The End Times and Christ in us Part 1

This is a two parter - I think. (And for your homework!) in Part One I would like you to read an End Times article by David Hathaway from his most recent Prophetic Vision magazine.It maybe the Americans can skip this bit, because if any nation of Christians is "End-timed out" it's the USA. The Brits however don't even know the Bible talks about such things. All our traditional churches have cleverly erased these parts from their schematics. This again , is not true in Norway, and perhaps of all the European nations they have defined themselves by being anti EU, because for them it is the return of the Roman Empire. Now I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but those who are unfamiliar with such things...read on from here:

'Conspiracy theory' is not new. The whole world has been in a power strug­gle since the devil first tempted Eve to disobey God. 'Evil imaginations continu­ally' (Genesis 6:5), the rise and fall of kingdoms and empires, are the stuff of Bible and world history.
Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. Our prayers and our witness cannot change prophecy, but can change the part indi­vidual nations and persons may play.
Revelation 13 speaks of the 'dragon' who gives his power to three 'beasts', to con­trol every tribe and people and tongue and nation, everyone whose name is not recorded in God's Book of Life. That is why we, as believers, have such a vital task - to preach the Gospel of God's Kingdom! Three spheres of human life are involved in Satan's plan - politics, reli­gion and finance - the final control not being in the hands of the politicians or religious leaders, but the world financiers - 'no one will be able to buy or sell with­out the mark, the name or the number of the beast' - Revelation 13:17.The Freemasons and later the Illuminati, have long been considered key players in this end-game. The Rev Charles Finney, a great 19th century American evangelist, was a mason before his con­version. What he knew of the higher lev­els of that organisation fuelled his zeal to proclaim the simple Gospel of the lord­ship of Jesus Christ throughout the world. Dr Torrey and the Rev DL Moody, also leading evangelists, joined him in denouncing freemasonry. What was wrong? Albert Pike, freemason and leader of the Illuminati in the USA, wrote in 1889: 'LUCIFER, God of light and God of good is struggling for humanity against ADONAI, the God of darkness and evil ...

The world will come to US for its sover­eigns and pontiffs. WE shall constitute the equilibrium of the world and be RULERS OVER THE MASTERS OF THE WORLD.' [But in reality Lucifer is the devil himself, whilst Adonai is the God of the Bible and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and it is Christ who is to rule the world. This is why for the mason, black is white and white is black - the chequered black and white decor is a very symbolic motif in masonic lodges. - Editor]
On 1 May (the day now celebrated by socialists and communists alike) 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a Bavarian, founded the Order of the Illuminati. Immersed in the occult and with the reputation of a human devil, the very practical goal of his secret society was to bring to fulfil­ment the plans of freemasonry and cre­ate a NEW WORLD ORDER by gaining a foothold in the key policy-making circles of European government. They had six strategies to destroy existing govern­ments/nations: abolition of monarchy and national sovereignty, abolition of pri­vate property and inheritance, abolition of traditional family life and religion. Today this has almost been accom­plished.
Only a few years after their formation, the Illuminati were the power behind the1789-94 French Revolution and the 'reign of terror', that threatened to topple the whole of Europe. (Britain was only saved from revolution by the preaching of the Wesley Brothers and others, turning the nation back to God.) Fifty years later, in 1847, the Illuminati formed the Communist League and commissioned Marx to write the 1848 Communist Manifesto. NB. Richard Wurmbrandt's book Marx and Satan - see my book list - goes into more detail about how Marx began as a Christian. He then completely dedicated himself to the devil and describes various experiences. All this happened before he wrote Das Kapital. Marxism, from these very roots, was never spiritually neutral. It was the Illuminati who financed Lenin's October Revolution in 1917 that threatened to sweep theEvery time there is a world crisis, some­one publicly speaks of 'new world order' and 'one world government'. Prime Minister Gordon Brown did just this when he delivered a televised speech to British Industry (CBI) on 20 May this year. He indi­cated with approval in his voice, that the world financial crisis and climate change together have precipitated the world fur­ther in this direction, faster than he had dared hope. His official website published a transcript: 'We are now going to have to deal with bigger problems than the global economy... A low-carbon econo­my is in the interests of the whole world. But we will have to develop a level of international cooperation to deal with these problems, that is unprecedented and has now to be achieved far more quickly than I could have thought possi­ble a few months ago.'

