OK, so if you don't sell the Word and who would normally buy the whole message anyway.....?

How do you survive and provide for your family?

Expanded because Martin Revans on Facebook was kind enough to query.

Jesus had an answer to this one. But it's kind of the spiritual version of blonds have more fun.
If you preach a gospel of benefits and outer stuff.....like when Jesus did healing in a big way plus feeding the crowd you end up with crowds of.people like.Benny Hinn does and maybe big offerings.....but nothing really has shifted on people's insides.
(The end of the gospel is HUGE. According to Romans 8 it is not about people squeaking into heaven narrowly....it is about sons of men becoming sons of God, or realising God has made them such, and so coming into their own that from their insides out such power life and righteousness comes forth that they can be said to have come fully into their inheritance as God's own sons....and the thousands of years of bondage in creation is set free. We see this in a tiny way after every single genuine gathering in Jesus Name....most christians report how suddenly after these gatherings manythings that refused to shift suddenly shift and many prayers or desires of the heart are answered.)
Jesus was forced into operating a Matthew 5 filter system to make.it clear from the outset the types He was looking for.
(Passages like the Beatitudes make it clear God's Kingdom is about those who are prepared to taste the bitter....go right through it into the hidden blessings the other side)
He knew His time.was short and He couldn't faff around for decades like modern tv preachers....so He had to mean business and get at least a handful.turned.right round in only 3 years or so.
(The confusion with this sentence maybe that church preachers describe a "turned round person" as the 12 disciples following Jesus in the gospels.
But Jesus specifically says early on that He was giving Himself to nobody for He knew what was in them. AFTER the shattering experiences of the Cross and their total repentance, Jesus BREATHED UPON THEM in the Upper Room. These were the first really born again and turned round human beings in history)
So here's the conundrum.....how do you preach real change and still get supported? Yer Romans 3 to 5ers will always wear posh suits as they populate heaven for the future. But what if you want the Kingdom to come now?
(Romans 3 to 5 is the first material all believers have to get under their belt.
It is like the childhood stage of the New Covenant. You could be 70 and just been converted...this is the stuff you need to know. It is like the child and first bit of the young man stage of spiritual life in 1 John 2. It is about no condemnation, how our righteousness is to do with Jesus and not our works.
But this Jesus inside us is not fully grown. it is nowhere near the sort of Jesus that is so full of Rivers of Living Water that outer creation begins to be shifted by Him. The second half of the gospel is also about believing ON Jesus but THROUGH all our circumstances...of church, family and job....see Ephesians 1 to 5.)
Jesus (nevertheless)found an answer to that one.....we never hear him starving. ( He DID LOSE hundreds possibly thousands on one day....see John Chapter 6. Yet nevertheless He always believed for material provisions and food and clothing for all his disciples and families who were not in day jobs at this time. At the time of this chapter must have been quite a challenge...and this is many of our positions on the net right now. If we continue to preach at the level of Romans 3 to 5 churches and Christians will receive us with open arms. But if as someone has to....we push the envelope into mature Christianity...the Father level in 1 John 2...it covers the sort of material evangelicals don't like, nor do charismatics and we lose support.)
Union people haven't found an answer either....most are living from their Illuminati husband's pensions and if they speak too loud their spouses will divorce them. So what's the answer?
(By far the most who refer to themselves as Union people (not Trade Unions!!!) are those who have been blessed to see the full import of John 15 through writings and talks by Norman Grubb who is one of the first to articulate what St Paul's Romans letter is really saying. And he is a Cambrdge University man who spent the best part of 60 years as a missionary working on Galatians 2:20 and also all the faith passages of the Bible. Many of such people, truly forerunners who have pressed right through against incredible odds of a backward immature church world, and who are largely aged between 50 -90.
Many are on their spouses pensions...some who understand and some who don't. At this point hardly anybody on earth knows how all corporations dovetail into one pretty centralised control....of policy and belief and often money too....and ofcourse such saints are living precariously on these very pensions.)
Churches are hopeless because like the useless synagogues in Jesus time the people in them are there for highly bogus reasons.....and as Jesus found as soon as people really get delivered or healed the priests kick them out on their ear anyway.
(Churches are naive places, understanding very little about the whole Turnaround process of the gospels and the disciples. A bit like the organisation YWAM , our own Argentinian churches had the notion of creating young people's communities and doing the work of the gospels with us so we in turn could be sent out. But unlike Jesus, neither YWAM nor our churches had the first clue about what was in man. What CS LEWIS cryptically describes in his sci fi book....THAT HIDEOUS STRENGTH. So these poor pastors start leading us through into what were the first stages of Romans 7 breakdowns....and ofcourse when the demon strengths began manifesting and destroying their own families or their lives, they were completely unprepared....and not least because none of them had properly been through their own Romans 7 experience yet.)
(So if churches do not and cannot yet support this kind of reality of message, the first time in recent history when any attempt has been made at getting anywhere near the training of the gospels,....if this doesn't work yet we have to be like St Paul and arrange our own support)
So you get a job ....and because it's a corporation it's all about the abuse of the individual for the bottom line profit.....and the particular corporation or education entity turns out to be somehow Masonic...Round table or"straight A illuminati "anyway? (Like Monsanto or BASF or Procter and Gamble practically laundering Satanism pure into the earth)
3rd level answers only please (ie not answers from people who only experience "the Lord's provison" from either tithe extorted congregations, or from saints endlessly rechurning the first things gospel of Romans 3 to 5 and therefore have little or no firsthand experience in receiving their needs purely by faith like say George Mueller and his 19th Century orphanages entirely by faith with not even begging or pleading letters)
and not from blonds.....I am grey.
Jesus first bound the strong man....there's a clue.
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Are Jews Really Worse?

Everyone makes a big thing about Jews missing Jesus. But the fact is all of us miss God stuff all the time. The very friends you may have now might have begun as your enemies. You may have hated the sight of them. How about the God stuff that was meant to have enriched your life but because your spouse said it you completely ignored it....cos you know better ofcourse. or the God truths spoken by your kids...but you didn't listen. How could they know anything? or the God opportunities staring you in the face but because you'd have to move...or change jobs, or learn something new, or go to a different region, or get to know new friends...you just said no. How about the Anglican church as a whole saying no for a 100 years now to the greatest single factor that has changed Christianity in the whole world....the experience of Baptism in the Spirit or before that the experience of being born again. As a whole the Anglican church is really catholic and is part of the Order of St John Jesuits, but it is kept hush hush by the Queen who is the UK head of the order. Jesus Christ turns up in the UK again and again with revival after revival teaching all the heavenly tabernacle truths to generation after generation and what do the Brits do? Kick em out to America!
Jesus Christ turns up in our day teaching the third level truths of the tricks of the trade to do with the Holiest Place and how to live there continually....what do all the UK denominations do? Carry on in exactly the same way running their conferences in the same way they have for decades. So no....there is nothing out of the ordinary about the blindness of Jews!!!

The Lord's Prayer as Template: The Apocalypse and Unveiling of Christ

The Lord's Prayer

We are forever humans and have human responses and are meant to, but they are overflowed by Christ in us; and indeed unless we were first living human persons with human reactions, we should not be the persons by whom He unveils Himself.
Norman Grubb in Knight of Faith Vol.4 through Nancy Gilmore and www.normangrubb.com


 We used to notice in Bible House that people with stricter upbringings took longer, because they had to become real first,then God would meet with them. Chris Welch





If somebody said, give me a summary of Christian faith on the back of an envelope, the best thing to do would be to write Our Lord's Prayer.

Rowan Williams,Archbishop of Canterbury   see reflections on the Lord's Prayer

In the last few months God has spoken to me that the Lord's Prayer is a Template, a Kingdom Blueprint of His entire operation. This was confirmed by Tom Dale in Waterlooville in recent days, but up until then I had not heard someone speak on such a grand scale about this prayer.

That it was huge as an individual prayer I had picked up from a Little Rock Preacher in the late 80s who was used to begin unfolding it, including our relationship to the Father, across the Body of Christ in those days.He went on from there to be one of the first ministries in recent history to minister on the power of shame that we inherited in Genesis 3, and earned a spoof take-off in one episode of the Simpsons where the sermon was on Shame, but as ever, the very opposite of the gospel, rather making humans ashamed instead.

