How Acts 2 IS the HOLY of HOLIES on legs!!

 This morning's Facebook posts on what it is we are actually a part of.

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The way Facebook works as all you guys know is by participation in the form of a response . A like . The like then gives tacit acceptance to a flow of posts . Can I just say , that I am through with the solo ministry thing . This is a figment of everybody’s imagination . There is no such thing in the Kingdom . You get sent out in minimums of twos . Perhaps not in Christianity , but when you are preaching Kingdom you do . Can I also say I am through with Romans 3 to 5 ministry . Just to be clear there I mean the isolated form of ministry that it is , taken out of all context of the whole of the rest of Romans . Can I also say I am through with women leaping out of “ socialisation “ into an esotericism that involves Grand Masters and angels and lights and stones and crystals and kundilini and chakras and third eyes . What I am interested in is people who know how taking up the Cross works , how Genesis 3 is a lie , how we have died and it is no longer I that live , and this being so true that we have moved from death to life and are inside each other . We are like disciples helping each other with nets . As marvellous as Rodney Howard Browne, Benny Hinn are ... they aren’t actually part of that . As marvellous as all these ladies are finding life beyond the strictures of Law , and male pyramid societies , finding flow and Romans 3 to 5 life ........ and as a common theme loads of ladies club together ...... But are they together really ? The together of the Kingdom really really is the destruction of the “ lone - I “ from Genesis 3. It’s not just where we find each other as Grace covered people . There’s any number of churches of 15-35 year olds as was Rob Rufus church in Hong Kong all drinking of the grace message around 2008-12. But you notice it was still one leader doing all the ministering . If it’s genuine then I guess like Jesus after about 42 months there will be now 12 going off and doing the same . Except it isn’t is it ? Jesus wasn’t ministering out of a single shred of Genesis 3 consciousness . He was transmitting pure Kingdom . He had no “ lone - I “ consciousness so what He was imparting wasn’t miracles , wasn’t even the complete covering for sin . What He was ministering was uncovering any of this sham existence by being filled with grace and truth .At times gently , at times ferociously . And they trusted Him to do it because He had authority .And was ofcourse under authority . Real life and Real Kingdom are the same thing . One thing . And we join each other inside it . But it is absolute Light and not all of Jerusalem were up for it . So here we are and this is the “ king David’s new cart “ of automated fellowship where we “ like “ something . The truth of Light though is we are either drawn to it in one another or repelled by it . And similarly if there’s any Dark we are repelling one another if in that matter we are already in Light . A lot of this is unspoken . It’s inside attitudes behind the things we are writing about . Many times we can’t quite articulate it either . Or it’s like Paul writes “ if I am an eye and because you are a hand , I say I have no need of you .....” so there's some of that too . We are all at different stages and that’s not a problem ..... honestly not .... It’s when a solo person thinks that after being given a gift of healing in 1 Corinthians 12 that they are now John Doe ministries Or That because they have read as far as Romans 5 that being able to minister to 15-35 year olds is the same as Kingdom . Praise and worship 25 minutes . Preach on the covering of the Blood 30 minutes . Get a word of knowledge to heal somebody - a few minutes then everyone’s buzzing and send them home . OK . But none of that’s Kingdom . It’s somewhere in the first two weeks of the gospels except they at least ministered in twos , so it isn’t even that . It gets 15-35 year olds excited ..... for many weeks and months any way ..... Until a church split over real world , real living type stuff .  

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Dave Bilbrough, one of many on the podium of the London House church gatherings

Why do we go out in twos? So we can now have a tandem pair of Genesis 3 conscious people ministering out of their leftbrain of library facts ? No that would be like taking two mono loud speakers and saying “ hey listen to this . It’s stereo !” It isn’t though . It’s simply two mono speakers . It’s the same sound information reinforced through two mono speakers . THE REASON WE GO OUT IN TWOS AND MORE IS TO BEGIN DEMONSTRATING THE EPHESIANS 1.10 ADMINISTRATION . This is Kingdom . Gerald Coates , Maurice Smith , Dave Bilbrough, John MacLaughlin, David Mansell ( to start ) even the Galloping Gourmet !!! Yup Graham Kerr was there !!!! John Noble ofcourse . Instinctually they were doing Kingdom . But each one were still right inside the old Genesis 3 consciousness still , but with some anointing !!!! By by the lights of 1970s it was brilliant . And it was nascent Kingdom . We aren’t preaching” lone - I Genesis 3” power Christianity . We are not preaching mono loudspeaker Christianity . The whole “ sonic “ information of Kingdom is stereo from the very first sentence . It’s redeemed community . But ofcourse how redeemed we are shows up in LIGHT . If we are still a load of Alan Bennett mono “ Talking Heads “ ( his plays that are monologues ) Just putting us in a room will still be a load of mono speakers . To be baptised in the sea and under the cloud as a people , as a City compacted together , is something God has to work . If we work it , then it’s socialism . It’s redistribution of wealth . Which is just a con , because the elite share out our hard earned goods with a bunch of ne’er do Wells and cream off the top load for themselves .... or sell off all the hardware of a country .... its power its water its railways its health and all these get run as corporations and the expenses skyrocket . That’s why the actual production of any nation devolves mostly back into 70% of self employed and small businesses. Because pyramids don’t work . Endless tiers of middle managers benefit a few at the top but they are the most inefficient way of running anything . The Body . The Kingdom . Our own bodies . Do not resemble Eiffel Towers . Or pyramids . We are a whole . With no middle management . The Body is joined by that which each individual joint supplies . That’s the Ephesians 1.10 Kingdom . In Darkness you have to have pyramids . Darkness churches are run by one human down through tiers . Kingdom Churches are run by the Holy Spirit through living connection and many classes or types of gifting distributed throughout the Body . The one who has real authority is just doing a whole load more “ supplying and joining “.

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Fisherfolk Yeldhall Manor

Wherever they were at the London house church leaders ministered out of the rediscovery of baptism in the Spirit in a no religious setting and RELATIONSHIP . Wherever they were at Graham Pulkingham and the Fisherfolk ministered baptism in the Spirit out of Graham’s deeper Anglican history but out of Community lived relationship . As we proved in Emsworth Community , the Body is itself an entity like our own bodies with its own homeostasis . There’s stuff coming up and in Christ we do have what it takes for things to be brought into complete deliverance . We weren’t very good at it . We didn’t have Norman Grubbs articulation . But it really was going on , had we continued with it . The alarming nature of “ The Hideous strength” that is serpent life quite put the leadership off , and some of the leadership got rid of the more mature leadership and called this all “ way too heavy and unnecessary “. So what happens ? Things which had been more fluid and Kingdom revert back to pyramid , and “ one leaders family “..... with only family members having a look in ... until they too get cheesed off. But no .... the gospel was clear . Take up your cross and follow Me Paul says Dont get bitter in the day of testing . That’s not the same as allowing a pyramid leader to do and say what they like . That’s just Marxism . But when your strongholds are being brought into the Light ..... be assured you won’t like it . It’s not a deckchair on the Mediterranean . It is the Song of Solomon north wind . It is the astringents in Esther’s beautification . Jacob said at Peniel “ Dont let me go until you have blessed me “. Bind the festal sacrifice to the altar . But boy this has to be right !!!! People who are Christ them will really be about pulling you through . The Spirit will be upon them for this purpose . They will be groaning with groans too deep for words and the Holy Spirit will be helping them in their weakness . And guess what ? Next week it will be their turn !!!! Nobody is exempt . We are going from glory to glory . Elders have just had more of this sequence . They’ve done more of this training in righteousness . But nobody can say “ I am without sin now “..... all we can say is we are getting better at believing Christ in me as me . It’s not a doctrine , it’s a manifestation of greater and greater unity and love. Of being inside each other in a holy and healthy way ..... not codependency , aiding and abetting each other’s Genesis 3 alone-I. This is why we “ sniff the air “ like Paul . Because we are spiritual beings we know this stuff anyway when we are amongst people . Understand this ..... yup , some part is a geographical melding of each church in one location .... but it’s really a continuous state in the Spirit . Having fallen in love , God does mean things like says ....Right you have to move on now !!! So it says in Acts on the beach everybody was loving on Paul as he was leaving , with much tears and crying . They genuinely didn’t know if he would be killed . But it’s this Romans 8 state that we are co pollinating round the world . To the extent we are inside it , to that extent we meet each other instantly inside it . When we were firstlevellers , we met each other inside the glorious knowledge of being born again . When we were baptised in the Spirit we met inside that too . When we were having Romans 3 to 5 opened up we nolonger had to regale each other with the exciting things God had been using us to do . We now knew it was just a glorious grace covered being we’d been brought into . But Romans 8 is the place where you know that you know that you know there is no independent self . Romans 7 has strung you up from the ceiling to prove it . You now know something of being inside each other ..... at least relative to the current Rhema word that Christ is speaking and getting you both involved in . Some people are preaching a Christianity , whatever that is . But Jesus preached Kingdom . The Kingdom of heaven is at hand . 3 1/2 years later there was a microcosm that got called ekklesia . Can we really call anything on earth yet run like a pyramid the world over “ church “ or “ ekklesia “? Does it even look like Acts 2? I’ve never heard this spelt out by anybody but me , but isn’t Acts 2 just the Holy of Holies furniture ? In the Holy of Holies there’s a prepared mercy seat . An acacia box covered inside and out with gold , stacked out with three forms of Word . Testimonies of “ Life being lived “ The Rhema NOW Word The Declaration of pulling the whole of heaven into our earth space . Or the almond stick declarations of Deliverance . And above the Mercy Seat the manifestations of Gods Now glory , His Shekinah Presence . So in Acts 2 we see this as all one package . And that is our blueprint as ekklesia . Well where is it ? Anywhere ? For brief instances God works revival like Jesus Word of knowledge about where the fish are . The fish are found and all the ministries are fighting each other over the nets and the biggest hauls . Then we go back to Jesus in the gospels and see the same pattern and reproduction of Kingdom . God has to start somewhere so He starts with His Chosen Son , who though solo , in His Heart are the highways to Zion . So unlike any other ministry anywhere Jesus brings 12 ordinary people into this co shared Holy of Holies reality by Acts 2. Extraordinary . But I’ve never heard that spelled out by anybody ever . Not even R Edward Miller who prayed in the Argentine Revival Not even Jorge Pradas who established a church in every province of Argentina and some others in Europe and UK. WHAT IS IT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING ?

