What began as a conversation is still going on, and it is now available in book form for all to read.
Showing posts with label Nancy Gilmore on speaking the Word of faith. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nancy Gilmore on speaking the Word of faith. Show all posts
Tuesday, 28 February 2012
Desire and Faith, Ole and Nancy's book
What began as a conversation is still going on, and it is now available in book form for all to read.
Sunday, 30 October 2011
FAITH IS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD by Nancy Fitzpatrick Gilmore and Chris Welch
FAITH IS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD by Nancy Fitzpatrick Gilmore
In regard to being sensitive to how others ‘take’ what we say;
we need to recognize…- ‘since deception makes you think you are
something you are not’ – the Holy Spirit, who IS love, must ‘definitely’
be a disturbance in other peoples lives. I’m never concerned about that
because in this life we say what we hear the Spirit saying, and know He
is reaching His objective. SO.. when we know someone says they
‘believe,’ but do not “speak faith” …- we address that. And we too will
be a disturbance in others lives as the Lord uses us.
Faith is a language of the Spirit we learn. It’s the language of God. It is from another dimension; the invisible. The faith that speaks is generated in us by Christ; The Invisible One.
Abraham believed and it was counted as righteousness unto him. So Abraham’s believing was real faith. It was the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not see. We can learn this language of faith directly by God’s revelation to Abraham. It’s recorded in Romans 4:13-25. It’s telling us that Abraham ‘caught on’ to how God operates. It says Abraham saw in God’s promise that God called those things that be not as though they were!
Abraham copied God’s method, and with everything out of Abraham’s reach physically, against hope, he believed! And Abraham was credited by God – God’s-substance! It is the evidence that is in the promise. Abraham had his son! The promise was as good as the boy! And being not weak in faith, Abraham considered NOT his own body dead when it was about 100 years old, neither the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God.
Now we do the same thing! Abraham is the ‘father of our faith.’ Abraham gave us this pattern. Abraham teaches us the ‘know-how’ of faith. He learned how to operate in faith. SO it says, Abraham being fully persuaded that what God promised, He was able also to perform. In other words this is a sure thing! And he said so! For 25 years he said so. Do you suppose he got some persecution? Or do you suppose they made fun of him? You see his name got change when he got faith. Names back then truly meant certain things to others, and Abraham means “I’m a daddy!”
Now this is the language of the Spirit of God. It operates on a higher level than rational or reason, and it has nothing to do with ‘sense-knowledge!’ It requires a leap into a different form of operation than we are accustom to at first. But we soon learn we are in union with God, who CANNOT LIE!Unionmeans we co-operate with God in the way He does things.
Unionputs life in gear for us. Union is the required positive / negative connection for operation with God. The ‘whole’ of life is union with God as us. We operate in this life by the faith of God. It’s HIS FAITH! Let us make sure our union is with Christ. This negative / positive connection is how things happen AS we speak the language of faith.
Faith is a language of the Spirit we learn. It’s the language of God. It is from another dimension; the invisible. The faith that speaks is generated in us by Christ; The Invisible One.
Abraham believed and it was counted as righteousness unto him. So Abraham’s believing was real faith. It was the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not see. We can learn this language of faith directly by God’s revelation to Abraham. It’s recorded in Romans 4:13-25. It’s telling us that Abraham ‘caught on’ to how God operates. It says Abraham saw in God’s promise that God called those things that be not as though they were!
Abraham copied God’s method, and with everything out of Abraham’s reach physically, against hope, he believed! And Abraham was credited by God – God’s-substance! It is the evidence that is in the promise. Abraham had his son! The promise was as good as the boy! And being not weak in faith, Abraham considered NOT his own body dead when it was about 100 years old, neither the deadness of Sarah’s womb. He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God.