 Even at the level of a Prayer of Jabez, a constructed, crafted,template  prayer for frequent praying into,2000 years of praying it, sometimes in the most "remote-controlled" church contexts, the power of its unfolding has been there. But I want us to get inside the power of this prayer as used by the Holy Spirit .
If you held a graphic form of the prayer in its 3 main sections up to a window,
then took another sheet of thin paper and graphically drew the verse "Unless a seed, fall into the ground , it abides alone, but if it dies, it bears much fruit," and held that up to the light superimposed on the other sheet,
then if you graphically drew a representation of  the growth phases of  1 John 2 :12ff  Children, young men, fathers and placed that over the top of the other two:
you'd have something like an inverted arc, where the base of the arc is at the lowest point.

And it wouldn't matter whether you placed this combined blueprint up against the whole of church history,
or up against your own individual Christian history,
or up against the history cycle of a particular church
or even up against a Holy Spirit led meeting...
or the whole book on how church functions...the letter to the Ephesians
the shape would be the same, and the end is always the same, a bit more unveiling of the glorious Christ in flesh form. Us.   

Apocalypse is derived from the Greek word apokalypsis. Although it's often used to describe a great devastation or cataclysm, the literal meaning of apocalypse is actually an unveiling, or revealing. Hence the word revelation, from which the Book Of Revelation (or, perhaps more accurately, revelations, since it reveals many things) gets its name.Wayne Blank

The three sections

Part One -  Our New Standing

As new charismatics God charged our late 60s early 70s generation with the Holy Spirit commissioning of raising up the Holy Highway in the wilderness, of restoring the former cities and devastations, of being a repairer of the breach.

These are all prophetic phrases filled with Holy Spirit meaning, and Holy Spirit empowering for the task.

Our first question....how do we get to the big stuff, how do we get started?
God's answer - praise and worship as a WAY.
Ed Miller, although rooted in Argentina, and being involved in its 1950s revival, had uncovered something much more important in his seeking the Lord in the secret place. He was the hidden figure behind Judson Cornwall's praise books and ministry, behind Calvary Chapel's Maranatha Singers and all the 70s praise vinyl discs, behind the rediscovery of praise and worship as the Living Way into God's Presence as a congregation in Jorge Pradas's churches throughout Argentina. Los Rios De Vida

Evangelists for centuries knew about setting a foundation of praise into their meetings, but not even most in the charismatic movement dared following the leading of the Spirit right through where praise and worship takes you. Yet many were finding this pattern anyway. It is very much the "how" behind our home gatherings in Grimsdells Lane Amersham, behind the early house church movement  including the now large UK churches.

And it is largely the "interference" of worship groups, and human understanding, and limited 2 level Christian thinking  (get saved, get baptised in the Spirit)  that has paralysed the early vision of allowing God to be God in meetings.

Our Father, who is in heaven....
Whether silent, or noisy or however we do it, we KEY INTO, in our hearts, not our heads only, the One who is worthy of ALL our focus, the One who created all, the One who is in all, and the One who is to be manifested as the All in All, into whom King Jesus will return everything in Himself.
Hallowed, Holy is Your Name. Now. We are not waiting to see evidence with our eyes, though the more we see in the Spirit, this happens to be the overall picture even now.....but we declare the truth in any case, by faith. Because the devil's lies plague us continually.  If we live from what we "see", from our leftbrain assessment of how things look, cynicism becomes this cycle of vanity. Things look terrible, then become more terrible, then look worse, so we believe worse, and we continue on a downward spiral.
We were never intended to live from what we could materially see. We live from the Spirit. From the "seeing" that pulls things out of the Kingdom into material form. God is totally OTHER. His Name is forever holy. Holiness is substance. It is mediated through the Holy Spirit. But though God is other, His very Word sustains every element of this creation by His Word of power. In Him we live and move and have our being.....
If we are going to have a meeting, we need to touch this OTHER THAN, this HOLY ONE, this One in whom is ALL LIFE. I am not interested in anything less in a meeting of gathered saints.

Our Father is a relationship, the legitimacy of which is spelled out in Ephesians chapter one to three. But it is a corporate relationship. It's not me and God separate from you and God. It's got to be the same God to be authentic. Ephesians is a corporate book.
Part Two - Inside Readjustments
Ephesians and indeed all the New Testament letters describe what Christ has done for all humans once for all in His death on the cross. We have died. At our spirit centre. With Christ. Our life is hidden, bound up with, interleaved with Christ. Now. If we made the internal (not just intellectual) decision for Christ, we are accepting what has already been won for us, and the old spirit of unbelief and separation from God can be legitimately booted out so we experience it as fact! What makes it fact, is not our acceptance of it, it was always fact since Christ's finished work. But faith leans on these facts, and it's a bit like police returning to your house with all the squatters in. When you tried to say "get out" nothing happened. But when the police return referencing the whole of British Law, the squatters soon shift. The whole of humanity, including Buddhists, think that by analyzing the house filled with squatters we  come to some improvement. We, on the other hand  simply refer to the Christ policeman, and say, there is no issue here, you have to leave!
But ofcourse, if it was just "separate squatters" it wouldn't involve us taking up our cross and following Him.
The problem is all about who we think our identity is.
The precursor to our discovery is:
Thy Kingdom Come
Thy Will Be Done
This is the inner heart permission that God needs to go further.
If Christ-Chris has booted out Satan-Chris at my spirit centre. If as Ephesians says the Spirit truth of me is as one who is seated with Christ in the heavenly places....NOW....
where are the problems coming from?
The Middle Section of the Lord's Prayer Involves our hidden operating system
Our hidden hindering operating system is out of sight to all apart from the Spirit of God, and those who themselves have had their "log" removed. They are splinters, but how powerful are those splinters. They are hidden scrawlings on your holy place walls in your inner sanctuary.Ezekiel 8:10 They are NOT who you are, because when Christ replaced you as you in your inner centre at conversion, that is the true YOU. That is the one that comes forth more and more in the meetings by the Holy Spirit.  "The Body fitly joined by that which every joint supplies".  The Body is not built by Quaker suggestions of truth, by mere contemplation alone. The Body is built by Christ you supplying your brethren. Christ you is not a living soul, Christ you is a Life giving Spirit.Only Christ builds Christ. See, you are more outstanding than you thought....but IN HIM!

So the hidden operating system which causes all your problems and those of the entire Body of Christ, and "masquerades as the Old Man" is a system of inner thinking that is positioned between your true Christ as You spirit centre which the whole of the New Testament is adamant about, and your surface personality that you "present" to the world. All a mature, Father level Christian is, is one with the "MIDDLE MAN LIE" removed.

You've heard the glowing reports...."Oh Freda is so wonderful, Christ really comes through her." This can either mean that Freda is a mature believer, or that if you are a soft, luvvy, "people type of person", and she is too, then you are perhaps more open than an Apostle Luke man of learning and study kind of guy at receiving
this "edition of Christ" in this form.

In the Body to begin with we relate primarily with "like types". Later on we see the truth that "we see no man after the flesh", and we appreciate Christ coming through every one of the 12 tribe characters.

But in the case of a mature Freda, the only difference between her and everyone else is that she's got nothing in the way of her authentic Jesus Person at her spirit centre. She is in fact free to be fully her and fully Christ.
As you are.

When Paul said about" casting down speculations and thoughts and highmindedness:
2 Corinthians 10:5 "We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,...."this is the area of our being that is being addressed.

People over the years have often remarked, "How come the modern churches sit quite comfortably on the high street, whereas the first churches had difficulty meeting at all apart from in secret. And how come the early preachers caused cities to be in uproar." The early preachers hit the scrawlings, the strongholds, which had the principalities over cities attached to them! Modern preachers just hit intellect.

This is now true more than ever in the West after 200 years of  "Enlightenment" thinking. This can be summed up by  figures such as Richard Dawkins as restricting our thinking to leftbrain reliance. to working everything out according to step by step thinking and calculation. It is reasoning upwards from a given set of  rational parameters." Proverbs 3:5-6 tells us not to "rely" on our insight, but instead to "trust in the Lord  with all our heart". By acknowledging Him in all our ways He will make straight our paths.
This is the GATEWAY to thirdlevel living. To the Christ life becoming unveiled in flesh form.