Money is key. Two centuries ago, the founder of the great Rothschild banking empire said: 'Give me control over a nation's economy, and I care not who writes its laws.' Throughout the 19th cen­tury, the International Bankers gained control of central banks in most European nations - any 'nationalisation' is cosmetic. In America the International (European) Bankers used the massive debts of the American civil war to take control: Congress was forced to pass the National Banking Act in 1863 of which Abraham Lincoln warned, "The Money Power preys upon the nation in times of peace and adversity... / see a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will fol­low ... until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed."

The American Federal Reserve system, founded in 1913, is not a government controlled bank, but yet another central bank in private hands. Charles Lindberg Snr fought the Federal Reserve Act say­ing, "When the President signs this bill the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... the worst leg­islative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."
Where has all this led, where is it lead­ing? The enormous debt being created in the US is so devaluing the US dollar (which is the world's reserve currency), that China, probably the world's richest nation, and holding vast amounts of US dollars, has joined with other nations, including Russia, to propose a new dol­lar, a new euro and a third asian curren­cy. - Or even finally, the establishment of a new single world reserve currency to replace the US dollar - probably by cre­ating a new world bank out of the International Monetary Fund. This could easily lead to the situation where no one would be allowed to change the 'old money' for the new, or indeed, buy or sell without a chip in hand or forehead, potentially leading to the mark of the beast, Rev 13:16-18.
Existing empires, which are becoming stronger, would all be controlled by the Illuminati. The Club of Rome, founded in 1968, has already divided the world into ten political/economic regions (Daniel 2:41-43, Rev 17:12?!) known as 'king­doms'. These are: North America, Europe, Japan, Australia, Russia, South America, North Africa and the Middle East including Israel, Central and Southern Africa, India and Malaysia, and China. But history has proved, the Illuminati will use war, as also debt mountains, to accomplish their ultimate purpose - which is world domination, which will only be prevented by the Return of Christ!
For 200 years the Illuminati have been steadily gaining control of nations, put­ting Satan/Lucifer's programme into effect; through the infiltration and cre­ation of influential bodies; by financing wars and uprisings, then rebuilding these same war-stricken lands (Europe, Ireland, the Middle East); also through the artifi­cial control of essential commodities (do you remember the unforeseen price hike in basic foods - rice and flour - at the beginning of 2008? - and energy price hikes); through the control of finance (eg the withdrawal of normal, short-term credit and the domino collapse of busi­nesses); - all part of the crisis route to one world government.
Will it take a further financial collapse or World War III, a Middle East conflict, to finally compel a trembling world to accept world government - under the Antichrist?
World destabilisation brings FEAR and anxiety into the hearts and minds of ordi­nary people; a genuine longing for world peace makes many willing to let go of their own convictions and to regard the values of others as equal. One
weapon in the hands of the devil and of those who represent him will be worldwide worship of the beast -Revelation 13:8. Many agree with the words of the Dalai Lama: 'The core of all religions is the same.' But the Bible warns that if you do not receive the truth about your salvation, you will instead receive
a strong delusion and, like the
Dalai Lama, believe a lie! - 2
Thess 2:10-11.
But just as there will be a 'mark of the beast' for those who adhere to this world's system, there is a mark of faith con­ferred by Christ, the deposit of the Holy Spirit in you, guar­anteeing your inheritance in Christ - Eph 1:13-14. If you believe, you cannot, you will not let Him go! He is your only hope, now under this world's corrupt system, and for eternity. We should not be afraid! We can safely put our trust in Him, because God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life! - John 3:16. That word 'perish' has an altogether more relevant meaning not just for eternity, but for the very days in which we are living now!

Jesus is coming anytime now! The real ministry of believers is not to form 'social, self congratulatory clubs', but to prepare themselves and the world for Him. Believers on earth are the body of Christ - we are inheritors of His power and authority. We are empowered by His Spirit who raised Him from the dead! We are not only able, but commanded, to do what Jesus did on earth, to fulfil the 'follow-up' ministry to His earthly ministry. Our job is the preparation for His return and for His world government!
Everything which is happening in the spiritual time-scale today, now, is in preparation for the Second Coming of
Jesus. If we believe Christ is coming, we will prepare ourselves. But not by a passive 'spirituality', but by actively obeying His command to preach the Gospel, saving souls from hell fire!

