Sermon Blues by Chris Welch

in Facebook (Notes) on 28 March 2013 at 11:51 AM

Pastor: I can't get a sermon.....I've been thinking all week.
Jesus : Who says you have to have one?
Pastor: It's my job d'oh. That's what they pay the tithe for. I am employed by them.
Jesus: Who said they had to tithe?
Pastor : Everyone knows Christians have to tithe
Jesus : I said people could give and give generously from a willing heart. I never said about tithing. That whole thing was for a different time, a different people and an old covenant. This is the new covenant in My Blood.
Pastor: Well if I didn't tell them they had to tithe no one would give.
Jesus: Firstly....you'd be surprised how freewill works. Secondly, what's the problem anyway? Go out and get a job.
Pastor: I haven't got time I'm leading a church remember?
Jesus: Who said you are leading the church? I thought I was?
Pastor: I know we say that, but the fact is if I didn't do it then nobody would.
Jesus : Good
Pastor: What do you mean good?
Jesus: When nobody leads, then that gives room for my Spirit to raise some men up in ministry gifts and all the others to give as the Spirit gives them utterance or gives them instruction.
Pastor: But pastors are in charge.
Jesus: Where does it say that? Rabbis are in charge under the Old Covenant. Where does it say that under the New?Jeremiah said "They do not teach each other anymore each one his neighbour for each of you shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest."
Pastor: That all sounds like Quakerism to me. And Quakers now invite Buddhists in, and anybody says anything they like. Completely wrong doctrines as well as right doctrines.
Jesus: Perhaps they are not connected to Me anymore and the Melchizedek Order. For you are all priests now after the Order of Melchizedek. You are a nation of kings and priests.
Pastor: Well I wish that was so, but many people do not even know you.
Jesus: Well perhaps you should be telling them that all can know Me, I included everyone when I stretched my arms open and died.
Pastor: So you are saying I shouldn't be in charge?
Jesus: Nowhere does it say a pastor is in charge. It says I gave many pastors for taking care of the sheep. It also says I gave many ministries for the equipping of the saints. Where are your apostles?
Pastor: We've got one apostle. He visits now and again. But he's far too bossy and I am in charge here.
Jesus:You are not in charge. Neither is that apostle. I don't give one apostle. Paul wrote "Not many are fathers". There are several fathers moving between churches, just as there are many prophets and pastors and teachers all moving in and around a local church.
Pastor: I've never heard of such a thing
Jesus: None of you modern pastors read the Bible much do you?
Pastor: I read the bits I like
Jesus : It says all ministry is given for the equipping of the saints.
Pastor: I don't see that as practical. How can ordinary what you call minstries possibly be adequately trained to run 3 year courses with exams and a certificate? It's just not practical.
Jesus: The equipping of the saints has nothing to do with three year institutional courses with exam certificates.
Pastor: It doesn't? That's how I got mine.
Jesus: I never gave you that certificate. I wouldn't give you any certificate.
Pastor: Now you are being rude.
Jesus: I wouldn't give you a certificate of paper because I have already given everything you need in Me. I write my Living Law right across your being...this is how the New Covenant works. When you are mature in it, you find yourself imparting it, others recognise it, and "a man's gift makes way for itself" Proverbs says.
Pastor: I teach being born again. I teach forgiveness received by faith because of your work on the Cross.
Jesus: You only preach one sacrifice. You only preach the Blood
Pastor : What are you saying now? There is only one Cross.
Jesus: I spelled it out in the Old Testament. One animal was slaughtered for sin. The other was sent away into the wilderness. It's the only way I could represent two things at once back then. It's the Blood and the Body.You were not only forgiven...but you also died in Me. I took your spirit and that of all in Adam in My Body into death. And I raised you all up as living spirits fused in Me. You are all new creations.
Pastor: They never told me that one. I studied for 3 years. I studied all about eschatology and the terrible history of the church. What you are saying is a different gospel.
Jesus: No. This IS MY GOSPEL. Unless you eat of my flesh and drink my blood you do not have any life in yourselves. What YOU are preaching is a different gospel. The gospel you preach leads to the terrible church history and a meaningless eschatology because nothing works.
Pastor: This is all doing my head in. And I still haven't got a sermon.
Jesus: This is all doing My Body in. And perhaps you have no right yet to give a sermon until you let me write My one in you.My Body builds itself up by that which each joint supplies. But nobody can supply anything other than that which I have already supplied. The Holy Spirit is given to make known to you all that which is mine and is now yours.It is not by power, nor by might, but everything is now by My Spirit says the Lord.If anyone is in Christ he is a new creation entirely, the old has simply passed away....the new is already here.
Pastor: You have criticised just about everything I do. I am not sure I and the congregation will ever change.
Jesus: It is as hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle .
Pastor: How am I rich?
Jesus: You have status with man, but outside of My Cross, none with me. You have people forcibly paying you a tenth of
their income every week even though this is not in the New Covenant. You want to be in charge of my works, yet do not recognise My Charge and the way I operate. You do not know more of the gospel than an Old Testament rabbi, who also believes in forgiveness by faith in God on the Day of Atonement. You are rich but outside of Me, and in reality you have little or nothing. Yet you will not relearn.
Pastor: Jesus, it's hard for me to ever relearn. I am in my forties. I would look foolish if I ever said my training was insufficient.
Jesus: Do you want emptiness, or do you want Life?
Pastor: I want your life,but I am not prepared to admit to any congregation I am wrong. I would be out of a job, and then who would pay for my living?
Jesus: I am your Supplier. I am all you need.
Pastor: *silence*

