I'm singling them out because unbelievers and evangelicals are not baptised in the Spirit so they wouldn't know anyway.
But Pentecostals and charismatics have just spent 125 years of Sundays practicing following the Holy Spirit intently .
1.But they still have one leader .
2.They don't allow for fourteen ministry types mentioned in Paul's 3 lists . So Dave Lage and Jonathan Brenneman can't really function in stupid synagogues that people call churches.
3. They don't read 1 Corinthians 12 so they don't practice the THREE DIVERSES ....they only do one , then sit down and listen to their pastor king . Pastors are a grace gift , there are loads of them like the other ministry gifts and they aren't king over the church .
4. Why ? Jesus is . He's called Melchizedek High Priest because He's running things off Creation and He specifically says
If I be lifted up from the earth then I will draw all men unto Me . How many have noticed the all men being drawn ? Its not happening is it? Well how about doing what Jesus says then ?
5. The default state of humans since Genesis 3 is divisiveness, party spirit, schisms . Galatians 5.20
We inherited this off fallen angels who are only kept together by terror and shaming .
We have as baptised in the Spirit believers had 125 years to work through the different types of human personality . This is what Paul is addressing after the Three Diverses instructions. See 1 Corinthians 12:14-26. We have three Spiritfilled operations on Hayling Island alone within one square mile .
Catholics with an Alpha Course. Elim Pentecostals and a 70s house church derivative Pioneer church ....they all have one leader.
This is similar next door in Emsworth .
6. We are of such and such is described by Paul as an immature trait. All are ours he says .
By now he writes , you should all be kings so we might reign with you .
7. Half built towers half waged battle campaigns don't go down very well with the Godhead .
Unsalty salt and trampled underfoot comes to mind .
8. Jesus already addressed his own leaders in Israel who didn't go in themselves but stayed in the entrance blocking the way for others to come in .
All references below are comparing the work and processes of the Holy Spirit to married relationship.
" If you can receive it ?" Says Jesus of His Word.
An American couple in the 70s preached very circumspectly I might add , (it was a renewed Baptist church) , that worship was like a couple making love . A bride has to be ready....
To receive the Seed that will make a human .
We have to be ready to receive the Seed that will make a new human .....either more born again ones or our own complete transformation in Christ's heavenly life .
Kathie asked about the Diverse word I was using from the three in 1 Corinthians 12.
See, I believe we don't give birth properly in the earth ....because we don't pay a blind bit of notice to what's in the Bible.
Psalm 84 says about blessed men of God and probably manesses as well .....that they've adjusted where their strength comes from , they've adjusted the direction arrow of their agendas, they've overturned a few weeping vales and they are revealed before God in Zion . They arent a silly pastor king with a three year paper certificate in giving talks with three points.
So there are 12 of these mature overturners, but they feature once the faith level has been raised some . The first DIVERSE is Jesus on the sofa .
Here any member of the born again baptised in the Spirit Christians are led in turn contributing supernatural gifts of the Spirit or contributions from Jesus ....maybe testimony , prophetic prayer , a new song .....
This lifts the gathering to a sense of rhema Word , what God is saying now .
With heightened faith it's worth having his prepared servants or elders share deeper things .
Again. Diverse. Plural. In Africa with oral tradition maybe one hour each relieved by a bit of praise.
If its Argentina , ten to 20 minutes each . Everything has to be short and zappy.
But the idea is to be open to the Holy Spirit direct to be overshadowing the Bride ....this Diverse is called the operations of the Spirit .
The disciples used to say to Jesus ' Are you still carrying on ' And Jesus said ,' while My Father is working so must I continue to do His works '.
I guess our leftbrain equivalent has been to hear a sermon and respond at the altar . Well thats a bit formalised . Sometimes Dave and Patricia Lage just feel to exclaim ' Fire ' . And the Holy Spirit ministers accordingly.
Don't look at the world churches and think because this and this doesn't happen the Holy Spirit may have changed . Just be as attentive what the Bible says . Then we will get Bible results .
There's nothing about a Pope, a solo priest in charge, a vicar, a pastor. Just plural ministries of about 14 different types in 3 lists .....and we now have book authors, worship leaders. Prayer commanders, and podcast interviewers.
Ive lived 6 years in a Body House . I have some idea of what was happening among the disciples of all different personalities all taking Jesus yoke upon them and learning of Him . John Stevens knows some of this , but more attune to the gospels , Roffey , Horsham church were ministering in city evangelism.
All of us have fragments of Body experience ....but if we had loads of ministering thirdlevellers we would be doing all of it as City on a Hill church in every place .
The Restoration of David's Tabernacle IS in Acts , so it's not like Bethel , Winsley One Church Emsworth and David and Marie Helser are completely wrong .....it's just that Jesus in us as us , is exactly that .....pretty darned varied ....and it is God who reveals us before Himself in Zion .
