Kim Ilene Shares some discernment about the Shack

Kim Ilene
"#The_Shack" COULD be a useful teaching tool if one were using it to teach what Christianity is NOT, but unfortunately all Christians see is that it "teaches forgiveness," without asking WHY it teaches forgiveness. They don't see the Catholic(universal)/Androgynous Black Madonna (satanic), the New Age Issa Messiah (satanic) & the Hindu Shiva (satanic). They don't understand that Mormons & New Agers - & especially New Agers! - believe in "spirit babies" who existed before they were born & "chose" the life they were going to live fully KNOWING all that was going to occur during their life span - that's why they believe they can't get mad at perverts, murderers, etc., because they chose their lives, too. They believe that pretty much everything that happens in this life is irrelevant except learning to love & learning to love means learning to forgive. Similarly, Hindus are cool with the movie, because they, too, can recognize the reincarnational elements. Most everyone fails to recognize that the entire plot of the movie was laid out by the dad in the beginning: A little virgin princess had to die sacrificially to save the father. And THAT is, in fact, precisely what happened. His own daughter had to die, because her sacrificial death ultimately "saved" him. This is the very sick heart of paganism: Child sacrifice. I will say it again: It's NOT Jesus' death on the cross that saved the man, it was his own daughter. Pagans everywhere, New Agers, etc. have no problem with this "gospel," because it meshes very well with what they already believe. So you have Saruyu - who represents Shiva, the Hindu destroyer God/God of death & destruction - leads the man on an archetypal "hero's journey" (which, in this case, turns out to be a fantastic inner journey into the subconscious) by means of wandering into an overgrown/jungly labyrinth (because you wouldn't want the Christians to recognize it for what it is) - at the center of which he eventually buries his own child (bizarre, since he had earlier seen her alive in heaven) & there is much ado & fawning over a moth covered (inlaid wood) coffin (that was lovingly made by Jesus) - buried in a "ceremony" eerily similar to satanic child sacrifice in a circular wooded area... But let's go back to the labyrinth imagery for a second. The labyrinth originated in Greco-Roman culture - every year 7 girls &; 7 boys had to be sent into the center of the labyrinth to appease the insatiable rage of the Minotaur monster who lived in there... Is it ironic that the man had to "sacrifice" (give up) his insatiable rage & desire to kill the pedophile monster by burying his child in the middle of this labyrinth? And then, of course, once he buried his "seed" (his child) a beautiful dualistic tree of Good & Evil sprang up in its place with satanic snake swirls bursting out all over the place & a Monarch butterfly playfully tweaked the man's nose. (Monarch butterflies are used to symbolize child sex toys.) Again, New Agers & paganists of all kinds will immediately recognize the symbolic imagery as it zooms right over naive Christians' heads. The entire movie was a pagan child sacrifice reenactment... & nobody noticed.


Chris Welch approaches from a different angle

A reply to those saying that the Shack doesn't represent God as the Judge of the whole earth properly and matters of sin judgment and hell.
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I don't wish to remove anything from God being God and He is the Greatest Judge. But we are not now living during Jesus time. We are living in the time Jesus prophesied....the time when the Kingdom appears overrun by bad seed sown by an enemy by night.
So while you wish to carry on as if nothing has happened, actually the world is now deliberately traumatised by anything to do with the Kingdom. And deliberately so. Satan meant it that way. So whereas Jesus is still preaching in a time when God is perceived as an honest balanced Judge, Satan has stuck a great big sign in the middle of the Farmers field with a monstrous trauma inducing head of THOR and called this the Christian God.
Now be my guest all you old guys living in pews in churches trying to pretend we are in the same even handed world of Anne of Green Gables or during Jesus time when church was still a virgin concept.....but nobody on earth is listening to you and your generation. They simply couldn't care less about anything you represent.....your churches.... your prqctices....your way of running Christs church for Him....
they have voted with their feet.
As the Shack says to Mack....it's useless God appearing anything like He is, because Mack was transposing his entire trauma onto the face of God the Father.
You can speak about judgment til you are blue in the face....
what you will find is exactly the same response as if you were talking to a newly converted family member of the thirteen major Illuminati dynasties........complete and utter trauma
an inabilkity to think straight about anything for long
fragmented personalities
lots of complete delusion regarding reality and ofcourse God.
Now be my guest. Carry on traumatising people. But I would suggest that long before you can get anywhere near influencing people,
you have to do a lot of waiting
a lot of doodling in the sand
and at the end when it is quiet,
smile at the adulteress with empowering eyes and say
Neither do I condemn you but go and sin no more.

