Showing posts with label Sacramental Christianity. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Sacramental Christianity. Show all posts

Monday, 29 December 2025

Catholics and Sacraments

 




Sacrament isn't really used in born again churches. You have Jesus or you dont have Jesus.
If you have Jesus or feel convicted on your insides to have Jesus, Romans 10 says we believe upon the message of Jesus Cross victory over death and hell and the sin spirit , we confess this and then , we are water baptised to recognise our own spirit main being funeral in Jesus death .
In whatever way for each life , we know on our insides we have eternal life . There may be first church deliverances from spirits. But we ask for the baptism in the Spirit in full faith from the Word that this is normal Christianity . Repent be baptised and be baptised in the Spirit .
Normal gatherings of Christians are run by the Holy Spirit described in 1 Corinthians 12.

In reality we are still catching up with Jesus first Church . Luther put the flag in the ground again .
Now Moses job was to create an earthly copy of the heavenly sanctuary. Why would this be problematic?
1. Earthly things are not heavenly things .
The entrance was a brazen altar of judgment but in reality its a warm coming home in Christ's work back into connection with the Father . Nevertheless it really is judgment for our Adamic self in a permanent hook up with a snake .
So looking ahead to Christ Jews offered animal sacrifice. This blueprint was caught by Abel in Genesis or you could even say God kinda showed it to us all on day 1 of Genesis 3, by coming up with animal skins . Something had to die in our stead.
2. The Cross of Christ hadn't happened yet .

The actual Cross weekend went by in a flash.
Its the most powerful operation in history. New Creation , like Eve out of Adam ,literally comes out of Jesus side in the form of His Bride .

Romans 8 and actually the last verses of psalm 85 make the exclusive tie up between the earth ONLY BEING SET FREE IN NEWNESS OF LIFE TO HHE EXTENT THE BRIDE SEES AND LEARNS HER INHERITANCE IN THE SAINTS.

I have been writing how long we were held back by the devil's ruse of taking the Table of Shewbread which in the Spirit now is the Communion of saints all feasting deeply into our born again souls of the Body and Blood of Jesus, and wheeling it out onto the street, which is illegal in heavenly terms, and the devil made it into a means of salvation. The flesh, or accurately , flesh pulled by our snake mystery condition has no share in Christ . So we are born again first . The holy place where the Communion table...not just humanly...but in the heavenlies ...cannot be accessed by the flesh .

Catholics and any denomination can wheel out the heavenly table of shewbread ....but unless partakers are born again the transformation of soul cannot be activated from out of a born again spirit . Im sure the grace of the Lord bleeds over past some protocols like the thief on the Cross , but I'm explaining heavenly rooms which are real.

John 3 and John 4 are real .
Somebody today asked what born again was ?
I was 12 years in a Methodist church , left , became atheist, then at 13 heard it at last explained by Billy Graham .

This is the puzzling factor of history . It's now been 2000 years since Jesus first church and there isn't one church like it on earth yet .
Catholics and most Protestants haven't a clue abd have translated the word church as rabbi pyramid tithe coerced synagogue .

The two or three big features of Acts 2 onwards , leaving the miracles as read , because we now have them today .

Acts is about a spontaneity of life in Christ that we knew in the Jesus Move .
Acts started as one Church over one City or City on a Hill as Jesus described it in the Spirit
Acts first church had 12 thirdlevellers or father stage of growth people co running it throughout the City .

NOW INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD.....
whatever you think of the 70s London Leaders all ministering together on the big London platforms

INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD .....
whatever you think of Fort Lauderdale ministries ministering together in the 1970s light we had then

It was a sign of something....
A king Saul pyramid version
An Ishmael version

Call it what you like ....but lets calling it an early bird version of mature church in every location on earth .

But read 1 Corinthians 12 :14 to 26 first .
Read Ezekiel 1, Ezekiel 10, Revelation 4 first .
Read Leviticus 23:40 FOUR WOODS FIRST
Read Surrounded by Idiots by thomas erikson to get some sort of idea from a secular book
THEN PROPHESY

Ezekiel 37:9-10 NASB1995
[9] Then He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they come to life.” ’ ” [10] So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they came to life and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

https://bible.com/bible/100/ezk.37.9-10.NASB1995

Sunday, 18 January 2009

Oswald Chambers and the Third level

Sometimes as you look through classics you are like a pig hunting for truffles which is a Norman Grubb phrase I used the other day with Dan. Who would have thought that Oswald Chambers would spell out the three phases of growth so plainly and so accurately in the chapter below? Here they are:
  1. By the Cross of Christ I am saved from sin,



  2. by the Cross of Christ I am sanctified;



  3. but I never am a sacramental disciple until I deliberately lay myself on the altar
    of the Cross, and give myself over emphatically and entirely
    to be actually what I am potentially in the sight of God,viz., a member of the Body of Christ.