By acknowledging Him in ALL our ways.....is a very mundane, boring looking entrance to 3rd level living and to be truthful, because of  its unspectacular nature when God brought the 3rd level Word via servants such as Ed Miller, Norman Grubb,Sam Fife, and Jack Schisler, in the late seventies and the early eighties  the whole of the UK missed it, and the charismatic movement has been going round and round praise mountain ever since.

But this is just the middle section of the Lord's Prayer.
Matthew 6

11‘Give us this day our daily bread.   
12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
So whether we are talking about the internal adjustments we ourselves are making throughout the course of entire lives, or whether we are looking at the Church worldwide maturing in Christ, or whether we are talking about one individual Holy Spirit meeting....(and let's do that for a moment), it's all very similar:
This is where the opening celebration, and or worship, and or adoration dies back a little and the Holy Spirit takes His Body into the equivalent of a Holy Place kind of readjustment area.
The three kind of adjustment areas

1. Our Daily Bread : having faith for our needs, our environment. Just the fact of bringing this under the Holy Spirit searchlight is a death to us, for we really want to work everything out in our own strength. We even don't mind praise and worship, as long as the real issues of where we live our lives remain untouched. But this is the WAY of God, that leads us to the Truth  about ourselves, and who He is, which leads to the manifestation of His unveiled Life in the third section of the Lord's prayer.This IS the first part of our acknowledgment of HIM in all our ways
2. Forgive us as we forgive :The second main adjustment  is absolutely central to our unblocking of the Rivers of Life already at our Centre. God has declared Himself permanently as a Self for Others Life. His Life has a Cross in it. There is a Cross in the heart of God. Jesus is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.This is the nature of the Life at your centre and my centre if we are Christians. It is one of the essential and outstanding proofs of our Christianity. After becoming Christians we found we loved people. We could see God in them. And ofcourse, we became lovers of the household of faith.The more we "see no man after the flesh" we begin to identify wrong behaviour as "not authentic" behaviour. Bad behaviour comes out of wrong "seeing", either on the side of both or one party only. If we catch ourselves and look for God going on, we snatch things back out of the realm of two flesh people "humanly" at loggerheads, and we begin to see the truth in the situation underneath.   Most misunderstanding comes from us limiting God to what we know of Him already. Ephesians four and five are about life in the Body, life in work environments and life in family environments. Wherever our life does not function it causes us to reach into more of the provision already supplied at our inner centre. Interestingly a non Christian Lord in the sense of an employer, is very little different from someone bringing correction in the Body of Christ. Lordship to a section of our life that is unsubmitted to God's Kingdom is equally as painful whether it is administered to us by a Christian, or by a more derived form of His life....an out and out atheist. This was one of the many fun discoveries made in the Christian community in Emsworth Bible House. It hurt equally!
3.  Lead Us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.  Rowan Williams continues:

Now the words "lead us not into temptation" don't quite capture all of that because temptation for us tends to mean just a sort of impulse to do unworthy or sinful things.

But the word means so much more in its context; it means this huge trial that's coming, this huge crisis that's coming. Lead us not into crisis, don't, please God don't push us into the time of crisis before you've made us ready for it. Don't push us until you've given us what we need to face it. 
The second level or stage of growth is an acceleration stage . The Word accelerates us out of our unbelief as to who we really are, and into a firm belief that we have died, and it is Christ who lives in us as us.
Most of the church have terrible teaching on these Spirit realities, and people suffer far more than they need to because as a world church we are still more or less totally ignorant about the extremely thorough job Christ did for us on the Cross.
Part Three - Father Level Intercession - The Power and the Glory
As we mature into Father level, we go through the most incredible testings that humanly we would not be able to sustain, and it is one of the main methods by which God gets us to recognise who we are really living from.
This is equivalent to many pictures throughout the Old and New Testaments.
It is equivalent to Jacob's wrestling match with the "messenger of God" at Peniel.
Or to Elisha pressing through all the sons of the prophets trying to discourage him about receiving the double portion of Elijah's anointing.
Or Moses' testings for 40 years in the Wilderness culminating in the visual picture of his life in God as a burning bush that never burns up!
Or it's equivalent to the incredible testing of the 12 disciples as they saw their Master led away to be falsely accused and crucified, with the implication that any close followers would be so treated also.

Jesus knew as He stood in the Upper Room with the disciples John 13:31 that "now is the Son of Man  glorified and God is glorified in Him." Instead of taking this phrase along the lines we were taught in RE lessons, as Jesus' favourite alternative self-description, get your Holy Spirit specs on, because this is enormous.
Jesus had all the glory He needed in heaven. He laid that glory aside. NO this is a very specific glory.
This is a new type of glory. This is Jesus as the second Adam. This is Jesus as "the son of Man". This is Jesus tracking as us. Roadtesting the same overcoming life He was going to be pouring out on and inside us after the Cross. Do you get the enormity of what point He had come to after 30 years without the Spirit baptism, and three years of Spirit Ministry.....BUT as a MAN!!!!! Now is the Son of Man glorified.   In other words "we're ready to roll this one out!!!!We've got the template.....now we go into action. This one seed is going into the ground, to bust apart, and be raised as a fruit bearing Vine that brings forth seed after exactly this kind!!!! Did you catch that?
In John 14:30 Jesus said " the ruler of this world is coming, but he has nothing in me."

This is what this section of preparation is for in our lives. This bit of the Lord's prayer template is to discover anything left in us of the Ezekiel 8:10 scrawlings left over in the Fall. That the devil can find nothing in us for whatever is our equivalent of the Psalm 134  "Standing by night " in the House of the Lord. And standing fully armoured, and Worded up according to Ephesians 6.

This is the final Intercessory stage of the Lord's Prayer.
You say, it's not marked as any intercession, what do you mean?
Yes, this is the renewed ManChild. This is the Child of Promise born to the Woman, the Church.Revelation 12. This is the final form.

If it is in a Holy Spirit meeting context, this is when the lighting goes on full, we stand to our feet.
We declare fully conscious of our 3rd level position in the Holy of Holies, and caught up in the heavenlies of God:
Boldly, without a jot of hesitation,
Totally clean
Totally confident
Our Word of Faith
Yours is the  The Kingdom,the Power, The Glory.... 
Forever and ever Amen. 
 The Spirit and the Bride say "Come Lord Jesus, Come."
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The Anglican Church as an example of Disobedience.

I have used Rowan Williams examples because they are good, but I do not  want to imply that the practices of the Anglican Church are acceptable. Rowan Williams, very similar to Orthodox leaders in European and Russian churches spend much time in contemplation and meditation. The BBC page that is linked here is really very good, and in many ways more than that, profound. Now as Daniel Yordy has written, if we are born again the Spirit encompasses ALL WE ARE, and in real terms, ALL WE PERMIT HIM TO BE TO US.
Rowan Williams, from this contemplative passage on the riches of the Lord's prayer clearly shows he allows the Spirit to come through his thinking on many of these issues.
I believe if you go into an Anglican church where he is preaching some measure of the Spirit of God will be manifest, or tangibly felt. But you know what? My Christians friends were staggered how much of the Presence of God came through when they were invited to participate in a friend's Jewish wedding. And my atheist English teacher preached two assemblies on the weird "God" effect he had experienced as he visited the "Wailing Wall" in Jerusalem way back in 1971.

But I want to use the Anglican Church as an example of extreme disobedience according to the very express instructions of scripture, plus years lived in Spirit led churches in Britain (4), in France (2) and in Germany (1).
Jesus could not have been clearer to the woman at the well. "The time is coming and now is when ....all who worship Me will worship in Spirit and in truth."
Now all my Christian life all the Anglicans who do not know the Spirit Baptism as a genuine ongoing experience, all to a man and woman, twist scripture to their own experience, and their experience is like Rowan Williams, that of restricting the movement of the Holy Spirit to their still controlling main faculty : namely their conscious mind, their step by step thinking part of their brain. Never mind that still leaning on, basing yourself on, trusting in your own insight is DIRECTLY and clearly pronounced as wrong in Proverbs 3:5-6, they for their whole lives fight tooth and nail to make their little stand with their flag based on their intellectual posture.
In Job 38, after 37 chapters of  the most intense suffering, Job has a direct encounter with God. But this is a God who directly confronts Job at his main stronghold. This is the hidden area underneath all his responses to his friends, most of whom were hugely off the point anyway. As I've said in the middle area of the Lord's prayer, this is our actual operating system. This is where we are not "seeing" God. In order for our bellies to flow with living water, God has to address these hidden blockages and strongholds. The truth is God's Kingdom is not fully come, where one of these strongholds lies embedded within the last person on Earth. These strongholds are the tentpegs that the devil uses to maintain the whole canopy of his kingdom over the whole earth. These are very much the target area of a mature Body moving in Ephesians 6 armour.