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Yeldall Manor where the Fisherfolk were based in UK, then Vic Gledhill based Life for the World Trust  Drug Rehab here.

  Unless you are born of the Kingdom you cannot see the Kingdom . It’s just endless religious movements and stone buildings scattered across the nations . Cain church and Abel church . Understand the Anglican harvest festival is but a small meme of the entire thing but it sure does go a long way to capturing the whole of it. The idea of bringing in food that you have harvested out of your own farms , not as a sacrifice for sins exactly, they aren’t quite that mad ...... but it’s some kind of “ works thank offering “ for Gods abundant supply . It’s some tins “ on the side “ which will be farmed out to people who will be genuinely grateful , doubtless . But real Kingdom is real heart relationship with God and each other . It dismantles the whole of Genesis 3 separation from the inside of the heart out . We really do all go into the ground and die .... Not to OUR AUTHENTIC SELF..... To our whole Satanically driven spirit infestation that takes a Cross to deliver us in death and resurrection. Our authentic God conceived and God created self comes bouncing back bigger than ever !!! Norman Grubb calls it “ us - with a wink “. Because we know that at our inner centre we have died !!!! If this process doesn’t have Jesus label on it , it isn’t . It’s just that it’s a Holy Spirit label that can’t be seen except by born again eyes . When did I give to you a drink Jesus ? When that little one came in my name and asked for a drink . What is “ my name “? Spontaneously God driven . There is a beggar type who hasn’t the slightest intention of anything other than free food , and they claim that they are coming in Gods Name and asking you for free stuff . But just “ claiming “ and “ being something spontaneous “ in your own God given integrity are two different things . Back to the heart thing . All of us are naturally something . First thing I got used in was having loads of songs . These were a blessing to the Body . Then I got cheesed off . Know why ? I can articulate it now . I didnt want to be stuck for ever and a day with aiding and abetting the Genie Aladdin’s Lamp rubbing of praise . I wanted to get to the heart of what the apostles were actually doing . Vic Gledhill had a burden for all the drug addicts . He began Life for the World Trust and they moved into the Reading House that the Fisherfolk had lived in . During the height of multilevel marketing I met Vic again . By this time he was into motivational speaking in business . A kind of less well known Zig Ziglar . I asked him how he’d pulled away from his drug rehab work . “Only a small number ever get free “said Vic . “I got tired of wasting my life on losers . I feel I can make a greater contribution with those that want to change their mindset .” Want my perspective on that ? Perhaps you dont . My perspective is that is that Vic was a cross between a Matthew and a Mark . He likes things to be practical and actually work , but like Lance Walnau , he’s also a big perspective man , who likes setting things in motion . A builder . An entrepreneur . But if you never “ see “ how Jesus came not only to bless us with Deuteronomy 28 blessings , but to completely reverse the Genesis 3 lie ..... anything you practically try to do for people won’t get anywhere . That’s why we preach Kingdom . That’s why we preach seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness . Not just to be mean . Because it’s the only thing that works . Marxism doesn’t work . Actually neither left nor right politics works . Kingdomtics is the only thing that works , and contains every shade of genuine positivity within all of it .

Looking through the lenses of the Cross - Rob Rufus

Dan Bowen transcribed this  and remember it was in the very comments section of Dan's own personal blog (Jan -July2008) that this blog was incubated, until some of the girls coralled me into doing my own. Dan  recently died and I don't know any details.

Grace and Glory Conference 2010 - Session 2 - Rob Rufus
This is the 2nd session of the 2010 Glory and Grace Conference held in Hong Kong preached by Rob Rufus;

"Looking through the lenses of the Cross"

I want to talk on the wonderful Cross this afternoon. There is so much Scripture we could read but we are going to read just one verse. 1 Corinthians 1:17;

"For Christ did not send me to baptise but to preach the Gospel - not with words of human wisdom - less the Cross of Christ be emptied of it's power".

It is an astounding insight to me that the Cross can be emptied of it's living power! As soon as we rely on human wisdom or intellectual power - we empty the Cross of it's supernatural content. Later in this chapter Paul said that God will frustrate the intelligence of the intelligent.

Intellectual preaching of the Cross is no gospel at all!

Paul said he wanted to know only Christ and Him crucified. Preaching and demonstration of His power so that men's faith would not rely on man's wisdom.

The scandal of the Cross is it's simplicity. The Cross is so simple - it confuses clever people.

Yet the Cross is the wisdom of God. The Cross is profound! The Cross is deep! Yet it is in simplicity - we preach the Cross and we believe on the Cross of Christ. When the Galatian church started leaving the Cross and going into Moses law like many Christians today - for them the Cross is just that baby thing. It is for immature believers. Paul wrote a letter immediately to the Galatians and all his apostolic passion and in the complete absence of political correctness or diplomacy - he said; "You foolish idiots! Who has bewitched you?! Christ was clearly betrayed before your very eyes as crucified!".

I want to ask you unreflecting idiots - does God move among and do miracles because you obey the law or because you believe the message of the Cross?

Paul is making it very clear that when the Cross of Christ is not central to all we preach - the power of God stops moving in the church and through the church!

When we repent of our intellectual arrogance, and understand that the Greeks want great philosophy and the Jews want signs and wonders and the world is divided between those that are brain-centered and those are that are intuitive and feeling-centered - and the answer for that is not to flatter this side or that side but to hold our line boldly and preach the message of the Cross that is foolishness by the arrogance of this world's standards - but it is the wisdom of God.

The wisdom of God is what I want. The wisdom of God and the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The Bible says that the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man. The Cross is the lense that we must look at life through. When you look at principalities and powers through the lense of the Cross - you see them only defeated! You see the devil so small and the ruling spirit over Hong Kong is the Holy Spirit! All others were triumphed over at the Cross! Jesus took no prisoners.

He stripped them all of their authority, disarmed them, when you look at people through the lense of the Cross you see objects of God's love and affection. When you look at sickness through the Cross you see that all things are possible, when you look at the nations through the Cross, you KNOW it is possible to disciple nations! China can be discipled by the gospel of grace! Australia can! Africa can! All the nations will be! There will be cultural changes in government and education through the Cross.

Will all the world obey God? No. Will evil get worse? I don't know it can - but possibly. But this I know - that the greatest sign of the end of the age - the greatest sign of history being summed up at the consummation of the ages is not a temple on the Rock in Jerusalem! It has got nothing to do with "666" or the Anti-Christ! In Matthew 24:14 Jesus said in answer to the question what will be the sign of the end of the age - the gospel will be preached as a sign to all nations and then the end will come!

The greatest sign at the end of the age is a restored gospel of the Kingdom.

You say; "Rob why are you preaching with such intensity - can't you just chill and relax a bit?". No - it is because the Cross does that to my blood. Everything from the Old Covenant has to come through the lenses of the Cross. It changes before it goes into the New! Every church needs to have the lense - the filter of the Cross in place! There are certain night clubs that you cannot get into unless you have something to get in there with. There is a bouncer in the door that won't let you get in.

The Cross is God's defense to protect the Church from the ministry of death!

2 Corinthians 3:7 says the law is a ministry of death!

The law was meant to kill us and crush us and curse us and condemn us and pour wrath on us and stir up more sin in us! How many pastors in their right minds would let THAT into their congregation? Any preaching designed to perform and deserve is preaching the Law!