Most of us don't show up yet because we only have first and secondlevel pyramid run churches and ecclesia is what the word ecclesia means .
1 John 2 ....fathers who know Him who is from the beginning ....actually means something.
So do the 5 wise virgins who have been collecting way more than one flask of oil .
Look Paul's teachings have sat in the Bible for 2000 years .
How did it take so long for an individual to re establish the gospel ? Namely Luther .
Well , EH Broadbent Pilgrim Church 1933 makes it clear the Holy Spirit was always moving, raising Bible believing groups .But another reason was Catholics had prevented people having access to the Bible themselves and any way it was in Greek and Latin and only the priests had the education to read it , so ofcourse the likelihood that it would be a priest who changed things was very high.
Why did it take 500 more years to have an actual Pentecostal Move ? Well I guess in the 100 years or more beforehand it was black slaves and who listened to slaves?
Well ,European dumbasses what do you think Joel was prophesying ? Upon your servants and maid servants.....Acts 2
I mean it's hardly hidden is it at the beginning of the only gospel of the church itself ?
Then ,[n addition, why' s it taken ( Presbyterians Brethren and Quakers excepted ) 100 years since the Holy Spirit was outpoured for Jack Fortenberry to make the discovery that every single seminary on earth is talking absolute rubbish .....and both in heaven now before the Throne under the Head Jesus AND ON EARTH TOO..
Churches are not run by a king Pope , a king priest, a king vicar or a king pastor . Obviously you don't expect a Catholic or an Anglican to know anything because they are just like BBC news anchors reading prompters religiously known as liturgy .....
But Rodney Howard Browne ,Heidi Baker ,John Wimber, Bill Johnson, Rheinhard Bonnke , Ed Miller , Benny Hinn , 100 years after the Welsh and Azusa Street waves ....and 50 years after the Jesus Move and the charismatic Move .....what on earth do we think we are reading as we read every passage of the Bible mentioning church ?
We have a little brain translator that has a readout in churchuguese or churchlish .
How about we use ecclesiaguese or ecclesialish the original church language in the Spirit?
And He ascended and gave gifts to men .
And if I be lifted up from the earth I will draw all men unto Me.
And Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB1995
[18] I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, [19] and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might [20] which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, [21] far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. [22] And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, [23] which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.
https://bible.com/bible/100/eph.1.18-23.NASB1995
Hebrews 7:15-17 NASB1995
[15] And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, [16] who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. [17] For it is attested of Him, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
https://bible.com/bible/100/heb.7.15-17.NASB1995
section 8 of affidavit > We stand by night as the Melchizedek priesthood and say we bless you out of Zion .
That's a psalm 134 thing to do .
Its a son of our Dad thing to do , because thats what He did to begin this show in Genesis 1.
He faced Darkness and said " Let there be Light ".
It has something flimsy as a match about it ....you know , you strike a match at night and there's nothing an entire dark universe can do about that .
So we are saying....no matter what voices .
No matter what media.
No matter what 250 year Adam Weishaupt plans.
Jesus , God in the flesh has come to the earth as the Light and no Satanic plan , including His death , the entirety of Rome , the iffy Bloodline of Herod and the Sanhedrin ....what Peter referred to later as the kings of the earth in psalm 2, stood against this Son of God ....He walked out of death , He ascended and Laughing , God the Father installed Jesus on the Holy hill as King of Kings and Lord of Lords .
There's nothing Satan can do about that .
It's also similar to the cloud structures over Britain right now . Days of rain and greyness ....but its only mid level vapour....the sunshine is still sunshining and if you rise in a plane , there it is , just sitting there .
So Isaiah 60 Light , as well as being great power , and anointing , oh and great angelic praise as Jesus is born , and enormous human praise through the streets of Jerusalem as Jesus rides in on a donkey, snd then again the loud praises in the streets as saints are baptised in the Spirit in Acts 2.......and as this praise sound rises in the earth among men via Rosetta Thwarp and her first electric guitar she invented to share the gospel in the streets......
So as well as that....there's this feeble announcement volume wise, and others like Brian Coatney and Albert Louis Tucker and Sylvia Pearce , that this Jesus is simply living in us as us .
This is what Jesus Himself was saying about God the Father in Him as Him , and Jews didn't like that at all . They called it blasphemy.
Can you catch what Im saying ? Im talking about Light. Like a match, in that we are just ....are-ing.
Am-ing . That's all that is required . Spontaneous living from the heart .
Satan is saying the same word he said to Eve .
Your life ....your simple AMMING in the spirit is insufficient....not powerful....you need to add to it .
