Showing posts with label JN Darby. Show all posts
Showing posts with label JN Darby. Show all posts
Tuesday, 19 April 2016
Going For the Bullseye,Going for Gold
Sunday, 2 June 2013
How could an idea the Jesus Movement were brought up on be so wrong?
Remember Larry Norman, I wish we'd all been ready?
How about Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth?
Remember how Bob Dylan converted then didn't "seem" to last 2 minutes as a Christian? Ever consider that a man whose first Christian CD contained the song " Gotta Serve Somebody" understood some things about Christianity right away, that us non Jews are only really getting now all this time after the Jesus Movement? So much for hippies tripping out on the East India Company and a Zionist (read Sionist /Caballist )agenda?
Dr Stephen Jones on the history of the Rapture
through Annalize Mouton on Facebook
If you want to understand where this "rapture of the church" idea comes from, read this:The futurist interpretation of the book of Revelation, which is taught in many evangelical and fundamentalist circles is a recent innovation, not having been popularized until the mid-1800’s. It was popularized by “Dr.” Scofield, a man of dubious character who awarded himself his doctor’s degree without any higher education.
In the early 1900’s Scofield was backed financially by a Jewish lawyer named Samuel Untermyer, who was one of the framers of the Federal Reserve Act and was the president of the occult Lotus Club in New York. Untermyer provided Scofield with free housing for about twenty years while he wrote his notes for the Scofield Bible. His motive was undoubtedly political, laying the groundwork to convince Christians to blindly support the Jewish State, which was already being planned by certain powerful Zionist Jews. Their motives were anything but Christian.
The futurist view of Revelation changed the feast of Tabernacles into “the rapture,” introducing a foreign concept into the prophetic feast days. The feast of Trumpets signifies the resurrection of the dead at the last trumpet. The Day of Atonement signifies the great day of repentance and fasting that follows the resurrection. The feast of Tabernacles is a seven-day period in which the seven drink offerings (bowls, or vials) of wine are poured out, one each day, signifying judgment. Yet at the same time the priest in the temple poured out drink offerings of water along with the wine, signifying the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (John 7:37-39).
Futurists retain the concept that the resurrection is the first event that initiates the coming of Christ. Only a few of them connect it with the feast of Trumpets, even though this feast has been known for thousands of years in Jewish circles as “the day of the awakening blast.” Jews have connected the feast of Trumpets with the resurrection, even if Christians forgot this truth.
The Day of Atonement occurs nine days after the Feast of Trumpets. It falls on the tenth day of the seventh month (Lev. 23:27). Some futurists connect the Day of Atonement with repentance, but normally limit it to a Jewish repentance of the 144,000. Their view is that the Church will already have been “raptured” at the time of the resurrection (i.e., the feast of Trumpets). In my view, there certainly will be Jews among those who repent on that day; however, the real repentance will be done by the believers who at present do not even know that they need to repent. The message to the latter-day Church of Laodicea in Rev. 3:17, 18 reflects this ignorance of the latter-day Church’s need to repent.
The week of Tabernacles is the lawful time it takes to consecrate the priests who are called to rule with Christ. Rev. 5:10 and 20:6 makes reference to these priests. Of course, they are not th e old Levitical priests, but are of the Order of Melchisedec, with Jesus Christ being the High Priest (Heb. 7:17). Yet the prophetic pattern of consecration is set in Leviticus 8:35, where Aaron and his sons were to remain in the tabernacle a full seven days, emerging only on the eighth day (Lev. 9:1).
In the days of Aaron, we find that the glory of God manifested to the people on the eighth day after the new priests emerged from the tabernacle. The story is told in Leviticus 9. This prophesies of the eighth day of Tabernacles, called in John 7:37 “the last day, the great day of the feast.” That this was the Feast of Tabernacles is established earlier in John 7:2. The primary event of the Feast of Tabernacles comes on this last great day of the feast, when the Holy Spirit is poured out in its fullness and the bodily change takes place in the overcomers (John 7:37-39).
The futurists, not understanding the prophetic feast days, added “the rapture” to the Feast of Trumpets and the resurrection of the dead. They limited the Day of Atonement to Jews only. And the seven days of Tabernacles was interpreted to be seven years of tribulation. Verses about the eighth day of Tabernacles, teaching the unveiling of the sons of God, were interpreted as “the rapture” and connected to the feast of Trumpets (resurrection day). In so doing, they missed entirely the significance of the eighth day of Tabernacles.