I don't care if you don't dress up in Levitical priestly clothes and don't say "Moses said ..." - when we preach to believers that we have to earn and deserve the blessing - we are preaching the Law. We heard this morning - preach the gospel of grace and stir believers to respond with faith and the power of the Cross will be released.

The Cross is the bouncer that won't let Old Covenant truths past through the Cross into New Covenant without them being changed.

Circumcision comes to the Cross and praise God - it doesn't get through easily! At the Cross - the bouncer made it irrelevant to have the snip on the tip! They used to snip on the tip and through it away - they never stuck it back on again with glue. Circumcision comes to the Cross and it changes as it comes through into the New Covenant! Now it is not the snip on the tip - it is circumcision of the heart!

Colossians chapter 2 says that old sinful nature which is really a nature of unbelief in the goodness of God - a nature driven to rebellion against God through unbelief in His goodness - that old nature was cut away, circumcised and thrown away - never to be brought back!

The power of the Cross removes the sinful nature from the unbeliever and gives us a new nature which is righteousness of God in Christ Jesus!

A nature that does not want to sin! A nature that is just like Jesus! Identical to Jesus! That is powerful! A watered-down or powerless preaching of the Cross has produced millions of counterfeit conversions.

The Cross produces radical salvations! The curse of the law comes through the Cross and says; "I want to get into the New Covenant!". The Cross says; "No! I cancel you! You will not condemn God's people! You will not manipulate them with guilt! You will not control them with religious demons! It is for freedom that Christ has set you free! Stand free and refuse to submit to a yoke of slavery!".

What is the yoke of slavery Rob? Very simple: it tells us right there in the chapter before. Slavery is bondage from Mount Sinai. Paul goes on in that same chapter of Galatians 5 and says in verse 4 if you Christians already in Christ seek to be justified by the law then you have been alienated from Christ and you have fallen from grace! Grace is infinitely higher than the law because if you go back to law, then it means you have fallen to something low down and it means that someone hasn't been safe-guarding you with the bouncer of the Cross! Or you haven't been safe-guarding your own heart because the Cross and power will never let the law through that has been cancelled theoretically and potentially - there is now therefore NO condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus!

Every Christian should be dancing their way through life with NO condemnation! I just went into a trance there. I just saw multiple millions of believers in Christ dancing their way through life without condemnation! I saw one billion, 400 million Chinese experiencing what is God's heart before time began to hear this gospel and not an inadequate or false gospel mixed with law and grace.

To mix law and grace is to preach NO gospel at all.

For if law can get through the Cross, then it is not the cry of the Cross of Christ that is being preached. Colossians 2:14 said God cancelled the law at the Cross! To preach what has been cancelled - the Holy Spirit will not help you. The Holy Spirit will not help you preach something the Father cancelled at the Cross! The world is under the law - not those in Christ. To preach the law to the believers is to preach with whatever power it is - but it is not God. It is the power of human wisdom emptying the Cross - it is the power of human ability and the power of devils and witchcraft. The Cross is not baby steps towards some maturity.

The Cross is only one step. It is God's one-step programme. We didn't take that one step. God took that step. It was a divine loving step in Christ Jesus through the Cross. In that loving step He came right to us - so all the fullness of Who God is stepped through that Cross towards us totally available to us! And He didn't wait for us to have enough faith to step through the Cross to us. We heard this morning that before we had any faith God absolutely and fully in Christ Jesus stepped towards us through the Cross and everything God is - is with us right now. When God stepped through the Cross in fullness to us - all the heavens were opened.

The height, breadth, depth and length of heaven was open to us believers in Christ!

So when you hear believers today praying these kind of prayers; "Oh God rend the heavens and come down!" - I think God goes; "Eh? I have ripped the veil, I have ripped the heavens and stepped towards you through the Cross - I am here fully!". To say; "God rend the heavens and come down is an insult to the Cross!".

It is not judgement on my condemning anybody. I have been preaching a mixture of law and grace.

But the fact is that the majority of the body of Christ on the planet today is under performance pressure - is a sign to me that the Cross has been emptied of it's power.

Every imaginable idea by God's people - every formula is out there on the market. God stepped through that Cross in Christ Jesus towards us and He took an oath in Isaiah 54. I am paraphrasing it but it is true to Scripture;

"I take an oath that I will never step back away from you through the Cross backwards - in all My fullness I am here with you all the time whether you can feel it or not - I am here! In fullness! With you".

Who hasn't sinned in the last 3 weeks? Not once! Glenda keep your hand down!

God's Presence is as much with you when you fail, mess up or make a mistake or even sin. We do not encourage sin. It is just silly to sin. It is not what our new creation nature wants. But we are all learning to walk this walk. And it is not our sin, our short-comings and our failings that causes Christ to be alienated from us. It is coming back under law.

People said when these great revivals came to the end, it was because there was too much sin. Friends - revival started in times of terrible sinning! Legalistic religion stirs up sinning! It is when people come back into grace that the power of Christ is operating in their lives - that is revival!

And the church would never need another revival if they would just stay in the power of the Cross!

It is like you want to get every pastor on the planet and say "Listen - there is a way for us to stay in the flow of God's Presence and power!". We are taking about 70 leaders away after this conference and we want to learn from each other the wisdom of how to administrate local church in grace. It is like Andrew Wommack said this morning - people get into extremes of both sides. This message of the gospel has to be so protected that local churches flourish in this gospel! We don't want to end up like the Galatians or end up like the Corinthians! People in grace are starting to say - listen I can be undisciplined, I don't need to go to church or read my Bible - just live loose! That is not the Cross!
(because of the thirdlevel stepchange this needs perhaps qualifying...but not too much!!!ACWelch)


If your heart doesn't beat with a passion to see the nations saved then you haven't understood grace! If the Bible isn't alive to you then you haven't understood grace! If local church isn't exciting to you then you haven't understood grace!

"But Rob I don't want to go to church that mixes law and grace!". We don't want "Grace Pharisees" who are so judgmental about everything - but if you can't a church that preaches the Cross in power then start one! There are enough of us to come help you! You can be a man or a woman, or any colour, it doesn't matter if you are not a preacher - start one! And if you are not stupid or a grace Pharisee then we will come help you! Anywhere in the world!

God's people have got to be assured of this. It is a one-step programme. There are no backward steps. Galatians 2, Colossians chapter 2 and Ephesians chapter 2, Romans chapter and Romans chapter 8 tells us why God will not step back from you. He is stuck with you even when you mess up and sin sometimes! On that Cross Christ was not crucified by Himself! Jesus said; "Take up your Cross and follow Me". Deny yourself - self-righteousness, religious arrogance, hypocrisy and come to Me those who are heavy laden and I will give you rest for My yoke is easy and My burden is light! Come to Me! And every person on the planet - the Bible says in those verses - we were co-crucified with Christ. We were co-buried with Christ, we were co-raised with Christ! We were co-ascended with Christ! We were co-seated with Christ in the heavenly realms! We are co-equal heirs with Christ!

God cannot go anywhere without you! For Christ to step away from you - He has to step away from Himself! 1st Corinthians 6:17 says;

"But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him".

So everywhere God is - you are there! When your shadow heals the sick, it is no big mystery! When your words carry miracle life and power - it is no mystery! You start this Christian race at the finishing line as a winner.

The spirit of suicide and the spirit of demonic religion is one and the same thing. Religion is occupied with trying to get us to die to ourselves.

"Come on - die to that flesh. Die to yourself!". If we believe that then we are admitting that Jesus didn't really die on the Cross. How can you die to yourself - when you have already been fully crucified with Christ? He fully died on that Cross! And your old sinful nature fully died on that Cross! And you have fully been raised from the dead in Christ! How can you die to yourself? "Rob I have heard Paul say - I die daily". Probably Tuesday morning, God allowing - I want to take Hebrews 5 and Hebrews 6 and in two sessions unpack those two chapters. We are going to hit verses 4, 5 and 6 in Hebrews 6. It says that those who fall away, it is impossible to be restored to repentance. We are going to show how many lies have been preached through not reading Scripture in context.

When Paul said; "I die daily" - he was not contradicting when he said; "I have been crucified with Christ". When Paul said; "I die daily" - he was not talking about his old nature having to be crucified again. The context was persecution for preaching this gospel. It caused him to be lashed many times and rejected by false brothers and imprisoned and go hungry, naked and sleepless. Let me promise you this - if you preach the gospel Paul preached, not in an arrogant way there will be things coming against you and attacking you and THAT is what Paul is talking about. Some days you will feel like you are dying!

For me resurrection is not a doctrine anymore! It is a daily life necessity! All the intense attacks are absolutely worth it to preach this gospel! This gospel is worth it! Come on - let's give the Lord a shout in this place!

Rob Rufus - "The Flow of the Anointing"

from Dan Bowen's transcription post

The final session from: "Grace and Glory Conference - the Philippines" 2011.