The Amersham Song

Love Story

This is Jamie Weeks latest post.
"So...I was talking to Dev the other day and I began to tell her how much I ABSOLUTELY ADORED my Pandora stations. I began to name the different artists on my Ray Lamontagne station and Dev said, "Mommy! You're into alternative rock; you're EMO! " ME?!? Emo?? LOL All I know is I DO have a decided inclination for a guy singing accompanied by nothing much more than an acoustic guitar. But Death Cab For Cutie? HA! Who would have figured that?
So, naturally, I had to talk to Jesus about it; He is, after all, my Best Guy. We were walking down a dirt road in my mind, kicking pebbles out of the way as we walked, linked hands swinging between us, as the setting sun sank behind the trees. And the conversation was easy and natural, like it always is, and punctuated with much laughter, this was after all, ME! .............."


What follows is a great conversation between her and God and an even greater communication of something.
As Frank Viola writes in "From Eternity to Here", God the Father is after a house that He can call home, but He is also about fixing up a Bride for His Son. While this is going on, how it looks on our insides is Christ is forming Himself as me. A Union - not a separate identity thing - is going on. And all three things are happening at once. But, as it was for Adam before and after the Fall, God sees the whole deal from beginning to end. In Adam's case He had to call to him in the garden..."Where are you hiding..?" Then He made a covering for Adam and Eve. But even before the Fall, God related with Adam where he was at.
In seeing our union with Him, we have to understand God loves us now. Jesus loves us now. We feel we have to fix ourselves up first. But God finds this humdrum creation thing perfect. This handful of mud atoms , which He forms into "us- shapes"
then breathes His life into us....
He finds all that totally acceptable.
He also finds it totally acceptable that we are not there yet. That we have off days and on days.
So is that the same as being relaxed over sin?
No. But here we can learn a healthy taste of hell that our sins cause. Our fingers are burnt. And we learn on our insides that His way really is the only way that works. But He is still loving us just the same from the day we were born (actually He loved Us way before) to the day we die.He loves the whole thing. He doesn't love sin. But He does love that doing it this way, if we sin, we don't die forever...it's less permanent learning the way of heaven this way, than it was for the devil's angels. And He loves that He thought this one up from the very beginning. And He loves that this outside creation thing, gets to be the perfect way of forming Christ on our insides.

So when an Augustine writes that creation and the formed universe is a bad thing, and only our relationship with Christ is a good thing...well this is way oversimplified...but there are "gnostic tendencies in his writings". Gnostic finds greater expressions in the Eastern religions. Spirit is good. The material is bad. But through the Catholic Church a trend of this continues to this day.

This ,friends, is gnosticism. More can be read in John Crowder's book "The New Mystics" (abbreviated)
To have trust in God means we have trust in where we are at. The whole deal. In His powers to stoop over this ball of mud, form it, then "kiss" it with the breath of Life. To deny the mud gets into Eastern religion territory.
When the apostle John says the test for true religion is "Does it say Jesus the Son of God came in the flesh?" This is the same sort of thing. The growing up Jesus was acceptable to God the Father. It was totally acceptable for the Son to spend 33 years maturing as a man, and being tested on all points....only in His case...without sinning. Which is good news for us. Because it means His life is fully road-tested and works! And it is this actual life which is being transplanted into us.
Jamie continues:

Me: You know, I've been thinking. I love my music like I love You...intimate and easy. It's not that I don't love Classical or Big Band or Swing but, I dunno, when it comes to day in and day out, I just want "jeans & Rainbows" music, and that's how I want to be with you. I just want it to be me & You...comfortable, just the two of us. I don't want an interpreter or huge crowds or a show. I just want You. Am I making any sense?
Him: Absolutely! And I wish everyone saw Me that way. I'm not a "something to do". I'm not a "set of rules". I'm not a "six step" guideline. I'm a PERSON. I'm a LIFE. I want to KNOW you, all of you, not just the "cleaned up" you that makes an appearence occasionally. I'm not your grandmother's living room, all stiff and formal, that you sit in a couple of times a year afraid to relax. In fact, YOU are my house now. And that includes not only the formal rooms but also the W.C. and the bedroom. I LIKE you in your pj bottoms and t-shirt with your hair unbrushed and your face washed free of make-up. I ADORE YOU that way.
Me: DON'T GO THERE! Sleep creases and morning breath??? Pleeeeease!
Him: NO! Really. When your jeans are a little too snug....when you're sick and hanging over the toilet...when you're as mean as a snake...
Me: ME??? Mean as a snake?
Him: Ummmm, My point is I want you to realize I am the One who is loving you in ALL those moments, good & bad. I think you're cute when you have a little muffin top...
Me: You're SO IN TROUBLE, Mister!
Him: Seriously. I want to hold your head when your sick and bathe your face. I want to tell you when your "feeling" mean that I'm still here, I'm not going ANYWHERE just because you "flesh out". What I want: YOU. What I don't want: a performance. So, yeah, I get what you're saying. And I'm flattered you just want me, not a performance. Because if you take away all the words and lights and shows and it really is just the two of us, I want you to know that I AM ENOUGH. I'm more than enough for everything you'll ever need. And, just as important, YOU, just you, are all I'll ever want or need. Just the way you are. Even with that piece of food stuck between your front teeth...
Me: Funny. Veeeeery funny. You know, I like this thing called prayer. It's so cool. I like talking to You. But, seriously, is there something really between my teeth?
Him (laughing): There is no flaw in you, My Beloved.
Me (throwing my arms around Him): I love you, you know? I really, really do.
Him: Me, too, Jamie. Me, too.

More from East European Nations

The great drawback for the churches in the world, and more specifically in our neighbourhood, is that Jesus is alive. Every day is not the same.


Nevermind that thirty years ago Emsworth received repeated visits from a man that in his lifetime, co operated with the God of Gods to see Argentina turned round from being a quiet part Christian part superstitious Catholic religious country, to being one that had been invaded with a gospel of resurrection power.... Emsworth Anglican Church, Emsworth Methodist Church, (in whose building some of the meetings occurred)Emsworth United Reformed Church, Emsworth Quaker meeting, Emsworth Baptist Church...well, none of them knew or even cared anything about it. And certainly in the same way at least, this historic event is unlikely to happen again. Ever. Every one of the churches listed had already decided who they were going to receive from. They had their own agendas. Their own rotas. Their own procedures. It was of absolute irrelevance to them that a man of the standing and national authority before God of Ed Miller was even in the town. One day before God's Throne they will be absolutely amazed and shattered how they could have missed this.

But the decision is made on your insides first. Then the aftermath of that decision results in God events. The only reason I even know about these events is I was there. And I was only there because in the last term of my first year at Exeter University I knew God was calling my insides. I knew I had to make a decision that was really hard in career terms, but I knew if I did not respond then, and only then, a door might be shut on my calling forever. It was by no means a straight path to Emsworth. But for the years I would have been completing my Combined Honours German and French Language Degree I received in my spirit a complete download about the 3rd Level, about how you enter, about Jacob our prototype, about the mechanics of seeking God, about coming into God's Living Presence individually and as a church community, about the "apparent" abandonment you go through the nearer you attain your goal, and about some of the core principles of intercession over towns, regions and nations.

And if I'd obeyed English logic. I would have missed it. If not forever...certainly in its intensity, clarity and brevity.


So the great problem for Christians, for churches, for networks of churches, for ministries is that Jesus is alive. It would be so much easier if He wasn't!!

We have to know Him in the Spirit.
When He speaks.
His commands.
His grandiose plans.
And our part in it all.



Jesus never does exactly the same thing twice. He engineered an open heaven over our Dr Challoner's grammar school: a brief window the summer term of 1972. He has now arranged for
the owner of the Entertainer chain of toy shops, which began in Amersham just over the road from my school,
to help lead the area forward in God. But guess what, last year Jesus even bypassed this vessel, although using the Trust land that he had purchased, and the Lord arranged for a mighty troupe of military angels to so swoop overhead of a man who was mowing the field, that he ducked to avoid the loud roaring sound. This was in between Latimer and Chesham, just down in the Chess Valley from Amersham.