Jesus: Then I will send out into the highways and the byways and compel others in, for the sons of the Kingdom have refused the wedding invitation and the celebration WILL BE GREAT in the Honour which the Father has given Me, in the honour of the Holy Spirit's work, and in the honour of the Father who completes every work perfectly and abundantly.

Like · · · Promote · Share

• Chris Kimmell, Tunji Ayoade, Gail Cochrane and 2 others like this.
• 

  Rich Novek Amen Chris, a perfect picture of the different gospel in action...thanks!

  2 hours ago · Unlike · 3
• 

  Lydia Joy Shatney AWESOME!!!

  2 hours ago · Like · 1
• 

  Gail Cochrane Chris......now THAT is a CONVERSATION!!!! And one that is so needed today!! Thank you, Chris.

  2 hours ago · Like · 1
• 

  Tunji Ayoade The Blood and the Body combination action in redemption. . .

  2 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
• 

  Cliff Gableman I wonder how many "pastors" could or would receive this message? Thanks Chris.

  about an hour ago via mobile · Like · 1
• 

  Rich Novek My guess not too many, way too much to lose!

  10 minutes ago · Like
• 

  Ray E Horton Good message. After being with good churches so long, I forget there are probably pastors out there that need to hear this.

  9 minutes ago · Like
• 

  Carol Lucas Winkler I do believe there are churches, and pastors, who are like this, but i will say that i had a pastor who had a heart for God, and he truly loved everyone the same. He was a big giver, and he was down to earth. He didn't condemn, or try to squeeze money out of people.He was always giving money away. His love, and joy, and lifestyle are the things that made me want Jesus. Religion can be ugly, and hard, but we can't throw all pastors under the bus. I loved going to that church, for 16 years, until we moved. It was like a family, and the pastor was like our brother. I understand why so many are down on church, and pastors, because i have never found a church like the one i attended for so many years. I was taught about the love of God. I am thankful i had that pastor, and that preacher, when i was young, and knew nothing, at all, about the Lord. There have been pastors, in churches i visited, who were out for money, and fame, and numbers. It is sad...