Open your Bibles please to Acts chapter 19.

An apostle has a government over their life to set the church in order - to bring a grace government to liberate and work with pastors and to help pastors coming alongside them. To lay foundations for churches. The Bible says in Ephesians 2 that the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Christ Jesus as the chief cornerstone.

Jesus is a living Saviour, a living Lord - and the church is built on the foundation of a living Head but also on the foundation of living apostles and living prophets. It is not built on the foundation of apostles who lived and then died and prophets who lived long ago and then died. These living apostles and prophets need to get into churches and lay foundations of a living Christ and a foundation of what the church is in Christ and the foundation of grace.

This is the last session here and I was hoping to speak on the "Seven Ugly Faces of the Grace-Hating Spirit" - we will not have time to do that and I feel that is for another time. I want to talk about the transference of the anointing. I was in the faith group and Kenneth Hagin was the man that God used to bring me into encounter with the power of God in 1981. I want to talk about this because the anointing is the grace of God - the anointing carries grace and we want to speak about how the anointing is carried in your words. I want to talk about how the anointing is transferred through the laying on of hands and other ways.

When you leave here I believe God wants to spread the supernatural aroma and flavour and perfume of grace wherever you go. He wants us to see that the anointing can be transferred. The anointing is transferable, transmittable and tangible. The anointing of God is like supernatural electricity. The anointing of God is like heavenly materiality - it is real. You can feel the anointing. You can feel it on your hands and you can feel it on your face. You can feel it leaving your body and going into someone else's body.

I was in Holland just a few weeks ago and we taught on the transfer of the anointing. I said; "Any five people who are sick - I don't care how sick you are - I want to show you the transfer of the anointing and I will pray for you". So five people came out and within a minute or two three of them were completely healed. The fourth had to go for a checkup and a few weeks later we got the email saying they were healed. The fifth one I don't know about - but four were healed about them understanding how to receive the transfer of the anointing!

How many want to know how to give the anointing into people's lives after receiving it? We are all called to be competent ministers of the Spirit that gives life. When we walk in the gift of righteousness and speak about the gift of grace we should be able to back that up with the transfer of the ministry of the Spirit of life.

We should be able to give away the Spirit of life. Some years ago a man invited me to go to the United Kingdom and preach to a big outreach in London. The network was called "Pioneer Ministries" and they were doing an amazing work with people suffering with HIV/AIDS and they were ministering to them. So they knew many many precious homosexual folk - people who were lesbians and homosexuals. I want to tell you that God loves homosexuals and lesbians the way He loves adulterers and murderers and every unsaved person. Jesus has died for the whole world! Somehow Christians have put homosexuality in a different category and said their sin is worse. I don't know - everything is bad! Under the Law everyone falls short and everyone has missed the glory of God!

The church has not been successful in reaching homosexual people or gay people. In the Western world the church has not had a good result with the gay community. Much of the church has bashed the gays and marched with big "anti-gay" slogans. That doesn't represent Jesus! I really believe Jesus walks amongst the gay people and wants to love them into the freedom of the Kingdom! So I was going to minister to hundreds and hundreds of people who hated church - hated Christianity and didn't go to church and certainly didn't trust Christians and are in the gay community.

Now I had never preached to hundreds of gay people at once - so I went to the United Kingdom and went out to the forest to pray and wait on God. I began to pray and wait on God for 1 hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, 4 hours until I got the breakthrough in prayer. Now the breakthrough came at the Cross but I was praying the victory of the Cross into this community. While I was in the forest, I felt the breakthrough of God. I had a white T-shirt, white running shorts on and was so happy when the breakthrough came and knew the victory had been released and I was running and jumping in the forest and even rolled down the hill and rolled down into a big pile of cow dung and my T-shirt was covered in cow dung but I was so happy I kept running and knew tonight there would be blessing and liberty and people saved tonight!

I heard God say to me; "Son, the anointing of blessing is all over your white T-shirt which was now the colour of green cow dung. Tonight I don't want you to preach for more than 10 minutes - I just want you to go to the meeting and wave it over the crowd and I'll do the rest". So I said; "Jesus please don't ask me to do this! These are British people with stiff upper lips and won't appreciate this!". He said; "Okay Rob - don't worry but you will be preaching on your own". I said; "No Lord don't leave me on my own!". But you see - sometimes to do the miraculous we have to do the ridiculous. That is why grace liberates us to become bold and adventurous. We can step out in faith when we hear the voice of God. We do things people are too afraid to do but we do them because we are walking in the grace of God.

So that night I went to the meeting and there were 100s of people there. Someone was trying to lead them in worship but they were not interested. They were angry and mad and upset. I came out and began to speak and spoke for 10 minutes. Everything was so tight and unfriendly and hostile and terrible that I wanted to run out the meeting. I thought; "Lord I will just preach for a little longer to get their faith up". The Lord kept saying; "Son I am telling you - just wave the T-shirt over the crowd". I had the T-shirt in a plastic bag and hidden it under the pulpit and was dressed in a clean shirt and trousers. But nothing was happening - it was getting worse. So finally I said; "Ladies and gentlemen - I just want to say to you that I have been disobeying God for the last 20 minutes". As soon as I said I had been disobeying God all these unsaved people - I had their attention. I said; "The Lord told me to only speak for 10 minutes and then He told me to do .... this".

I was feeling embarrassed and nervous and felt no great faith. I pulled the T-shirt out which was green and yellow from cow dung. And I said; "The Lord told me to do ... this" and as I waved the T-shirt over the crowd the power of God was released across that room and hundreds of people fell from their chairs. Demons began to come out. People began to scream and repent. Then I said; "He told me to do THIS!" and then they went hysterical. When God told the disciples to feed the masses with fish, don't think Thomas was breaking the loaves in half and throwing them out. They were taking little crumbs! When they saw the bread and fish was not running out - then they got bolder. And I began to get bolder and bolder. Literally 100's of people - I have a video recording of this - 100's of these people without me asking them to do it, got up off the floor, fell on their knees at the front, taking their lovers rings off and throwing them onto the pulpit and repenting and calling out on God.

I was amazed! But I saw one man standing in a pin-striped suit standing by himself. Everyone was on the floor kneeling and weeping and repenting. I ran up to this very British man with the white T-shirt and went pow in his stomach! He fell and began to cry out and weep before God! I didn't realise that man worked at Buckingham Palace and was the legal advisor to the Royal Family. God got him! I wanted to give him my white T-shirt and ask him to take it and wave it over Prince Charles!

There is an anointing that flows out of grace that will radiate out of our lives and through our churches. We just have to learn how to release it and many Christians have to learn how to receive it. So let's have a look at Acts chapter 19. You remember Elisha had the double anointing of Elijah. When Elisha died in an open grave and his flesh rotted away until it was only bones left - when a dead person was dropped into his grave, the dead body touched the bones of Elisha and the dead person came to life. In the bones of Elisha there was still enough anointing resident or present in his bones enough to raise a dead person.

If the bones of a dead prophet can raise someone from the dead - how much more the anointing of Jesus Christ in the church of the living God moving in resurrection power in supernatural signs and wonders?!

Many people have misunderstood 1 Corinthians 12 and the gifts of the Spirit. They feel like some people have special gifts and other people do not have those gifts.

Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers have a mantle of Christ to equip God's people to do the works Jesus did and to come to the full stature and measure of Christ.

Ephesians 4 Ministries are not superior - they just have a mantle of Christ and their job is to serve and equip the church and become full in the operation of the works that Jesus did! Every believer has the Holy Spirit inside of them! I do not have any gifts of healing. Rob Rufus does not have one gift of healing, working of miracles, gift of tongues, speaking in tongues, prophecy - I don't have any of those gifts but I have the Person inside of me who has all nine gifts of the Spirit and whenever they need to be manifested, He will manifest them inside of me. You can do the works Jesus did and greater works because you are a son and daughter of God! Life gets exciting when you are living secure on a foundation of grace - you don't have to prove your sonship with miracles or turn stones into bread to prove you are a son. You don't have to jump off a building to prove you are a son. You don't have to do anything to prove you are a son! When you are secure in acceptance grace, there is an adventure to step out and go for it.

In Matthew chapter 10 Jesus said; "Go and preach the Kingdom - raise the dead, cast out devils, heal the sick and tell them that the Kingdom of heaven is near".

So how are we going to raise the dead if we don't pray for some dead people?

Lord give me the power to raise the dead! He already has! You have to give it a go - maybe you will pray for 10 people and they don't come alive but maybe the 11th will and then a whole village will hear about the power of Jesus Christ! Sometimes you have to do the ridiculous in order to see the miraculous. How many blind people have you prayed for? How many deaf people have you prayed for? We have got to step out and just go for it! Acts chapter 19:11;

"And God did extraordinary miracles through Paul so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that touched him were taken to the sick and the illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them".