God is not in the least bit interested in any of Rowan Williams excuses as to why he maintains the Anglican Church according to his own particular preference for living from the Intellect.This is a stronghold. We don't reason ourselves up to the Kingdom. We do not pick up the next Holy Spirit instruction primarily through our intellect. We connect with the Living God on our insides. God has declared through Jesus exactly what our worship looks like. It is worship in Spirit and Truth. The Belt of Truth that we gird ourselves with is around where we most sense where our spirit is, in our middle parts, we dont wear the belt around our forehead like a pirate patch!.
The only agent of the Godhead currently instructed with the sole task of preparing the Bride is the Holy Spirit. Not Jesus. Not the Father. How can He do this if we as a Church are ignoring Him? Are refusing to be baptised in this Spirit?
Romans 8:14 is very explicit : For all who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God. Nobody else.
Rowan Williams openly encourages the support of a liturgical structure that opposes all those legitimate sons of God who visit English churches every Sunday that do  (as it says in 1 Corinthians 12, ) have a "hatha". Each one hatha scripture,a song, a hymn, a teaching, a prophecy....whatever. The liturgy prevents and blocks the natural move of God in a church every Sunday, every week of the year. There is no other description of church meetings, apart from brief instructions of the types of prayers that should be offered elsewhere in the letters. With such a simple single instruction, you would have thought that people as intellectual as Rowan Williams would be able to carry it out. But no, defiantly, each week, he supports the continual offense of the Holy Spirit.
The Body is fitly joined by that which every joint supplies. This is as true in meetings as in Body life through the week. Everytime the liturgy is used, imagine a bit less blood circulating. Imagine people having to amputate limbs because those limbs did not have adequate blood.

Or think of Anglicans and liturgy, however doctrinally correct the words are, as a bunch of people announcing they are going in to have a swim in the sea each week. But instead, they roll up their trousers Monty Python style and only paddle five feet away from the shore. Imagine people laughing at them. "That's not swimming. Why don't you put your trunks on and come right in? Let the sea support you! You know.....swimming!!!"
Liturgy isn't swimming. You can't say,"the Holy Spirit is leading us to say the same words each week." You haven't lost control. Your feet are still on the sand. You aren't swimming at all. You fraudsters! You are not being led by the Spirit! So according to Romans 8:14 above, you know what that means?
Rowan Williams just runs a collection of synagogues. He instals one rabbi per service, who only has to know procedure and be able to concoct a homily, plus various other social services in the week, and for this they are salaried all the way into a retirement. Other than training for layleaders and lay preaching, others who have choir skills, and floral arranging, there is no real question of reproducing other believers as Christ as them to take their place. This would only hinder the structure. The job for life pyramid created underneath  each vicar would only be upset if other ministries matured. Rowan Williams actually supports a whole infrastructure that hinders growth, and stops the spread of Christianity in Britain.

My wife Christine, my son and I have just returned from a quiet secluded area of tarmac where Ben was getting the hang of bike riding. Now imagine if we had done this on the main island road on and off Hayling Island.   Holy Spirit meetings are in the same way the safe place where people learn to "balance on a bike". Where they learn to take those initial steps following the Spirit, and  once confident He leads them out into to learn Spirit- living in their environments.
Rowan Williams does allow Holy Spirit churches, but does nothing to promote them, or to make clear that this is the only designated way according to scriptures, to learn the way of the Spirit.

Christine has found out in her nursing placements that the most proactive teachers of nursing students are army nurses. These fully trained nurses can be sent anywhere at anytime. One  week they are off in a helicopter fetching back the wounded from anywhere in the world. The next week they are caring for these wounded in Hedley Court ,Surrey. Another week they are in our local hospitals. They live each day with purpose. Army training is all about passing that training on, over and over. Army nurses reason that any second longer that a new nurse remains ignorant about a procedure , is a second robbed from her usefulness in a crisis.

Rowan Williams certainly is not military service minded. In view of the faith crisis in Britain, where the Anglican choice is simple:  a choice between running good Jewish synagogue services that Anglicans enjoy, or listening acutely to the Holy Spirit to install every feature of the gospel listed in the scriptures, so that Britain may be won for Christ, Rowan adopts the former every time. He has been head of the largest church structure in Britain now for many years and still has no intention of following Christ according to His ways.The intellect is the way the Spirit is forced to meet Rowan, when the first commandment , to love God with all our heart, our soul,our strength, our mind shows the totality of the Spirit invasion God wants to accomplish in us that the term LORD not ring like a hollow tolling bell. LORD means every loose and fixed part of our being!!!
Our Father, which art in heaven.....HOLY,unutterably HOLY is Your Name. Much more holy than an Anglican service. Much more holy than an Anglican minister trained only in the mind, and never taught grace, and the Person of God made available in a love reltionship through the Holy Spirit. Instead of passing on the power of grace, Anglican ministries reproduce their own ignorance Sunday by Sunday, further paralyzing the country spiritually. Our own school vicar spent his midweeks away from Amersham up north grouse shooting. The poor guy didn't have a clue, and reproduced his cluelessness throughout our school of 700 boys, many of whom would never have been in, nor seen a real church gathering in their lives. And this is how the British are raised.
But as ever, if the two main wakeup calls in the Anglican Church of the early charismatic movement through Michael Harper and Graham Pulkingham, followed by Holy Trinity Brompton and the Alpha Courses in the 80s, still fail to bring fruit, truly the same scriptural pattern will always follow, the bread the children refuse will be shared among the outsider, that "every mouth be stopped". The Lord's prayer prayed both in earnest, and in remote-control throughout two millennia will still be answered.
 But not necessarily among those who prayed.

The New Covenant Church, the one in Acts,even this seed too had to fall in the ground and over centuries die, reach a near total death-knell in 1400s Catholicism, only to turn a corner in Luther and rise ever higher since then. Why? Though the church was instantly born from on high in Acts, it contained within it also seeds of Old Covenant Jewish behaviour, so both had to go into the ground, for there is only ONE LIFE FORM that survives death.

Or put in another analogy, there is only one Church form that is totally safe. The Church that is continually born from above. Our Father who art in heaven. We have a City that comes down from above.

The night that Jacob slept on his stone pillow is a wakeup call to us. It should tell us all we need to know about church. He said  in Genesis 28: 16 and 17 "Surely the Lord is in this place, and I did not know it." and "How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God, this is the gate of heaven."
The place wasn't special. God doesn't need a special place, he requires open hearts. As each Spirit meeting soon proves to our senses dulled from alien environments, the Presence of God is then revealed, made tangible, but the only thing that changed was we became aware of it. Reminding ourselves of where we are actually permanently positioned, in the heavenlies in Christ, we find God's glory has always been here in the earth. Our separation delusions dull our spiritual eyes. God is giving us salve that we might see God only and have but a single eye.

Holy Spirit Come To Us from" Early Harvest Double CD." A Double Song track reworked for four part a capella singing and sung in the "wet corner" of Chichester Cathedral with their choir under Alan Thurlow. You are listening to a thousand pounds!!Recent photos of Chichester Cathedral.

Muslim reacts to Christian worship

Arrived back to find this email from http://www.christianlegalcentre.com/
The purpose in posting this is not to stir up more friction in what has become a fragile issue, but in the manner of Prospect magazine to face issues and give them some thought before they lead to larger and more volatile outcomes. Prospect magazine had Muslim authors way back in 2003-4, criticising some of the dual standards of their own kind. Long before the London 7/7events in 2005 focussed our attention more locally, Prospect magazine published articles questioning the relative silence of the moderate muslims wherever issues of Al-Qaeda demanded strong outrage.
Prospect is not by any stretch of the imagination a Christian magazine, but it has been interesting to follow stories that it handles become major national concerns within the following months and years. It seems to predate BBC coverage by a factor of 3 months on average.

This issue raises the general question of how loud music and noise can be. Have Christians still the centuries' old right to sing their hearts out on quiet Sunday mornings surrounded by resting people for whom Sunday means nothing but a chance to catch up on your sanity, before the rush of the next week's activity?