  about a minute ago · Like

The church is for man, not man for the church

So let's just get this straight. Christians are not for the pastor. Pastors are simply there for teaching the straightforward truths of Andre Rabe's book "Imagine". The gospel is to get human beings fully functioning as themselves...you know...as God always intended long, long before the Fall appeared to interrupt things.
People are not there in church to listen to endless sermons about the same thing.
People are not there to sustain a pastor with their tithe so he is happy.
People are not there to be endlessly patronised, so they feel good about themselves humanly, so fully bolstered they can go back into the week set up for another fall, to be able to crawl to church the next weekend to have their back patted again. (Well actually....clearly people do go for that reason, or what else would sustain a man financially providing the same repeated behaviour for decades on end? Clearly , in order for the synergy to work, that IS what people want. But you'll find no authentic basis for it.)
In Africa the pastor's role is not to fill the role previously occupied by the village elder, a semi-god like person who was there to sort out all your major problems, so you never had to fully grow up yourself, and face the world as a man is supposed to.
Jesus never said I will build my church on Pastor Kwami Smith, so when he pulls the strings, you all move your limbs.
He never said through Paul, "and the Body, fitly joined together,by everything Pastor Kwami Smith supplies on the overhead, while passing round the offering plate for his super duper house with 5 bathrooms."
No, honestly, Jesus, nor Paul , never said or wrote that. I know that has come as a shock to Africans.
Jesus never said I will build my church on my apostle and prophet. And the apostle shall pull all the strings, and all pastors shall do what he says. Yup. He never said that. That's for England.Apostles is always plural Terry Virgo.
Also for England, Jesus never said I will build my church to straddle all the geographical locations of England, subdivided neatly between bishops, who pull all the strings of the little vicars in all the parishes.
Are you sure Chris?
Well, maybe I've just got the wrong Bible, but I've checked about 12 on the internet, and I haven't found it yet.
I've also checked the letters, and they all seem to start and finish, and have middle bits with the word grace in.And, from the context, it didn't seem to be a thanksgiving prayer at meal times. It seemed to be about a spiritual power imparted by true teachers and ministers, that when they passed through a place, they only seemed to teach for a few hours, and then.....how weird is this? the power of the grace force coming out of their insides seemed to empower the believers so much, the ministries just left. And when they returned they never preached the same message twice. How extraordinary is that?
I know the early church had a lot to learn to be as clever and dead as we are...but that's just how it is.
Now here's another weird thing. Let's take a walk through Ephesians.
Ephesians chapters one and two seemed to be the starting point. All English pastors regard this as a lesson for the more spiritual. But Ephesians 1 , 2 and 3seems to be what people learned first, and because of this strange power these early ministries had called grace, that's all they really needed to know to empower them to live. And chapters 4 and 5 were all about working out this grace power with a few practical instructions, not so much laws, in the following  areas of Church, (or living within a LIVE Body ), earthly families and work environments. The Body living was interesting because this didn't just seem to be between 10 and 12 on Sundays. Clearly the early church got that wrong, as they were showed the error of their ways when they crystallised into the Catholic church by about 400. And people were able to show Christians the right and proper way not to be so keen.
Then, now this is absolutely freaky: having worked out this strange grace power message...well actually more than a message, more a force really, which made church, family and work environments work....in other words they became overcomers right where they were......they seemed to think they now had enough authority to extend their territories and their prayer focus in spiritual warfare. Now , not one of them refers to spiritual warfare conferences, or special seminary studies, or exams, or special forms of clothing....but it's a funny thing, by the end of the first century, what began as a bunch of followers of the Way, had congregations of believers in certainly every major city and most towns in the lands bounding the Northern side of the Mediterranean. Most probably fluke.

Surely modernday pastors could teach these people a thing or two about living from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the 7 steps of this and the 10 steps of that? I mean how would believers know how to live? You cannot really rely on an unseen force of grace acting in the life of a believer? This is really no way to run a mega denomination which will only expect a few people to convert every decade or so, and begin teaching others how they can live from rules in the same way  like good honest churchgoers.

Ofcourse, the very thing I'm pretending to be incredulous about like my fellow left-brain countrymen in England IS THE VERY way GOD moves in and through His genuine church. Grace imparted. Grace left to work itself through in all areas of life. Then Ephesians implies in Chapter 6 you have spiritual grace empowering to go into action yourself, and the Body you've worked things through with, in order to expand into other regions. You get your authority in Jerusalem, you expand your grace authority in Samaria, and by now you are on a roll to take over the ends of the Earth and bring the nations, as Paul writes, INTO THE OBEDIENCE OF FAITH.

Pastors, bless'em are all working backwards. They are struggling over their own gospel, because they never heard it in the first place through a grace empowered servant. They are left in the delusion that "the Overcoming Life" must be a set of rules then, carefully studied and examined in seminary. Full of all these facts they then deluge this putrid LAW filth onto a bunch of willing listeners until they too are as bewitched as the pastors. The people never grow, but get increasingly bound up. The pastors get madder. They go 200 miles to make a convert twice the son of hell that they are. Then they send their flock to conferences to get them gee'd up with the revelation someone should have taught them in the first place. The congregation are then turfed out onto Waterlooville High Street to do a healing crusade, but inwardly and outwardly they are all miserable, because they know their Johnny is on drugs, their daughter is pregnant and her boyfriend has left her, and they are trying to strum a few chords and tell everyone that Jesus is marvellous.