The purpose of the Feast of Tabernacles is to unveil the sons of God and empower them to finish the Great Commission. Daniel says the Kingdom of God (the “stone” Kingdom of Dan. 2:35) is to grow into a great mountain range that fills the whole earth. The futurist view takes believers out of the world and puts forth the Jews as the evangelists during the “tribulation.” What is most strange is that this view says that the Holy Spirit will be removed from the earth at this time. How can the work of evangelism be done by the 144,000 without the presence of the Holy Spirit? There would be no point to their preaching.
The priests poured out a pitcher of water on each of the seven days of Tabernacles. They did not do this on the eighth day, and it was on this day that Jesus shouted, “If any man is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. . . from his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.” John 7:39 supplies us with the interpretation. John says it prophesied of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Actually, Jesus was referring to Isaiah 12:2, 3,
2 Behold, God is my Yashua [“salvation”], I will trust and not be afraid; for the Lord God is my strength and son, and He has become my Yashua [“salvation”]. 3 Therefore you will joyously draw water from the springs of Yashua [“salvation”].
Yashua is the Hebrew name for Jesus. Jesus recognized that Isaiah 12 prophesied of Him, and this is why He spoke as He did on the eighth day of Tabernacles in John 7. Coming to Him for drink, we draw water from the springs, or wells, of Yashua.
Most assume, as I did for many years, that this was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. But Jesus did not speak these words at the feast of Pentecost. They were spoken on the eighth day of Tabernacles. Pentecost was, indeed, the time that the earnest of the Spirit was given (Eph. 1:14), and so it was partially fulfilled on that day. However, the greater fulfillment can only be the Feast of Tabernacles, the time that the fullness of the Spirit is given.
The futurists see “the rapture” in Revelation 4:1, when John is told to “come up hither.” Of course, that verse says nothing about a rapture. It is a somewhat desperate attempt to find the “rapture” in the book of Revelation. One would think that if the Apostles really taught this doctrine (as it is interpreted today), it would be the most prominent event in the entire book of Revelation. But because it is not to be found, futurists must resort to applying extra meaning to Revelation 4:1.
The rest of the book is then interpreted to refer to events AFTER “the rapture.” And so by the futurist interpretation, most of this book yet remains unfulfilled. They say it will be fulfilled over a period of seven years during “the great tribulation.” They also say that “the Antichrist” will come to power during this time—even though the term, “antichrist” never once appears in the book of Revelation. They generally interpret “the beast” to mean “the Antichrist,” even though the beasts of Daniel 7 and 8 are all references to world empires, and even the “little horn” of Daniel 7:8 is never called a “beast.” – Dr Stephen Jones
Friday, 6 July 2012
The Original Vision of Macdonald which got so badly twisted by JN Darby
JN Darby of the Brethren seems to have taken hold of MacDonald's utterance completely carnally in his understanding and twisted it into the Pretribulation Rapture Doctrine that is right across the world and especially in America. As you will read below, the original is far more in keeping with scripture and the realities of the subsequent outpourings of the Spirit in the nearly 200 years in between. And interestingly, the Brethren have continued down their fork in the road and largely missed the movements of the Spirit in the last 100 years. This to me shows again the real originator of this doctrine for it has both paralysed the church, as Ern Baxter pointed out and taken the Brethren movement right out of the Spirit's flow. But the vision is not like that at all!!!