Ok, if that is so,how come Muslims have the right to use their call to prayer in certain places in Britain? More importantly does this give the same right to ex-patriate secular English people in Saudi Arabia and Egypt to call for less volume in the Muslim call to Prayer?

Whether secular English people have any residual memory of the fact or not, Churches' right to sing and worship freely have come at a huge price in this land. This will be felt even more keenly in the States, since at least one of the causes of people leaving here, was the lack of freedom to worship as a person's conscience saw fit. We probably need more freedoms here not less. As the article reminds us, most Brits have really appreciated the colour and liveliness of African, Caribbean and African American worship. Certainly, apart from the high technical standards and beauty of trained choir voices , particularly in the Cathedrals, virtually anything is better than the singing in an average Anglican church over here. All born again people feel this intensely, but out of politeness and concern to find points of shared belief, often do not say anything.What they really feel is excruciating pain , listening to poor souls struggling through words that have no relevance for them, but singing out of a strained belief that this somehow pleases their Creator.
Better to get properly connected with the Lord first, then be singing out of the internal joy that a restored relationship brings.
Church may be Forced to Close over Muslim Neighbour Singing Complaint
A LONDON Church was effectively ‘silenced’ by a Court after a decision by Magistrates to uphold a noise abatement notice, not to play excessive sound, after just one Muslim neighbour complained about noise levels of worship in a church which was next door to the house he purchased.
Singing Songs of Praise on a Sunday is normal Church activity. Using amplification is a normal part of Church life and it was argued at the Court hearing that the normal use of a Church building entails worship and cannot constitute noise nuisance.
Immanuel House of Worship Church has been meeting at 89 Vallentin Road in Walthamstow since it bought the premises in 2006. The Church was built in 1894 and was formerly used by the United Reformed Church, when the Church owned all the land on which the current properties are now built.
The property next door to the church, No 87, was formerly the Manse (vicarage) until 1989, when it was then sold by the United Reformed Church. In 2005, No 87 was sold to the current occupants. Mr and Mrs Baha Uddin. From 2005 – 2006, the property was empty and vagrants frequently hung around church. Currently, the IHOW church offers a nursery to serve the whole neighbourhood and has an impressive list of neighbours who welcome the church and who do not regard their worship as a problem.
However, Mr and Mrs Uddin complained about the level of noise of worship coming from the church for just 40 minutes a week and an Abatement Notice was served on the Church Trustees on 6 May 2009 under Environmental Protection Act 1990 section 79(1) (g). The church appealed to the magistrate court and the hearing took place on 5 and 6 October at Waltham Forest Magistrates Court.
Mr Ade Ajike, a Trustee of the church said: “When we moved into Valentinn Road in 2007, we had renovated the property and bricked up the three windows facing house No 87. We also double glazed all the windows, except one stained glass window, and spent £10,000 to carry out sound-reducing. In fact, the Council’s environmental department at the time said it would be enough just to brick up the windows.
“After moving in we invited Environmental Officers to visit the premises and we got the OK. We also visited neighbours and took them potted plants , and had no problem until Mr Uddin made his official complaint in August 2008.
“Gary Vickers, an Environmental health enforcement officer visited Mr Uddin’s house on 10th August (Sunday worship service time) and on 12 August issued a letter to us saying that in his opinion, the volume from the music was of statutory noise nuisance level throughout the neighbours’ property. He suggested to deal with matter through sensible negotiation, informing our Pastor that ‘the church had to keep the noise down so as not to offend the Muslims living in the area’. He told us ‘this is a Muslim borough, you have to tread carefully’.”
During August, IHOW took action. They reduced hours of Sunday worship from 4 hours to 2 hours 30 mins, of which music is played for about 45 minutes. They reduced their weekly services to one service on Sunday, and all mid-week services held are skeletal services without music. Sunday evening services were reduced to once a month. The Trustees also took the decision not to hire out the premises in case noise would aggravate Mr Uddin, a move which has cost the church additional revenue. However, the visiting officer changed and questioning got more hostile.
Mr Ajike said: “Officers questioned the church why they needed amplifiers when 50 years ago the Church would not have used drums and amplified music. On 6 May 2009, an Abatement Notice was issued against the church alleging an unreasonable level of noise nuisance caused by excessive loud amplified music and drums.
“Since then we have stopped using drums and further reduced our worship time to 20 minutes beginning from 11.30am on a Sunday morning. We have also restricted church services to once a week. Despite all our action, Mr Uddin, who actually lives in what was the former Manse (vicarage) to the church, would stand at church’s main entrance door and shout his complaints and demand our Pastor come out to speak to him during his sermon.”
The IHOW has sought the advice of the Christian Legal Centre over their plight and to appeal this week’s decision. CLC has instructed leading Human Right’s expert Paul Diamond to represent the church at the Appeal.
Andrea Minichiello Williams, barrister and director of the CLC said:
“The charge of nuisance in law must involve proving there is a substantial interference with comfort. Surely, any reasonable person would think that singing for 40 minutes or so once or twice a week would not cross this threshold. Worship in a Church is to be expected. The Environmental Health Officers do not seem to have taken this fact into account. This is a vibrant Afro Caribbean community of Christian believers whose worship of God is fundamental to the expression of their faith. The richness and vibrancy of groups like the London Gospel Community Choir is based on the Afro Caribbean expression of faith through music. ’
If you would like to donate to support the Christian Legal Centre in this case we would be very grateful. To do so, please click the legalcentre hyperlink at the top of this post.

What about Christmas? Facebook Question

Pic: In these days where they are trying to get us to say "Winter festival", Is the whole idea of Christmas not really valid anyway? Hint: Do not ask this question anywhere near Jamie Weeks.

Elaine Waterfield
what I would like to know is, am I that nuts to not believe in Christmas. Since becoming a Christian in my spirit I have just felt less and less fond of this time and when I read about it its all based on pagan festivals,, Jesus wasnt even born at Ch...ristmas. Nor was there a scripture in the bible to do this, I also think that its a bit of an insult to celebrate the King of Kings birhday on the wrong day...I remember his birth and death every day and when I see all the debt people get themselves into I just wonder whats behind Christmas anyway. I am very much more for celebrating shabbatt, whats your opinions?Read more
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Chris Welch
This is the deal. Christmas is a spinoff. A good idea. A culture thing that is not necessarily bad for that. Like any church or nation that is around long enough experiences perhaps events that are meaningful enough to keep remembering together. For the States its Independence day and Thanksgiving day. It's of that order. And yes,Christmas now has veered right off into debt directions, when in actual fact the way we all used to celebrate it when we were growing up was a family time when all else was put aside to come together. This however is not the same as the Jewish festivals which are of a titanically different order, but also gather the families and people together in a lovely way. The Jewish feasts are a revelation from God, upon which the whole of history rests. Prophetically they are the hinge points of God's manifestation of Himself through flesh. They are the first, second and third levels of how He gets to live His life through us...in the same way that Jesus learned to live God the Father's life through Him. So what does that mean for you? Well many Christian groups do not celebrate Christmas. And many Christians do. You are right to question it all. What drives me nuts with English Christians and the Anglican church more specifically is they do away with the true revelation of the Bible, in order to focus on the invented myth of Christmas. ...Not entirely true though, since over the years they have sought to bring people back to a remembrance of Christ's incarnational arrival here, and for that we must bless them.

Life in Three Dimensions

I'm excited about this because I really believe it is another parable clue to explaining what I am on about. I really think this could be from the Lord Himself...because He always was brilliant at parables.

Parables I realised recently are God's way of flicking us over from left-brain "meter" or "law-based" thinking if you will, to a more comprehensive "picture" or "creative" way of thinking usually associated with the right brain.

I've covered this material briefly here. But again I want to say this. In the 90s when this right brain /leftbrain stuff came out it was such a release for us artist/musical/prophetic types that we made the mistake of relating the right-brain to our spirits. On this blog I have been careful not to do this.
Spirit is spirit. It is NOT material. Brain is brain. It IS material. It is the electrical mechanics behind our thinking. And mind....well...it's our soul, but like spirit you can never pinpoint it...though materialist thinkers (using materialist in its original philosophical meaning) think the electrical signals is all there is to us.

Electrical readings show us we use parts of our brain for different skills...sometimes on their own ,sometimes together. They also show that in a healthy person we have some sort of telephone exchange system between the two sides of our brain.