Andrea Garzon meets with Wm.Paul Young author of The Shack

    

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Ted Angell

Andrea met with Paul Young, author of The Shack, today in Florida, for the Spanish website we're doing: www.soy-libre.org. Thank you to Sheila Vertoli for hosting her and taking this picture. I hope to have the site up with the first few videos, including the Young video(s), tomorrow morning.

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The Third Level is about Union

The first two levels although distinct from each other...compared to the third level are but a foyer, a vestibule,or reception hall. They are where you take your hat and coat off. You are greeted respectfully and in a welcoming way. The conversation is shallow. Because this area is not for staying in. It's sole purpose is to receive you, then usher you through to the main area.

I wrote to Julie on Facebook about Kelanie Gloeckler and what an inspiration her CD "Bending to Hear" has been. (Jamie sent me a copy for Christmas)Then I was pretty forthright about the 80s Hosanna Series as a comparison. I've been thinking about that all day. Did I mean what I said? And I've come to the conclusion I did.

Many of the 80s songs still live on today. They were inspired. But what happened was we loved the songs...singing the songs...more than connecting with our Jesus. This can be compared to self-gratification instead of love-making. The object of our love is to be Jesus. The Living One. Praise is to connect us to this Living One. No matter what He may want to say or do with us or through us. Praise that stays in the foyer....enjoying praise because it feels good....ultimately leads nowhere.
When we go through into the chamber where Jesus is. When we hear Him. Then when we act by faith and obedience on His words....we grow. To be more precise we grow into Him.

The third Level is all about Union. This is the bit that gets tough for those who think Christianity is not about union. Who try and make out the first two levels are all there is...or worse still that the first two levels are the same as the third level.

Jesus did not spring it on His disciples in the Upper Room. Bill Johnson reminded us here in the UK at Maidenhead that Jesus first presented this when He said the words
Unless you eat of the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood then you will not have life within yourselves. And a ton left that day saying "This is a hard saying".

Then in the Upper Room John records in Chapters 13-17 a discourse made up more or less totally of 3rd level material. About Union. Union between the Father,the Son,the Holy Spirit, and you...and me. Of moving us from disciples...and servants....to friends.

Whether we all call it the 3rd level or not.....some call it maturity...some other expressions. But I am going to give you 3 examples of how ministries are changing. I am saying 3rd level ministries are proliferating. They are everywhere. These are people God Himself is raising up.

(The Bride,The Church)....is Christ in another form, for she was taken out of Him...Frank Viola From Eternity To Here Chapter 5, A Close-Up of the Second Eve.

I did not come to camp outside and view you through a haze,I've got to look into Your eyes in the Holy Place.....I did not come to bow down and give in to fear of man.....the blaze in Your gaze is drawing me into You, I'm being chased by the very One that I pursue.

Your searching eyes are desiring those who dare to move closer.Relationship,"Come up here...."We'll wrestle You 'til You bless us,We are not letting go now,The broken ones move in power...
I wanna worship until You are satisfied. Selected passages from many of the songs on Kelanie Gloeckler's CD "Bending To Hear"

Jesus speaking to Mack ..."Seriously, my life was not meant to be an example for you to copy. Being My follower is not "trying to be like Jesus" it means for your independence to be killed.I came to give you life,real life,My life.We will come and live our life inside of you, so that you may begin to see with our eyes, and hear with our ears,and touch with our hands and think like we do.But we will never force that union on you. If you want to do your thing,have at it. Time is on our side." from Chapter 10 Wade in the Water - in The Shack by William P Young.

In a later post I may go into this "Going Up In Secret "theme. People are deluded by the fact that the 3rd Level is not "thrust upon them"....and everything else in life bar marriage...just about...is. School. Manners.Life skills. Social skills. Taxes.

But the 3rd level seems to operate by stealth. Until suddenly, the curtain is pulled back and people gasp..."Where did Corrie ten Boom come from? i thought she was one of those pitiable concentration camp victims." "Where did Mother Theresa come from? I thought she was a feeble nun in a Romanian convent!" " Where did that Nazareth carpenter learn all those things...and those signs and wonders!!"

The first commandment is a commandment...but have you noticed God is not standing over you with a hammer to make you fulfil
loving Him with all your heart and mind and soul and will and strength...

Yet if you happen to...He leads you into a wonderful 3rd level world
where the things you speak happen
where the dreams in your heart spring into being
where all your friends are amazed or angered....
but the thing is...you went up in secret.....they did not even know it was possible to do so...they had their eyes fixed only on what somebody was forcing them to learn, think, act......You heard Your beloved's voice say,"Come Up".

Homeless Christians

Extract from Peter Stott-Havant 29.03.09

A Christian was never meant to be homeless.