Now we do the same thing! Abraham is the ‘father of our faith.’ Abraham gave us this pattern. Abraham teaches us the ‘know-how’ of faith. He learned how to operate in faith. SO it says, Abraham being fully persuaded that what God promised, He was able also to perform. In other words this is a sure thing! And he said so! For 25 years he said so. Do you suppose he got some persecution? Or do you suppose they made fun of him? You see his name got change when he got faith. Names back then truly meant certain things to others, and Abraham means “I’m a daddy!”
Now this is the language of the Spirit of God. It operates on a higher level than rational or reason, and it has nothing to do with ‘sense-knowledge!’ It requires a leap into a different form of operation than we are accustom to at first. But we soon learn we are in union with God, who CANNOT LIE!Unionmeans we co-operate with God in the way He does things.
Unionputs life in gear for us. Union is the required positive / negative connection for operation with God. The ‘whole’ of life is union with God as us. We operate in this life by the faith of God. It’s HIS FAITH! Let us make sure our union is with Christ. This negative / positive connection is how things happen AS we speak the language of faith.
Faith is the cornerstone of the language
of God. The language of God is not like our language.The “Conversation”
of God ,where conversation takes the Old English form to mean
considerably more than speech, more to do with a complete way of
being…..
the conversation of God has to do with
is Firstly and Most importantly
in RELATIONSHIP,
which includes BOTH the fear/awe and the love of God.
And it is by His chosen means. Which is the Holy Spirit.
“Not by Might ,Nor by power, but by My Holy Spirit ” says the Lord.
Most of the 9 gifts of the Spirit rely on spoken faith speech. Speech birthed in the heavenly conversation that is faith.
The most fantastic genius idea that is a perfect example of God’s wisdom being foolishness to men, is, having divided everyone by language, God grants the gift of other tongues. Tongues of men and angels. Languages of both men and angels.Only in the late 20th Century could we begin to even get the tiniest glimpse of how much of a master coup this gift was.
Our whole lives are driven by the “left-brain” control of our speech centres. This is where our surface thinking, philosophies,paradigms start and end. It is the last edge of the cliff promontery that fear has pushed our brains to in the Fall, in the total delusion that things are run from here.
The truth is in the 20 th Century Two World Wars, Chairman Mao,Stalin and many others committed management errors purposefully and mistakenly from precisely this ludicrous headquarters perched at the edge of the clifftop, where no one with any sense would make a single decision ever.
So in just 2 seconds, the Holy Spirit bypasses the entire faulty “dependency” area of the brain and creates a connection “unfiltered” between our Spirit straight through to God.
Through this means a balance begins to be restored, whereby we begin thinking from our spirit, not forever making God work round our treacherous and prepostorous position on a nervous clifftop tower lookout.
Man shall not live by Bread alone, that which he hears speaks sees touches and tastes.But by every Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, do not rely on your own insight, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall make straight your paths.
Faith then is a way of being. Founded in heaven, not on earth. We
simply obey when it comes to the 9 gifts of the Spirit, without
realising the precious loving Spirit is teaching us,weaving in us a
totally new form of “Conversation”, a very real KNOWHOW of the mechanics
of this alien place to us grasshoppers crawling around earth’s cabbage
leaves….that of Heaven itself.
the conversation of God has to do with
- connection with God and man,whereas before I presumed myself an alone-I,
- revelation and understanding of who God is
- of how He behaves : His ways
- of strange unknown things that exist in their own right in heaven but here on earth are but represented by shadows and incomplete forms.
is Firstly and Most importantly
in RELATIONSHIP,
which includes BOTH the fear/awe and the love of God.
And it is by His chosen means. Which is the Holy Spirit.
“Not by Might ,Nor by power, but by My Holy Spirit ” says the Lord.
Most of the 9 gifts of the Spirit rely on spoken faith speech. Speech birthed in the heavenly conversation that is faith.
The most fantastic genius idea that is a perfect example of God’s wisdom being foolishness to men, is, having divided everyone by language, God grants the gift of other tongues. Tongues of men and angels. Languages of both men and angels.Only in the late 20th Century could we begin to even get the tiniest glimpse of how much of a master coup this gift was.
