Ministry Training - A More Biblical look

 
So he's haring around in the Pentecostal - scalping and magic showman fashion , and he has a heart attack in 1961, and a bit like David and his anger over the new cart, Morris Cerullo asks God resentfully what that is about ?

' God says , "Son,build Me an army ,"

Morris sits on that one for a while then launches a 6 month School of ministry in the El Cortez hotel in San Diego .

He learns that a better use of time and money is to hire huge sport stadiums and venues , do evening crusades to masses and do Schools of Ministry during the day time when he would bring in twenty to thirty cutting edge international ministries .

The Holy Spirit impartation power in the New Covenant is such that you can forcefully plant a seed or even the whole thing in a short time .

Many of the biggest ( secondlevel ) churches were built through people grabbing hold of Spirit ppwer 

and principles at these Schools of Ministry .

Early groundwork was achieved at Rees Howells Bible College . This was both living alongside a person with international calling to intercession, as well as impartational teaching.

How do I know ? I don't know anybody else but just one bedroom had Rheinhard Bonnke in and Bryn Jones . That's not bad for just one Bible College bedroom!!!

There's not one Bible College or seminary or church or YWAM university understands training for ministry . They all get some of it but they aren't reading their Bibles properly .

Jesus brokering the New Covenant .

Yes He came perfect but having laid His glory aside .

- He was God learning Mandom for 30 years as a man .

Being aquainted with us at all points but without sin .

- He learned life Proverbs 3.6 style without succumbing once to any Genesis 3 initiation .

- At 30 baptism in water .....to fulfil all righteousness ....He was perfect so it wasn't for  cleansing......this baptism and anointing.....well think of it as a whole body dedication or Romans 12.1 portal into a brand new thing on the earth .....the Priesthood of the Order of Melchizedek.

So already the Bible is describing two things  not a training on earth makes absolute enough .

If you read Norman Grubbs book on Rees Howells you will get some faith training patterns 

WE HAVE TO LEARN TO COME OFF THE GENESIS THREE PLATFORM ...not only in our spirit which Jesus already did for us, but in our soul . We have to go through the Cross . In different ways we lose everything to gain things back in a resurrection here and now.  We have the Matrix pipes pulled out , so as new autonomous Christ me Galatians 2.20 persons God can ADD things back to us ....and we control the things from the Holy Spirit out , rather than Matrix feed pipes using us from the rear as their avatar .

It's kind of handy to have both the Matrix film memes and Avatar film memes to help us understand how spiritual AND MANY NATURAL things operate .

We learn ZÖE LIFE FAITH IN THE MUDDY FIELD TO GET THE TREASURE 

OR THE PARABLE OF THE SERVANTS IN THE FIELD .....PART ONE ....THE FIELD .

Jesus , the God who created the universe took 30 years . Jus' sayin'. Don't beat yourself up .

Part Two of that parable would be the Master's House .....UNTIL HE IS SATISFIED .

Jesus did things Himself in that order .....but really they changed with His teaching.

His teaching ....a bit like Moses with Joshua and Elijah teaching Elisha , is a COMBO .

Jesus teaches life and heavenly protocols im tandem ....and ofcourse one is a material shadow of the other in any case .

Book of Ezra and Book of Nehemiah .

After Acts 2 we get further acceleration .

Yup .

After baptism in the Spirit we learn to go into our inner room .....but unlike non born again meditation , Jesus lives there ....we shut our soul doors to our customary soul union with the devils tree of good andevil ......and teach our soul some more Christ union life , fellowshipping with the Father of our souls.

But the other acceleration area is both the holy place and 1 Corinthians12 church ....the pillar and ground of truth .....the only place on earth we can learn life off the Genesis 3 platform and also living from our new  Psalm 123 single eye .

That's not all . When Jesus ascended He did something else Morris Cerullo was doing but our solo pyramid synagogue builders refuse to do all over the earth .....Jesus gave gifts to men .

Paul describes 14 different  ministry gifts in 3 lists :

Ephesians 4.11...

Ecclesia founding ones 

Romans 12.6-8 and 1 Corinthians 12:27 -8

I was in Bible House with 20 to 30 others for 6 years . Talk about unspeakable things coming to the surface !!!! But it gave some initial insight to how fast true thirdlevel church can be and that certainly is what Ephesians 4 seems to say .

