welch
15 March at 09:04 ·
Wednesday 25 March 2015
The Spirit and the Bride say Come
Baden Powell |
Everything in Creation is cyclic and tidal, or in and out like breathing.
The inward world governs the outer world.
Romans 8 gives us a picture of the world screaming in childbirth and the painting "Das Geschrei" "The scream" by Edvard Monch depicts this subterranean form of CRY that we feel deep within.
There are KINGDOM lulls. There was 400 years of nothing spectacular between the two Testaments in the Bible...between Malachi and Matthew.
If you want the kingdom to materialise for you, you have to join in the Spirit's cry through you...FOR IT.
Romans 8 again......cries too deep for words.
People think the Spirit and the Bride say Come in Revelation is to Jesus to come back. They mix up 22:17 and 22:20. Or perhaps the Americans have a different Bible. For the rest of the world who are caught up with the actual plan of God this is the Spirit's Cry through the Bride for more children.For more materialisation of the Kingdom. As soon as some materialisation is here....or birthed....while Satan is still at large here, he chases the genuine Son off to the desert, then rigs up a naturalistic copy. This is why in every revival you must quickly learn to "Ride like the Wind"....for the wind blows where it wills and it is difficult for the devil to quantise the co ordinates. If you don't, like the Catholic Church you become the Snow Queen's fossilised relic. "And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, .....
Some "God things" taken over completely......
Hospitals taken over by the state and manipulated in ways we don't fully know yet but are slowly emerging on Youtube
Education.....Oxford and Cambridge....originally centers of Christian tutelage and "discipling" as well as knowledge and learning. Harvard was actually evangelical.
All three are central to preparing future New World order operatives and leaders.
Industrial Revolution...largely pioneered by Quakers because they weren't allowed by then in Oxford or Cambridge...but then taken over by the Bloodlines to become forever the "dark Satanic mills" in the hymns.
Preaching the gospel to Africans, especially the West Coast. The Bloodlines ascertained the knowledge of minerals and resources then instead enslaved or sent away as slaves the populations. (Foremost has always been the involvement of the Venetian Old Houses/ bankers and East India Company)
For each of Satan's deathgrips has come a God answer raised up through the intercession of his people. The mass overcrowding of cities brought about by the Bloodlines changing the landlaws to make farming prohibiitve, brought social chaos.
The Temperance movement which then through Keswick and Jessie Penn Lewis led to the 12 Step programme, was taken over by the Bloodlines to become Moral Rearmament and the secular or vague Masonic Higher Power thing it is today.
Boys Brigade was leading many boys to Christ. The bloodlines wheeled in a murderous pedophile banned by Victoria until her death by the name of Baden Powell to set up scouts, and instead to herd the boys and groom them to be mown down in trenches by their new invention the machine gun.
The Holy Spirit Movement began the real release of many individuals to live fully and freely. So just as fast, the recent Freudian discoveries of "our internal world" were wheeled out to divert the gaze of a very interested world.....especially after world war. Both wars plus atheistic communism and then Auschwitz in particular were a deathblow quite literally to people's rising faith and hope in the Pentecostal outpourings. Eventually Pentecost moved into the existing churches into which my generation crashed....having by now no particular interest in church at all. None of our generation could have understood how we were manipulated out of the limelight, because at this time no one understood the the infrastructures unearthed by Fritz Springmeier which secretly prevent anything to do with the Holy Spirit taking hold but for one 30 minute watered down version in BBC Songs of Praise and a much muzzled Black London Community Gospel Choir. Not one of us understood how everything we attempted was blocked.
New Selfie
The brazen altar is where you realise the price has totally been paid for your inclusion into everything of God.
The laver is where you have a new "selfie" taken to which you refer from now on. Christ in you as you in your form.....the hope of glory.
Heavenly Tabernacle entrance Guide. See book of Hebrews.
The laver is where you have a new "selfie" taken to which you refer from now on. Christ in you as you in your form.....the hope of glory.
Heavenly Tabernacle entrance Guide. See book of Hebrews.
Tuesday 24 March 2015
Not linear....cyclic
For a linear brain something has to be good and its opposite bad. God doesn't think in lines He thinks in circles of completion.