Anyone sense a gulf between the Ephesians letter and present day churches?

first appeared as a Facebook note by Chris Welch

Worship In Spirit and Truth Parts 1 and 2 by Chris Welch

Facebook on Saturday, 23 April 2011 at 23:44. This series was written on a Blackberry on Pentewan Sands near St Austell Cornwall while in our caravan.See East and West views below. The site club had paid wifi, but apart from that we had no Tmobile/Orange signal, so was eventually uploaded in 4 sections on Saturday night.

Jesus prophesied that this was how worship was to be : in Spirit and in Truth

But first an Image:A group of people returned to their block of flats and downstairs all was dark,but as all was familiar everyone piled through the door of the vestibule, waiting for the first to reach the 10 minute timer light switch on the opposite wall. Except, when the light went on they could see a mother viper in the corner surrounded by its 3 offspring. Immediately everyone's cheery nonchalance froze, and had they not known better,would have created huge noise....but instead they reacted quietly ,swiftly, by backing away in order not to further scare and incite the snakes......end of image.

Issue 1.In God's Light we see light.
Without His light we remain clueless.
We think everything is basically OK.
Picture"Careful Doreen, that chair's not safe"

For decades we have run churches not knowing "even the light within us" is darkness.We have CEO pastor preachers who have completely ignored the writings of Watchman Nee in Release of the Spirit. And Nee himself was only implementing Jesus words "in Spirit and in Truth". Preachers have preached for collective hours and hours into people's lives, yet there was no release of the Spirit...No transfer of Holy Spirit impartation in the truths preached.Without Divine Life Christians cannot......cannot grow.

Issue 2:Spirit and truth
These pastors mistakenly run their organisations as pyramid heads with what they think is a Bible backed structure, but no one ever sought to question it.Today,all over the world churches are splitting and/ or winding up. Yet no one ever questions the system. A CEO pastor goes off and starts another one instead. The Bible talks about Jesus being head of the Body, and elders not "lording it over the flock", and there being many gifts including many pastors....in the one church. It speaks of NOT MANY are Fathers....seeming to imply although you may not have 30 apostolic figures,say, as you would pastors and teachers, the one church may have regular visits from say, 5 to 10 Terry Virgos. You say,I thought it was one church network,one apostle? Not according to the Bible it isn't. In the Bible, although Paul enjoyed the fact that he was often laying foundations in virgin territory in Gentile hearts,do you see one reference to Paul's apostolic network? No, it was always the Church of Jesus Christ. With our present apostolic networks it is debatable whose church they are. If Jesus tries to send in workers from alternative sources because He doesn't like the incestuousness in a particular Church ministry, even so that ministry pyramid will still, in their blindness prevent the very sent ones from having any effect. More sensitive souls fearing God, would know already that for Jesus to even specially organise infiltration from outside is already a sign that His patience is running out,possibly leading to "the removal of a candlestick." I'll give you an historic reminder and example in the form of Emsworth Church, UK. Ed Miller chided Emsworth for giving their main apostle Jorge Pradas too high honour, as if he was their head, and not Jesus. What Emsworth " heard" was Ed Miller's own disappointment that it wasn't him that had been chosen. This was not in Ed's heart I believe.With Ed out of the picture, Jesus then sent in people from "nowhere"(at least nowhere as far as Emsworth's Pyramid was concerned !).And they were all brought in to widen vision,extend truth and give warning. They were John Christie a prophet all the way from New Zealand , Costa Deir the FGBMI man who was the most