We have seen Morris Cerullo heading off on this direction with only a few days ministry , YWAM with 12 weeks , and Bible House with one or more years. Self righteous middle class and upper class people take longer because they THINK they know a lot already . WRONG. They never built on the  actual rock of Galatians 2.20 and Colossians 3 3 or  perhaps Proverbs 3.6. 

So that's why Jesus says ' unless you become  like a child you shall not see the Kingdom .'

SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD.......JESUS AS KING 

AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ..HIS COVERING RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THE ACTUAL SPIRIT MAN SWITCH WHERE THE OLD PERSON IS GONE AND THE NEW HAS COME .....CHRIST .

AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WILL COME BACK  ADDED UPON THIS NEW UNION FOUNDATION....EACH THING AT THE RIGHT TIME.

The All of Life concept

 Crowley writes spell books. So you think you are reading them at the surface level of meaning , but other hooks are happening .

Witches use a whole host of "means ". Animated writing . Writing that others can't see .

Do you see that while there is a power of God to do freaky things , the sheer power of God that the devil tries to emulate , is that every natural thing is a prophecy in plain sight ?

I will repeat that .

Every thing in our life is a direct prophecy of something .

God going on is this CENTRAL SOURCE LIFE .

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK LIKE ANYTHING .

IT IS .

To even have existence building his own separate throne , everything the devil does must be to the left or right of God's life .

If he stays too far , then it must be done in extreme shadows , hence the word occult . Why ? Because we , whoever we are , are repulsed by the devil's extremes , having come from God ourselves . We haven't come from God as Jesus who is the Second Person of God , came from God . But nevertheless we are creatures of His design , and are repulsed were Satan to reveal who he is and the depths of his works and thoughts . 

So he has to hang around pretty close to where the action is . That's what Revelation 12 is saying .

He hangs around seeing what's next .

He hangs around waiting for the Next Manchild . The next thing conceived and brought forth from God .

What I'm trying to get over is the " work " of our generation . It's been exceedingly subtle .

God said to us " set up a way in the wilderness for multitudes to walk upon "

The parable of the servants in the field says that one portion of things , is very visible , external service . Then there's the service at the Master's table until He is satisfied .

Jesus Himself , as a Man did things in this order .

First 30 years , very outward service , including local carpenter  

Then He entered into ministry " serving the Master " at table . When the Father was satisfied . The work of the Cross . The " it is finished " at the Cross. The willingness to go ahead in Gethsemane . " Nevertheless , not My will but Thine be done ....etc 

God the Father raised Jesus , to make Him Lord and Christ and put on servants garb to serve His Son , as Jesus , now Name above all Names , is given as Head to the Church .

Jesus is doing two things .

To the 7 billion in the world , people of faith and no faith , He is doing a mega , massive version of hiding His Face like Joseph did , and getting the brothers to do an operation WHEREBY THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DID TO HIM .

THE MILITARY CALL IT OPTICS .

We across the earth have to see what Genesis 3 is .

What a crock Satan's lie is .

That there's nothing that truly exists outside of God .

So that all learn life on this planet .

We have to see that .

Each and everybody personally , intrinsic to us .

As we are going into the kitchen , we have to learn if it's God doing it .

If we are with friends we have to learn love ....if it is God doing it .

If we are bringing up kids , if it is God doing it .

If we are selling , when it is manipulation , and when it is God wanting the person to have an item .

If we are addressing an item of politics .....basic administration .....whether God is in that policy .

People have to see if for themselves .

This TOO is the meaning of " Surely as truly as I live all the world will be filled with the knowledge of My glory as the waters cover the sea".

So there's the Romans 1 in creation aspect of glory .The sunsets and the oceans  and the high glorious mountains etc 

There's the hidden away at the Master's table aspect of glory , serving Him in praise until He is satisfied . I spent , along with many charismatics , my teens , and twenties doing that , leading in worship and writing songs , and learning to extemporise on flute , classical guitar and then a bit on keyboards before the Throne in worship gatherings . Dave Tomlinson did his apostling of early house church groups across the North of England as a late teen and into his twenties , but then he knew there was something we were missing .

Norman Grubb and his wife Pauline came to the same conclusion a whole generation prior as they served as missionaries .

David learned about the four stages humans pass through from M Scott Peck . Norman learned about the last three stages mentioned as 1 John 2 in the Bible .

So a whole generation of us have been learning Galatians 2.20 in whole of life for the last 35 years or so . Its like an extended meeting where the same Holy Spirit directs us to do things ....it's just a much longer meeting .