Some say they find God in nature. Implying Not in human nature so not flipping churches then.
Some say they find God in gentle music so not in flipping Black church freak out when God has been delivering folk.
Some say they prefer things to be kept simple so not flipping intellectual stuff then and vice versa.
Some say they like small gatherings.....so not flipping great revivals then.
I particularly wanted to get here because Jesus worked at all levels simultaneously. My dear.....because God doesn't think linear but rather seasonally and in cycles and because He is Lord you don't get to choose anything. You will JOLLY well have seasons of dry quiet and then you will have seasons of thunderous rain and you will enjoy them both. The Gates that surround Jerusalem are often juxtaposed. Here are some.
The first Gate is the Sheep Gate....Implying the beginning relationship in Song of Songs....discipleship....home groups....individual pastoring....small....intimate.
The second gate is the Fish Gate....immediately implying early revival......loads of new people.....numerousness
The 6th gate is pretty spectacularly the Fountain Gate. The inundation of the baptism in the Spirit.
The 7th Gate is much more mundane....it's vital tho.....the Water Gate.....we need daily water to live. We have to find our own water Gate in some.very dry surroundings.
The 11th Gate is total "flash Harry" stuff. It's the gate of Ephraim....the double anointing. Among the pioneers it has only been ever reached by a handful....Yer George Jeffries...Smith Wigglesworths....John G Lake. So even if you are a shy retiring wall flower....tough.....that's what the 11th Gate is.
The 12th Gate is just the opposite....it's the prison gate. Either prison itself like Nee ....St Paul and Wurmbrand....or a confinement of some kind like Paul Cain with his ailing mother....but is itself an intercession door opener on a grand scale.
There's no either or in the Kingdom. It's life in all its abundance which means a good deal more than Rolls Royces. Gate no 9 is seasonal and its huge. It's not like the Fish Gate which is an early influx. No this is the Grand OPEN DAY.....this is when the main Eastern Gate gets opened and the complete beginners come marching in " from the East"....the rising of the sun....the very beginning of God's revelations. But we can't say....oh God I don't like those....because that's what the whole cycle has been about.....to get ready for another influx. A similar cyclic preparation phase goes on in a lady's womb. If you happen to think in linear terms....well it's just tough.....the whole of creation is seasonal.
Some say they find God in nature. Implying Not in human nature so not flipping churches then.
Some say they find God in gentle music so not in flipping Black church freak out when God has been delivering folk.
Some say they prefer things to be kept simple so not flipping intellectual stuff then and vice versa.
Some say they like small gatherings.....so not flipping great revivals then.
I particularly wanted to get here because Jesus worked at all levels simultaneously. My dear.....because God doesn't think linear but rather seasonally and in cycles and because He is Lord you don't get to choose anything. You will JOLLY well have seasons of dry quiet and then you will have seasons of thunderous rain and you will enjoy them both. The Gates that surround Jerusalem are often juxtaposed. Here are some.
The first Gate is the Sheep Gate....Implying the beginning relationship in Song of Songs....discipleship....home groups....individual pastoring....small....intimate.
The second gate is the Fish Gate....immediately implying early revival......loads of new people.....numerousness
The 6th gate is pretty spectacularly the Fountain Gate. The inundation of the baptism in the Spirit.
The 7th Gate is much more mundane....it's vital tho.....the Water Gate.....we need daily water to live. We have to find our own water Gate in some.very dry surroundings.
The 11th Gate is total "flash Harry" stuff. It's the gate of Ephraim....the double anointing. Among the pioneers it has only been ever reached by a handful....Yer George Jeffries...Smith Wigglesworths....John G Lake. So even if you are a shy retiring wall flower....tough.....that's what the 11th Gate is.
The 12th Gate is just the opposite....it's the prison gate. Either prison itself like Nee ....St Paul and Wurmbrand....or a confinement of some kind like Paul Cain with his ailing mother....but is itself an intercession door opener on a grand scale.