Handkerchiefs and aprons became like supercharged batteries with the anointing and carried miles to a distant city and placed on the sick and they were so full of the anointing that they would drive out demons and heal the sick. This is a New Testament practice - driving out demons and healing the sick with hankies or the laying on of hands. I want you to look at Mark chapter 5 - the famous Scripture. The doctrine of the laying on of hands (and we are not talking about Hebrews 6 - that's another story and we can't go there) but there is a New Testament ministry of the laying on of hands. Now in religious circles it is empty hands on empty heads.

If you don't give something away through the laying on of hands it is just a ceremony. It is just an empty ceremony.

When we lay hands on people there is meant to be the currents of heavenly electricity that supernaturally comes out of our hands and flows into someone or flows into a handkerchief or an apron and into someone's body and they receive it.

I want to encourage you to listen to how to receive and how to give the anointing. When Peter was walking past the Gate Beautiful and a man begged him for money he said "Silver and gold we don't have right now" but in the next chapter they will be throwing piles of money at our feet - but right now we don't have silver and gold but such as we have we give to you. "In the Name of Jesus Christ rise up and walk" and the man stood up and went leaping and praising God. Peter said; "Look at us - such as we have - we give you!". You have got to know that you are loaded with heavenly power, you have got to know that such as I have - I give to you! So you will hear about how you are forgiven and one with Christ!

You have got to let go, you have got to give in and give the power out to the world around you! "Such as I have - I give to you" - that is what Peter and John said. So we are going to release that anointing - there is going to be an anointing release as we end this conference. There is going to be an anointing that will go out and be released into people's lives here and activate people. Let's read Mark chapter 5:21;

"When Jesus had crossed over to the other side of the lake, a large crowd gathered around Him while He was by the lake. Then one of the synagogue rulers came there seeing Jesus, he fell at His feet pleading earnestly with Him; "My little daughter is dying - please come and put your hands on her so that she will be healed and live". So Jesus went with him. A large crowd followed and pressed around and a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for 12 years. She had been under the care of many doctors and had spent all she had. Instead of getting better she grew worse. When she heard about Jesus she came and touched His cloak. She thought; "If I can just touch His clothes I will be healed". Immediately her bleeding stopped and she felt in her body that she was freed from her suffering.

At once Jesus realised that power had gone out from Him, He turned around to the crowd and asked; "Who touched my clothes?". "You see the people crowding around you - and yet You can ask 'Who touched Me?'" His disciples asked. But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. The woman came and fell at His feet trembling with fear and told Him the whole truth. He said to her; "Daughter your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering". Now this is an amazing story here because Jesus did not walk through the crowds and say; "The Father has given Me a revelation in the crowd here somewhere there is a woman who has an issue of blood here and it is your lucky day - your name has come up in the computer of heaven and God is just in the mood to heal you today - this is your lucky day - where are you lady?" and then gave her healing.

No! That's how many people think of healing - of some kind of sovereign mysterious thing that God does when He heals you. He gets in a good mood when He heals you and we don't know why He doesn't heal anyone else! Today the reporters would have said - you see, it's not God's will to heal everybody! But Jesus healed one man and everyone else could have jumped up and said; "Hey - me too!" and He would healed everyone! Because over and over again it said - "He healed them all". Jesus healed all who came to Him - and He is the perfect will of God. He didn't pray for this woman - He didn't give her healing! He didn't lay His hands on her - it was illegal for her to be in a public place and she could have been stoned by Jairus the Temple ruler if they had known she had an issue of blood. But she had heard about Jesus and she heard that Jesus was healing everyone and she heard that power was going out of Him and healing them all. So she sneaked up behind Him and touched Him and her faith made a demand on the anointing.

Her faith pulled the power out of Jesus and went into her and she felt the power come into her and knew she was healed. What she thought was that she could sneak away and no one would know. What she didn't realise was that the anointing is so like electricity and you can know and feel - she didn't realise that Jesus would feel it leaving Him and said "Who touched Me?". Everyone was around Jesus - they were all touching Him and all touched Him! They were all curious and hoping to get healed! They all were curious for some kind of experience yet no power flowed to them but one woman touched Him and pulled the power out of Him and she was healed. What does this mean? You can have hands laid on you hoping you will be blessed - this woman was not hoping or curious - she knew if she touched Him she would be healed - she knew if she touched Him her faith would make a demand and that her faith could pull the anointing out of Jesus. You have people come and think you are the guru and they come and stand passive in the prayer lines and are closed and think you can do it.

Jesus wants to heal all and at the Cross has healed all on the planet. But when He went to His home town - He could there do no mighty works. Why? Because they didn't pull the power of God out of Him but this woman did! She pulled it with her faith! She wasn't pleading or praying - she didn't even ask for healing! She sneaked up behind Him and with her faith pulled the healing out of Him. 12 years of bleeding was finished! It amazes me that hundreds were touching Jesus and they didn't get the same result.

This is what I believe - if we as a Church begin to learn how the anointing flows and if we learn how to give the anointing and start seeing the increase in grace anointing then we more and more will see people hearing about and know that the grace message is ministers of the Spirit releasing the ministry of life through the power of the Holy Spirit. This is how the disciples in Luke 17 understood it - "Lord, teach us how to have faith - Lord give us great faith". Jesus said; "If you have faith like a mustard seed then you will speak to mulberry trees and they will be pulled up by the roots and thrown away". A mustard seed is a small little seed and Jesus was using farmer's language.

You don't need a quantity of faith - you need quality of faith.

Today I believe Jesus would say if you have faith as small as a little fuse, a little electric fuse - then you can release resurrection power and receive resurrection power when hands are laid on you.

An electric fuse is a small little thing and the metal of the fuse is chosen because it has low resistance to electricity. Electricity will not flow through lead or through wood. There are certain metals and substances that do not conduct electricity. Unbelief does not conduct the anointing or receive the anointing. Copper is a good conductor so many electric fuses are made with copper so when you switch your light on at home and the power comes from a nuclear power station or a hydro-electric station - it comes down the power lines and the power lines are the Word of God. It gets to your home, comes through the electric fuse and then lights up your house and your fridge and television. If suddenly that electric fuse has got too much resistance to the electric fuse then the fuse will short circuit and your house will be plunged into darkness and your television won't work and your fridge will die.

It would be a foolish thing to drive to the power station and say; "Hey why have you closed down? The power isn't flowing anymore!". No! The first thing you do is go and look at your electric fuse to see if it's been broken. And then you make sure that you put a new one in that has low resistance to the electrical currents of God. I believe we all have the faith of God but that we are not all operating in the faith that God has given us. There is little faith, great faith, strong faith and weak faith the Bible speaks about. I believe that as you learn to have a fuse that has no resistance to the anointing then as soon as the anointing comes to you - you just surrender. You don't resist it - you just receive it.

If you have got high resistance because you are afraid of the Presence of God or the power of God and resist and push away then your electric fuse will break down and you will short circuit the flow of God's power.

The more people that have low resistance and receive the anointing ... you see;

The anointing is Spirit-life and the power of God. You cannot understand the anointing with your head. You cannot receive the anointing with your brain. You have got to receive the anointing with your heart.

When I lay hands on someone I can tell immediately if they are in their head or in their spirit. If they are in their head, they are all analytical, all tense and all trying with their head. If someone is pulling the anointing (like this lady) from their head - then as you lay your hands on them - BOOM! They suck it out of you and the miracle happens so easily! Because their electric fuse has no resistance to the anointing. Then when they lay hands on people they just release the awesome power of God by the spirit of faith and words of faith.

I want to close now by reading another passage. I want to show you that once someone breaks through with faith - once a local church breaks through with faith or a community of churches break through then you will see that the reputation spreads and spreads. This woman was the only one who got her healing - though hundreds were touching Jesus, they got nothing from Him! But one woman got her healing because she touched Him with faith. Once people see an example - they begin to realise; "Boy I need to touch Him with faith - not hope or curiosity or desperation but a low resistance and receive that anointing and see miracles leap to a high level". So let's go to the next chapter - Mark chapter 6.

This is one chapter where a whole crowd got nothing and one woman did. Look at the difference following this woman's example. Mark 6:53; "When they had crossed over, they anchored there - as soon as they got out the boat people recognised Jesus". People recognised Jesus. People recognise your church - the priesthood of all believers in your church and it is then known as a community that is known how to release the anointing into people's lives. "They ran throughout the whole region and carried the sick on mats to wherever they heard He was. Wherever He went into villages and towns, they placed the sick in the marketplaces and begged Him to let Him touch even the edge of His cloak and ALL who touched Him were healed".