Dyslexia,dyspraxia (poor physical co-ordination) autism, synesthesia......all show up as different ways of processing.

I was listening to Frank Viola today who again referenced our Western tendency to Aristotelian thinking. Tony Fitzgerald used to call it "Greek thinking" as opposed to Biblical "Hebrew"thinking.

Proverbs is Hebrew thinking...where knowledge is one thing....but wisdom is quite another.
There's a proverb which illustrates the difference. It says somewhere "A proverb in the mouth of a fool is like a man who hasn't the use of his legs."

When we speak wisdom from our spirits IT HAS LEGS. ("That'll walk!!!") It comes out of our lives. Out of the core of our existence.

When an Anglican Bishop who is not even born again speaks the word "God", to a born again person it sounds like an empty sound; it often sounds like his mouth is full of a large potato when he mouths the word. It has no legs, so to cover the reality of the situation, his mouth seems to go into overdrive to make up for the deficiency.

So you can't say Left-brain bad, right-brain good....because you need both to function.

What you cannot do is live from your left-brain alone. And Proverbs 3:5 highlights way too much dependance on our reasoning powers and practically no "trusting" going on in our heart. This has some amazing repercussions. I have covered some already but in future posts I want to cover "how prophets think", I want to cover the mad way Brits and Americans do politics.... and the fundamental differences between how different character types
process information. Here's a nugget to get you going. I lived for a year in France and getting enrolled as a self-employed tuner in their system was something else!!!
I learned this truth: Bureacracy is inversely proportional to the amount of Truth manifest in a nation. You think France is bad...just go to Italy. What does that say about Catholicism???


So back to this post.
What is the Third Level?
It isn't what you think it is.
Traditional left-brain Greek mentality thinking imagines a series of 3 steps going higher and higher. So ofcourse this is offensive because if you claim to be "on the third-level" you are putting yourself above someone else.

Surprisingly and gob-smackingly it is none of this. In a moment I'll give the parable picture. But now I will give some examples.
Ursula describes in her School of Prophecy post being caught up to heaven. So there you are with the Director of all directors, the One who has knowledge of the end from the beginning. You must surely be in for some deep spiritual revelation to confound all others. This surely is a Third-level meeting. Well it confounds others all right. Jesus whirrs you round in His arms. Hugs you. Looks full in your face. Beams with love!!! That's the third-level. I'm so sorry to disappoint the theologians!

Now if this was a freak one-off occurrence you could put this down to Ursula not being quite up to the deep things of God ,so this was Jesus humouring her. But no....

When Roberts Liardon went as a young boy, he was pretty impressed, because Jesus played splash with him in the River of Life. You know deep stuff like that.

When Jesse Duplantis went he described a carbon copy of many of the things Ursula saw, but Jesus was really keen to show him the house he'd had built for him. Jesus had rigged him up with a quadrangle with a fountain, and loads of 17th century type furniture, because he knew Jesse loves that stuff. Jesse said, "I can see you Jesus. I can see the Father. Um...I thought there were three of You? Where's......."
Jesus just looked at him. Jesus grinned. Jesse felt a bit embarrassed. "Oh ofcourse, He is on Earth, preparing the Bride!!!! What a nana I am? How could anyone be so stupid?"

Back on Earth now in revival. And that's what the third level is....it's continuous revival. What do you find?
You find Evan Roberts face down on the podium around 1905 and 6. Only getting up to say something as directed. Quite often he said nothing. And he was the acknowledged leader of the meeting! This is third level!!!
Or you read of Mel Tari , 60 years later. Just going around with a load of friends, being led to do miracles. Without title.Without name. Just lifting up the Name of Jesus. Just loving Jesus with all your heart, soul and strength.Just enjoying the ride.
This is third level.

Third level is what John Stevens writes on his blog about thin places. The wall between the 3rd heaven and here on earth appears to be paper thin.

After Evan Roberts, the Pentecostal movement was born...then some pressed onward into Apostles and prophets, and the Apostolic movement was born. But really , it was like a retreat, back from 3rd level stuff into a more humanly comfortable 2nd level. They couldn't go back to the 1st level, because having tasted the heavenly gifts....well who would ever want to go back that far? But nevertheless....all the "man-directed" junk reappeared. The labels. ...the superintendents..... the heirarchies. And running meetings in the raw effusion of the order of Melchizedek... well the Presence of God wasn't enough anymore!

Here's another third-level truth.
On the way into the tabernacle there are no steps.
In Anglicanism there are steps. You start as a curate. You become a vicar. Then you become a Bishop. Your ermine gets thicker!!! Your penguin costumes get more and more elaborate. You'd better believe there are steps!!! Bishops and vicars have to then perform this mental juggling act between what is read out in the scriptures in a 2 yearly cycle or whatever....so everything that Jesus says about becoming a servant etc.....has to be mentally squared up with the way Anglicanism is run! No wonder some of them have breakdowns! One of my friends has recently de-vicared!!!
Because the tabernacle has no steps...they are forbidden..."lest they show the shame of man's weakness"....the 3rd level or Holy of Holies is on the same level as anything else in the Tabernacle!!!

Here's another 3rdlevellism!!!
Every single human on Earth was taken into the bosom of the Father at the Cross - in Jesus.
The problem is ignorance. People don't know that!!

Every single Christian was born again in the 3rd Level...the Holy of Holies....when Jesus ascended into the heavenlies right into the Holiest Place. This is made clear in Ephesians 1 and 2.

But the god of this world has blinded our eyes. Now some have escaped into level 1. They know Jesus has forgiven them their sins. Some have escaped into level 2 and now manifest the spiritual gifts, lead people to Jesus, and build networks of 2nd levellers. But Juan Carlos Ortiz prophesied that there would come a time when everybody would be born again in the third level, the Holy of Holies....here on earth. The New Covenant...when everyone would know the Lord from the least to the greatest.

And the foretaste of that was Florida last year!!! It wasn't just the Todd Bentley show. Nicholas and Pam were there. Peter Stott was there. Leaders from Southampton and Chichester were there. Basil De Souza came back so zapped...while he was preaching he looked at somebody in India and they were levitated to the ceiling in the glory, such was the Fire of God coming out from his eyes.
The doors of the 3rd level were ajar!!! It was the "Jesus in His worldwide Body" show as televised by God Channel!

But let me explain again what this blog is about.
Suppose the Father gives you a bike. And while enveloping you in His arms, you're sitting on the bike enjoying balancing. And each meeting He gets the bike out, and because He is there holding you very firmly, you are able to balance while the bike is stationary.

Well after several meetings would you not be saying to the Father..."I'm getting a bit frustrated, because you gave me this bike, and you are getting me on it every meeting...but when do I get to actually ride it myself and learn to balance on my own?"
"No. No son. This bike is only for Josh Mills meetings with the gold dust. It won't work out on the roads!!"

Well ofcourse that's silly. And that's the point of this blog. This blog is saying that 3rd level Christianity is precisely that. It's taking Christ in your form, as you...and living him out on the road. Learning to balance the bike yourself. And the glory of this Jesus life is that it works!!!
By faith. By His grace. Not of our own works. But it genuinely is Him living our life. And we activate it as we activate anything by stepping out on His Word. By believing in our heart and by confessing with our mouth. Like Dan who continually writes and says "Iam the righteousness of God in Christ!" Whew that's a powerful one!

But that's not the parable.

It's in answer to this question that has been buzzing in my mind for months."If this 3rd level thing has nothing to do with elitism...how on earth do I articulate that in left-brain words. How do I say I am exploring the 3rd level without it sounding really like I'm saying I am something special."
Well I believe this is one of those nuggets that Jesus has breathed Himself. It's like this.

Three dimensions.
Physicists say a single point is a singularity. Imagine an infinitely small dot having no height, no width and no breadth. Add one dimension. Width. So you can now go from point A to another point B on the horizon but only in one line. Better than being stationary isn't it? Are you superior because you are making for point B, though you haven't arrived? No. No more superior than a person simply getting on a train. It's just something you do.

