Thursday 9 October 2008

Shawna's Holy Spirit Reading List and Yes I am Chapter 7

I woke up this morning with this post title on my mind, but then was surprised to find Shawna's comment on the last post. This encouraged me no end. And in case you have not seen it , it contains a copy of John Paul Jackson's recent Perfect Storm prophecy. See the complete prophecy here:

I just wanted to honour her recent comment , saying how she definitely felt she'd been on a Holy Spirit reading course. And I just wanted to stress...I believe she has!
I have certain jigsaw pieces that I wanted to bring forward in the last few months , and have done so on Dan's site (which I must finish cataloguing) and here on this blog. These jigsaw pieces go back over some 36 years...and ofcourse the main title core (3rd Level)dates back to 1988.

So as fast as I am putting stuff on this site...there is a side to this which is a bit like David being told he wasn't going to build the Temple, he could help with providing materials.
You see God is doing some building of His own this year!!! I even watched a bit of Patricia King on God Channel, when she was talking about coming into another level. In particular she was saying for herself the time of straight conferences was over...she wondered whether to call them "Reviverences".

The other main strand which is not just a is the main core of 1 John 2:13-14 . The GROWN-UP stage "I write to you fathers, because you have known Him who is from the beginning." And even "little children
because you have known the Father.........."

So in this 3rd stage of growth, out of the mists, coming down out of heaven, like a cloud the size of a man's hand at the moment, but soon to be a mighty downpour...................
Is the Relationship with the Father.
God wants His precious children back! For good!
The fact that the very first stage of knowing God is listed in this passage as both knowing sins have been forgiven on account of His Name, and secondly that you know the your very own Abba.... shows a very different worldwide church to the one we are in at the moment.

And this is what is to happen in the 3rd Level. Father ministries who raise up fathered churches, who go on to reproduce Fathering people....and so on. For some reason this didn't particularly happen that well in the second level. The Charismatic Level. I plan to do a later post summarising the material regarding ministry covered since February.

Today, I want to highlight the fact that these three books above trandem well!
Just as I regret the day I told my newly converted friend to throw away her Cliff Richard record
"Small Corners" as it was worldly !!!! Yes that was me. 2 and half decades ago.
Just as my previous head pastor confidently declared that all AEROBICS was of the Devil!!!
Yup. Glad that one wasn't me!.
Mark Driscoll openly declares in front of 8000, then hundreds of thousands more on podcast, that, without reading it, "The Shack" must definitely not be read at any cost! Wow! He has to live with that for the rest of his life!!