sober and drawn that I have ever seen this apostle of Joy,a Cuban ex nun called Rosita and finally and not least Maeve who had led Bono to Jesus. Churches split over leadership issues because JESUS WILL NOT supply grace enabling for one CEO Pastor as head of a church. Jesus is Head over His Church so why is He going to supply grace to a usurper? Churches have many pastors and teachers and many other ministries,and their role is to bring the whole Body into hearing the Head of the Church for themselves.
Issue 3. Truth
Spiritual truth is not really intellectual. Some who are trained intellectually will be able to relay Spirit Truth in better sounding language and some "cleverness of speech",but really Spirit Truth is Power and Love. It is revelation to your insides....that is, the very programming system on which your life runs. In a nutshell it is the impartation that the you you thought was you has died with Christ on the cross....the life (centre) you now live from is Christ, or ChristYou if you will, since your life is now bound up with,interleaved with,hidden in Christ in God. Since there is no human way of talking about this or even imparting it,all true Spirit ministries pray for a gift of utterance. In other words each time we open our mouths we are dependant on a miracle....it is not really human speech at all, even though at surface it may appear to be fairly normal.When we share in Spirit and Truth people who hear us REALLY get delivered. Signs and wonders follow. These things do not follow cleverness of speech....they follow the simplicity of Holy Spirit impartation.
Issue 4.In Spirit and in Truth or Word and Spirit, as prophesied by Smith Wigglesworth when around 1947, speaking of the coming Last outpouring , is not a contradiction for a church raised on "worshipping in Spirit and Truth" Only human darkness tries to deify intellectual truth , to live at variance with the Proverbs 3:5 command of Trust in the Lord with all your heart and DO NOT rely on your insight. Because we ran churches from our insight we were unable to run them on God's twins of Spirit and Truth. Christ says out of your bellies shall flow Rivers of Living Water. We run churches out of our bellies. We are to gird up our loins with the belt of Truth.....doesn't say anything about wearing that Truth Belt round our leftbrain on our heads.
Issue 5.Until we "see in His light" we think having worship groups is OK.When the church gathers each has a component to bring but as from the One Spirit....a psalm,a hymn, a teaching,a prophecy. Why? I thought the worship group were the special people who led and the congregation follow. Well if saints are going to learn "in Spirit and Truth" by doing you'd better keep it short with the worship group, or muzzle them right down.You'd better seriously assess whether your teaching or preaching will further the aims of getting people further in Spirit and Truth. If yet again all you have to hit them over the head with are OLD Testament or worse still New Testament Laws but never pointing to the Fulfiller of those Laws within them...I'd seriously consider taking several years out of your idea of ministry and learn the Spirit CHURCH way of doing things in Spirit and Truth. I have laid everything aside for years,holding down a normal job, in order to learn. I'd seriously encourage many others to do this. After all the first 30 years was how Jesus came into His ministry. If you as a "charismatic" ministry try to minister in a Church moving in Spirit and Truth you may well be caught with your pants down....worse still...your genitals actually showing....because you just have not spent long enough in a framework where you can girt your loins about with a GENUINE Belt of Truth and you are in fact still only girt around with fig leaves. Instead of Rivers of Water pouring from your insides , the Spirit and Truth congregation look aghast as a trail of hot empty air issues from your mouth,from which no one gets fed."The sinner shall not stand in the congregation of the upright" Psalm One
Issue 6 In Spirit and in Truth then is a twin pronged attack,the one ideally suited to the other,to bring forth Christ in individuals and in corporate expressions of Christ. While we remain as "children" in the backward notion that Truth is somehow the leftbrain part, and Spirit much of the rest, we fall back into the evangelical notion of the constituent parts of a human. Largely, they believe we have some sort of pea sized spirit in the centre, round this is a larger soul, and round this is a larger body. As Daniel Yordy's updated diagram shows from New testament scriptures....in fact the song which says "I've got the Holy Spirit ALL OVER ME" is much more accurate . The Holy Spirit is entwined with my spirit and encompasses everything about me. This is why we say we have the mind of Christ. This is why we say we who are mature have had our senses trained according to righteousness. Spirit is the WHOLE DEAL, not some relegated part according to charismatics, who are forever trying to "get into the Spirit".It is the constant believing of what Christ says about us rather than giving flesh any room with performance related measurement devices. We have died. If I slip I return as the verse says...in returning and rest I am saved,in quietness and confidence shall.be my strength ISAIAH 30:15...


Cliff Gableman and Barbara Hughes like this..
André van der Merwe Strong stuff Chris! Lovin' it!!
Yesterday at 00:21 · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading....Cliff Gableman Great holiday, great word, it's all Jesus........His life lived in and through us, by and only through the power of the Spirit!!! Thanks Chris

Worship in Spirit and Truth Part 2 by Chris Welch on Facebook Saturday, 23 April 2011 at 23:46.