Our whole lives are driven by the “left-brain” control of our speech centres. This is where our surface thinking, philosophies,paradigms start and end. It is the last edge of the cliff promontery that fear has pushed our brains to in the Fall, in the total delusion that things are run from here.
The truth is in the 20 th Century Two World Wars, Chairman Mao,Stalin and many others committed management errors purposefully and mistakenly from precisely this ludicrous headquarters perched at the edge of the clifftop, where no one with any sense would make a single decision ever.
So in just 2 seconds, the Holy Spirit bypasses the entire faulty “dependency” area of the brain and creates a connection “unfiltered” between our Spirit straight through to God.
Through this means a balance begins to be restored, whereby we begin thinking from our spirit, not forever making God work round our treacherous and prepostorous position on a nervous clifftop tower lookout.
Man shall not live by Bread alone, that which he hears speaks sees touches and tastes.But by every Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God. Trust in the Lord with all your heart, do not rely on your own insight, but in all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall make straight your paths.
Tuesday, 27 July 2010
A Commissioning by Nancy Gilmore. His 2nd Coming by Ole Henrik
A Commissioning
(from Facebook) by Nancy Gilmore
In a commission that I had been in for many years, I was commissioned by the Spirit to go to a certain place where this individual that I was in the commission for would be. I was told by the Lord not to let anyone stop me. Once there I found I would be standing in the gap physically (as a proxy) for this person who would have been seriously attacked, (harmed, even possibly murdered!). The Lord told me what to wear and what not to wear. Once I was on the scene I became the attraction for the one seeking to harm the one I was standing in the gap for. At the proper time, known only by the Lord, when I was completely alone and on location, I was physically attacked. While being physically attacked I was given instruction, by the Lord, what to do and what not to do; and I was told by the Lord what the perpetrator would do, also. I follow all instructions and everything happened exactly as the Lord revealed. At the proper time when all the instruction were accomplished, and the attacker had me pinned physically so I could no longer move, I cried out to the Lord to help me! Beyond instantly, I found myself located on the other side of the road, freed from the attacker and in complete control of the events, ordering the attacker, (who was now begging me for forgiveness), to leave. I told him to leave the scene before I got someone to help me! Which, of course he did! And the person who I had stood in proxy for was never harmed! Praise The LORD! Once this incident was made public the attacker was found, arrested, and charged (not by me) by the authorities who followed up on the attack.
His Second Coming
Posted on July 25, 2010 by Ole Henrik Facebook
This is how Lucas depicts Jesus’ ascension: “They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.”Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
In John chapter 16 Jesus tells the disciples, “in a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.” When Jesus used the phrase “in a little while” He obviously meant a period of days. We know that is a fact regarding His ascension. Since He uses the same phrase about His return He meant that after a period of days they would see Him again.
In the last chapter of his Gospel John writes that Jesus showed Himself three times to the disciples after His resurrection. It wasn’t a ghost they saw but a real person in flesh and blood as witnessed in particular by Thomas when he was offered to put his hand into Jesus’ side.
When the two men in white said that Jesus would come back in the same way as the disciples had seen Him go into heaven they meant that Jesus would return in flesh. He had ascended in the flesh and He would return in the flesh. The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah. They missed His coming, and are thus still waiting. Large parts of Christianity are still waiting for Jesus’ second coming. As the Jews they have missed the event, because Jesus has indeed returned in the flesh after a little while as He promised.
The Jews missed Jesus because they couldn’t fathom that He would be born as a poor unnoticed child in a manger. They thought He would come with flashing lights, great pageantry and ethereal splendor. Christianity has missed Jesus second coming because they cannot fathom that He has returned as you and me who are quite ordinary persons in the flesh. We
are that manger where Jesus is born again and again. Paul puts it like this: “To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
In the book of revelation John writes: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him.” In the literature we find a myriad of imaginative attempts at explaining this verse. Notably that all will see Him has puzzled many a commentator. However, if Jesus has returned in a host of born again Christians this passage suddenly makes a lot of sense.