There's no either or in the Kingdom. It's life in all its abundance which means a good deal more than Rolls Royces. Gate no 9 is seasonal and its huge. It's not like the Fish Gate which is an early influx. No this is the Grand OPEN DAY.....this is when the main Eastern Gate gets opened and the complete beginners come marching in " from the East"....the rising of the sun....the very beginning of God's revelations. But we can't say....oh God I don't like those....because that's what the whole cycle has been about.....to get ready for another influx. A similar cyclic preparation phase goes on in a lady's womb. If you happen to think in linear terms....well it's just tough.....the whole of creation is seasonal.
Christ the Substance
40 years on it is starting to dawn that what we preach
is not buildings
is not programmes
is not ministries
is not things.
Now i know 40 years ago there were a lot of new "things" and the Holy Spirit was definitely in them....
Arthur Blessitt and coffee shops
the Jesus festivals and Trafalgar Square
the renewed gifts of the Spirit and movements such as Fountain Trust, followed by the house church movement and then new churches....
the amazing 70s Bible Weeks followed by years of summer camps and conferences...........
New Build buildings even in conjunction with town councils, such as Kings Church High Wycombe
Business Warehouse type churches such as Derby Pride Park and Quarry Lane Chichester.
Apostles and Prophets. Peter Stott and Graham Cooke type UK Conferences.
Praise and worship. Worship bands. Evangelistic bands such as Delirious.
Prayer 24/7 and the start of more mystic understandings in a Britain raised on Rothschild. Celtic understandings of Christianity.
Drug rehab. Christian 12 step programmes. Prisoner rehabilitation. Help with the Disabled. Overseas programmes with underprivileged peoples.
Only when you begin to list it all do you realise the enormity of what the Holy Spirit has been doing.
But there has been ONE FURTHER STEP the Holy Spirit wants to go and it is beyond all these surface layers....
UNTIL WHAT WE PREACH is
SECURE,ROCKLIKE,FUNDAMENTAL,UNSHAKEABLE WORD AND SUBSTANCE....
Christ Himself.
Jesus Christ the Cornerstone. The ROCK. THE SUBSTANCE. THE PERSON.
Knowing Him who is from the beginning. The Meat of the Word.
Unashamedly divorced from ALL other THINGS which whether we use or discard....it is of no importance...we count all things as loss save for knowing the Resurrection Life of Jesus Christ. Him we now impart. We don't even ask which stream are we all from. A few years ago this was the first sentence upon greeting one another. Why? because we didn't know HIM. If you know Him you don't ask...you know immediately if someone is in Jesus Christ. He is after all the SOLE LIFE of the Father in the earth. All things are in Him. Jesus has been raised as Lord of all. Everybody who does not know Him have subsections of Him. Buddhists have some of the internal secrets. Muslims have some of the social secrets of living in the Divine. Anglicans have some of the awe and fear of the Lord. Atheists have some of the Inquiry and pragmaticism of our Divine yet earthly condition. Everything is in Jesus but we have to press into Jesus to be fully mature. He is raising up a mature man and for that we need Christ substance. We need the preaching of Christ as our sole Life.
is not buildings
is not programmes
is not ministries
is not things.
Now i know 40 years ago there were a lot of new "things" and the Holy Spirit was definitely in them....
Arthur Blessitt and coffee shops
the Jesus festivals and Trafalgar Square
the renewed gifts of the Spirit and movements such as Fountain Trust, followed by the house church movement and then new churches....
the amazing 70s Bible Weeks followed by years of summer camps and conferences...........
New Build buildings even in conjunction with town councils, such as Kings Church High Wycombe
Business Warehouse type churches such as Derby Pride Park and Quarry Lane Chichester.
Apostles and Prophets. Peter Stott and Graham Cooke type UK Conferences.
Praise and worship. Worship bands. Evangelistic bands such as Delirious.
Prayer 24/7 and the start of more mystic understandings in a Britain raised on Rothschild. Celtic understandings of Christianity.
Drug rehab. Christian 12 step programmes. Prisoner rehabilitation. Help with the Disabled. Overseas programmes with underprivileged peoples.
Only when you begin to list it all do you realise the enormity of what the Holy Spirit has been doing.
But there has been ONE FURTHER STEP the Holy Spirit wants to go and it is beyond all these surface layers....