If we get too caught up with finding Jesus as an emotion , as a felt Presence .....we miss jumping in with both feet holding our nose .....and believing that the same God who directs meetings , is well able to direct the whole of life .

This is something of the " cut off " that the Fisherfolk made from the early charismatic part of their lives and serving the new movement in Britain from Yeldall Manor in Britain , to when , if any of you recall , they disappeared off to a Scottish Island to find themselves further as an all of life community .

Betty Pulkingham wrote the Book " Celebrate the Whole of it ". It's very significant that she wrote this book because she was the trained musician . And like me jacking in the role of just being a musician she was making a whole of life statement .

This was the point I was making in the sentence that I included Adam Michael Kranichfield .

The devil never made the transition .And if you've ever led in worship and tasted the collective power of leading worship as I have , you sort of understand the choice the devil was faced with .

And he chose the wrong choice .

There's a whole generation of charismatics who have got bored with the charismatic scene , or sensed it's missing something , and they have left the arena !!!!

Now is the danger moment . Will they find the Truth ?

Or will they go and find the squiggly animated writing ? Will they be like Solomon , led into the seduction of the deepest darkest rituals of black magic and controlling 72 demons or whatever , which has now become the central lore of Freemasonry , and Kabbalism and Crowley , and trying to create transhumanism and being a part of the Beast system .

Jesus was inserted right there , Into that very lineage of evil some 2000 years early . He was inserted into the Beast system , the one Nebuchadnezzar tasted for 7 years then confessed that God was the glorious Potentate , and not him at all . Jesus was born in a beast feeding trough in the House of Bread .

The whole Feast system is built around Bread .

The Feast of Tabernacles is built around the Feadt of the outpouring of the Water .

And its built round the Feast of Ingathering .

And the framework or Infrastructure is flimsy 4 Wood tabernacles with a roof with holes in .

It's a safe infrastructure to bring people into .....But it's NOT THE THING . ITS NOT A STONE TEMPLE .

Because THE THING is flesh and blood Jesus in you and me .

So , yes there's gifts of the Spirit , and extraordinary things . Yes ,there's going to be the Presence of God like you won't believe  ....

But the carrying Acacia box base is buying the field of mud , to get the treasure .

That's the point I was trying to make .

We are in the middle of something way higher than trying to get high , or some Crowleyan spell like writings ,or witches animated writings on stones in the mountains , where like Mount Hermon there is a portal and Jessie Czebotar says there are many under the earth waiting to be raised .

Lift up your heads o ye Gates etc 

We aren't in a charismatic middling realm .

Pentecost isn't the final destination, it's the eating of Bread . It's letting Jesus form Himself in me .

When I was in adultery , my desperate mum contacted her previous reverend who was our minister in Berkhamsted Methodist Church .

Maurice Cartledge was always born again but now he was part of the new move getting baptised in the Spirit. He knew David Tomlinson , so he contacted him . Dave contacted Alan Vincent ( father of Rachel Hickson by the way) and Alan came and investigated us  . At the time we were walking correctly .

But one day a few months later , we fell just once more . Once more and the very next day like the prophet on King David's doorstep , Alan , who was from about 15 or 20 miles away , was at the door asking us point blank ......

Or me , more precisely ....because that was the chain of people set in motion by my Mum .....

Did you commit adultery ?

And so it is , 46 years later I am here on the South Coast and not in the Herts and Bucks area , where Alan and Eileen drove me , where God could re establish my life .

There's something better than the charismatic / Pentecostal message and it's Romans 12.1-2, whole of life worship , and placement , and 

BEING ON LOCATION FOR GOD .

We have just not been right enough! Andre Oosthuizen and Chris Welch

 

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by Chris Welch on Friday, 14 October 2011 at 10:54