There are passages in the Bible which allude to that there will be an additional second coming beyond the one discussed in this brief article. However, this particular event is hidden from me, so all I can say is: time will show.
(from Facebook) by Nancy GilmoreIn a commission that I had been in for many years, I was commissioned by the Spirit to go to a certain place where this individual that I was in the commission for would be. I was told by the Lord not to let anyone stop me. Once there I found I would be standing in the gap physically (as a proxy) for this person who would have been seriously attacked, (harmed, even possibly murdered!). The Lord told me what to wear and what not to wear. Once I was on the scene I became the attraction for the one seeking to harm the one I was standing in the gap for. At the proper time, known only by the Lord, when I was completely alone and on location, I was physically attacked. While being physically attacked I was given instruction, by the Lord, what to do and what not to do; and I was told by the Lord what the perpetrator would do, also. I follow all instructions and everything happened exactly as the Lord revealed. At the proper time when all the instruction were accomplished, and the attacker had me pinned physically so I could no longer move, I cried out to the Lord to help me! Beyond instantly, I found myself located on the other side of the road, freed from the attacker and in complete control of the events, ordering the attacker, (who was now begging me for forgiveness), to leave. I told him to leave the scene before I got someone to help me! Which, of course he did! And the person who I had stood in proxy for was never harmed! Praise The LORD! Once this incident was made public the attacker was found, arrested, and charged (not by me) by the authorities who followed up on the attack.
His Second Coming
Posted on July 25, 2010 by Ole Henrik Facebook
This is how Lucas depicts Jesus’ ascension: “They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.”Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
In John chapter 16 Jesus tells the disciples, “in a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me.” When Jesus used the phrase “in a little while” He obviously meant a period of days. We know that is a fact regarding His ascension. Since He uses the same phrase about His return He meant that after a period of days they would see Him again.
In the last chapter of his Gospel John writes that Jesus showed Himself three times to the disciples after His resurrection. It wasn’t a ghost they saw but a real person in flesh and blood as witnessed in particular by Thomas when he was offered to put his hand into Jesus’ side.
When the two men in white said that Jesus would come back in the same way as the disciples had seen Him go into heaven they meant that Jesus would return in flesh. He had ascended in the flesh and He would return in the flesh. The Jews are still waiting for their Messiah. They missed His coming, and are thus still waiting. Large parts of Christianity are still waiting for Jesus’ second coming. As the Jews they have missed the event, because Jesus has indeed returned in the flesh after a little while as He promised.
The Jews missed Jesus because they couldn’t fathom that He would be born as a poor unnoticed child in a manger. They thought He would come with flashing lights, great pageantry and ethereal splendor. Christianity has missed Jesus second coming because they cannot fathom that He has returned as you and me who are quite ordinary persons in the flesh. We
are that manger where Jesus is born again and again. Paul puts it like this: “To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
In the book of revelation John writes: “Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him.” In the literature we find a myriad of imaginative attempts at explaining this verse. Notably that all will see Him has puzzled many a commentator. However, if Jesus has returned in a host of born again Christians this passage suddenly makes a lot of sense.
There are passages in the Bible which allude to that there will be an additional second coming beyond the one discussed in this brief article. However, this particular event is hidden from me, so all I can say is: time will show.
Sunday, 7 February 2010
Faith is saying something has happened and knowing something has happened.
This is a Facebook Conversation and the post title comes from Nancy Gilmore and later Eamon McMullan
Nancy Gilmore "Faith is saying something has happened" Norman GrubbYesterday at 04:20 · You, Eamon McMullan, Megan Anne Fey and 4 others like this.
Matthew Campbell Amen. It's called Good News and news speaks of something that has already happened.