As a result, and with co operation also from Mark Stibbe and Roy Field(last years's Lakeland Outpouring) a large marquee was put up in the field and many came to the Lord and rededicated their lives. One of the musicians in Southampton Church went to visit. (friend of Mike Thom and co-author with Mike of one of the songs on Roy's new CD)He said the Presence of God was so strong there, he could have left Earth there and then. He certainly never wanted to leave the marquee.

This is where I grew up. This is where I walked on Sundays with Dad and Mum and my brother Martin. Yet all three locations, although close, are all different. All not what you would think. Unexpected. The Melchizedek Order. Mostly unrelated to what had gone before. Totally new wineskins. Next week is another week event in the marquee down on the field. see http://www.restorehopelatimer.com/


This introduction is to give a background to what has been going on in Eastern Europe. Many including Nicholas and Pam (see reference below) were sent into these nations to open them up. That period has now ended and Nicholas and Pam have been experiencing harvest. Another of God's workmen working to Divine instructions, timing and impossibility is David Hathaway. Here are sections of August and September newsletters:

July 2009

Dear Ministry Partner
I want to rejoice and praise the Lord for all that He has done and still is going to do this year!
Despite the recession and our financial problems, we have continued in faith. The result is that in the first half of the year we have seen more of the power of God than ever before —evidenced in the results of our missions! However now we need to see that faith financially to pay the bills!
Our two crusades in Poprad and Kosice, Slovakia, were a tremendous blessing. Thousands attended, almost all the unbelievers gave their lives to Christ — including drug addicts and alcoholics — and many (especially men) were healed. I found the people of Slovakia warm and friendly and very open to the Gospel. The local secular TV filmed the opening service and interviewed some of those who were healed. God's favour is being shown because the government of Slovakia is giving recompense to the believers who were persecuted under communism! The State TV (STV) is broadcasting our crusades — using our material —to the whole nation — absolutely FREE!

Picture of man with acid burn in his eyes - now I can see clearly.
Much intense prayer and preparation also went into the evangelism in Kharkov and the blessing of God was very evident. The thousands attending each meeting increased until the hall was full for the closing service with more than a thousand repenting each night. During the daytime services for believers many were touched by the Holy Spirit. One of the pastors who organised told us that his grandfather was killed by the communists for his faith, and when his mother was baptised age 12, after receiving Christ, the pastor who baptised her was given 14 years hard labour in prison for baptising a minor! No wonder that our TV cameras show many weeping when I spoke of my own experience in prison and how it brought me into a new relationship with our Heavenly Father! The pastors said it was the most powerful crusade with more repenting than since the early days of the freedom from communism.
We are seeking the Lord earnestly for the finance to continue and complete this year's programme of evangelism especially in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, in October and the big Russian evangelism in Perm scheduled just 10 days before my visa expires in November! We still need more than f250,000 to cover basic costs. The large 12,000 seat arena in Vilnius alone costs £100,000 to rent, including sound systems, lighting, seating and security against terrorism! Because of the economic situation, the local people can only contribute free labour! But we expect this to be the largest evangelism ever in the Baltic region — and in Europe — for many years! It will not only bring thousands to Christ, but also show Europe that Jesus Christ is alive in power and stem the tide of secularism sweeping through the EU
Can you see how, despite the economic crisis, God is sending a new FIRE of the Holy Spirit — now? Remember how I told you in my last letter how three evangelistic missions in Armenia in April changed the nation? Right now we are beginning regular broadcasts to the whole nation on national TV!

We ask for your prayerful support for the financial crisis we are facing. We have big legal bill: the Christian solicitor in Ukraine, who fought the court battles to get back our original property in Kiev which had been stolen from us, needs her fees paying immediately. She had originally agreed to wait until the property was sold, but in the meantime she has had major surgery for cancer and has to pay huge medical bills, at the same time as losing income whilst unable to work. We need to give her E40,000 now, which we will recover later from the sale of the property.See next letter
We have just received a phenomenal answer to prayer. Because of our financial situation, we held a powerful office prayer meeting and, within hours, the Lord had begun to answer! Because of the lack of finance last year we cancelled our weekly German TV broadcasts on 'Das Vierte'. But after the prayer meeting I received a call from the TV Company saying that they have received a letter from a lady in Germany who had cancer; she was so moved by our broadcasts, that she prayed and God healed her! Now she is going round the churches testifying and telling people to watch the programmes in faith! Now, Das Vierte so want our programmes back — which are the only ones giving an altar call and prayer for the sick in Germany — they are offering us a miracle — if we clear what we owe them, they will resume broadcasting our weekly TV programmes until next March — absolutely free of charge
What a miracle — pay the account and receive free broadcasts! We are accepting in faith!
I want to add two more crusades into this year's schedule — God is about to show what He can do when men repent! If it can happen in Russia, God will do it in the rest of Europe —which is my next challenge! But I desperately need your support — lack of finance is still holding me back. I want to thank all of you who are continuing to give sacrificially — these are difficult times and your response is a wonderful and miraculous answer to prayer.