Andre Oosthuizen
Here is our historical problem in Christianity, and therefore the theological challenge for our future!
Because of misreading Adam's story, we have misread Israel story, and Moses's story, and therefore misread Jesus' story !Having misread the incarnation story, we have inappropriately interpreted the story of the cross, which includes a misreading of Paul’s atonement theology, and misguided...ly designing much mistaken salvation theology!Our misreading of the the Last Adam's story has led to our failure to come to grips with the radical nature of Jesus Christ's story, as the Saviour of the WorldChristianity's story has not been wrong, we have just not been right enough!
Chris Welch
Chris Welch This fundamental wrong reading of God the Father's Heart has led to a portrayal of His plan that just absolutely doesnt impress the Jews at all either.In the long spectrum of history in the image Jesus taught individuals about how you get more faith, was the servants.The servants in the field sweating long and hard were like the Jews under the Old Covenant. The 2000 years of the church have been like the servants, now brought indoors, serving and waiting on the Master's table "Until He is satisfied." Every week in all the earth for 2000 years the prayer Thy Kingdom Come has been uttered. Well the Master is now satisfied, He has wiped His mouth,brushed Himself off, and is even now girding Himself in His servant's garb....to serve whoever will take up His invitation. Without reference to Law. Without reference to churchianity. He said "The sons of the Kingdom are not interested, so go out now into the highways and byways, the hedgerows and gutters AND COMPEL THEM TO COME IN."This is not based on Law. The Jews never listened. This is not based on church, this thing cannot be housed in a building. The Church never listened. "That every mouth be stopped". THIS is the Perfect STORM of ALL AGES. This is 24 hour 7 Day a week Pots and Pans Cry Holy to the Lord Kingdom of God.This is the Capstone being placed with shouts of Grace (for forgiveness) Grace (for the TOTALLY EXCHANGED LIFE) To It.This is what makes the older brothers jealous. When thefulness of the Gentiles is come in. Fulness did not just mean quantitive. Fulness meant the drunken paralytic bozo, and the wasted heroin torn prostitute suddenly experiencing a LIFE EXCHANGE and becoming Kings of the HILL! Now that just got the Jews and the rest of dead Christianity's attention. Or hatred, or a bit of both!

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    Rich Novek If you start out wrong, how can you end up right? But somehow this truth is hard to grasp, especially for the one who has given his life to the "churchianity" system of lifeless dead religion!
    

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    Rich Novek When I was a young kid I once got lost in the woods going to my deer stand. I could have swore I was headed north to my deer stand, but my compass was next to my gun barrel and giving me a wrong reading! This is modern day Christianity! They think they are headed toward the light, BUT..." If that light IN you is darkness, how great is that darkness?" (Mathew 6:23)
    

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    To me one of the biggest telltales in the misreading of history exaggerated particularly in Luther and the Catholics...who are agreed on little else...is their view of Jews. Such a huge thing was made of the Jews missing Jesus. Christians m...iss Jesus every Sunday, but i have never ever heard of anyone thinking of lining them up and using a machine gun! God KNEW the Jews would miss Jesus. He knew they would behave like wallies and ask God to have His blood upon them for centuries. He has had to be bound by their oath, because the Earth is given to men...BUT THERE IS STILL A WINK IN IT....because EVERY MOUTH IS STOPPED.....Everyone in the flesh behaves the same way.We are as BLIND as BAT while we are empowered by the devils spirit...(but Less directional).The Proverbs One scenario where WISDOM just stands and laughs at us....and we stand there with egg on our face...is our "wake up moment". It's not God's wake up call. it's just the way sin and judgment, cause and effect, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil works. The whole system...the matrix if you will....is what happens if we switch off from the ONLY LIFE in the Universe. The Jews rejecting Jesus Had to happen....and all God did was say "Right.....we'll use this rejection to get the rest of the planet in!!!!!!" You read Romans. It's all there. If their rejection is our inclusion, what will their acceptance be......BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD. Have you ever seen an atomic explosion of Life going off? I've seen a small one in our school. Imagine a really BIG ONE.See more

    
    

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    THIS is the Perfect STORM of ALL AGES. This is 24 hour 7 Day a week Pots and Pans Cry Holy to the Lord Kingdom of God.This is the Capstone being placed with shouts of Grace (for forgiveness) Grace (for the TOTALLY EXCHANGED LIFE) To It.This... is what makes the older brothers jealous. When thefulness of the Gentiles is come in. Fulness did not just mean quantitive. Fulness meant the drunken paralytic bozo, and the wasted heroin torn prostitute suddenly experiencing a LIFE EXCHANGE and becoming Kings of the HILL! Now that just got the Jews and the rest of dead Christianity's attention. Or hatred, or a bit of both! wow!!!!See more

    
    

    

    
    

The Bride and a synagogue : The Difference

 "What is a seminary?  
A baby  pacifier , a dummy, a milk substitute? Why? because the milk and meat supplier is the Woman, the Bride, the Church. Where there is no Woman overshadowing the Manchild (Rev12) to bring it forth....no proper milk....then stuff a seminary in its mouth to suck on."