I got that from Malcolm Smith. :)
Yesterday at 04:23Megan Anne Fey Wonderful Nancy.
Yesterday at 04:24Stacey Robbins ooh...like, like, like!
Yesterday at 04:35Nancy Gilmore Amen Matthew! & Megan! Thank you!
I think in this which Norman was speaking here had to do with us making things happen for others. This is this third level living where we know our union, and declare a thing as God. Norman was talking about faith- "is applied inner choice" -where we act as God! We declare the word of God's Power. Think of the ... See moreauthority! We make things happen for others; it's according to my word. I speak a word of faith; it's specific; and I say this or that HAS HAPPENED.
When I first started speaking a word of faith for others, I looked like a false prophet; that was many years ago! I never stopped speaking this truth for others, and God establishes us in this reality of speaking as Him concerning another. Now I say, specifically, what I would like to see happen for another! The first step, I find out what it is I really wish to see happen; and then I say so! I say 'this' (and I name what it is!), is what God is doing concerning this person, or that person. Once I know what to say, I say this has happened!
Yesterday at 05:08Elmarie Botha Wonderful Nancy!
Yesterday at 05:31Nancy Gilmore Thank you Stacey and Elmarie!
Yesterday at 05:49Chris Welch I have had tomorrow's breakfast!
Yesterday at 14:11 · Eamon McMullan "Faith is knowing something has happened" me
Yesterday
Chris Welch Here's a genuine question without any "angle" to it. Many including Norman came into speaking a Word of faith" outside of the charismatic movement. Excuse my ignorance...but how would it have worked say when Norman and Rees Howells got together. Would they have just discussed together then got an inner confirmation as they chatted? I really only know how it works in a praising church setting. So we begin focussing on God as a group of God's people. Sometimes it's quite a struggle to begin with. Then often you get this sense of breaking through into another realm...beyond the battle if you like. And in this area God speaks very clearly. Often there is an accompanying sense of victory....and you all feel inside you as though it's a done thing!!! And only a matter of time before it manifests. One of the most stunning events was when the Word came about the Yorkshire Ripper, who had been evading capture and sneering at the police for months and months, and one by one another would be murdered. Within hours of that very meeting he was slammed in jail!
Yesterday at 17:09 · Nancy Gilmore Thanks Eamon!
Yesterday at 17:48Nancy Gilmore Chris, thank you! Interesting how God walks differently in and as us; (particularly you and I); since I have not been involved in any 'church group setting', as you describe it, since 1975; when the Lord spoke to me and said, I was to come out from that and He would walk in me. So this has been my adventure of faith since then in regard to what He is doing as me. He cut me from everything natural at that time; home, family, friends, financial security, and told me to walk by faith. I've only known commissions, particularly since that time, (even though I was commissioned before then also). SO for me speaking a word of faith for another has been very specific, knowing God has had me involved with different ones since then.
As a 'rule' I do not come to a word of faith for another with anyone else beside God and me. There are exception when others are speaking a word of faith and they have ask me to stand with 'them' (and I do); but that has more to do with them speaking a word for someone they know to speak for; than when I am speaking on behalf of another.
Sometimes that word of faith for another that I've spoken, becomes public information, because I tell it to different ones who make it public; but a rule it is a very private matter with me, and I only share it among those who believe as I do. In other words I don't throw my pearls before the swine least they come back a lacerate me. But I do find, once I have come to a knowing word of faith to speak; particularly where another is in great need of God's intervention; once I have spoken this is what God is going to do; I seek out immediately after speaking that word someone of like faith to share with; but only if I know they are safe in a faith position also. Faith is the real thing! Because usually the 'word of faith' you are speaking is so ridicules to the circumstances that no one, but another safe person of faith would believe with you anyway. And usually the person you are speaking the word for knows nothing of it at the time, either. Sometimes it is a period of time before you even know what word to speak; God usually has to tell me what it is that I desire for that person. I'm totally dependent on Him, but once I know what it is I am to say! Hell or high water can't stop me!... See more
As to Norman and Rees; I would assume, from what Norman shared with me, he picked up 'speaking a word" from Rees as he said great light flowed from Rees as they walked together when meeting; but I would also assume if the two of them were being touched by a particular person in whom they both were moved by God to come to the same word of faith; they would agree together, and SAY that word.
