Monday 25 September 2017

Our Condition - Kay Fairchild,Michael Daniel via Cindi Estep, Chris Welch

Christine in the Vaulted Ceilings of New Forest Trees
Sin is described as a mystery- the mystery of sin. I find what Kay is seeing challenging.
You see....the Adamic is a lie...and infection...a way of seeing that is just false...
but that said it still requires the sword of the Spirit which has two edges....
one side brings down the high place falsehoods....the fact that we are not independent gods
the other side raises up the valley thoughts, the depressions , the uslessnesses, the lousy feelings....(a bruised reed He shall not break)
I put these different sides of truth to you for weighing

Kay Fairchild

20 September at 00:09 · Fort Wayne, IN, United States ·
There are several teachings that have brought much condemnation and confusion to the body of Christ, which are: Penal Substitution Atonement (PSA), Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT), and Inherited Sin Nature (ISN), from the 'fall' of Adam. We are currently doing a series entitled: Our Eternal Identity which shows that we were never separate from the Father; only in OUR MINDS did we think that we were separate, because of 'wicked works' according to Colossians 1:21. Ephesians 2:3 also records that we THOUGHT we were children of wrath, IN OUR MIND.
The early Church fathers never embraced or taught Penal Substitution, Eternal Conscious Torment, or that we inherited a sin nature from Adam's disobedience. The teaching of inherited 'original sin' began with the Jewish people believing that they were 'conceived in iniquity and born in sin'. The Catholic Church continued to teach the idea of original sin, and Augustine in the 4th century A.D. propagated that message, with John Calvin in the 16th century advancing the idea even further.
The thing which I find sad is that today many 'gracers' and 'finished work' believers still believe in an inherited sin nature, as did I did myself a few years ago. Grace is not fully embraced when we believe such an idea. For many years I ministered the idea of 'original sin' being inherited from Adam's fall, and taught that Jesus had to go to the Cross to take me out of Adam, fix me, and put me back into Himself. Jesus went to the Cross to REVEAL the love of the Father, so we could 'receive' Redemption, salvation and inheritance. The word 'receive' means: To take that which is one's OWN. We then can walk in, or experience who we have ALWAYS been. It was ours' all along. Salvation, redemption and inheritance is a discovery of what IS. The term 'born again' means in Aramaic: To remember our beginning.
Truth, if it is really the truth, never changes. It was, is, and always will be the truth. The truth about our identity and nature has never changed, but has remained what the Father declared it to be from before time began. He declared the end from the beginning according to the prophet Isaiah. Ecclesiastes 3:14 tells us that 'what God does is forever, and nothing can be added or taken away from it'. What does it mean when the Scripture refers to eternal redemption, eternal inheritance or eternal salvation? Does it merely mean that God had 'a plan' from before time, knowing that Adam would do what he did in infecting us with a 'sin nature'? If so, then Jesus was God's plan 'B' because plan 'A' failed. No, it is much deeper than that. We were eternally saved according to Ephesians 1:4 and II Timothy 1:9. We were eternally redeemed according to Hebrews 9:12. We had an eternal inheritance according to Hebrews 9:15. The problem was that we FORGOT that reality when we came here, because of mind conditioning and religion; but the incarnation reminded us once again of the eternal truth. Let us not forget that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth and brings back to our REMEMBRANCE what we knew, but had forgotten.
Let me give a few Scripture passages concerning this reality. Psalm 58:3 records: The wicked are estranged from the womb: THEY GO astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." Notice that 'they GO astray', they are not born astray. In Matthew 18:3 Jesus said that to experience the kingdom of heaven one must be converted and become as a little child. In other words, one must experience the pureness of little children, who are obviously without a sin nature. Colossians 3:25 records that 'HE that does wrong shall receive for the wrong which HE has done, for there is no respect of persons'. That reminds me of the Ezekiel 18:4 verse that says that the 'soul that sinneth, IT, (or, he/she) shall die'. This is not the result of inheriting Adam's sin nature, but because of his OWN mistaken identity, which is carnal thinking and IS death; which then leads to behavioral transgressions/sins. Now what Ezekiel 18:1-4 records is that the people were quoting a proverb saying that 'The fathers' ate the sour grapes, and it set the childrens' teeth on edge'. Meaning that the children inherited the sin that the father's committed. However, God told them that this proverb was untrue and not to be spoken anymore. He said in verse 3: "As I live, you will no longer USE this proverb." Then in verse 20 He summarizes this rule by saying: "The soul that sinneth, IT shall die. The son shall NOT bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon HIM, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon HIM." How could it be any plainer? According to Ecclesiastes 7:29 we came here UPRIGHT, but sought out many inventions. The word 'inventions' means: To think; To reckon and to have vain imaginations about our uprightness. In other words, it means to think that we inherited Adam's sin, and were in Adam, needing to be taken OUT of him (Adam) at the Cross.
Now in Psalm 51:5 is where David said that he was 'conceived in iniquity and born in sin' which was after he had his ordeal with Bathsheba. It sounds like he, in some Bible translations, was saying that he inherited his mother's sin nature which would be totally inconsistent with what we see in Ezekiel 18. Then in Psalm 22:9-10 he goes to the other extreme saying: "But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mothers' breasts. I was cast upon thee from the womb: THOU ART MY GOD FROM MY MOTHER'S BELLY." So which is it? Was David 'conceived in iniquity and born in sin', or did he come out of God from his birth? Was he the offspring of God as we all are, or did he inherit his mother's sin nature, or even Adam's sin nature?
Now there are 2 verses which I want to read in tandem and see the actual meanings of both: Romans 5:12 records: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, FOR (or because) THAT ALL HAVE SINNED." In other words, Adam INTRODUCED sin into the world, (mistaken identity), and the resulting transgression was committed because he thought he could 'DO' something to be like God, and he experienced death. However, most do not read the last part of the verse which says that: 'death passed upon all men FOR, OR BECAUSE THEY ALL SINNED'. It was not that Adam's sin became OUR sin, as in receiving an 'inherited sin nature', but mankind sinned because of their OWN mistaken identity, which then led to outward sinful behavior. Sin 'ENTERING into the world' is not the same as one inheriting a sin nature or identity from Adam's transgression. Now let us connect that verse with James 1:14-15 which records: "But EVERY MAN is tempted, when HE is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." Doesn't that remind us of Ezekiel 18:3 which states that the 'soul (itself-- my addition for emphasis) that sins, IT shall die'? Another verse which clearly shows this is Romans 3:23 which says, "For all HAVE sinned, and come short of the glory of God." The word 'HAVE' infers activity on EVERY INDIVIDUALS' part, not an inherited sin nature from Adam. God made man in HIS image after HIS likeness, and gave MAN dominion. So what we see in James 1 is that 'EVERY MAN' and 'HIS OWN LUST' brings death, not 'inherited sin' as a result of Adam's fall. Let us carefully think these things through, rather than taking what we have always believed in the past as the Gospel Truth. Other Verses of Scripture in the Old Testament that show these wonderful realities are Jeremiah 31:27-30 and Deuteronomy 24:16. Then in the New Testament, Galations 6: 5 records that 'EVERY MAN shall bear HIS OWN burden'. Mistaken identity is the problem, not a corrupted nature or Adamic identity. The problem lies 'between the ears' in the heart awareness. That is where the issues of life are released from. We must 'put on' the Mind of Christ and see from that perspective, rather than from 'man whose breath is in his nostrils'. (This teaching will be available as a youtube presentation in a couple of weeks). #KayFairchild