But the reality is he is jealous of this life . He reviles it . He says what nonsense us claypots and poo drainpipes we are ....but we say back ..." well God breathed into us , and now in Jesus and the Holy Spirit He breathed into us again from on high . We are eating the Bread of heaven by faith ."
We are saying like psalm 19, that day to day is still pouring forth speech whatever the loud speech of identity cards and being unable to work or buy or sell without one, like Revelation 13 says ....neither death nor life nor any other thing is able to separate us from God's love , His kind intent to us , by us . And what's that ?
Well like a feeble match , we are spirit . Not flesh .
Sure, others see a soul talking with his mouth and a personality, but I am spirit going on ......and all I have to be is Light....which is just simply what God is doing ...and here's the specifying...NOT WHAT HE'S NOT DOING ...AND NOT TO AVOID WHAT HE IS DOING.
Now Matthews order things as in put things into order . That's what God does by them .
Marks do things and bless others by what they do from the heart
Lukes articulate, clarify, study to know things
Johns speak what we hear in our spirit which only really jars people when it is truth spoken amidst lies . When others speak truthful factual things it doesn't jar, does it ?
Light is simply God stuff happening.
Satan stuff is just to the left and right of God happening.
Now if we do God happening there's nothing more powerful in the universe .....even if the thing in itself is a man sitting at a well asking for a drink of a Samaritan woman and not shopping with the others . A whole blooming village came out .(John 4)
Jesus going up at the right time to Jerusalem on a donkey.....just because it was what God was doing in Him that day was so powerful that it evoked this great praise.....Hosanna in the highest .
A few days later when Jesus was being judged then beaten to a pulp and hanging in weakness on a Cross , God hadn't in fact abandoned Him . Was in no way different to being in Him as everybody praised Him . In fact scripture says God the Father was in Him reconciling the world to Himself .
But Jesus wasn't doing anything . He was just going through some prescribed events, slain as a Lamb since before creation , and prophesied about by Isaiah in chapter 53 and by David in psalm 22.
This is the Light we received , and is written in Isaiah 60. We can be this simplicity of a match .
Just believing Galatians 2.20 and Colossians 3.3
We can just do what we see God doing and not do what we don't see Him doing .....which gets really insane during times when pyramid men at the tops of house of cards make pronouncements that then they often regret making....I guess because they suddenly know within them it wasn't God doing or saying it .
This happened with the kings of Babylon rushing down to see if Daniel was still alive , after lions and fire .
Herod regretted John the Baptist's head on a plate.
We learn this single eye stuff so our bodies are filled with Light in 1 Corinthian 12 gatherings , so that when our wives and step daughters follow the Queen of frazzledrip and push through divorces based on this , we know not to go there with them , and later its confirmed that's what it's all been about . A Mother of Darkness honouring her Egyptian Deity (section 8)with Tom Hanks frazzledrip emblem on a basket ball in a film .
How did any of us know what to do or not to do ? By training our senses in righteousness....which with us also means watching the fallout when we ourselves don't do that .
That's what 1 Corinthians 12 and also speaking in tongues trains us in ....in more spectacular ways which is quite flash isn't it ?
The fact that any born again baptised in the Spirit person can move in supernatural gifts. Its God's out of the ordinary way of training us later in the ordinary but with exactly the same sensitivity.
Prophesy to the Breath , come from the Four Winds .
Tabernacles comes in waves .
How do we know ?
Because of how its structured .
First Trumpets ....like a prototype/ beta version / early product samples / trailers of films
Then Day of Atonement . Jews have been so hung on their cutesie say sorry to God each year ...they missed Jesus .....they kicked out Acts Jerusalem Church which was the first advertorial for true ecclesia rollout in every known city ....not the rubbish teaching house Ishmael man made things up high streets . Christians are as clueless as Jews none more so than Americans .....
Apart from perhaps Amish , Hutterites , Bruederhof who start to get with it .
At One ment works in the Cross but only, only inside the Ephesians Romans teachings experienced in our souls .
Oh I understand Romans 8 bud !!!
No you don't.
Only a full Body working will operate At One ment and Romans 8 properly .
The Catch 22 is that one is contingent upon the other ....Body is built by that which each supplies but what you have to supply relies on the Four Quartile ( 4 living beings scanned across humans see book Surrounded by Idiots ) Crown of 12 stars ( think a Spirit version of natural jury )input that each have.
But we have already had early Trumpets versions rolled out .
You see 12 were mature in Acts 2, and the 120 weren't that far behind ...remember ....they were taught by God in the flesh....it was gonna be good .
So in all the span of history you can think of Acts as the Feast of Trumpets early warning to principalities and powers .
So you've got a whole sequence...Trumpets , Atonement, Feast of pouring out of water , Feast of Ingathering.
