Showing posts with label John G Lake. Show all posts
Showing posts with label John G Lake. Show all posts

Monday, 22 September 2025

My reply to Charlie Shamp on Lake and Hicks


Post by Charlie Shamp 

There is a price for glory.  

Not money. Not talent. Not charisma.  

But the raw currency of hunger; the kind that drives men to lock themselves away until heaven responds.   


In the dead of night, an angel met a desperate man. John G. Lake, once aflame with the Azusa Street revival’s fire, now wandered streets haunted by the absence of God’s glory. The divine messenger from heaven manifested and spoke to Lake, 

“The glory has left. But it will return to ANY man who pays the price of Acts 1-2.”  


For nine months, Lake vanished. No sermons. No crowds. Only a bedroom, a Bible, and a broken heart. When he emerged, hell itself recoiled:  

- Lepers grew new fingers as he prayed.  

- Bubonic plague (then called “Black Death”) withered under his microscope.  

- 625 churches erupted across South Africa in five years.  

- Spokane, Washington, became America’s healthiest city after 100,000 certified healings.  


How?  

Nine months. Nine months. Nine months with God! 


Tommy Hicks watched peers like A.A. Allen and Oral Roberts move in miracles; while he remained ordinary. Until he snapped.  


First 40 days: Fasting. Screaming. “GOD, WHERE ARE YOU?”  

Silence.  


Second 40 days: Emaciated. Defiant. “SHOW ME YOUR GLORY OR KILL ME.”  

Silence.  


Third 40 days: A skeletal man bargaining with eternity.  

Then: 

An angel named Healing Rain crashed into his room and spoke, 

“Your prayers stormed heaven’s throne. I’m assigned to you until death.”  


Argentina’s dictator, Juan Perón; a skin-cancer-ridden tyrant mocked Hicks:  

“Heal ME first.”  


Power exploded. Perón’s face healed. Stadiums overflowed. 3 million souls saved. Cabinet members wept as they kneeled 


Heaven’s waiting. Hell’s trembling.  

Who will pay the price to birth REAL REVIVAL?!

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This is Insufficient for this reason. 

My reply. 

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No no no no no no no

This is why this is all one flask of oil . Matthew25

This is precisely why Masons could prevail against Lake's work so easily. 

This is exactly why Elijah could be sent into a dizzy spin by Jezebel after the fire. 

If this is your idea of life in God read your Bible again. This isn't Kingdom . This is but human petulance. Give me power or I die .

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the 30 years of Jesus and His 42 months with the disciples.....nothing whatsoever. Its just screaming for power and temporary supernatural moves of God .

God is obliged to answer humans . He gave us the earth . But who will actually do the will of the Lord? The calling of the importunate widow at an unearthly hour is in the storyline somewhere , but so are all the other chapters in the gospel .

John wanted to call down fire upon a village . James and John were called sons of thunder. 

The Mark quartile holler and holler for mercy and helps. I know from experience thaf it would have been all Jesus could do to shut John Mark up for 42 months while the real apostolic foundation was being laid .

These guys holler in a different way but when they get their own way " helping other people " we see 150 years of Salvation Army and absolutely nothing changes. .....they go round with an ambulance picking up the fallout of the next of Evils policies but stopping absolutely nothing .

None of this emaciated yelling out for Jesus power does anything other than fill Argentinian stadiums . Jesus honours human will . He has to . He gave the earth to us but nobody is any nearer the Son of Man or ladder vision of a complete Body under One Head with angels ascending and descending with any of the consistency of Jesus life on earth . And this is the zöe we have received from heaven to build City on a Hill, a functioning Light on a Hill with lots of outstanding miracles and in less than 400 years the whole of Pagan Rome has shrivelled to nothing, yet it bestrode the then known world like one impenetrable fortress a bit like the later Iron Curtain .

Pentecost is so Insufficient as a statement. It was only ever the middle Feast. It tries its hardest to be something but Tabernacles is the Feast that has the pouring out of water and I gathering built within it structurally as well as Community and something for believers to come into .

Otherwise we get 5 week or 5 months blips of power then a few years later after Smith Wigglesworth's little tin tabernacle ex boxing hut work shrivels up the last lady hands me the key . Im talking real life here . This happened. 

Our gospel is better than this nonsense .

Read the Bible .

Tuesday, 31 March 2009

Christine's Hanging Basket example

So the Godliness post showed us that we need to be stacked out with God's Word

Not to impress friends
Not to pass RE exams
Not to walk around religiously quoting stuff to the guy at the fish and chips shop
Not to pass Bible College finals

We need to know the Word sdrawkcab forewards upside down(google doesn't do this)
Because this is how life works

Because when we know it ,it can begin to move from left-brain to right-brain
and become us...and not just something in our restricted "spout-zone"...the mouth region.

While this is happening there are some "direct lines of attack"


Swift right-brain or more importantly spirit insertion tools


(Cut -out the middle man...the gobby bit of you!)