In this last stage there are some points. a) it is deliberate. No one can do it for us.And we do it freely when we are ready. There comes a time when as it was said in Hitchhiker's Guide to Christianity...we arrive at Psalm 110 :3 Your (F)people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; (G)In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,





b)it is entire. Not bits here and there. We see the vision and it consumes us. We may not feel able to give our whole self....but even here we give ourselves freely to the One Spirit whose speciality is to prepare the offering. He can get us there. All we supply is a basic willingness to be made willing.





c)that's when we really become part of the Body of Christ. Our body becomes His Body...but really the truth is we, individually, begin to function in harmony with and simultaneously with all the other parts of His corporate Body on Earth and in heaven.





I said to Stuart Wentworth about my time in the second level...that we were in fact building on jelly. I had spent 10 entire years of my life sowing into what I thought was the Body of Christ. I had left University early for the privilege...effectively spitting in the face of human qualifications provided in those days without cost....to spend each and every day sharing my life with others full-time in the church. Only to realise that it was all only the second level. And that the Body of Christ really only begins properly to function in the 3rd Level. After what Jorge Pradas decribed as each individual's own "Identification with Christ". We enter one by one....but we go out the other side as a fully functioning corporate being.





So for this reason the Ecumenical Movement towards Unity is essentially one mad piece of delusion. Because corporate unity can only work once each and every individual has answered before God this issue: "Unite my heart to fear/respect/sanctify Your Name". You cannot make a unity out of loads and loads of schizophrenic individuals. But once a whole load of individuals know who they are in Christ...unity is a doddle. And once the Ecumenical brigade understand the hours and hours of wasted time in meetings they have spent, they will be completely pig sick. As Florida showed....you can have all these things in a moment , once you really want them!!!!





So before getting into the chapter entitled "Sacramental Christianity" can I fend off the irritation that Sacrament will cause by saying. 1.Sacrament is not in the Bible. But two of the main ones are real enough!! Vehicles of grace. Baptism in water and the Lord's Supper or Communion. There are also others. Laying on of hands. Giving people cloths and hankies. Even our church, when it rolls out a long cloth like a river or a canopy...so people can experience God's grace.





But all these are nothing compared to the real thing. Which is you and me, with Christ inside, moving around, doing His stuff. This is the meaning behind the Furniture in the Holy of Holies. The Lord's Supper in the Holy Place, with the Candle sticks....is really only the "practice run", not the real thing itself. The real thing is Christ in you as you.




2.What is the difference between a "sacrament" and something from the pit of hell...the delusion that we as independant beings can somehow buy a bit of grace? What is the difference between a Toronto Fire tunnel, and say the Austrian village Corpus Christi festival where the bones of hopefully genuine miracle-moving saints are wheeled round the neighbourhood in a cart...Elisha's bones-ish style? What is the difference between Morris Cerullo or Rheinhardt Bonnke anointing his partners with oil, and a Baptist Church mass-dunking its 13 year olds because they are of age....or the Catholic Church mass-massing their 8 years olds at 1 st Communion.What is the difference between Moses raising up the serpent in the wilderness, and the subsequent worship of the same object? What is the difference between Gideon's ephod, and his subsequent shame in creating a religion out of it?




The only difference as far as I can tell is one thing: The Now Word of the Lord. Doing things entirely by the revelation of the Holy Spirit. That is the only difference as far as I can tell. A fire tunnel could become just as deathly. Just give it time!!!





So the first sentence about "sacramental" here is:





  1. to the point.


  2. incredibly deep


  3. immediately addresses dead religion from the word "go".