Don't be put off by Satan ....the god of forces way of working .
He's limited and hes blooming good at working within his limitations.
He builds pyramids of cards that look really overwhelming by size .
He uses brainwashing which at the end of the day is just shifting winds of doctrine and fresh deeper discoveries of our amazing creation.
He harvests all patents and literally hides and suppresses all the great ones , developing them under the earth .
If you want a meme of his operation think of Baal priests pouring water everywhere systematically to block the work of the anointed Elijah.
The 60s were a super example of that .The 60s looked spontaneous but it took decades of planning to set all the alarm clocks off at once .
The church of England sank to a depth not seen since Catholics sold indulgences to kill the Albigensian Bible believers . No joke , you youngsters . We had Angican Bishops saying they didn't believe in the Virgin birth of Jesus nor His resurrection.
Well God doesn't move in piece by piece building only . God moves in Ruach . God moves in Breath .
God is Perez Uzzah...God of Breakthrough.
Nobody factored in the voluntary prison Intercession and cutting out of the tongue of Watchman Nee by the Chatham House /Chinese Communists . Loads were praying ofcourse but precious are the lives of God's saints . Ever was so with the lives of the imprisoned apostles.
Even Torben Sondergaard , Cali Shea Bergandi , Grey, Wilfred Wong Fosse Way prison UK, even non Christian truther Alex Belfield and German less atheist than before , Reiner Fuellmich .
God sees our nation's rulers doing these things in the Isaiah 59 pattern of corrupt spiders web justice ......but each time He rolls up His sleeve to show His arm of righteousness and a fresh wave of Isaiah 60 Light and Isaiah 61 power anointing happens.
Jews might still want to fantasise about their Jesusless world ....but one day they will wake like Muslims are waking up and even the occasional Brit wakes up though held in City of London and Chatham House / Tavistock BBC spells of the mind .
So don't be deceived by the Devil's Intricate wizard of Oz way of working ......
All God does is breathe and Adam stands up aged
about 33
All God does is breathe and the Acts 2 Adam 2.0 stands up , age 33, because thats the eternal age of the Indweller .
But now over the whole earth Ezekiel 37 says
Prophesy to the Breath ," Come from the Four Winds".
1. I've used the same task bar link to Google for years but it now says the page is unsafe . That's Google .
2. There was a gadget that invited people to become followers . Its on the left hand side of the page. Can't it be added to any more?Why has it remained static for 10 years or more ? Is it blocked?
3. I raised the issue again this week on the 11th about the AI description of this blog on Google which refers to a completely irrelevant definition which proves AI does no search of any site before telling the world what it thinks the definition is . This matter was raised with Google themselves weeks ago when I was shocked to read the AI paragraph.
4. Sister company YouTube doesn't seem yo allow likes on this week's YouTube posts .
A couple of friends in different nations have been testing it out.
5. How does the blog change to https? Secure page ?
There's Matthew doctrine , Mark doctrine , Luke doctrine and John doctrine .
They each do conferences .
They each do churches up high streets .
This post was triggered by a Romans 7 son
g written by a Romans 3 to 5 saint .
Anybody fascinated by studying things , look into the connection between action - based Marks , who Im convinced have one skin less than the other three quartiles , but it means they find the whole Genesis 3 thing harder to get . And then when you look at thrice or four times dead Dave Lage and some of the apostles like Peter , how much do you need to get hold of if you've had a touch to the depths of your being by the Lord ?
So the posts these last two days have been the recognition that there is a cherub face quartile .
Ezekiel 1 has man,lion, ox , eagle
Ezekiel 10 cherub, man , lion , eagle
Revelation 4 actually describes each as a whole creature lion , calf , man , eagle , and surely that's most like the gospel writer sequence Matthew Mark Luke John , and the Four Woods sequence . Leviticus 23
Comely front of house tree
Productive fruitful trees
Old sturdy tree
Willow tree .
Coming from where St Paul was , which was straight out of Judaism , he now had a new life in Christ , but he had personally overseen the death of a beautiful saint, so even once converted he was an outcast , once for being a Jew and meeting the living heavenly Christ and a second time being shunned by converted Jews for what he had done .
So here was Jesus living Paul's new life which he was having to learn , and he went into Arabia where I guess he learned tent making .
Paul calls it dying to the Law , but as Norman Grubb goes deeper, and in fact as Jesus modelled in only doing what He saw the Father doing , and as we are presented with two or three classes ofc things that train us .....going into our inner room , learning 1 Corinthians 12, and going the second mile in situations....
We are learning Jesus in us as us in our form .
It's not " I don't have to bother...." as regards Law , it's the Law of the Spirit of life . Or as Nancy Gilmore put it , ' being on location for God '.