I can identify with what you speak of as a 'break-though' pertaining to speaking a word of faith. And if it's made public beyond one or two knowing of it; you are publicly being watched to see God bring it to pass. I don't have to 'watch'; I know it's done; though if a time element is involved; I am seeing it come to pass as well.
Chris Welch That's terriffic and it is making me think about how it works for me. Actually I do have 2 walks, or one walk manifested in 2 ways. The church setting I have described is a bit different to the daily walk, as the practice of gathering together as a Body is a bit different from working singly or as Christine and I. Most of the daily challenges are ... See moremeeting bills when I may or may not have any work booked. I go through something like a labour for the necessary things to be paid on time. I guess most of us are doing this. You kind of carry it in your insides but all the time knowing the One who is All-Sufficient is fused as me. To be frank, and it drives Christine up the wall sometimes, I am listening on my insides to "what is next"...and sometimes it is a particular thing I feel to share on the blog, something like a bomb waiting to explode. If I get this right, and it is really what Jesus is doing next, quite often we will get a random piano sale....or someone will phone in asking for a long tuning and repair or something. Sometimes it feels like an alternative way of marketing. But as I say, it doesn't always go down well with Christine. And sometimes she is right. other times we will feel something random and identical from the time we get up. We're not primarily evangelists, but on the day of the seabaptism when Yvette was lined up...both of us felt strongly that we had to nail Gerald, her husband. If we were frequent nailers...this would sound manipulative...but up til now we've never had another time like this. Gerald is so laid back as a character, he'd probably only just think about getting saved as the flames of hell were licking around him. So actually, he did make a decision for Christ that day and if anybody has seen the video....everyone who was there kind of felt Gerald looked about 10 years younger when he came out of the water. http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2008/11/time-for-testimony.html
Yesterday at 19:30 ·
Chris Welch I don't know if that is the main difference from your cases Nancy, when to prevent laceration you sometimes keep stumm. In a safe church used to the Presence of Christ and prophetic declarations of faith you seem to be able to get away with more.
We had a virtually paralysed girl that all the other house churches had sort of given up on in the 70s... See more. Ian McCulloch was up for the challenge so she came to live in the Christian Community house in Emsworth. She lived at the top of the house in total darkness...she was allergic to light and going up there to pray with her was like dining with demons. For months it was like the devil was just sneering at all of us, the main pastor included. But as clear as anything on two separate occasions in the praise and worship God used me to declare victory in no uncertain terms. But the months dragged on after this.I was about 22, and i felt a small version of what Rees Howells did making the declaration about Hitler.
If you look on my friends list you will see Norita Roberts, an Argentinian who God raised up at this point to do a "Gerald" with this girl. He specifically commissioned her to get up at 5 every morning and stand in for this girl until she was totally free. Step by step. Feeding in Word. Some Holy Spirit bullying! Gradually this girl, who had a doctor's record sheet like a phone directory, was totally set free....at least there was some back pain remaining I think. But she has a totally new life, married and living in Barcelona. And, for all you who have read Mark Stibbe's testimony....you know what really broke the whole deal. The revelation of God the Father's personal love for the girl. All her Christian life she was convinced she wasn't loved. And God's love suddenly broke through!!!! This story shows the Body of Christ moving corporately, each part making a part of the breakthrough jigsaw for this girl. Saints , it's time we had more Bible Houses...but this time 3rd Level ones!!!!
Yesterday at 19:43 ·
Nancy Gilmore "Faith is saying something has happened" Norman GrubbYesterday at 04:20 · You, Eamon McMullan, Megan Anne Fey and 4 others like this.