The gifts of the spirit both for the user and the recipient are all geared for this.
The gift of tongues is one of the best for this.

Praise and worship. Praise literally waits for God. Literally is a reception foyer! Why do you think all Billy Graham crusades began with Cliff Barrows. And all Morris Cerullo events begin with Black African praise...(cos the English praisers are too cerebral and cannot be trusted to bring the real Presence of God)

Fire tunnels
This lovely technique is the Body in action. Instead of being prayed for by one anointed person,you go through a tunnel of a gazillion anointed people.


Fire Tunnels in the UK. I'm not an expert. But I do know we use them here at the May Conferences in Havant.



Larger tunnels - but anointing isn't always size right!!!- can be found here:

RiverCamp August Bank Holiday Weekend



We have a secret weapon in our church like Ursula...she is over 60 and should know better..well actually she shouldn't know better...she's called Sylvia. One of our Mums in Zion. A prayer warrior. Anyhoo at the last River Camp Fire Tunnel she could be seen staggering about...well that's far too mobile a word...more crawling and collapsing...then using her finger in the shape of a pistol...to shoot God's blessing on people.

She's high up in the local social services you know!!! No, I mean she is employed as a skilled worker! Not high up the register!!

River Camp, by the way is not some quaint Anglican come Scoutcamp by a river. There is no physical river in sight..or in site.... only the River of God.

In fact when I knew they did lots of "soaking" I imagined lots of girlies lying with their backs on cushions...doing some gentle Vineyard thing...thinking to myself...how on earth will Ben cope with that?

But it turns out it is an Elim Camp...but you'd never know...bit like Capel Bible Week that Ern Baxter preached at in 1976. Certainly no one from the inner core leadership of Elim in Britain ever shows up there...far too dignified!! Which is probably why it's OK.

The kids work is outstanding at every age level....often exceeding the adults meetings...which is saying something. The praise band is incredible. The presence of God almost floors you when you go onto the camp grounds because of decades of prayer and "healing rooms" (John G Lake-style)type activity there.

Last year we ran an "open caravan policy" for all the posh riff raff in our church who went and stayed in bed and breakfasts!!! They are not making that mistake twice. Many are staying on site this year.



Christine received special insight as a result of the last Fire Tunnel which ties in directly with these last posts about our spirits, and our spirits expressed through this so underdeveloped right-brain region of ours.
She was watering some hanging baskets during a dry spell after being away last summer. She noticed the first couple of waterings appeared to run straight off, because the soil was so dry.
She felt God say something about this regarding English left-brain people when confronted with the Holy Spirit . Those spiritual parts of us are so so so dry in England..
We're so used to living from, managing everything, doing everything from these little pea sized left-brain computers of ours...that when the water of the Holy Spirit is first applied...it cannot do anything. It almost runs straight off. We have to soak several times to even water those areas of us that eventually will have the capacity to recive God's Presence.

We have to do many repeated applications. We have to be like Naaman in the Old Testament and dip 7 times...both to humble our proud self-sufficient left-brains and also simply because our spirits need that to begin softening up and then be able to take the application!!
Our left-brains need humbling!!! Oh yes they do! They were never meant to be the foundation we live from. They are usurpers to the throne!! The truth is we are far bigger than that with far bigger capacities...to love, to laugh, to be filled with joy,
to praise, to receive wisdom - the supernatural, to fulfil the first and second commandments with ease...remember them??? Love God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength and love others as we love ourselves....and even greater love than this in the New Covenant.
Einstein never learned about relativity from his left-brain. His left-brain only came up with the maths afterwards as a proof. He was dreaming about a sunbeam at the time. His right brain got it first.
The truth is Britain is a creative place. But you'd never know it from the left-brain buttoned up manner in which we conduct ourselves. People need acouple of units of alcohol before they will even talk to each other. What a country!!Famously known for this in all the world. Actually only a few steps off autism. Living with Argentinians during the 1981 Argentinian war period...but over here in Emsworth, this became painfully apparent.
Well England this is not Kingdom! So as more and more come into the new life in the Spirit...you'd better get used to a bit of change. As people become less Dalek like...and come into the real world. For over 100 years the English have been saying to Pentecostal people ...you're not in the real world. No England, we're becoming normal! You are weird...ask any other nation.

The left-brain tends to only function like Richard Dawkins says...from what it can receive as definite input from the 5 senses. So when externals dry up in hard times, all the left-brain can do is come back with increasingly shrinking data about its straitened circumstances. God gave me a picture of this like a hamster wheel. Britons who are locked into their left-brains are like a hamster....they think they are doing something definite, but in reality they are moving paper around, they are just going round and round on a wheel! And then they develop an education system to teach other people how to live on a hamster wheel. And they take great pride in it.Instead of teaching the stuff that came over to this country 2000 years ago in the gospel...."Seek God and Live".

We need to learn familiarity with the River of God!

Good Word Christine! Britain are you listening?


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