The Bride first and foremost is in love.
She loves her Bridegroom with a passion. She loves God so much she fulfils the First Commandment and the Second.She loves God with all her heart
all her strength
all her soul
all her mind.....in that order. and loves her neighbour as herself.

No other on the earth fulfils the First Commandment .
The Bride in consummating Her love exists to bear children.
The Bride does not "do evangelism", she bears children and raises them in her form.

The synagogue goes 200 miles to make one convert , and them twice the son of hell that they are.
The Bride does not worship as an activity. She worships as a reflex. She breathes worship.

The synagogue "trains" its people, and its special people it sends to seminary. Everything it does  it does at one remove.
The Bride is the heart of Christ in the Earth. The Bride is in Union with Her Lover. She bears and raises her Manchild in her very own form. Her "means", is the same as Her essence, Body Life. Life co-shared between individuals who know they have died and the Life they now live is Christ. Theirs is no "Christ and"  type of existence. Because they know they were there at the Cross, co crucified along with Christ, they know there is no them and Christ, rattling around like two peas in a pod. There is no question of the Bride doing any activity to try and join herself to the Bridegroom, as she realises that any delusion of separation between the two was destroyed utterly at the Cross.

The synagogue does everything at one remove, because it ALWAYS believes there are two. When a synagogue uses the word church, it does so in this "Christ and " reference. There is a separate Christ out there, and a people forming a kind of club that call themselves the church trying to reach Him.

There are unbelieving synagogues. There are believing synagogues.Of believing Christian synagogues
the main difference between an evangelical synagogue and a charismatic synagogue is about 10 minutes of singing in tongues, and maybe a gift of prophecy  once a month.

Because a synagogue is Christ Life once removed...or at a distance....what the Song of Solomon refers to as the "daughters of Jerusalem" , the lack of actual Union Life, has to be substituted with external additives and adornments to make up for the absence of proper internal life.
The Bride brings forth its own Manchild of mature ministries.The synagogue has to invent her seminary system.
The Bride's Own mature ministries feed into the Bride together. On the Day of Pentecost Peter stood with the eleven. All the apostles continued feeding the young church in Jerusalem.
The synagogue is run in the pattern of her father the devil, which is a geometry of no life, a pyramid, held in place by coercian from the top.
The Bride has its own complicated and internal structure based on One Life Source present in all her members. Christ is the Cornerstone who keeps the building together. Or viewed as a Body in Ephesians, the Body builds itself in love. Ephesians 4 :15 -16 speaking the truth in love we are to grow up in all aspects unto Him who is the Head even Christ, from whom the whole Body, being fitted and held together by that which every joint supplies according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.
Just as you can no more describe how the human body works but by Christine my wife doing a three year nursing course into its complexity of lifegiving functions, so in the same way each part having Union Life with its Saviour gives natural expression to that same Life. In fact in this Ephesians passage is the circular nature of the description. Each part builds up the Body so that each part may build up the Body!!! The Bride extends Herself. She is like a mansion of housebuilding extensions that all build extensions.

Body Life happens where it lives. It takes its form from its own life.
Synagogue life happens at one remove. It needs a place specially marked out in advance to function.
Body life functions anyway, wherever it gathers, whatever it is doing.

Synagogue life takes decades and each successive generation is a watered down version of the last.
A Synagogue leader or rabbi surrounds him or herself with people they can trust to go along with their particular slanted vision. This will be friends and family members.
The Bride builds herself up co ordinatedly and not with huge lumpy outgrowths of say, faith, or a particular teaching, or a particular style of meeting. Each member of the Bride has her own DNA, her own propensity to a single eye, that is to seeing Christ going on, regardless of in who and in what format or style. The Bride adds vision to her circle of understanding as she collectively pursues Her Beloved.
The Bride maintains Unity of Spirit, because that is the address where she lives,(she lives from Christ Himself,) until she is established in the Unity of the faith. I am not naive enough to believe that this doesn't involve friction, but just as sin itself requires a skilful Body technique, so does the whole question of differences. The Body hammers things out, but on the basis of unconditional love, and seeing One at the centre of all things.The Body "technique" for sin and differences is "In returning and rest shall be your salvation, in quietness and confidence/trust is your strength."
A seed form of Bride life both for the local church, and the international Body was Bible Houses. Their life together was built on the above verse and
"Seek Me and live".Amos 5:4.
Bible houses never "fully worked" because they never fully understood the 3rd level fatherhood stage of 1 John 2. But their pattern came in the Spirit through Ed Miller, and had the churches continued to receive his 3rd level input and not tried to work a 3rd level pattern with 2nd level techniques, many ensuing problems would have been sorted.One of Ed's Words that he attempted to introduce was "ministry from spiritual eunuchs". First and second level ministries marry their churches and live in 3 way open relationships with Christ. Just as this is gross sin in the natural,it is even worse, more widespread and more devastating in spiritual life.Third level ministries have learned to be eunuchs, preparing the Bride alongside the Holy Spirit for the One Bridegroom.