What is the difference here? Before hundreds touched Him and they didn't get healed. One touched Him and got healed and now they release power is coming out of this Man - all we have to do is touch Him with faith. Everyone who touches Him - all were healed. God wants churches to get to that reputation where if you can go into that atmosphere in worship - there is a release of the anointing of God, where hands are laid on you - it is not symbolism or screaming and shouting and nothing happens - there is a release of heaven's voltage, a release of the currents of God. The power station in heaven is more powerful than a nuclear power station - the Cross has set the power station forever on and the power lines is the Word of God. The power has been flowing ever since Jesus said "It is finished" - ever since He said that and redeemed us from sickness and disease - ever since the Day of Pentecost, the power has never had to increase or be switched on. It's always on and always flowing! Every second heaven's power station will never break down - full voltage of heaven's life and power!

The Word of God will never fail - Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! The only difference is - you can have the nuclear power station and the power coming to your house but if your resistance is too high then you will short circuit and lose the power. Then you can say; "The power station has passed away, the power station is no longer doing miracles".

God is still doing miracles today - the power station is as flowing today as it was 2000 years ago when Paul's handkerchiefs and aprons were supercharged. The power is as strong and available as when Jesus ministered and when the apostles ministered.

The power has not decreased and there is no problem with the power line - the problem is with the faith fuse in the church because of lack of understanding! You cannot stand there passively and receive something - you have got to reach in and seize. You don't even have to ask Jesus! She just crept up behind Jesus, grabbed His garment and pulled the power out of Him.

Jesus can I have permission to get prosperity or a good wife or be blessed or have a good job? You don't need permission! Everything is yes in Christ Jesus! He has given it to you - you just need to reach in and take it because it's yours already! Sometimes you lay hands on people and they are in this grey matter called the brain trying to figure the anointing out - I can't get this into them.

When they don't receive it by impartation then you have to resort to the authority command. I have had people healed who didn't pull the anointing out of me, I have had to speak to the cancer and command it to go - it was the authority command that brought the anointing not their faith.

You can get people healed if they are in unbelief, but if people don't get enough faith. If someone has got their car in park - you can't push it forward. But even if it's in neutral you can push it forward. Even if they don't have great faith, they can receive the anointing from you. I want us to stand please and let's demonstrate the release of the anointing and go out of this conference full of the revelation of grace and righteousness. Full of the revelation we have received fullness in Christ. Let's go out of this place to give it away and release the anointing.

We - the church - want to become the garment of Jesus that the world is always trying to touch to get the anointing!

My job is not to do the ministry but release others to do the ministry. Ephesians 4 Ministries are to train you to do the ministry of Jesus otherwise the pastor goes on a big ego trip because he burns out. We had a lady come into our church 2 years ago and she was wheeled in a wheelchair and I didn't know she had been in the chair for about 20 years. I thought; "I wonder if I will have a chance to get her out the wheelchair". When I had finished preaching I started walking towards the back of the hall and saw this lady out of this chair and walking! And I saw 2 members of our church smiling because they had prayed for her and seen her come out of the wheelchair. Almost everyone in our church pray for the sick!

The Phillipines can be saved by a people living at rest in the grace of God and the acceptance - from that place of rest they can release the anointing! If you pray for someone and they are not healed yet die - don't blame yourself for killing them. They were on the way to the grave anyway! Without being hard on them you have got to say "next"! I prayed for 5 people in 1981 who were blind and saw 2 healed. I have had to pray for many people with cancer and seen many of them not healed. Now we see many healed. We have gone on TV in Australia because we saw a lady in a wheelchair with doctors saying she will never walk again. She was wheeled into our church totally paralysed. I said; "In the Name of Jesus Christ come out of her". A man's voice came out of her saying; "I'm not coming out". I laughed and said; "You are coming out - I'm from Africa and we see devils out". They are all coming out because of the Name of Jesus.

The primary ministry of an apostle is government of grace and laying foundations and the primary sign of an apostle is signs, wonders and miracles. Apostles equip the church for miracles as do evangelists!

Are all apostles? No not all are. Not all are prophets or evangelists. Their job is to equip the body of Christ but every priest can move in signs and wonders and miracles.

Posted by Dan Bowen at Saturday, June 25, 2011

Stretched but not Snapping and Can we walk without a Ceiling?

Stretched but not snapping
by Chris Welch,Facebook note on Thursday, 03 February 2011 at 16:13.

Psalm 45:16In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth. NASV
Psalm 45:16Instead of thy fathers are thy sons, Thou dost appoint them for princes in all the earth. Youngs Literal Translation

Rob Rufus- Glory and Grace Conference- transcribed by Dan Bowen

I love the varieties of God and the diversities of God. It is amazing how the religious spirit would love us to just be prophetic people or just teaching people or just apostolic people or just evangelistic people or just one-style or one-way of worshiping people. It is amazing how quickly we fall into personal preferences and we do not like it when our particular preference is manifested. I really believe that all of us are in the situation where none of us are completely comfortable with every style and expression and manifestation of ministry in the kingdom.



It is a very healthy thing to admit you are not comfortable because all of us are being stretched in these days - not to snap - but to understand the multi-faceted rainbow of God's wisdom that is to be expressed to the powers and authorities through the church.



I believe those powers and authorities are not evil ones but they are the angelic hosts glorifying God in what the church is doing on the earth. I really believe God wants us to break out and to different expressions. There is an older generation like me (I hate to admit that!) but we are older and we have particular histories and we like that and make no apology for our history.



I come out of four major moves of God on our planet in my lifetime. Four major moves - and I have learned so much from those four major moves - the good things and the bad things. I hold it all dear and treasure them because there is eternal revelation in those moves of God.



Then there is a younger generation coming through that I am literally wide-eyed with wonder and learning from them almost daily - but weekly and they have whole new insights and have come from a completely different angle than I have come from and I am learning.



It is not accommodating and tolerating them - but we literally have to find grace to celebrate these different expressions otherwise the church becomes stereotyped and we become little clones or puppets of our religious culture and sub-culture and the conditioning of our history. Every day we need to find fresh faith for new discoveries.



I believe exactly what God is calling us to a uniqueness and each of us to really be ourselves and utterly original. Original, unique realities are inside each of us! Many of us don't realise how much uniqueness is in us!



We often take the definition of who we are from other people's perspectives. We let other people define us! ...................................whole transcript here

http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/2011/02/rob-rufus-at-glory-and-grace-conference.html

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Can we walk without a ceiling?
by Chris Welch,Facebook note on Thursday, 03 February 2011 at 15:04. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rcFGsvKQ8



This video contains a lot of the tenets I walk by. It explains my attitude to the local church and the world church.It ends by giving a brief overview of what the Lord Jesus Christ shared with me in one of those rare visitations we seem to have in our lifetime. For me this took place in public on a small aircraft flying back from France for Dales Bible Week. The two weeks previous to this I was living in another dimension . The point of mentioning all this, is not for you to say either ooooh Chris, trying to be special again....or the converse....I could never experience those things. No, I am saying an unequivocal You SHALL experience those things and more! If you hang around God's purposes.

Waiting on God Opens Life in another dimension.

Little realised by most folk, the 30 years Jesus experienced with little other than his birth and some twelve year old experiences reported.....

were Jesus time of waiting on God. Being established in His God identity. They weren't wasted years. They would have been active years. But they were secret years. Francois Du Toit has described Qavah...(south Africans spell it differently)waiting on God, as strands of a rope being intertwined. It's us being hid in God.

Qavah- a description

The moment you start hanging your hat on the unseen God realm, in our totally sense based, and driven life in the world system, you are going to cause ructions. Those ructions and the personal effects on your life will be devastating. But here's the good news. The messes you get yourself into cause such an internal cry, that you literally start to yank more of heaven from the internal Now to be manifested in your being. God delivers. He delivers internally first, then externally. Time and time again, you will suddenly get this internal assurance first....long before your senses catch up....that everything is OK. God is in the frame. He comes as a Peace which completely overtakes/passes/is over and above your understanding. Then little by little the natural world puts itself together round you, like a meek doggy, falling perhaps grudgingly into line.

The problem with you now being OK again, is that this sets up a fresh set of conundrums for those sense based individuals round them. Norman Grubb calls this living as a burning bush, that never gets burnt up. Rich and Linda Novek should be long burnt up by now....but here they are still writing on Facebook.

So the people around are cornered. They either submit to God and believe that something more is happening, or they deliberately pretend what just happened couldn't have, and enter into denial. Once in denial, your cheery face which keeps reappearing makes them even more angry....because now they are in the frame too....they have declared you in the wrong, and by your continued cheery existence you are proving them "wronger still".



Now each mess you live through, until those around you either change, or are taken away....

Remember the verses "one shall be taken , the other left?" This is not a one time end time event....this is the continuous cycle of the Christian life!!!!!....so each mess you live through....only to set up another series of messes,

because you still refuse to tow the secular world's line....

each mess represents another bit of entwining, tucking yourself in God.

A person who has lived decades like this, nolonger has a clue about which bit is Him and which bit is the Lord. It becomes increasingly difficult to in any way describe your biography to anyone, save by the gift of utterance in the Holy Spirit. If you try, your words fall like treacle all down your face and right to the floor!!!