Here it is then : "Sacramental Christianity" from "Conformed to His Image" by Oswald Chambers

THE word " sacramental" must be understood to mean
the real presence of Christ being conveyed through the
actual elements of the speech and natural life of a
Christian. " Everyone therefore who shall confess Me
before men," that is, confess with every part of me that
" Jesus Christ has come in the flesh "—come, not only
historically, but in my flesh. (This is a quotable quote Dan)
1. SACRAMENTAL SERVICE
But far be it from me to glory, save in the cross of our Lord
Jesus Christ, through whom the world hath been. crucified unto
me, and I unto the world. GALATIANS vi, 14, R.V. marg.
By the Cross of Christ I am saved from sin, by the
Cross of Christ I am sanctified; but I never am a sacra-
mental disciple until I deliberately lay myself on the altar
of the Cross, and give myself over emphatically and entirely
to be actually what I am potentially in the sight of God,
viz., a member of the Body of Christ. When I swing clear
of myself and my 'own consciousness and give myself over
to Jesus Christ, He can use me as a sacrament to nourish
other lives. Most of us are on the borders of consciousness,
consciously serving, consciously devoted to God; it is all
immature, it is not the life yet. Maturity is the life of a child
—a child is never consciously childlike—so abandoned to
God that the thought of being made broken bread and
poured-out wine no longer unseals the fountain of tears.

When you are consciously being used as broken bread and
poured-out wine you are interested in your own martyrdom,
it is consciously costing you something; when you are laid
on the altar of the Cross all consciousness of self is gone,
all consciousness of what you are doing for God, or of what
God is doing through you, is gone. It is no longer possible
to talk about " my experience of sanctification " ; you are
brought to the place where you understand what is meant
by our Lord's words," Ye shall be My witnesses." Wherever
a saint goes, everything he or she does becomes a sacrament
m God's hands, unconsciously to himself. You never find
a saint being consciously used by God, He uses some
casual thing you never thought about, which is the surest
evidence that you have got beyond the stage of conscious
sanctification, you are beyond all consciousness because
God is taking you up into His consciousness; you are His,
and life becomes the natural simple life of a child. To be
everlastingly on the look-out to do some work for God
means I want to evade sacramental service—" I want to
do what I want to do." Maintain the attitude of a child
towards God and He will do what He likes with you. If
God puts you on the shelf it is in order to season you. If
He is pleased to put you in limited circumstances so that
you cannot go out into the highways of service, then enter
into sacramental service. Once you enter that service, you
can enter no other.
2. SACRAMENTAL FELLOWSHIP
Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it
abideth alone, but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit
JOHN xii, 24.
If you are wondering whether you are going on with God
examine yourself in the light of these words. The more
spiritually real I become, the less am I of any account,
I become more and more of the nature of a grain of wheat ;
falling into the earth and dying in order that it may bring
forth fruit. " He must increase, but I must decrease,"
I only decrease as He increases, and He only increases
in me as I nourish His life by that which decreases me.
Am I willing to feed the life of the Son of God in me ?
If so, then He increases in me. There is no pathos in John's
words, but delight, " Would to God I could decrease more
quickly! " If a man attracts by his personality, then his
appeal must come along the line of the particular work he
wishes to do; but stand identified with the personality of
your Lord, like John the Baptist, and the appeal is for
His work to be done. The danger is to glory in men—
" What a wonderful personality! " If when people get
blessed they sentimentally " moon " around me, I am to
blame because m my heart I lay the nattering unction to myself
that it is because of my way of putting things ; they begin
to idealize the one who should be being made broken bread
and poured-out wine for them. Beware of stealing souls
for whom Christ died for your own affectionate wealth.
3. SACRAMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and fin up
on my part that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ
in my flesh for His body's sake, which is the church.

COLOSSIANS i, 24.
By " sacramental responsibility " understand the solemn
determination to keep myself notably my Lord's, and to
treat as a subtle temptation of the devil the call to take on
any responsibility that conflicts with my determined identi-
fication with His interests. God's one great interest in men
is that they are redeemed; am I identifying myself with

that interest ? Notice where God puts His disapproval on
human experiences, it is when we begin to adhere to our
conception of what sanctification is, and forget that sancti-
fication itself has to be sanctified. When we see Jesus we
will be ashamed of our deliberately conscious experience
of sanctification, that is the thing that hinders Him, because
instead of other people seeing Jesus in me, they see " me "
and not Jesus. We have to be sacramental elements in His
hands, not only in word but in actual life. After sanctifi-
cation it is difficult to state what your aim in life is, because
God has taken you up into His purposes. The design for
God's service is that He can use the saint as His hands or
His feet. Jesus taught that spiritually we should " grow
as the lilies," bringing out the life that God blesses.