But supposing the place you want to reach is way over to the left and nowhere near where the A to B train is going. Well you could always use a car. A car moves in 2 dimensions. You can turn left and right.
Are you more superior because you use a car? Well Jeremy Clarkson says you are. But in reality it is just another tool that gives us slightly greater flexibility. But we're not saying we've arrived.
We're on our way. But in 2 dimensions.
Supposing we want to mend the space station which keeps breaking down. We're going to have to move in 3 dimensions. A rocket or rocket plane.
Have we arrived? Are we superior? No it's just a tool which has more manoeverability to allow us to move in three dimensions. Up as well as across and straight ahead.
This dimension parable picture is brilliant for another reason. It shows how a person can be born again in the third level but still has to go through all the growth stages. Something I couldn't quite get my head round, though I knew from Florida last year was true. All we are saying is that a third level seed of three dimensional Divine Life has been placed into a believer's spirit. That seed is perfect. Can't be improved on. Contains everything within it that the believer will ever need...."the Fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells within My Lord...etc...and we are complete in Him." But the 3 dimensional seed still has to grow
OUT
IN THREE DIMENSIONS.
But at least it is 3 dimensional seed.... not one or 2 dimensional seed that we've been preaching for nearly 2000 years...and getting only one or two dimensional results!!!!........meanwhile, where was I?

Ah yes....So any talk of 3rd level as having arrived...well Paul just said...I press on to know the power of His resurrection that if at all possible I may attain to the resurrection of the dead...Phew...to even be thinking like that.
Mind you this was the man, who having been stoned,left for dead, was prayed for by the brethren, gets up, and without even a cup of tea says..."Right, next town then!!!" It always reminds me of the Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, who loses all his limbs and fights on.

All third level is , is simply the revelation you need to get you out of that meeting room, away from those praise CDs, away from the prayer closet, away from 24/7 one hour prayer sessions

to a place where you start growing up into the Head
Fulltime
leaving meetings behind
but when you later go into them you turn them on their head
because you are a 3rdleveller
you live there.
You don't go to meetings so they can bless you.
You go to meetings so you can take them by the scruff of the neck and head them off in a 3rdlevel direction, before anyone knows what you are doing!
3rd level subversion...like Jesus walking to the front of a meeting reading Isaiah 61 then saying Today this is fulfilled amongst you.
Meanwhile a rabbi looks up, raises his thick eyebrows and says "Aherm! I don't remember that last sentence. Come again?What was that?"

Part of third level life is winding people up. I love the fact that by calling this blog "On to the 3rd Level"...tons of people stuck in their left-brains are thinking of Greek step mentality and that I am setting myself up as a super saint who has achieved step 3...and therefore hate this blog...

when really Ephesians says all of us have been caught up into the heavenlies and we operate now from there. 1st and 2nd levellers read these chapters out because they have to......but 3rd levellers are the only ones who dare to say
because this is TRUE we run our meetings this way. Today this is fulfilled before your very eyes!!!
Another 3rd levellism is that our God is not
The God of Abraham and Isaac.
For years we have effectively preached that.
Our God is
The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob.
This is the generation of Jacob...those who seek the face of the God of Jacob..Ps24
AND LIVE!

Life In the Order of Melchizedek II - Chris Welch's 90s Testimony

You can read in my post which catalogues Dan's Vaults about some of the things that have happened to me in the 70s and 80s while following Jesus.
In one of Amy's associated blogs I believe someone was sharing about the" ekklesia" - the called out church. In Hebrews13: 12-14 it says:




12Therefore Jesus also, ^(W)that He might sanctify the people ^(X)through His own blood, suffered ^(Y)outside the gate. 13So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, ^(Z)bearing His reproach. 14For here ^(AA)we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking ^(AB)the city which is to come.
I believe in the States you have the traditional churches and the Emerging churches. Is that correct? In England we have the emerging churches emerging from the Emerging churches which 30 years ago emerged from the traditional churches.


Perhaps this is now the same in the States. You see we have to keep emerging!!! But instead of creating new churches...here's a radical concept....why not have a structure that keeps re-positioning itself?.... That is constantly in the Spirit at least...going outside the camp....being the intercession for new believers, for new breakthroughs as we see God's Kingdom coming to earth. In Acts, after the initial breakthrough and wave of persecution, they re-positioned themselves afresh.....bracing themselves for fresh breakthroughs but also fresh persecution, and the Lord confirmed their boldness by shaking the place they were in and sending fresh anointing.

Some people have been sharing the reception they get after leaving a church. Some have been thrown out. Some felt to leave. But however they left they have been experiencing "those knowing eyes" from brothers and sisters who judge.

That was what I experienced in the late 80s. If they were looking at me. Many did not look. Many crossed the road.......But the most healing thing for me was to get on with what was laid on my heart to do. As I said to Dan, it was the time of Michael W Smith: Eye 2 Eye, Amy Grant: Lead Me On, and Whiteheart:Freedom. Talk about strength in a desert.
Apart from the Bible, what was there at this time? This music was real food. I had no one, but a gentle couple round the corner. I had left my hometown, my university...to position myself to learn more. For 10 years(1978-88), I had thrown my lot into a Christian charismatic community, where I had learned tons, including accompanying someone in New Testament style to help build a church from nearly scratch in France near Paris.
So, as many of you ex SGM-ers or whatever are experiencing.....you leave at your peril. All your existential roots are with a group you thought you'd be with or moving out in the gospel with forever! And there it is. All gone!
The only material root I still had, of any importance, was my job. Piano tuning. Oh and a mortgage on a house.

But I was finding out how to articulate what God was doing in me. No one would listen and you can see even today it is tough. How do you think George Warnock got on when he discovered it all in the early 1950s!!! I bet he had tons of set tos with Ern Baxter, when he was his personal secretary.


Some day I'll explain more about what I did during this time :the music double CD on the 3 levels, and the making of the 1989 3rd level Christianity message tape, then the writing of the "Letter to the Charismatic Movement" and how I hired a fantastic huge self-catering house to share my findings with my University friends....one of which is now my wife......so all was not lost! This was me putting my flag in the ground at this time in raw faith. Apart from a softening on the part of two other close friends....that has been it for 20 whole years.



It's just been me...living it. Slipping. Falling. Carrying on. Each time with slightly more confidence. Then getting married at the ripe age of 40...and having to learn it all again in the context of family life....oh and with stepdaughters suitably embittered by their mother not putting up with the stuff her first husband wanted to do. Normally at this stage a marriage counsellor chips in with "there are two sides"...but are there always? Sometimes there is a stand to be made and it is a tough call. I was a distant friend, right out of the picture. And slowly the Holy Spirit graciously began re-building her amongst covenant relationship type life-joints that were in her region. We don't talk like this anymore...people are so hurt by a Covenant Church vision that splintered on the rocks of time. But, I tell you friends, Covenant is coming back! In the 3rd level there is a foundation!!! His Name is the Lover of our souls...Jesus. More in a later post.
So explained in a few paragraphs, that is the external shell to my life during the 90s. But what I learned from Hebrews 13:13 was that we keep having to go outside. I will do a post about 3rd level Intercession later, but in a nutshell:
2nd level intercession is about corporately praying together as led by the Spirit...whether in prayer, praise, faith proclamations, use of tongues in warfare....maybe even prayer walks.

3rd level intercession involves you. The whole of you. No holds barred. There is no escape.
Forerunners include ofcourse Paul, who every time he was thrown into prison...another gazillion were born again...somewhere. Or in recent history Lydia Prince, explicitly obeying the Spirit to move to Jerusalem and being open to raising orphans. Or Watchman Nee willingly, but as commanded by the Spirit...re-entering a Chinese prison of his own accord in 1966.And dying there. And so on and so on.

In 1988, I received my commissioning about what became the 3rd Level message . It was in a car up the cold wintry mountains in the Welsh Snowdon range. I had absolutely no idea how you go about doing anything with that information amongst a people still drunk with the powers and possibilities of building 2nd level churches. (Churches preaching salvation by faith and baptism in the Holy Spirit...but decidedly cagey about a whole host of the rest of New Testament doctrine. - For example Paul's simple acid test....."I came to see if I could find Christ crucified amongst you." " What, is that an experience? I thought it was a Matt Redman song!")



I love Matt Redman's songs, by the way. I love my songs too! But just singing was not what St Paul was asking.
So by around 1990 I had begun an intercessory path. But while the big project of the last 20 years has been going on, I became aware that I was on a little 4 year one from 1990 - 4.