They were meant to live in the House of the Lord.
Under the shadow of His wings. In the secret place of the Most High.In the dwelling place of God. Enjoying the emotions of God. The ambience of heaven, in just as real way as we experience the changing atmospheres in our own families.

Many talk about " I go and prepare a place for you" as though it's a verse to be read out at funerals. But it's about now as much it is about the future.

He wants to come and make His home with Us. Some people try to separate out their favorite Persons of the Trinity. The truth is, you get One , you get the lot. But as the Shack so eloquently describes...they all have different roles and personalities , yet move as One.

But everything but everything is about the focal point being the Father.

Shawna's Holy Spirit Reading List and Yes I am Chapter 7

I woke up this morning with this post title on my mind, but then was surprised to find Shawna's comment on the last post. This encouraged me no end. And in case you have not seen it , it contains a copy of John Paul Jackson's recent Perfect Storm prophecy. See the complete prophecy here:http://www.streamsministries.com/index.php?cat_id=27&page_id=119

I just wanted to honour her recent comment , saying how she definitely felt she'd been on a Holy Spirit reading course. And I just wanted to stress...I believe she has!
I have certain jigsaw pieces that I wanted to bring forward in the last few months , and have done so on Dan's site (which I must finish cataloguing) and here on this blog. These jigsaw pieces go back over some 36 years...and ofcourse the main title core (3rd Level)dates back to 1988.

So as fast as I am putting stuff on this site...there is a side to this which is a bit like David being told he wasn't going to build the Temple, he could help with providing materials.
You see God is doing some building of His own this year!!! I even watched a bit of Patricia King on God Channel, when she was talking about coming into another level. In particular she was saying for herself the time of straight conferences was over...she wondered whether to call them "Reviverences".

The other main strand which is not just a strand.....it is the main core of 1 John 2:13-14 . The GROWN-UP stage "I write to you fathers, because you have known Him who is from the beginning." And even "little children
because you have known the Father.........."

So in this 3rd stage of growth, out of the mists, coming down out of heaven, like a cloud the size of a man's hand at the moment, but soon to be a mighty downpour...................
Is the Relationship with the Father.
God wants His precious children back! For good!
The fact that the very first stage of knowing God is listed in this passage as both knowing sins have been forgiven on account of His Name, and secondly that you know the Father....as your very own Abba.... shows a very different worldwide church to the one we are in at the moment.

And this is what is to happen in the 3rd Level. Father ministries who raise up fathered churches, who go on to reproduce Fathering people....and so on. For some reason this didn't particularly happen that well in the second level. The Charismatic Level. I plan to do a later post summarising the material regarding ministry covered since February.

Today, I want to highlight the fact that these three books above trandem well!
Embarrassment...........
Just as I regret the day I told my newly converted friend to throw away her Cliff Richard record
"Small Corners" as it was worldly !!!! Yes that was me. 2 and half decades ago.
Just as my previous head pastor confidently declared that all AEROBICS was of the Devil!!!
Yup. Glad that one wasn't me!.
Mark Driscoll openly declares in front of 8000, then hundreds of thousands more on podcast, that, without reading it, "The Shack" must definitely not be read at any cost! Wow! He has to live with that for the rest of his life!!