Matthew Campbell Amen. It's called Good News and news speaks of something that has already happened.
I got that from Malcolm Smith. :)
Yesterday at 04:23Megan Anne Fey Wonderful Nancy.
Yesterday at 04:24Stacey Robbins ooh...like, like, like!
Yesterday at 04:35Nancy Gilmore Amen Matthew! & Megan! Thank you!
I think in this which Norman was speaking here had to do with us making things happen for others. This is this third level living where we know our union, and declare a thing as God. Norman was talking about faith- "is applied inner choice" -where we act as God! We declare the word of God's Power. Think of the ... See moreauthority! We make things happen for others; it's according to my word. I speak a word of faith; it's specific; and I say this or that HAS HAPPENED.
When I first started speaking a word of faith for others, I looked like a false prophet; that was many years ago! I never stopped speaking this truth for others, and God establishes us in this reality of speaking as Him concerning another. Now I say, specifically, what I would like to see happen for another! The first step, I find out what it is I really wish to see happen; and then I say so! I say 'this' (and I name what it is!), is what God is doing concerning this person, or that person. Once I know what to say, I say this has happened!
Yesterday at 05:08Elmarie Botha Wonderful Nancy!
Yesterday at 05:31Nancy Gilmore Thank you Stacey and Elmarie!
Yesterday at 05:49Chris Welch I have had tomorrow's breakfast!
Yesterday at 14:11 · Eamon McMullan "Faith is knowing something has happened" me
Yesterday
Chris Welch Here's a genuine question without any "angle" to it. Many including Norman came into speaking a Word of faith" outside of the charismatic movement. Excuse my ignorance...but how would it have worked say when Norman and Rees Howells got together. Would they have just discussed together then got an inner confirmation as they chatted? I really only know how it works in a praising church setting. So we begin focussing on God as a group of God's people. Sometimes it's quite a struggle to begin with. Then often you get this sense of breaking through into another realm...beyond the battle if you like. And in this area God speaks very clearly. Often there is an accompanying sense of victory....and you all feel inside you as though it's a done thing!!! And only a matter of time before it manifests. One of the most stunning events was when the Word came about the Yorkshire Ripper, who had been evading capture and sneering at the police for months and months, and one by one another would be murdered. Within hours of that very meeting he was slammed in jail!
Yesterday at 17:09 · Nancy Gilmore Thanks Eamon!
Yesterday at 17:48Nancy Gilmore Chris, thank you! Interesting how God walks differently in and as us; (particularly you and I); since I have not been involved in any 'church group setting', as you describe it, since 1975; when the Lord spoke to me and said, I was to come out from that and He would walk in me. So this has been my adventure of faith since then in regard to what He is doing as me. He cut me from everything natural at that time; home, family, friends, financial security, and told me to walk by faith. I've only known commissions, particularly since that time, (even though I was commissioned before then also). SO for me speaking a word of faith for another has been very specific, knowing God has had me involved with different ones since then.
As a 'rule' I do not come to a word of faith for another with anyone else beside God and me. There are exception when others are speaking a word of faith and they have ask me to stand with 'them' (and I do); but that has more to do with them speaking a word for someone they know to speak for; than when I am speaking on behalf of another.
Sometimes that word of faith for another that I've spoken, becomes public information, because I tell it to different ones who make it public; but a rule it is a very private matter with me, and I only share it among those who believe as I do. In other words I don't throw my pearls before the swine least they come back a lacerate me. But I do find, once I have come to a knowing word of faith to speak; particularly where another is in great need of God's intervention; once I have spoken this is what God is going to do; I seek out immediately after speaking that word someone of like faith to share with; but only if I know they are safe in a faith position also. Faith is the real thing! Because usually the 'word of faith' you are speaking is so ridicules to the circumstances that no one, but another safe person of faith would believe with you anyway. And usually the person you are speaking the word for knows nothing of it at the time, either. Sometimes it is a period of time before you even know what word to speak; God usually has to tell me what it is that I desire for that person. I'm totally dependent on Him, but once I know what it is I am to say! Hell or high water can't stop me!... See more
As to Norman and Rees; I would assume, from what Norman shared with me, he picked up 'speaking a word" from Rees as he said great light flowed from Rees as they walked together when meeting; but I would also assume if the two of them were being touched by a particular person in whom they both were moved by God to come to the same word of faith; they would agree together, and SAY that word.