That's an alternative for Romans 12.1.
And here is what it meant for Jesus in John 4.
Hanging around at a well with a woman , and you're meant to be a rabbi .
That woman was Samaritan .
That woman was onto her 5th man .
And He'd let the disciples go off and do the donkey work with the shopping .
There's nothing about that that looked good .
It seemed like a total Law breaker at every level .
But Jesus had an extraordinary gift of utterance.
How many people could you share those same things with today , 2000 years later? These are Spirit and life things .
The woman even brought out her entire village to meet Jesus .
What I'm trying to say is it's not just purely ' dying t Law ' is it....it's learning your new Creation person from above and how it works for Matthew Mark Luke and Johns . ( read Surrounded by Idiots ).
Ephesians 4 says the Body is joined by that which each supplies when it is working properly .
In the charismatic movement we have solo pastors regaling congregations with Romans 3 t 5 tales....which though necessary, because we have to unhinge from Law and performance living .....nevertheless, and Im speaking about a recent church situation, this isn't yet ' working properly '.
Working properly is getting right off Genesis 3 and learning Jesus in us as us . It's spiky to listen to because it addresses the Genesis 3 stuff in other people.
Yet this is where God's power is .
This is the circumcision of the heart of Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36.
Its interesting watching Jesus in real time in the gospels. He'd only been baptised in the Spirit a few weeks . So He went from the John 4 incident , straight into John 5 and the Bethesda pool raising of the lame man . Because the guy was carrying his pallet that was work on the Sabbath . Then the religious people were getting angry and to make things worse Jesus is saying the stuff He's been learning in ministering. " I must do what I see my Father doing " .
This led into John 6, praying up the mountain , walking on water ,then beginning to teach about this new Bread ....which is kind of like His Matthew 6.22 teaching ....if your eye be single your body shall be filled with Light .
By John 7 Jesus was grasping that He was the Feast of Tabernacles ....His ministry was transparent and on show as is the Feast of Tabernacles .
Like Feast of Thanksgiving which is a Tabernacles inspired event, as good as they are now , everything is hampered by the amount people really know Jesus , and can be fully ' them ' in this new off Genesis 3 lifestyle.
So John 7 was when Jesus kicked off the true version , which will be manifest more and more by ecclesia , not just on Sunday meetings but as City on a Hill .
Various groups have tried this over centuries.
Amish . Hutterites . Bruederhof communities.
Ecclesia is both an accelerator , and a revealer.
And its a Catch 22 dependent on the amount we want revealed and the amount we want Jesus to come forth in us .
For example , the first Church in Jerusalem was there for all to join . With 12 1 John 2 third stage of growth leaders it really was held in high honour by pretty much all , but the Bible says people were afraid to join because they didn't want their dark deeds to be revealed.
But that is the sequence of Light here on earth.
Passover Pentecost Tabernacles .
These are states in the Spirit .
Jews got so far .
Christians have got so far .
Its just leaving Genesis 3....not just in our spirit beings in meetings , but all the remaining ties in our souls .
It's praying through the inner parts of the Lords Prayer .
These are all the connections keeping principalities and powers attached to the earth.
Each church has a window to build a completed Tower . Some , like Jerusalem church were so good they were persecuted out of Jerusalem .
The Body is joined by that which each supplies when it is working properly..
It's a Temple not made with hands. We aren't to build it . Ofcourse as the Lord leads we do precisely what He tells us ....but the overarching truth is ....unless the Lord builds the House those who labour labour in vain .
Now there are phases ....some circuitous routes we have chosen ourselves which God works to good ....but how slow compared to simply reading the Word and letting the Holy Spirit teach us .
OK Jesus ....that'll be the God of heaven and earth Jesus .....did not do a thing ministry wise for 30 years .
So that was slow . But he raised 12 apostles from.scratch .....or Jewish scratch ....not pagan scratch ....in 42 months.
12 thirdlevel 1 John 2 .....knowers of Him who is from the beginning in 42 months .
I keep repeating that ....not just for you ....but for me .
Christine always said that the military nurses and doctors back off war zones ...nevertheless doing some periods in QA Portsmouth were characterised by their proactive questioning of the new nurses .....
" Have you done this yet ? Do you know about that yet?" Like M.A.S.H series on the field somebody could be dead tomorrow and their skills lost , so they are all about passing skills on .
Jesus had only been baptised in the Spirit a few weeks. It was just like the Jesus Move . Anything we learned at 13 or 14 we passed on . We weren't going to die tomorrow....but Late Great Planet Earth implied Jesus would be back by 1975.
42 months .
Ephesians 4 states all ministry is for perfecting the saints and equipping them for ministry....period
We have just lived through a transition period ...similar to David but ofcourse different.