Cindi Estep

6 mins ·
The worst that happens to those who are truly seeking God is that they are in an almost constant state of despair. It is not depression. It goes much deeper than that and the ones that experience it can't put a finger on why it is happening or explain it and when they try to, most people think they're crazy. This is what St. John of the Cross calls the Dark Night of the Soul and it is real and terrifying. It is God's great expurgation at work in His chosen children.
Many speak of the refining fire of God as if it is a birthday party in the park. In reality the refining fire of God literally burns the hell out of you and is the most excruciatingly painful experience anyone could imagine.
It is a dangerous and deceptive business to paint a rosy and easy picture of the journey in Christ. Two of the greatest examples of God's pathway are Job and Jesus Himself. Why should a good and perfect man and the Son of the Living God not be spared suffering and we expect to be? Jesus says it is simple but He never says it is easy.
To travel the road of Christ and to truly know Him, the Father and the Holy Spirit we are purposed by God to trod that very same narrow road. But as you have heard me say many times, don't believe one single word I write or say. The Holy Spirit is within you.
What is God's best for us? Is it not the what and where of the very moment? from God's Best For You by Michael Daniel
Chris Welch:
Jesus came to His own. The Jews.
But His ministry began afresh. yes they had the old Covenant.
Yes they had an outer courts relationship with "God up there",
but His mandate was to teach "Emmanuel" "The Kingdom of heaven is at hand"
To teach God making for Himself a Home, a footstool, a Living Temple.....
To complete the Tabernacle blue print
To complete the Feasts Blue print. That was what He was saying in John 7 at the Major Feast....
That's what He was saying at the First the Passover discourse. "Hey....THIS by the way is MY BODY....the wine that you drink....MY BLOOD"
Then in Pentecost He instructed the disciples to wait in Jerusalem without actually specifying Pentecost.
( It seems they fulfil best when we have the least knowledge of it beforehand!!!!!)
But BEFORE Jesus teaching course ever began properly, Jesus qualified His disciples....both the closest, the 12, and the other 120 or so....
and He did this at the start.
5 When Jesus saw the crowds, He went up on the [a]mountain; and after He sat down, His disciples came to Him. 2 He opened His mouth and began to teach them, saying,
3 “[b]Blessed are the [c]poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5 “Blessed are the [d]gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.
6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
10 “Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Are you and I on the same page.
Some are saying all kinds of weird dispensational things....
Oh that was for the Jews....
well yes, they were at least prepared as had been God's plan...
But guess what? We in the Gentile nations are approximately where the Jews are when Jesus turned up. We have had the Kingdom leaven in its "outer courts form" like they, for around 2000 years.
That is we have had synagogue type gathering places at which instructional type material has been spoken, and we have had rabbi type figures that call themselves priests, curates, pastors, vicars.....
But now Jesus is turning up again on the large global scale, and saying have been told it is the end of Christianity....but actually it is the END of OUTERCOURTS Christianity.....
And now for my course, here is my filter, my "qualification" not of goodness...but desire....but readiness...a preparedness for the type of things that will undergo you as I install Myself into your life.

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