Qavah is a Life to be lived...not a prayer closet


Qavah begins by hearing by faith

You hear in your spirit what the Living Christ is telling you to do. As you take faith steps to obey, you are launched onto this life of Qavah. It makes no sense to most around you....even Christians. Only later, as you are gifted in the Spirit to share, and it becomes real food to others, does it start making sense to anyone.....including yourself.

If you think about it....gym membership makes no sense either. Running on running machines and getting nowhere. Lifting weights for no purpose. Going to all that effort for no visible fruit at the end of a session is all about training your body for some other end than immediate purpose. But a few months down the line, you're looking trimmer, with firmer muscles.



The wilderness years for the Israeliites were meaningless for anyone apart from them. Not one thing remains from this 40 year period. Archaologists cannot find anything. Some conclude it never happened. But this period was all about training a people in the Word of faith. It was a Qavah period for a whole people!

I actually believe these last 40 years have been a Qavah period for the Church. And while all the existing leaders hunker down for the long term, I really believe a lot of what exists now is purely gym membership. So leave the leaders and their gyms to get on with it.....they love to be top dog....well they can be top dog in their empty gyms,

Let the people of God awake to this new LAND-TAKING walk that God has got us on. Beginning first of all with "our seeing" in the things of every day life.



If you watch the above video, and in particular the aircraft vision , you will see there were 3 phases. The first phase was about checking through the systems.

The Holy Spirit has been doing a Name of God course. Revealing the Names of God in turn. Revealing Spirit principles in turn. Revealing the faith walk through the Word of Faith movement.

Now all of these individual revelations, YOU can make a little bread loaf out of....one of the 12 placed neatly and evanly round the Table of Shewbread in the Holy Place. You can make a GOD out of each of these. If you do the rest of the Body notices that you are walking with a strange lopsided gait!!!

These "systems checks"...which all the tribes were called to do in the last 40 years....were not for isolated enjoyment. They were manageable obedience tasks so that now as we approach the 3rd Level....the Holiest Place level....

everything can be shared out with all....for everyone's blessing and the empowering of the whole Body. This then makes 1 Corinthians 12 and reciving the foot if we are a hand, or an eye if we are an ear.....A WHOLE TON more important than it has ever been before. You see now......

WE ARE ABOUT TO FLY



Can we walk without a ceiling?

Back to the walking analogy.

Can we walk with no other ceiling save the Overshadowing Holy Spirit? Or will we like the Israelites continually crave a king!

Any last remaining worldly thinking in us DEMANDS a KING.....DEMANDS a PYRAMID.And then a new movement forms, which must of necessity die, for it was built around one portion of Manna....and manna only keeps for a day.

The QAVAH walk has no human ceiling. Has no pyramid. It is not comfortable.

But it is a walk of incredible power.



My little foretaste in France began with a faith journey when God said...yes you can go to France to study French during the holidays but I forbid you from going the official route of students....you must write to a lively church. So I did. And the reply was negative. That was November. It wasn't until halfway through the holidays the following August that out of the blue someone phoned who used to be in that church , but was now on the North Coast....He said "When can you come? Tomorrow? And so began probably the most incredible two weeks in my life , in which normal laws of human existence hardly seemed to apply at all. When I arrived, the very first breakfast, God used me to heal the mother of lifelong epilepsy while fitting in front of me.....and things just went on from there.



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Cathy Rheeder Excellent chris.thanx so much for sharing.francios taught me quwah 24yrs ago,its my only life.intimacy.
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Dan Bowen's excellent Blogpost of Rob Rufus message

The original is here

Monday, April 05, 2010
Imperfect Faith Can STILL Bring You Face to Face with Jesus - Part 2

Just before Easter I posted the first half of this sermon of Rob Rufus's - he preached it in November last year in Hong Kong. The fact is that we are indeed facing a war. And I am increasingly convinced that the war is NOT to give into lust or anger or other "sins". I am increasingly convinced that the war is to give into bitterness and disappointment against God - and ultimately to lose our faith in a loving and gracious and passionate God. The devil simply uses those temptations - because he knows that if we as Christians do fall in those areas, we will most likely think that God is angry or disappointed with us. And then his job is accomplished.

But if we can hold on resolutely to the finished glorious work of the Cross - that when God promises; "He is no longer holding our sins against us" - that He means it, then I suspect that the devil has lost probably his only weapon. Why are we as Christians so determined to believe that God is constantly angry or unhappy with us?

Here is Part 2 of the sermon;

"Quickly go to Romans chapter 3:3-4. “Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true and every man a liar”. What is so important today is that we need to see there is a difference between facts and truth.

So many people in the church are believers in theory. But the reality is that the administration of their life is closer to a practical atheist. There is very little in these Christians lives that you have to say they are solving problems through faith. They are solving their problems by “what is” and are dealing with “what is” by “what is”. So they are multiplying their problems.

This creates so much controversy and pain and I wanted to deal with this so sensitively and I just don’t have the time. Let me say I am dealing with this from a sensitive heart.

The fact is that you may have sickness in your body. The truth is that by His stripes - you WERE healed. The fact is you may be in financial debt - the truth is that at the Cross He has ALREADY redeemed you from the curse of poverty that the prosperity of Abraham may come upon you. The fact is that you may have sinned and done something seriously wrong - you may have failed God - that is the fact. The truth is you are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

There is coming a defining and dividing dispensation in our time of the people of God who chose to be wrapped up in the facts or be wrapped up in the truth. If you focus on the facts then you will chose the things that are to nullify the things that are. But if you focus on the truth then you will chose the things that are not to nullify the things that are. You will seek the covering presence of the cherubims and the glory to get into the Presence of the God who calls things that be not as though they were.


I want you to look in John chapter 8 very quickly. Any fact that does not line up with the truth of God’s Word is a fact waiting to be nullified by the things that are not. I want you to look quickly at John chapter 8. I want to show you that Jesus constantly spoke about the two worlds - the superior world of heaven and the world that is from below that is temporarily corrupted by satanic deception. Satan has a system of politics, economics and education of doing things and God has a heavenly system of doing things and He says - let Your kingdom come, let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. When we begin to get into the world’s system, we begin to try to deal with problems of what is - by dealing with what is.

Jesus says here - in John chapter 8 and verse 23; “I am from above, I am not of this world”. If you go to verse 28, Jesus said; “I am the One I claim to be … but speak what the Father has taught Me … He has not left Me alone”. That is the key theme of what I want to talk about in the coming weeks. He has not left me alone. “The truth will set you free”. What will the truth set you free from? It will set you free from the facts. Are you wrapped up in the truth of God’s Word or are you wrapped up in the facts? Now we are not to deny the facts - we have to face the facts and recognise that they are there. But we are then to look on the things that are unseen and get wrapped up in the truth.

It is not a waste of time to be lying on the floor soaking under the manifest glory of God - it is not a waste of time to go into the secret place and let God love you and manifest His glory over you and saturate you so every cell in your body is vibrating with eternal life, divine virtue and divine quickening of your mortal body so that God can then do the things that are impossible to do.

I wonder has God really called us to have faith for miracles? Or has He called us to have faith to surrender our whole life to come under His hovering Presence? Because when you want to have faith for miracles, it puts all the pressure on you to have faith. If all you are saying is; “God I know I can have faith for Your manifest Presence” - then the God who does miracles does the miracle.

I can’t do the miracle and neither can you. What do we need to have faith for? His hovering Presence. God has to come out of the invisible and manifest tangibly. No miracle can happen unless the Presence of God manifests tangibly in reality so that your very physical body can feel His Presence. Go to Jeremiah 32. Jeremiah 32 is God’s announcement of the superiority of the New Covenant. Most of you have heard me read this and quote it but I want to read it again. Verse 40. We no longer earn or deserve the blessing, Jesus Christ earned the blessings on our behalf and redeemed us from the curse of the law that the blessings may come on our lives through faith and faith alone. So Jeremiah 32:40 says; “I will never stop doing good to them”. How long is never? Does never ever run out? “I will rejoice …”. The Hebrew word means; “To turn and twist with deep emotions of ecstasy and joy in doing us good”. V41 again.

Let me put these two verses together - then the will of God is to NEVER stop doing you good! 24/7 every second He wants to do you good! How does He do us good? With rejoicing! So if He never wants to stop doing you good then it means that He never wants to stop dancing with deep emotions and twists and turns and ecstasy in doing you good. The greatest fun God gets - is doing you good!

Why do so few Christians feel a consciousness that the Creator is not remote and a distant deity but He is a very engaged Being that is literally dancing over me and you with ecstasy and deep feelings of wanting to do us good and never will stop doing us good? How come that is not reflected in the life of the church?