 The Bride lives from the concept that the Body lives from One Life, Christ. Just as a natural body tends to work towards unity of function , so in the Spirit the Christward direction tends towards unity, healing and from one degree of glory to another.

The synagogue preserves the previous generations' one sided truths in aspic, for future museum visitors to view in its glass case.
 The synagogue thinks in a linear fashion which leads to circular behaviour. Going round mountains in wildernesses.
The Bride thinks in a Jewish and God- related circular fashion according to cycles ,times and seasons, and harvests, so that her behaviour is ever more linear ,striding along the centre of God's own history in the earth.

 The synagogue only operates in a Holy Spirit human order mix.
The Bride only exists in the Oxygen of the Melchizedek order. She has no life outside that order.
Jesus is her agenda, her means, her place, her pattern.

People argue about the gifts of the Spirit.
Charismatic synagogues attach the gifts to their circular behaviours.
Whereas the bride's own inner union with, her life source she lives from is :
God, who laid His own glory aside
to become something new.
"Today I have begotten you"
Christ was begotten the Son of man. The second Adam.
For thirty years He lived a natural life as a Man , but IN HIS FATHER.
When asked about how to increase faith by his disciples He told his own story:
as a 30 year old man. In the position of servant in God's kingdom, you begin your human life sweating in the scorching sun of the  field. At the end of the day, dogtired you serve the Master His meal and drink until He has had sufficient. You are serving in the second mile!!! Somewhere in that 30 year process in Jesus ' life was formed Fatherhood of identity, which eventually led to the inner communication that now was the time He lay down His tools and enter into ministry.
At His baptism in Jordan, His own Father announces His Son. This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. This was marking the change where the servant then sits down for a meal, and this time the Master, here the father girds Himself as a servant and co operates with Jesus in His new Ministry. It is upon the Son that the dove comes down to rest.
And it is always upon this Son , from our first day of conversion, that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is conferred.

Try as we might to avoid it, the Bride moves from a Man who first in His natural life for 30 years, matured as one living in the Father, and then after baptism matured as one in Holy Spirit ministry for 3 years. This is the nature of the Inner life the Bride moves from. The gifts are not strained adjuncts to a life lived at one remove, like the structure of Synagogues, but they are perfumes of the One Life that the Bride all share, in the context of continual Body Life.

Jesus trained the disciples from the word go by sending them out to experience the gifts of the Spirit. They were present as he preached and the Spirit fell upon the multitude. Sometimes God's Presence was there to heal, and in meetings now we are aware of God's presence coming as a River in one particularly strong way, and tens or hundreds are touched simultaneously. What may take years of prayer is just swept away in ten seconds of God's river. The disciples were trained watching all this. But simultaneous to all this and in glorious coordinated balance to all this was Jesus own John 6 Word to all the disciples...Unless you eat of my flesh and drink my Blood you have not life within you.

Synagogues produce leaders with knowledge about a subject.
The mature emerging out of Body Life impart to the next group of believers this Eating of the flesh of Christ and the drinking of His Blood. This Life that ISNT at one remove. This Life of which Jesus will never have to say  "I never knew You", for Body Life is actually both the grace and the squeeze of the Way to the Truth to the Life:
The grace to impart and birth that very Life,
but also the squeeze coming like contractions  at childbirth, where each individual is challenged at the Cross about where their "inner seeing is divided" and not single-eyed.
"All Manchild children, all this Bride, this Revelation 12 Woman's offspring all say about this One Life of Christ, the same as said by any apostle in history:
This life that I have touched, tasted handled, I pass onto you.

Synagogue leaders say, "This Life I have seen afar off in a vision "
"This Life I have read of in a book, or have heard tell by someone who was once in a seminary, this Life at one remove I give lifelessly to you, that you too might pass on the stillbirth to others."