As fast we were finding things out ,Fort Lauderdale wanted to squeeze them into their traditional chests of drawers and pigeon holes .
Kansas City Shepherds conference
Why's that ?
Because a solo pastor runs the Church.
Where's it say that ?
Well Jesus did ?
Yes well He had no option . There wasn't anybody else who was bringing in the New Covenant and He had to learn a lot on the hoof . Perhaps because He knew how tough it was when He ascended He changed the rulebook . He gave gifts to men so it would be like in the OT with multiple elders and multiple priests. Now everybody who is born again and baptised in the Spirit is a functioning priest .
Perfecting the saints is a believing thing ....as we see , believe and confess we can change surroundings . Its not a Jewish Old Covenant struggling thing . Hence why in Communion....
whatever isn't lining up...we hold up the bit of bread and cup of wine and declare the already gained victory .
See this Bread devil !!! That's me dead in Christ on my main spirit being. It's over,!!!
See this wine devil. This is every last drop of the wrath state of my contaminated spirit man....Jesus has filled me with His own life in my form as me .
Equipping is leading people into situations where they can see the overcoming power of Jesus Name working. As led by the Holy Spirit different members will impart what they have in the Spirit in Word substance or Holy Spirit anointing.
The first verses of 1 John 1 ministry protocol revolves around Testimony. What have we eaten of Christ.
The body of Christ builds itself up in love joined by that which each joint supplies .
Discipleship so far has been cutesie house meetings or Roffey or YWAM evangelism on streets....
It looks like what is in the Bible .....but it isn't is it?
Its a cheap two level gospel .....day one message.
Repent , be baptised in water get filled with the Spirit. Where's the 30 years outside ministry that the God of heaven still had to do to get human life under His belt as man?
Where's our acknowledging of God and Galatians 2.20 reality in all our ways when we started from a complete standing start after a 6000 year cultural history of living as though Genesis 3 serpent lie was ever real ?
No wonder this has taken a bit longer than Jesus .
Neither Bonnke nor Cerullo or David Hathaway factored in the normal living bit .
This is zöe. This is us believing upon a heavenly life out of nowhere that we cant see so we don't just fall back into living in that ' alone-I ' kind of way that unsaved do lashing out and pinching and poking and manipulating their way through perched on a mathematically impossible pyramid where 4 billion live on 5 dollars or under a day and many don't...
They starve or fall ill .
This is the generation of those who seek the face of the God of Jacob ps.24.
We aren't playing rabbi synagogue or cutesie home meeting games.......we're in something more lke MASH and having to learn as much as we can as quick as we can . This is ecclesia . It may not be like American two stage of growth church or European And UK one stage of growth church but this is the only 1000 page guidebook we have written by the Holy Spirit .
The answer was obvious from Day One , because God did the spoiler alert with the skins and the declared roles of each party, Adam , Eve , snake.
The folly condition does not want to hear. It cannot hear . The Calvinist truth....although it's only one side , is true . No man comes to Jesus unless the Father draw him .
Its humanly impossible to be born again . John 1.11 Jews show clearly that its not a human bloodline thing . Its not a human desire thing . Its not even a stoic Anglican resolve thing which has been demonstrated by unconverted unborn again Anglicans and Catholics before that for centuries.
We have to be born again by God . The whodunit is obvious and non obvious . John 3 says we can tell the Holy Spirit in the same way as wind we can see moving leaves or blowing this way or that .
We can tell Satan who is a spirit in the same way. He scans himself over kings ....(he operates in hierarchies) as Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. Another passage about one of his minions operating just like him is Leviathan Job chapter 38 The whodunit is Satan scanned across us and the turn key is the independent self ....which is a lying state. Its a glovepuppet state with his hand up your bum .
Romans 7 is the shocking reveal . When a charismatic goes through Romans 7 they become a real human being again and nolonger legacy , Evangelical or charismatic Christian , because now Jesus becomes locked in a person's soul as well . Even while still failing miserably, fourth quartiles demonstrate true humanity early , and they write the music , or write the plays or like Lonnie Frisbee , lead the Jesus Revolution based on firsthand encounter with Jesus .
Outside of Jesus we really don't recognise each other , that's the Four Woods reference in Tabernacles .
Jews are so sold under carnality and skyscrapers that they actually call the Willow Tree unproductive and useless, not knowing they are the intercessory engine ....see psalm 126.
The last person you should ask about Tabernacles is a Jew . Jesus opens up Pentecost and Tabernacles once we are born again and baptised in the Holy Spirit . That was City on a Hill Church that Jesus saw through to His ascension , and tgat Jews cast out from among them . But so have all denominations.
Who wants Jesus live ? Not the serpent spirit of folly.
Imagine New World Order wire you up as they have started to and their AI now treats you with the same care as a website?