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- The first account of MacDonald's utterance was published in 1840 in Norton's Memoirs p. 171-176, and the second account in 1861 in The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets p. 15-18. The two accounts were conflated by MacPherson in his book The Incredible Cover-up p. 151-154. The bold text below is from the first account:
"It was first the awful state of the land that was pressed upon me. I saw the blindness and infatuation of the people to be very great. I felt the cry of Liberty just to be the hiss of the serpent, to drown them in perdition. It was just 'no God.' I repeated the words, Now there is distress of nations, with perplexity, the seas and the waves roaring, men's hearts failing them for fear. Now look out for the sign of the Son of Man. Here I was made to stop and cry out, O it is not known what the sign of the Son of Man is; the people of God think they are waiting, but they know not what it is. I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light. I saw it was just the Lord himself descending from Heaven with a shout, just the glorified man, even Jesus; but that all must, as Stephen was, be filled with the Holy Ghost, that they might look up, and see the brightness of the Father's glory. I saw the error to be, that men think that it will be something seen by the natural eye; but 'tis spiritual discernment that is needed, the eye of God in his people. Many passages were revealed, in a light in which I had not before seen them. I repeated, 'Now is the kingdom of Heaven like unto ten virgins, who went forth to meet the Bridegroom, five wise and five foolish; they that were foolish took their lamps, but took no oil with them; but they that were wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.' 'But be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is; and be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit.' This was the oil the wise virgins took in their vessels - this is the light to be kept burning - the light of God - that we may discern that which cometh not with observation to the natural eye. Only those who have the light of God within them will see the sign of his appearance. No need to follow them who say, see here, or see there, for his day shall be as the lightning to those in whom the living Christ is. 'Tis Christ in us that will lift us up - he is the light - 'tis only those that are alive in him that will be caught up to meet him in the air. I saw that we must be in the Spirit, that we might see spiritual things. John was in the Spirit, when he saw a throne set in Heaven. But I saw that the glory of the ministration of the Spirit had not been known. I repeated frequently, but the spiritual temple must and shall be reared, and the fullness of Christ be poured into his body, and then shall we be caught up to meet him. Oh none will be counted worthy of this calling but his body, which is the church, and which must be a candlestick all of gold. I often said, Oh the glorious inbreaking of God which is now about to burst on this earth; Oh the glorious temple which is now about to be reared, the bride adorned for her husband; and Oh what a holy, holy bride she must he, to be prepared for such a glorious bridegroom. I said, Now shall the people of God have to do with realities - now shall the glorious mystery of God in our nature be known - now shall it be known what it is for man to be glorified. I felt that the revelation of Jesus Christ had yet to be opened up - it is not knowledge about God that it contains, but it is an entering into God - I saw that there was a glorious breaking in of God to be. I felt as Elijah, surrounded with chariots of fire. I saw as it were, the spiritual temple reared, and the Head Stone brought forth with shoutings of grace, grace, unto it. It was a glorious light above the brightness of the sun that shone round about me. I felt that those who were filled with the Spirit could see spiritual things, and feel walking in the midst of them, while those who had not the Spirit could see nothing - so that two shall be in one bed, the one taken and the other left, because the one has the light of God within while the other cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will he shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - but the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold.
I frequently said that night, and often since, now shall the awful sight of a false Christ be seen on this earth, and nothing but the living Christ in us can detect this awful attempt of the enemy to deceive - for it is with all deceivableness of unrighteousness he will work - he will have a counterpart for every part of God's truth, and an imitation for every work of the Spirit. The Spirit must and will be poured out on the church, that she may be purified and filled with God - and just in proportion as the Spirit of God works, so will he - when our Lord anoints men with power, so will he. This is particularly the nature of the trial, through which those are to pass who will be counted worthy to stand before the Son of man. There will he outward trial too, but 'tis principally temptation. It is brought on by the outpouring of the Spirit, and will just increase in proportion as the Spirit is poured out. The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept. I frequently said, Oh be filled with the Spirit - have the light of God in you, that you may detect Satan - be full of eyes within -be clay in the hands of the potter -submit to be filled, filled with God. This will build the temple. It is not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit, saith the Lord. This will fit us to enter into the marriage supper of the Lamb. I saw it to be the will of God that all should be filled. But what hindered the real life of God from being received by his people, was their turning from Jesus, who is the way to the Father. They were not entering in by the door. For he is faithful who hath said, by me if any man enters in he shall find pasture. They were bypassing the cross, through which every drop of the Spirit of God flows to us. All power that comes not through the blood of Christ is not of God.
When I say, they are looking from the cross, I feel that there is much in it - they turn from the blood of the Lamb, by which we overcome, and in which our robes are washed and made white. There are low views of God's holiness, and a ceasing to condemn sin in the flesh, and a looking from him who humbled himself, and made himself of no reputation. Oh! it is needed, much needed at present, a leading back to the cross. I saw that night, and often since, that there will be an outpouring of the Spirit on the body, such as has not been, a baptism of fire, that all the dross may be put away. Oh there must and will be such an indwelling of the living God as has not been - the servants of God sealed in their foreheads - great conformity to Jesus - his holy holy image seen in his people - just the bride made comely by his comeliness put upon her. This is what we are at present made to pray much for, that speedily we may all be made ready to meet our Lord in the air - and it will be. Jesus wants his bride. His desire is toward us. He that shall come, will come, and will not tarry. Amen and Amen Even so come Lord Jesus."
I agree with you Daniel. This agrees with the revelation given to Roland Pletts and others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_McDonald_(visionary)
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