I think it was when Jesus said - your traditions have nullified the Word of God. I don’t think people believe this. I don’t think people have the faith to surrender to the covering Presence of the God that calls the things that be not as though they were. I think people have got caught up in rituals and religion and ceremonies. Religious principles and protocol - but have we got caught up in revelation and eternal intuition and insight into this God dancing over you all the time? We have been told that when God manifests over us it is a sovereign initiative and there is nothing you can do about it and He will just come. Now the gifts of the Spirit operate as the Spirit wills but I am not talking about the gifts here today. Jeremiah 32 is not God talking about the gifts - it is God talking about Himself dancing over you all the time!

Some of you have heard my account of when I went to Brighton two years ago and I was invited to be the main speaker at a conference for about 5000 leaders. The weekend before the conference Terry Virgo invited me to come to the church he is based at that he has planted - it is quite a large church - and minister Sunday morning and Sunday night. So I preached Sunday morning and came back Sunday night and it was packed out. People had come from all over and they had brought lots of sick people and I preached again in the evening but realised I had to pace myself because I had to preach seven times in the week to thousands of people. At the end of the evening service I thought I had to get out of the door and then saw this long queue lining up and the first one had crippled hips and I just knew that it was not going to happen. I couldn’t do it. Someone said “Will you come over?” and as I am walking over I suddenly felt over my physical body, my head and everywhere the dancing God. He was wanting to rejoice over doing me good and anyone that got into my radius.

Any time you watch a DVD of an evangelist or a preacher and see someone bringing them out of the wheelchair with boldness and no lack of confidence - anytime you see that, don’t think that is their natural temperament. They are under something. I am tired of ministering to broken lives if I am not under something. It is just flesh and religion. “Come out in Jesus Name!”. “I am not coming out”.

As I got closer I could just feel the intensifying dancing of a God who just wanted to do me good and anyone around me - this God of perfect love. I walked up to the first lady and I said; “Lady what do you need?”. That’s all I did. I didn’t put my hands on her or pray and I felt this all around me. She started to describe her symptoms and about 30 seconds into her describing the symptoms (I had said nothing -
just fixed my eyes on her) she started shaking. I hadn’t prayed for her, hadn’t said “In the Name of Jesus” or put my hands on her and she started shaking and vibrating and then she falls over! I just was standing there listening to the symptoms. A minute or two later she got up and her hips were totally straight. I said “Next!”. 20 people - about 8 out of 10 - the exact same thing happened. I never prayed for them - it was effortless! I didn’t have to speak! While giving me their symptoms they were healed!


I think that is closer to the Jesus ministry than what I see. Mark chapter 1 He walked into the temple and a demonised man started screaming. “Aaagh why have You come before our time?”. He hadn’t preached yet! Shut up - and come out. They marvelled at His authority.

In Eastbourne in southern England quite recently I went to speak at a conference there with Glenda and Millie was there. On the last night I was tired. The pastor came and in the large hall there was a bunch of people there who had the worst crippling conditions I had seen. I know if you are trying to get cripples healed and that thing is not over you - it is shocking. You are trying to pretend you know what you are doing but you don’t have a hope of getting them healed! You can go through the religious formulas and pretend something has happened but everyone with the know-how knows that nothing is happening. It is almost disgusting and discrediting the real ministry of Jesus!


So I walk over there and as I get closer the dancing God comes over me. Suddenly I am not Clarke Kent - I am now Superman. But it is not me! As I am walking it is getting stronger and stronger and I see this woman who is crippled and as I get closer and closer the demons start screaming; “Aaagh leave us! Leave us!”. Literally! And they are out. They are gone. She topples over and gets up healed. Everyone I step towards are healed. Many of you saw the DVD I brought back of dozens of people. One lady was so crippled she couldn’t pick up her child - and her husband had to leave his career to look after her children full time. She went down under the power and the next morning she came dancing into church.

How many of you think this is the love of God - how many of you think it is shocking and disgusting that we do not see more of these things?


Because of the traditions of men! Let me tell you honestly and vulnerably - I have been doing this for 30 years. I want to tell you what I have just described today has only happened to me maybe about 100 times. I have daily anointing! I am not talking about anointing here or the gifts of the Spirit but God coming. Actually He is not coming - He is always there. But why isn’t He always manifested? He said I will never stop doing you good - I will rejoice and dwell to do you good! If I can come under the dancing God all the time then maybe you and me can start approximating the promise of John 14:12; “Anyone who believes in Me .. And even greater works”. Acts 10:38 said that God anointed Jesus with power and He went about doing good and healing ALL. If Jesus could go about any time of day, any second if anyone touched Him in the crowd, anyone that asked for healing, He could give healing on the spot!

I suspect that Jesus walked under the glory Presence of the Father all the time! The religious world has told me that any time He comes and does that it is just a sovereign mood of God. I think you and I have got something to do. I am now convinced that the will of the Father by the witness of the Spirit in my heart - the inheritance of every person that says Jesus is my Lord are meant to walk for most of our time under the manifest Presence.

I have said before that you wouldn’t be able to get to sleep it is so powerful. If you have never experienced this I wish I could put it on you today because you can never describe it - you don’t know what it is like to walk up to crippled people without that and know the fear that comes over you. The terror of knowing you are going to disappoint them. You have no idea what that is like if you havent done it. Neither do you have any idea what it is like when you are moving towards them and He comes over you - there is NO fear just utter, reckless boldness! You just know that nothing can get in the way, just an invincible sense of God over you.


People have watched people with that power over them and when they don’t have that power have tried to copy as a formula and have tried to pull people out of wheelchairs and then they just fall on the ground. When you are under that power you do things that you would never do. You are not copying. You are not mimicking someone else under the power - just because God is on you! Maybe it will lift slightly in intensity every now and again so you can relax a bit but I believe it should be there on call so quick! Imagine how your mortal body would be renewed in your youth with resurrection life. The grey hair turned dark again! Cellular regeneration! Rob how do you live in that all the time? You want to know? There are people who lecture in Harvard on how to run a business who have never run a business. You have theology professors teaching on the gifts of the Spirit in seminaries who have never moved in the gifts of the Spirit.


You cannot give away what you don’t have.


I don’t want people giving me information on the Kingdom - I am sick and tired of Bible information. I know the Bible pretty much well from back to front - but my biggest need right now is to learn from someone who has got the goods. It is a sign of hunger that you say you want to know - but to tell you the truth, I don’t really know. I have never met a person who does know. Except One. This is what I suspect He is whispering to me (and I am just giving you my suspicion). Two words; “Total surrender to the Holy Spirit”. Not less of me and more of you. NONE of me and ALL of you! Every part of my life, everything that I am - whatever you want me to do and give up - everything I surrender. I want to be branded by your jealous love and possessed by your jealous love. Rob how do you surrender?


How do you come to that place of surrender? I don’t know but this is what I suspect - you have to become so disillusioned with your failures to get the sick healed and so horrified at the lack of knowledge of the revelation of God chosing the things that be not to nullify the things that are and so horrified with your failure. You have to come to the end of your reputation in the eyes of men and so utterly embarrassed. I think you have to go through pain and try to get the sick healed and misunderstood and accused by those who didn’t get healed that it was your fault and you are a failure. And live with the rejection and misunderstanding. You have to live with the agony and lay on your face at night and say I am a failure in so many areas of supernatural ministry.


Dear Jesus all I have left is my love for You and if you can take that and take something that is not and nullify the things that are then I offer my body and soul and spirit as a living sacrifice that something I have only seen 100 times will become something that happens all the time. That the millions in Hong Kong do not need to be deprived of a church that has fully surrendered. I know not everyone wants to surrender like that. The vast majority of Christians are more caught up in the things that are and more caught up in their careers.

I can't describe to people the pain and rejection I have walked through in the last few months - the rejection involving thousands of people, people we have known for 25 years, the lies and cold shoulders. That could make you paranoid and reactionary and bitter or it can backfire on the devil and precipitate in you a face on the ground, a laid down lover that surrenders all. I live with eternity with nothing and surrender. We have to be emptied of every fleshly delusional arrogance and pride and all controversy against God and come to trust Him. When you sin and make mistakes and lose your temper, you look to God who chooses the things that are not to nullify the things that are. His grace to me is abounding - He will never reject me or disapprove of me - He is for me! What can be against me? He so sees you as precious that He doesn’t want you to have any idols or distractions - He wants you because you are such a jewel and precious. He wants you completely! And we don’t!


We think we have surrendered all but we have had hostility and defences and complaints and pride and self-promotion against Him! But pain takes that away. It either makes you bitter or makes you better. Every time Satan comes, he comes to make you bitter. If you chose to use the things that are to make the things that are then you are going to get bitter. But if you get revelation to use the things that are not and get into the Presence of the Living God who uses the things that be not as though they are then this good God will manifest His dancing over you. And when you walk through a place that place will be benefited because you were there. People in your radius will feel the unseen world touching you.

Close your eyes - He is here now.


Kathryn Kuhlman used to say “God isn’t looking for golden vessels or silver vessels - but yielded vessels”.