Just imagine if you have published an enormously important book on traffic circulation which could make all our towns speed up by 30% but your name happens to be Harry Worth, the same as a 60s BBC comedian who lived right behind us in Berkhamsted.
Traffic circulation is very non sexy as a subject though it has the potential of blessing a huge number of lives world wide. So you are hoping your studies get seen in the book but every reference to you as a human ignores what you are doing and then goes on to describe how the 1960s Harry worth used to stand sideways on to shop windows to make it look like both feet were lifting off the floor. Its a very funny meme, but if you are trying to speed up the efficiency of the entire world, AI is effectively deleting your world role.
Audio Version of Torben's post read by me and then with the angle I'm seeing.
𝗜 𝗗𝗼𝗻’𝘁 𝗕𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗛𝗼𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝗖𝗵𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝗔𝗻𝘆𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲… 𝗟𝗲𝘁 𝗠𝗲 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗻 by Torben Kjaer Sondergaard The Last Reformation
I don’t believe in only the house church anymore.
But let me explain — because I do believe in the Church, the body of Christ.
I see a problem with the way many house churches function today.
Yes, they are beautiful! I love the closeness, the opportunity for everyone to share, the sense of family, and the focus on the Word of God. Meeting in homes, breaking bread together — this is all powerful and biblical.
But… it’s not the only thing we should be doing.
When the Holy Spirit was poured out in the Bible, it wasn’t just on the twelve — it was on the 120!
That bigger gathering was so important, and I see how we need that today as well.
Many house churches miss that. They have become inward-focused — a small, safe group just having a “kumbaya” time together. Not all, but many. And when that happens, they lose the outward focus of reaching the multitudes like Jesus did.
But I also don’t believe that big church meetings alone are the answer either.
Yes, something special happens when the larger body gathers — when we encounter God together, when the fivefold ministry is at work, when there are more resources and the ability to send people out.
But if that’s all we do, we’re still missing something.
The same goes for evangelism.
I believe in going out on the streets — sharing Jesus with people, seeking and saving the lost, leaving the 99 to find the one. That’s what Jesus sent us to do. And yes, there’s something so powerful about that!
But if that’s all we focus on — just evangelizing without discipleship, family, or community — that too becomes unhealthy.
So what do I believe in?
👉 I believe in all of it.
We need the one-on-one.
We need the house gatherings.
We need the larger gatherings.
We need to reach the lost.
Over the years, I’ve seen how easily we divide it up:
Some people only do evangelism.
Some only do small house groups.
Some only do big church meetings.
But when we separate it like that, we lose the full picture.
It’s like seasons.
There was a time in my life when I only focused on the big meetings.
Then there was a season where I focused only on the one — the person on the street.
Then came the season of house churches — and I thought, “Now we’ve got it!”
But I realize now that we missed something important.
I truly believe this next season will be different — a season where we bring it all together.
Because when all of it comes together — something truly unique happens.
I recently shared a teaching called “The Model of Jesus” where I speak more about this.
It’s been an eye-opener for many people.
You can find the video below.
In it, I talk about how Jesus:
• Was discipling the twelve,
• Mentoring the three,
• Pouring out the Spirit on the 120,
• Reaching the multitude,
• Finding time for the one,
• And always finding time to be alone with God.
That’s the model we are called to follow.
That’s the church I believe in. ❤️
Following the Model of Jesus – We need it all, a key element in disciple-making.
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Chris- The Total Solution Word....The Abide / Truth/Total Freedom Word builds Full Spectrum Crown of 12 Stars City on a hill ecclesia, which contains all the things Torben lists as we read the gospels and Acts.
There was a reason why this got cut short and I'd forgotten that . The last sentence was about how the 6000 year concentration on the Knowledge of Good and evil has diverted us from the true root of the problem.....that we cant mimic or be like God .....the whole moon reflection idea is nuts .....hence the Revelation 12 1 idea . We have to be containers of God and live out from His empowerment.....having our face shining like the sun because it is the psalm 19 Bridegroom of our souls. Only Satan believes he can live separately from Source ...which he can't.
The table tennis game of Good and evil isn't even the game. The Game is learning to come out of the dualism lie and live from Jesus Zöe from out of heaven life birthed now in our born again spirits .