Issue 7. When we see "Spirit and Truth" as "God going on" we begin to understand much more about reality.God is Spirit and cannot lie.Although He Himself is at rest His purposes in the Earth were switched on at Creation and continue pretty much regardless of whether we are close to Him or not.Day to Day pours forth speech regardless. In the last century and a half women have come to the fore. Now with closed religious minds we either ignore this, trying to keep our tin container structures with their lids firmly on, or we open our eyes to see that it was always God's intention to have women co ruling with men. Because of the stupid inflexibility of the Catholic and Anglican churches women have had to rebel, and "bust out" sideways so to speak. What should have been a glorious rising appreciated by born again and spirit-filled men,through total religious darkness,became instead a messy war of first the suffragettes,then feminism, at first so much mixed in with a worker's uprising,Christian Labour, later more and more atheistic and Marxist,ending with an almost universal rejection and loathing for the whole Church.But this was never God's heart. In fact pretty much the same would have occurred far earlier if people had got hold of St Paul's actual revelation, rather than getting so hung up about veils,hats and headcoverings.He would in fact have gone apoplectic with rage at how the religious spirits had diverted his original Spirit intentions in what he wrote.Returning to "God going on" is simply abandoning the fake.It is the genuine of the phrase "KEEPING IT REAL". Each new generation longs for this and whether it be 60s hippies taking off their clothes....to be just who they are...or whether it be 90s and 2000s clubbers taking the Ecstacy drug (E's as in Ebeneezer Goode,Ebeneezer Goode,E's are good,Ebeneezer Goode)in order to loosen the left-brain control on relationships, and release a chemically boosted love atmosphere......All these are attempts at returning to an intimacy, a friendly innocence with one another.....while in fact totally maintaining the original lie that is that our so-called independence is a sham,it is totally interwoven with a false spirit who keeps each generation in turn in their "Particular manifestation of bondage".Owning up to the fact that we need to be empowered by God's Spirit at all times, even to return to being the original functioning beings that God always purposed...is the BIG step we each have to make.More defined than this...Christ wants to live As Us...returning us to "God going on". Jesus pioneered this walk(The Father as Him)....not to return to heaven and laugh as we try and have a go. But to shower us with the full LIGHT concerning the complete work He did for us on the Cross. The more complete we get to see was His Work, the more we get to walk away free...really free...HIM as Us!!!

Issue 8 Spirit and truth has this aspect....particularly in our early days....of quickly cutting us off from "endarkened leftbrain living". Living from what we can sense and measure means we live from Satan's and "our" selfimposed limitations. We live from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil. This is the first target of all the work of the Holy Spirit to bring us into Truth. What Truth? That since conversion we in fact live out from a God who knows no limits. What use our measures and senses when we are called to "pull down" from the realm that knows no limitation. What looks messy to onlookers viewing Christian "lacks,frustrations,continual crisis living" is nothing other than the underside of the rug weave, because the glorious pattern on the top of the rug is one of believers with strong faith muscles, with Rivers of faith in their bellies. Why in heaven's Name do we think Jesus began His Kingdom course in Matthew 5 with the Beattitudes. He can hardly be accused of misselling His Apostolic Training Course! "This is how it is going to be fellas.....up for it?"So Spirit and Truth tackles our personal Darkness head on with these tools : needs,lacks,persecution. But in the Holy Spirit with these tools: all the gifts of the Spirit as well as explosions and releases of all the "fruit" of the Spirit. Initially as "downpayment" format ,individually and corporately, later as a more embedded character and gifting as we learn the trick of living fulltime AS Him. Existing ministries patronise,shield their flocks....spend endless years "describing what a good Christian life should look like" rather than imparting the death and resurrection of Christ that has occurred already at their people's centre.They prevent their flock from worshipping in Spirit and Truth, from learning how to operate in Spirit and Truth, from "piecing their own heaven together in the Spirit", preferring to transfer more endless hours of leftbrain truths to already overburdened darkened minds. As a rule of thumb....saints don't need any more leftbrain measurements , they need more Spirit impartation...some of which will be Christ's own thoughts.We were given minds to think and discover God thoughts....but that is only a small part of the vocabulary of Spirit and Truth living. Many are the very real, but hardly articulatable things the Spirit does in us....well often hard to relay at the time, becoming huge strands of teaching later on, as we learn all that He was doing. Spirit and Truth is "experience". It is substance. St Paul at one stage says he longs to visit a church to impart some gift to the believers. That is how Truth is in this new realm. It is concrete. Selwyn Hughes broke off from a course of teaching one Saturday night in 73 in London, saying he felt to minister on fear, and particularly the fear of man. He imparted the antidote, boldness and faith in God. All in the room received something "in Spirit and Truth". This was early days....but this was God's real church in action. I even had a physical manifestation in a wart on my hand just fizzling away within 2 days. Yet it had been there for months.


Gary Sigler and André van der Merwe like this..
Barbara Hughes Excellent!!
21 hours ago · LikeUnlike