Far from it not to be read, I think Christine and I who have just read it, would say this is precisely what is happening. It is in the top positions of the bestseller lists.
A world that does not know fathering. A world increasingly broken. People this week, whose investments are crashing around them.....ARE READING THIS BOOK whether we Christians like it or not. And just like in the post about Nicholas and Pam, where time and time again, God is intervening directly in people's lives.....people the Church will have nothing to do set up His own train them in the true heart behind the Bible, the Father Heart of God....this book is another huge vehicle. And interestingly enough : Mark Stibbe's Orphans and Heirs,ISBN 1 84101 414 1 and The Shack by William P YoungISBN 978-0-340-97949-5
make a lot of sense of previously "untouchable" material like Chapter 7 of Yes I am. Do you then see how, whereas the church might not understand the 3rd level at all.........there's a whole generation of totally broken people who will??..because they are connecting direct with their Father in heaven. What Norman took 50 years labouring over, they will "get" in the Spirit the first week of their Christian lives! How flash is that!!
A lot of you have read The Shack and Orphans books. Now read Yes I am Chapter7"What Is God's Wrath?" All these impinge on each other to enlighten what really went on in Chapter 3 of Genesis in the light of the Fatherhood of God.
The effects of the disobedience were the opposite to what the
natural guilty world would expect God's reaction to be. We
would think God would, in anger and wrath, turn His back on
the two But it was precisely the other way around. It was
Adam who hid from God, not God from Adam. Here was God
"walking in the garden in the cool of the day" and looking for
Adam. But where was Adam? Hidden in the bushes. Nor was
God displaying some wrathful retaliation, but only
questioning Adam ... to bring the reality of the disobedience
home to him. For when He came face to face with the three the
serpent and Adam and Eve, there was not a word ot
condemnation or wrath against the two, but only His full curse
on Satan. To Adam and Eve everything God said was to clarify
to them the "beneficial" consequence which they, thankfully,
could not escape - a way of life which always has sorrow at its
roots God said in effect, "Eve. you will have sorrow one way,
Adam you will have sorrow another way." That was all. And
of course, the point of the sorrow would be that the whole
human race through all its centuries of history would always be
inwardly miserable, always knowing they were missing the
mark and meaning of life, always seeking a phony happiness
which would always escape them ... and thus, always at the
heart of every man, however covered up, is a sense of lostness
and a longing for fulfillment. That alone was God's judgment.
on His disobedient children, a judgment totally for their
benefit. Where then is what we would think of - and what the Bible
often refers to - as God's wrath? The answer is that the wrath
is not in His eternal person, for He is only love. But it is in the
human race, who have their being in Him; for always, no
matter how apparently apart from Him in their way of life they
be, they actually live and move in His being (which was Paul's
unique revelation to the men of Athens, in Acts 17).
The consequence must always be that we, in our separation
from God in His perfect personhood as love, have all the
effects in our persons of our wrong way of living; and those
constitute the wrath of God, experienced not in Him but in us.
This was well put by Paul in speaking of the effects of certain
sins in Romans 1 - that we receive in ourselves that
recompense of our error which is meet. Quite naturally, to
fallen man - seeing only with the external eye - it appears as
though God is the God of wrath imposing punishment on us;
and it is good in our blindness that we do see it as that, for then
the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. But to
continue in that misconception of God as the God of
punishment and wrath after we have become His children by
grace, and so should know better, leaves so many people who
are justified squirming under the misapprehension that God is
punishing them or has deserted them. Even when we read the
words of Moses or Paul about God hardening Pharaoh's heart
- and that God raised him up to show His power through the
hardening - we should understand that the hardening was
actually in Pharaoh's persistent, refusal to respond to Moses'
word of the Lord to him; so the hardening was of his own heart
and in himself, as one who had his being in God and was
misusing his being. That is the truth of God's wrath in His
rebellious sons, for as Paul said, the truth concerning Him is
that "God has shut them all up in unbelief that He might have
(Rom. 11:32, margin), not judgment on them.
Actually, what did God give Adam and Eve in that crisis
interview? The answer is in what was addressed to the serpent:
"You have sown your seed of enmity in My human family, so
that they are your children. But I have a seed [one seed,
Galatians 3:16] of this woman. My eternal Christ, the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world; and in all who receive
Him that Seed will destroy your seed and crush your head,
though wounded by you in the process." That promise was
experienced in its truth by Adam and Eve's second son Abel, to
whom God first witnessed that he was justified with the
offering of a slain lamb, the first symbol of an atoning death as
the gateway to life. And Adam and Eve, as they covered
themselves in the skins from slain animals, with which God
provided them, must have seen this as the first symbol of
atonement. So all God gave them, after this first disobedience
that separated them and us from Him, was His all-conquering
grace. That grace was in the One who, from that first moment,
they could and did receive by faith, and who freed them from
eternal death.
But the necessity still remained - again we say it - that for
us to become reliable sons in the love-purposes of the Father
throughout eternity, we must drink to its dregs the reality of
the opposite - the misuse of the self in self-centeredness. We
must so know it to the depth of its wrongness and misery that,
once we are wakened from our blindness in seeking to make
the false way be the true, our disgust and hate and disillusion
are so total that when and if there is a way of escape, we're "not
going to go back to that again." In that we have one secure
basis for our new "reversed way" of life. Even if we visit the old
haunts under the Lure of temptation (as it were, when God is
not looking), we're not staying there. Guilt, shame,
repentance, confession bring us shamefacedly back. Thank
God, "once bit, twice shy." A competent professional has
learned and discarded the wrong way of practicing his trade.
And so have we! Once again it is Paul's "0 the depth of the
wisdom and knowledge of God" - for God foresaw and
provided for the necessity of the human race going
the death-way and experiencing its vanity before we
could confidently tread the life-way. We are safe
as well as saved sons: not one stage in our history
is out of place,the negative any more than the positive.


Jamie said...

There's two for me...:)

Chris Welch - 07000INTUNE said...

jamie, I'm not trying to be cryptic that you have to glean ...I am genuinely working in the back rooms on your behalf here...but I wanted to do a proper's half-finished in draft.

Jamie said...


You know Im teasing you...
it's not your Job to get a list for me.

I am an aggravater. ;)

Your blog feeds me quite well; thank you, sir.

Chris Welch - 07000INTUNE said...

but I do so appreciate any of the feedback and you did make a specific request...

Anonymous said...

I haven't read The Shack or the Orphan books yet so I can't see the relationship between them and this chapter. But describing Chapter 7 as "untouchable" is right. I have been reading its equivalent in "Who am I", as well as the chapter on The Origin of Evil, over and over again lately, as I've been reading all these prophecies. I honestly can't believe that you brought up the chapter when you did.
I didn't include all of the Perfect Storm prophecy because it was even longer. But he goes on to talk about the "why" behind the storm hitting the US, and "what's" to be done about it. Here's the link to his site (hope it works)in case you want to read all of it.
Something doesn't sound quite right about it, but maybe I'm reading it wrong. It seems to be contrary to Norman Grubbs closing Chapter 7 sentence.... "..... not one stage in our history is out of place,the negative any more than the positive." Which seems like a more complete picture to me.

So anyway. I'm laughing at myself and how cross-eyed I can get thinking about all this stuff.

I love this sentence - "But to
continue in that misconception of God as the God of punishment and wrath after we have become His children by grace, and so should know better, leaves so many people who are justified squirming under the misapprehension that God is
punishing them or has deserted them."

And I'm afraid that's the best I can do for an intelligent response!

Chris Welch - 07000INTUNE said...

There is definitely 2 mes doing this blog. I expect Dan finds this too when he's doing his. There 's the me that wants to fight tooth and nail for what I believe. I hope I don't give him much room, and there's Christ Chris just feeling to do something, even when it appears to be a propos of nothing. Maybe Dan,Sheila, Julie, are writing about something different entirely.This was particularly so when I was writing on his blog a lot. So when you say "I can't believe the timing..." that's a real encouragement.
Thanks for the rest of JPJ link. I hardly know anything of his ministry yet....but someone at breakfast at RiverCAMP mentioned she'd been to a set of seminars with him , when he was talking about the 3rd Level. So I emailed to see if I could hear some.I cheekily wrote that if he's any good I'll tell him. So far haven't got to the bottom of which messages to order.