UNTIL WHAT WE PREACH is
SECURE,ROCKLIKE,FUNDAMENTAL,UNSHAKEABLE WORD AND SUBSTANCE....
Christ Himself.
Jesus Christ the Cornerstone. The ROCK. THE SUBSTANCE. THE PERSON.
Knowing Him who is from the beginning. The Meat of the Word.
Unashamedly divorced from ALL other THINGS which whether we use or discard....it is of no importance...we count all things as loss save for knowing the Resurrection Life of Jesus Christ. Him we now impart. We don't even ask which stream are we all from. A few years ago this was the first sentence upon greeting one another. Why? because we didn't know HIM. If you know Him you don't ask...you know immediately if someone is in Jesus Christ. He is after all the SOLE LIFE of the Father in the earth. All things are in Him. Jesus has been raised as Lord of all. Everybody who does not know Him have subsections of Him. Buddhists have some of the internal secrets. Muslims have some of the social secrets of living in the Divine. Anglicans have some of the awe and fear of the Lord. Atheists have some of the Inquiry and pragmaticism of our Divine yet earthly condition. Everything is in Jesus but we have to press into Jesus to be fully mature. He is raising up a mature man and for that we need Christ substance. We need the preaching of Christ as our sole Life.
Sunday 22 March 2015
Shortchanging Truth
Malcolm Smith raises a fabulous point which dovetails in with what I am trying to do with my blog.....but I am not wishing to embarrass him by joining any dots. I was reading the Lagerwalls wall and thinking about everyone getting on with everybody just as they are. In covenantal terms we are given families to work things out with....and in work we have to make things work as best we can.....but in terms of everybody.....no we have to do something quite specific.....We gather in the Name of Jesus and we only give to each other (acting as joints) that which Christ supplies. Nothing else is relevant. This is actually quite offensive to luvvies who want to give all of themselves all of the time. But having said that Luvvies get a raw deal in current churches because they are not yet the Body of Christ....They are run by one man and all the joints don't get to supply anything. Also when luvvies supply.....It doesn't look like what religious people expect....because they are luvvies.....and it may not fit the bill of a set preach....or worshipping or whatever. The Bible's version is gloriously unclear and just says what Christ has inworked is now supplied. Now....back to Malcolm Smith.
He raises the point that people put barriers up to what they thought Jesus could handle. He would not be confined. Down to speaking Word to a centurions servant.....but he was Roman......Down to how he treated his own disciples after they had all walked out on Him......appearing to them and then having a fish barbecue with them. In fact has anyone thought that this was the real Passover because they were too full of themselves in the upper room discourse? The point of the thirdlevel message is not the exclusive thing perceived by luvvies.....and maybe even Malcolm himself....I don't know the brother. The point is reaching ground zero is beyond all human communion......It's beyond what any human can put up with. Luvvies think they can bear with any human condition and they are still in human pride. By ignoring all forms of law the very means God uses in order for the festival sacrifice to be bound to the altar in its Romans 7 horror and holocaust.....goes way beyond what bystanders can handle.....and they must walk away save only for the odd supernaturally endowed intercession who may still just be in the frame somewhere. This is beyond human. Often it is the fact it is between man and God and there is nowhere to run.....that in that extreme xray process we see and understand the sin spirit as something supernatural and separate from us and that we were only ever containers. Going down this deep makes humans turn their head. The psalms and prophets talk about all my friends and lovers have deserted me. Apart from maybe 1 percent of churches there aren't any churches anywhere that go this deep. And rightly so. If a specially prepared people born of supernatural Isaac and established over 2000 years or so couldn't hack this sort of solidarity at such awful moments......no way is any gentile or other luvvietype going to be up for it when God Himself is overshadowing a person. But God has ordained a church that will. This church is described as having a face like the sun and having the moon under its feet. So the whole "separation" mentality has been done away with. Like in the first church people will be afraid to join themselves to such a church.....but the desperate will.....and great Grace shall be on them all. We can choose when we want to leave Babylon and which wave of returnees to be among......but rest assured they will always be the same 12 Gates we have to do with as Nehemiah. The luvvies think they can do without them. In some shape or Spirit form those gates will be there. One day I will be allowed to give my testimony but at the moment people hang their head and cry shame and walk off. They did this with Judah. They did this over Peter and Paul. Unlike the Koran the Bible spells it all out. The Koran covers over Mohammed taking a wife at 6 years of age and consummation at 8 or 9 and says nobody is even to raise the issue as he is holy. Well in Jesus case the Bible had only to explain why what many thought was sin was not at all.....things like....Jesus was not a bastard he was supsrnaturally conceived and HAD TO BE to raise a third level third stage growth people 1 John2.