Two reasons are in my brain 1. I am at least part fourth quartile . Their role is to curate spirit in the earth . The other three quartiles think this is weird. Its the norm because spirit is who we are with a soul attached ....and when we die our spirit just leaves the building ( body ) and possibly peers down on the bed where we lay and maybe observes how mucky the tops of our cupboards are. However the Matrix raises us as hamsters ready for their hamster wheels and tells us we are self determining self powered independent souls ploughing between choices of good and bad . Protocols of Zion says For Heavens sake , don't allow the plebs to find out what humans really are ( spirit main beings )or else they will unite and overthrow us . 2. I spent 12 years of my life going to an order called the modern Methodists . This is completely wrong for my Living Being Frequency and is really geared to Marks and Lukish Marks . But in addition , the order doesn't resemble the Bible at all . Marks think it does because they see the whole world through a helping others lens . What's wrong with that ? All the Marks chorus . Well the gospel precedes helping others with a proper exchange of spirit and empowering of that spirit . John 3 and John 4. Wesley's foundation was stripped out by organised endeavour because Methodism had so impeded the Weishaupt 1776 plans. Jesuits came in with their higher German criticism. Rockefeller was so impressed with UK he sponsored a similar action in 1908 and the result is churches like Diana Diana experienced .
But I became an atheist which is the strongest protest a 12 year old Methodist raised kid could make . I didn't enjoy my atheism. I was inside the deepest 12 months of depression of my life . I had no raison d'être in my deepest parts . The Presence of God in the Billy Graham films and in the youth themselves who'd already converted in the Jesus Move sensitised me like baby chick's or ducks to follow the first thing I really knew was Parental in the eternal sense .
When I was baptised in the Spirit .....my years awful depression sensitised me to God saying ( effectively) ....you know .....I don't dwell in the holy place....I live in the Centre of My Temple , in the Holiest Place . And that's where the fire is . Baptism in the Spirit with fire . That's where the thirteen and fourteen year olds David Hathaway UK , Morris Cerullo US Jewish orphanage , and this son of two physics teachers that at one point taught UN President Kofi Annan physics .....took the fire of God into their environments. My environment was Dr Challoners GS Amersham UK .
David Hathaway and Morris Cerullo were happy to tear round with the gospel, but I knew something at my centre wasn't working. I knew ....I guess because of the darkness of my atheism...that Basilea Schlink , Richard Wurmbrand , Ed Miller , JORGE PRADAS "PAPI" , Sam Fife and his third Feast brethren , Bob and Rose Weiner's studies.....KNEW SOME THINGS . Watchman Nee too ....though he said his books were collected notes of preachings before hed had time to really ' get the stuff '.
I am sensitized by the baptism of the Spirit with fire to the articulation that comes through St Paul and the mystic phrases of St Peter and James , but recently through GH Warnock and Norman Grubbs 60 year ministry search with his Holy Spirit Word based Cambridge mind in Yes IAm book .
Ladies and gentlemen.......Legacy churches readout a lot of thirdlevel authors but haven't a clue how to get you there. Evangelicalism get very serious about material of the first 5 Jerusalem Gates of the gospel ( Nehemiah ) but then they block the power of the Holy Spirit to perform it . Gates 6 Fountain Gatev , 7, Water Gate and Gate 8 Horse Gate are intrinsically connected. The power of intercession in the heavenlies is a released ecclesia .
Morris Cerullo , David Hathaway and Rodney Howard Browne ( Lake , EEAllen , Jeffries , Wigglesworth , Bonnke , and especially Morris with his new anointing message ofcourse ) are all taking us to the DOUBLE BLESSING DOUBLE PORTION POWER OF GATE 11....GATE OF EPHRAIM. But all of them , even Sam plane crashed Fife forget the main switch .....which is why Pentecost is only the second Feast .
David Hathaway is flogging a dead horse trying to get his four legged Pentecost up to the top of the Hill of ascent. Sam Fife too .....although like Morris , they had introduced continuous ministry by Cross spectrum ministries.
But nobody, nobody trusts Jesus at all . They won't leave their pyramids. The power is in the tenth and eleventh gate ....and the 12th gate which is the Prison or Warder Gate . That's a Lamb .....way of great power thing.
We are priests . I hate the stench of the pyramid order . We are priests under the Great High Priest of the Order of Melchizedek . We have a single eye . Our bodies are tingling with Light . This is what Matthew 5 and 6 are saying . This is what going into your inner room is . This is what THREE DIVERSES CHURCH of 1 Corinthians 12 is training our eye to do . You cant all say Jesus snuck it by you . Room 101 Beattitudes says Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God . That's why at the equivalent point in Psalms of Ascent Room 101.. we leave the spirit of the workd which is pyramids and Leviathan violence 120, we completely relearn supply 121, we let ourselves be joined in Christ's Body 122 and we learn the new Melchizedek order 123. Bill Johnson , Rodney Howard Browne , Joel Osteen may like promoting the 1700 year old solo priest , vicar , pastor synagogue but the one the Gates of hell fear is the model created by Jesus with Gate of Miphkad installed by the power of the Spirit .....City on a Hill ecclesia . Roof with holes 4 woods tabernacles .