Christian Media - Whether the paucity in the Uk of Christian media and music was impressed upon me so heavily, because all my friends had scarpered...and there was little in the way of input? Most was coming from the American Contemporary Christian Music scene as I have already mentioned. Then we learned that United Christian Broadcasters Northern Ireland had been given a MW radio frequency from an old, now defunct Moscow propaganda radio station and was blanketing the UK with the gospel, and Christian programming. You should know that the UK had developed strong misgivings over Christian TV and radio media as practiced by Americans. This had been in no way helped through the various scandals that had just come to light concerning 2 American evangelists.

So, in their wisdom, the UK Government banned UK wide Christian programming, whether by radio or TV. They would argue that various ITV and BBC religious programmes would supply those interested in these type of things. There is a fundamental difference however between the histories of the USA and England to this point. England effectively pushed out of this land adherents to a Christian faith that included an internal confirmation of second birth...or being born again. For the sake of acquiring freedom to take the Bible at its Word, huge numbers left our land in the early years of pioneering the new nation across the pond. Various freedoms are enshrined in USA Law that are not included in our laws. Nevertheless we enjoy great freedom here until the State get involved with religious matters. The Anglican Church with both its good and bad points, are effectively de facto the foundation of religious life here. Unlike the Catholic influence in history in European nations, we have enjoyed the reading of the whole Bible in our own tongue . This has only recently been the case in the Catholic Church since the ruling of Vatican II in the 60s.

But many of the encrustations of centuries of what is actually Biblical rebellion have passed into the Anglican Church. Religious heirarchies are not Biblical. Geographical heirarchies are not Biblical. One man ministry is not Biblical . Infant baptism is not Biblical. A church that neither recognises rebirth, nor Baptism of the Spirit with miraculous giftings as the normative behaviour of a Christian is not Biblical.Ministries that do not emerge over time by recognising the Holy Spirit anointing on a believer...are not Biblical.....indeed so much is sick about the Anglican Church from its internal structure, to its non-Biblical systems of running services...is it any wonder that God has begun the other way round with churches such as Chorleywood and Holy Trinity Brompton, by first giving the members a proper Christian experience, then working out from this point to discovering how to run church life? Yet, up to this week at least they still remain successful Anglican Churches.
Back to media. UCB,the broadcasters mentioned above, soon had their mediumwave frequency, which had been given them by the Russians, taken by the UK Government. This was then sold on to the highest bidder. This raises questions like...when somebody overseas gives you their frequency...does any Government own the right to that frequency...by virtue of the frequency being broadcast across their airspace. Under that rule...how does the BBC get away with broadcasting the World Service across closed nations? Is this a case where the UK is acting like the USA does in claiming the higher ground. On whose authority? It is certainly not the unanimous verdict from all the other nations..... This is where questions regarding democracy come into play. Does anybody out there understand radio licensing law?
Anyway,the Kingdom is not democratic. The clue is in the name. (More another day perhaps.)

So having UCB removed as a Life source was a big thing for me...and I felt it very keenly. This moved from being a niggle to a Spirit burden regarding the Christian message in Britain. I used to belabour my tuning clients, Christian and non-Christian. Sometimes it slipped into a petty anger, but overall I felt the full force of what was going on....or rather what wasn't going on in Britain. In the USA there was a whole raft of Christian media. A full selection of Christian contemporary musicians. What was it like in England? Well the musician who worked with me on my double CD was one of only a handful of full-time Christian musicians...and after producing with me, tried his hand in America, helped by the fact that his wife was American.

UCB sent out regular newsletters detailing their efforts with media lawyers. On a couple of occasions I organised fasting and prayer weekends with the handful that were talking to me, in Bucks and Hants. We prayed. We read the newsletter. The news got worse. We prayed.
It was like a lead weight in my stomach. Romans 8:26"groaning too deep for words".On and off this continued for around 4 years.

The first major breakthrough was the setting up of PremierChristian Radio around London. There was a legal doorway left open in the 1990s UK media laws. Nationwide coverage was prohibited, but certain cities could apply for local licences.
The most 3rd level material on Premier comes through Colin Urquart, and also recorded messages of Witness Lee (a Watchman Nee contemporary). Can you imagine the frustration of living in a country where the most 3rd level stuff you will ever here in Britain cuts out at Guildford, halfway to the south coast?

In case I forget later I want to highlight the main point in this post: there are 2 levels at which intercession occurs.
Here I am using "levels" in simple English usage. The surface level means we see a problem and we do whatever lies to hand to address this problem. This is according to our means, where we live and our general level of vision. I am a Brit, and we suffer with a little and insular vision. Thankfully, I as most reading this blog are Christians or maybe about to be Christians. And Christians have the Spirit of Christ on their insides...which gets fully released in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
And the Spirit of Christ thinks and groans through us on a very much larger scale...Global scale...Kingdom scale.

So the point of this post ,which is the same as this whole blog is
not to make me look good
nor is it for me to be self-effacingly nauseating and say "Oh it's nothing really!"

no...it is to say, this is how the Kingdom works...like it or lump it...and the same Jesus that is in me or Rob Rufus or Mark Stibbe, or a born-again 5 year-old...is the same Jesus in you.
So at the surface level...we do what is in our hands to do. But in our spirit the Almighty power of God that knows no limits is labouring to achieve "the greater than we can ask or think".

Watch this!

So, at the surface level, the great Chris Welch with the British vision of a gnat says...there's no Christian TV, no Christian radio...I know, I'll create a video library of teaching . People will join for the fee of one video (VHS days) then pay a modicum £1 or so for each borrowed tape to maintain and extend the library. Because Morris Cerullo's events contain at any time 15 or so of the top current anointed teachers, I bought whole sets of his events. I bought Roberts Liardon's great Generals series. And so on. I think about 5 people ever joined. But I enjoyed the messages anyway.

This is what God did.
This has to be the weirdest Christian meeting in history. Neither party knew what it was about,
perhaps they still don't. I know what I believe.

I have, in 26 years, only advertised pianos in a national paper about twice. This was before Google and web business! A young couple in Bromley saw my ad for a grand, visited my house and arranged to buy it 3 months later in September. This was going to be after one final concert tour in South Africa playing keyboard with Blondie. This would provide the money.

September came. The piano stood there. They had lost my details. They never bought the piano.The whole thing was a non-event.
Except it wasn't
I know all the details...because I met them again...at a Kenneth Copeland Believer'sConference in Bournemouth. On the stage.

In my house, we'd ascertained we were all Christians. We spent an hour together sharing stuff...walking down to Emsworth beach(See picture above). I played them the Joel 2 track on my CD. The lady said"Sounds just like Dad's prophecies". I explained a bit about what I was doing and my discoveries to do with the 3rd Level. They, like most, thought it was strange I was shut away on my own restoring pianos. They'd just arrived in Britain. They didn't really know why. God had told them to sell everything and they'd just come from South Africa. They just had some sort of feeling about reaching young people in Britain. They'd attached themselves as youth evangelists to a lively church in Bromley. They didn't know what I'd been carrying for 4 years. Neither they, nor I knew of their future...so I ofcourse never felt it relevant to share my past 4 years.
The weirdest meeting in history.
At least God told Simeon that it was Jesus the Messiah Luke 2:25
We just all gawped at one another....and anyway they were supposedly buying a piano!

So I see them a few months later and they are the first people in England, let alone Europe to set up a Christian TV Station. (The UK had not included Sattellite channels in their legislation)
And the couple.... they are Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV. And the rest is in Wendy's book.

Notice God never commissioned English saints for this task. He knows better!
Notice , apart from Jackie Pullinger....God never commissioned an Englishman to pioneer a great church in Hong Kong. He's using Rob Rufus. God knows better! They're all South African!
This a shame England! How long have you had the gospel? Only 2000 years! What kind of Christianity do you specialise in? First-level or sub zero level Christianity! At least the States specialises in 1st and 2nd level Christianity!

And you can see why God used Rory and Wendy and not the great Chris Welch video library! He has a world to win! It's a close call...eh!
But laughing aside, while I don't trust my petty-minded British small faith vision....I do trust the mighty Spirit within me to keep me connected to the Melchizedek order!

Think about it! I was in exile. I was not in a church during this period. Apart from tuning customers who did I see?A few close friends who had softened to me. And God brought Rory and Wendy...before even they knew what they were doing in England to MY little house...to show me what I'd been connecting to in the Spirit!
There's only 70 million others who could have responded to that grandpiano ad! And the whole piano thing turned out bogus anyway!!! I mean, saints...come on!!! This stuff's real isn't it?
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