I can identify with what you speak of as a 'break-though' pertaining to speaking a word of faith. And if it's made public beyond one or two knowing of it; you are publicly being watched to see God bring it to pass. I don't have to 'watch'; I know it's done; though if a time element is involved; I am seeing it come to pass as well.
Chris Welch That's terriffic and it is making me think about how it works for me. Actually I do have 2 walks, or one walk manifested in 2 ways. The church setting I have described is a bit different to the daily walk, as the practice of gathering together as a Body is a bit different from working singly or as Christine and I. Most of the daily challenges are ... See moremeeting bills when I may or may not have any work booked. I go through something like a labour for the necessary things to be paid on time. I guess most of us are doing this. You kind of carry it in your insides but all the time knowing the One who is All-Sufficient is fused as me. To be frank, and it drives Christine up the wall sometimes, I am listening on my insides to "what is next"...and sometimes it is a particular thing I feel to share on the blog, something like a bomb waiting to explode. If I get this right, and it is really what Jesus is doing next, quite often we will get a random piano sale....or someone will phone in asking for a long tuning and repair or something. Sometimes it feels like an alternative way of marketing. But as I say, it doesn't always go down well with Christine. And sometimes she is right. other times we will feel something random and identical from the time we get up. We're not primarily evangelists, but on the day of the seabaptism when Yvette was lined up...both of us felt strongly that we had to nail Gerald, her husband. If we were frequent nailers...this would sound manipulative...but up til now we've never had another time like this. Gerald is so laid back as a character, he'd probably only just think about getting saved as the flames of hell were licking around him. So actually, he did make a decision for Christ that day and if anybody has seen the video....everyone who was there kind of felt Gerald looked about 10 years younger when he came out of the water. http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/2008/11/time-for-testimony.html
Yesterday at 19:30 ·
Chris Welch I don't know if that is the main difference from your cases Nancy, when to prevent laceration you sometimes keep stumm. In a safe church used to the Presence of Christ and prophetic declarations of faith you seem to be able to get away with more.
We had a virtually paralysed girl that all the other house churches had sort of given up on in the 70s... See more. Ian McCulloch was up for the challenge so she came to live in the Christian Community house in Emsworth. She lived at the top of the house in total darkness...she was allergic to light and going up there to pray with her was like dining with demons. For months it was like the devil was just sneering at all of us, the main pastor included. But as clear as anything on two separate occasions in the praise and worship God used me to declare victory in no uncertain terms. But the months dragged on after this.I was about 22, and i felt a small version of what Rees Howells did making the declaration about Hitler.
If you look on my friends list you will see Norita Roberts, an Argentinian who God raised up at this point to do a "Gerald" with this girl. He specifically commissioned her to get up at 5 every morning and stand in for this girl until she was totally free. Step by step. Feeding in Word. Some Holy Spirit bullying! Gradually this girl, who had a doctor's record sheet like a phone directory, was totally set free....at least there was some back pain remaining I think. But she has a totally new life, married and living in Barcelona. And, for all you who have read Mark Stibbe's testimony....you know what really broke the whole deal. The revelation of God the Father's personal love for the girl. All her Christian life she was convinced she wasn't loved. And God's love suddenly broke through!!!! This story shows the Body of Christ moving corporately, each part making a part of the breakthrough jigsaw for this girl. Saints , it's time we had more Bible Houses...but this time 3rd Level ones!!!!
Yesterday at 19:43 ·
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