So if point one is about the only sort of relating that we are required to do in the larger frame.....be just Jesus going on for folk....
And point 2 was how total God's dealings are
Point three comes out of that.
To say all is Ok having only reached Romans Chapters 3 to 5 is ultimately to cheat people out of the eternity that is in man's mind and heart....the deep plumb line we all have.....and it is to also restrict what God is well able to do which is present us pure and spotless. He saves to the uttermost. He prospers our way....not just as a Bible verse we regale each other with...but like Job....after overshadowing us. This takes different forms.....and St Paul tended to Jack his prosperity in and make his way to the next town and prison cell. Watchman Nee did likewise.
He raises the point that people put barriers up to what they thought Jesus could handle. He would not be confined. Down to speaking Word to a centurions servant.....but he was Roman......Down to how he treated his own disciples after they had all walked out on Him......appearing to them and then having a fish barbecue with them. In fact has anyone thought that this was the real Passover because they were too full of themselves in the upper room discourse? The point of the thirdlevel message is not the exclusive thing perceived by luvvies.....and maybe even Malcolm himself....I don't know the brother. The point is reaching ground zero is beyond all human communion......It's beyond what any human can put up with. Luvvies think they can bear with any human condition and they are still in human pride. By ignoring all forms of law the very means God uses in order for the festival sacrifice to be bound to the altar in its Romans 7 horror and holocaust.....goes way beyond what bystanders can handle.....and they must walk away save only for the odd supernaturally endowed intercession who may still just be in the frame somewhere. This is beyond human. Often it is the fact it is between man and God and there is nowhere to run.....that in that extreme xray process we see and understand the sin spirit as something supernatural and separate from us and that we were only ever containers. Going down this deep makes humans turn their head. The psalms and prophets talk about all my friends and lovers have deserted me. Apart from maybe 1 percent of churches there aren't any churches anywhere that go this deep. And rightly so. If a specially prepared people born of supernatural Isaac and established over 2000 years or so couldn't hack this sort of solidarity at such awful moments......no way is any gentile or other luvvietype going to be up for it when God Himself is overshadowing a person. But God has ordained a church that will. This church is described as having a face like the sun and having the moon under its feet. So the whole "separation" mentality has been done away with. Like in the first church people will be afraid to join themselves to such a church.....but the desperate will.....and great Grace shall be on them all. We can choose when we want to leave Babylon and which wave of returnees to be among......but rest assured they will always be the same 12 Gates we have to do with as Nehemiah. The luvvies think they can do without them. In some shape or Spirit form those gates will be there. One day I will be allowed to give my testimony but at the moment people hang their head and cry shame and walk off. They did this with Judah. They did this over Peter and Paul. Unlike the Koran the Bible spells it all out. The Koran covers over Mohammed taking a wife at 6 years of age and consummation at 8 or 9 and says nobody is even to raise the issue as he is holy. Well in Jesus case the Bible had only to explain why what many thought was sin was not at all.....things like....Jesus was not a bastard he was supsrnaturally conceived and HAD TO BE to raise a third level third stage growth people 1 John2.
So if point one is about the only sort of relating that we are required to do in the larger frame.....be just Jesus going on for folk....
And point 2 was how total God's dealings are
Point three comes out of that.
To say all is Ok having only reached Romans Chapters 3 to 5 is ultimately to cheat people out of the eternity that is in man's mind and heart....the deep plumb line we all have.....and it is to also restrict what God is well able to do which is present us pure and spotless. He saves to the uttermost. He prospers our way....not just as a Bible verse we regale each other with...but like Job....after overshadowing us. This takes different forms.....and St Paul tended to Jack his prosperity in and make his way to the next town and prison cell. Watchman Nee did likewise.
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