Far from it not to be read, I think Christine and I who have just read it, would say this is precisely what is happening. It is in the top positions of the bestseller lists.
A world that does not know fathering. A world increasingly broken. People this week, whose investments are crashing around them.....ARE READING THIS BOOK whether we Christians like it or not. And just like in the post about Nicholas and Pam, where time and time again, God is intervening directly in people's lives.....people the Church will have nothing to do with........to set up His own move....to train them in the true heart behind the Bible, the Father Heart of God....this book is another huge vehicle. And interestingly enough : Mark Stibbe's Orphans and Heirs,ISBN 1 84101 414 1 and The Shack by William P YoungISBN 978-0-340-97949-5
make a lot of sense of previously "untouchable" material like Chapter 7 of Yes I am. Do you then see how, whereas the church might not understand the 3rd level at all.........there's a whole generation of totally broken people who will??..because they are connecting direct with their Father in heaven. What Norman took 50 years labouring over, they will "get" in the Spirit the first week of their Christian lives! How flash is that!!
A lot of you have read The Shack and Orphans books. Now read Yes I am Chapter7"What Is God's Wrath?" All these impinge on each other to enlighten what really went on in Chapter 3 of Genesis in the light of the Fatherhood of God.
The effects of the disobedience were the opposite to what the
natural guilty world would expect God's reaction to be. We
would think God would, in anger and wrath, turn His back on
the two But it was precisely the other way around. It was
Adam who hid from God, not God from Adam. Here was God
"walking in the garden in the cool of the day" and looking for
Adam. But where was Adam? Hidden in the bushes. Nor was
God displaying some wrathful retaliation, but only
questioning Adam ... to bring the reality of the disobedience
home to him. For when He came face to face with the three the
serpent and Adam and Eve, there was not a word ot
condemnation or wrath against the two, but only His full curse
on Satan. To Adam and Eve everything God said was to clarify
to them the "beneficial" consequence which they, thankfully,
could not escape - a way of life which always has sorrow at its
roots God said in effect, "Eve. you will have sorrow one way,
Adam you will have sorrow another way." That was all. And
of course, the point of the sorrow would be that the whole
human race through all its centuries of history would always be
inwardly miserable, always knowing they were missing the
mark and meaning of life, always seeking a phony happiness
which would always escape them ... and thus, always at the
heart of every man, however covered up, is a sense of lostness
and a longing for fulfillment. That alone was God's judgment.
on His disobedient children, a judgment totally for their
benefit. Where then is what we would think of - and what the Bible
often refers to - as God's wrath? The answer is that the wrath
is not in His eternal person, for He is only love. But it is in the
human race, who have their being in Him; for always, no
matter how apparently apart from Him in their way of life they
be, they actually live and move in His being (which was Paul's
unique revelation to the men of Athens, in Acts 17).
The consequence must always be that we, in our separation
from God in His perfect personhood as love, have all the
effects in our persons of our wrong way of living; and those
constitute the wrath of God, experienced not in Him but in us.
This was well put by Paul in speaking of the effects of certain
sins in Romans 1 - that we receive in ourselves that
recompense of our error which is meet. Quite naturally, to
fallen man - seeing only with the external eye - it appears as
though God is the God of wrath imposing punishment on us;
and it is good in our blindness that we do see it as that, for then
the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. But to
continue in that misconception of God as the God of
punishment and wrath after we have become His children by
grace, and so should know better, leaves so many people who
are justified squirming under the misapprehension that God is
punishing them or has deserted them. Even when we read the
words of Moses or Paul about God hardening Pharaoh's heart
- and that God raised him up to show His power through the
hardening - we should understand that the hardening was
actually in Pharaoh's persistent, refusal to respond to Moses'
word of the Lord to him; so the hardening was of his own heart
and in himself, as one who had his being in God and was
misusing his being. That is the truth of God's wrath in His
rebellious sons, for as Paul said, the truth concerning Him is
that "God has shut them all up in unbelief that He might have
mercy on all"THAT INCLUDES GOD'S DEAF CHURCH,
BY THE WAY - Chris's insert.WE THINK WE'RE SO COOL, BUT STREETS AND STREETS OF UNSAVED PEOPLE AROUND OUR CHURCHES TESTIFY against us DIFFERENTLY (Rom. 11:32, margin), not judgment on them.
Actually, what did God give Adam and Eve in that crisis
interview? The answer is in what was addressed to the serpent:
"You have sown your seed of enmity in My human family, so
that they are your children. But I have a seed [one seed,
Galatians 3:16] of this woman. My eternal Christ, the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world; and in all who receive
Him that Seed will destroy your seed and crush your head,
though wounded by you in the process." That promise was
experienced in its truth by Adam and Eve's second son Abel, to
whom God first witnessed that he was justified with the
offering of a slain lamb, the first symbol of an atoning death as
the gateway to life. And Adam and Eve, as they covered
themselves in the skins from slain animals, with which God
provided them, must have seen this as the first symbol of
atonement. So all God gave them, after this first disobedience
that separated them and us from Him, was His all-conquering
grace. That grace was in the One who, from that first moment,
they could and did receive by faith, and who freed them from
eternal death.
But the necessity still remained - again we say it - that for
us to become reliable sons in the love-purposes of the Father
throughout eternity, we must drink to its dregs the reality of
the opposite - the misuse of the self in self-centeredness. We
must so know it to the depth of its wrongness and misery that,
once we are wakened from our blindness in seeking to make
the false way be the true, our disgust and hate and disillusion
are so total that when and if there is a way of escape, we're "not
going to go back to that again." In that we have one secure
basis for our new "reversed way" of life. Even if we visit the old
haunts under the Lure of temptation (as it were, when God is
not looking), we're not staying there. Guilt, shame,
repentance, confession bring us shamefacedly back. Thank
God, "once bit, twice shy." A competent professional has
learned and discarded the wrong way of practicing his trade.
And so have we! Once again it is Paul's "0 the depth of the
wisdom and knowledge of God" - for God foresaw and
provided for the necessity of the human race going
the death-way and experiencing its vanity before we
could confidently tread the life-way. We are safe
as well as saved sons: not one stage in our history
is out of place,the negative any more than the positive.