September 09

Dear Ministry Partner
'Together we rejoice and praise the Lord for all that He has done and still is going to do this year!

Despite the recession and our financial problems, we have continued in faith. The result is that in the first eight months of the year we have seen more of the power of God than ever before – evidenced in the results of our Missions!
At the beginning of August I ministered in the former East German city of Erfurt for the Vietnamese 'boat people' – over 600 attended this year and they have promised 800 will come next year when I return for their next summer conference! The miracle of their escape from that land and the revival that has broken out amongst these refugees is phenomenal. – Delegates came from several other countries in Europe where God has placed them, all hungry for the Holy Spirit, to receive the Fire and evangelise, –Their willingness to give their lives is a powerful challenge to us in the comfort of our churches!!

August has been quieter – spending time with my family – and preparing for the hectic schedule for the rest of the year. Vilnius, Lithuania, then Perm in Russia, followed by November and December evangelising in a totally new area – Singapore, Malaysia and South East Asia – possibly ending with a crusade with between 25,000-100,000 in a country in South East Asia which I dare not mention because it is forbidden territory – evangelism is banned by law – but when God calls He makes the impossible to happen! Last year 20,000 gathered spontaneously, miraculously – this year – could be up to 100,000. When this happens it will shake other nations! But I have the invitation, and the planning has already commenced. When it is finally revealed you will be thrilled! At the moment I need you to pray that God will give me the courage to accept and face the consequences!The TV ministry in Armenia is producing much fruit, the first results are coming in – preparing for the big Crusade next year – a football stadium seating 25,000 – or if our faith is strong enough even the 100,000 seat stadium! Two of our British supporters – retired, not wealthy – are paying all the cost of these TV broadcasts for the next six months! As they have seen the response, they say that it is the best investment of their lives!

Thank you for your response to our appeal for the Crusade in Lithuania – we needed :E300,000 and already you have given EIL85,000 – so praise the Lord, everything is going ahead, and the rest is coming in — and going out — daily! Thank you for praying and giving. — The Christian lawyer in
Ukraine, whom we mentioned in our last newsletter, is paid — and we have received an offer for the property in Kiev which we needed to sell. —This is quite a miraculous answer to prayer, not as much as we needed, but in the present economic crisis when property prices have totally collapsed in Ukraine, a small help towards our situation and a token of what God will do.
for now we have an extremely urgent need for prayer. — Russian businessmen until now have helped finance our Russian crusades, but the money was only a loan. Because of the desperate situation and financial crisis in Russia itself we must repay $150,000 by 10 September! We have no reserves — we are only channels, so when you give, your gifts go straight to winning the lost for Him, while the touch of your sacrifice is still as warm as your love for Christ! Only a miracle can provide $150,000 (approx E100,000) in such a short time. My reply to the Russian request was simple — we have no money, but we have prayed and God never fails, we stand in faith that the money will be there on time on 10 September! God always answers — we talk about faith for healing — but now we need to see that faith financially to pay the bills! I have found that there are three stages in every great work of God: first, it is impossible, then it is difficult, then it is done. Hudson Taylor
We are seeking the Lord earnestly for the Fire of the Holy Spirit to enable us to continue and
complete this year's programme of evangelism especially in Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania in October and the big Russian evangelism in Perm scheduled just 10 days before my visa expires in November! We expect Lithuania to be the largest evangelism ever in the Baltic region, not just nationwide — possibly the largest in Europe! It will not only bring many thousands to Christ, but also show Europe that Jesus Christ is alive in power and stem the tide of secularism sweeping through the ELI.
I have added more crusades into this year's schedule — God is about to show what He can do when men repent! If it can happen in Russia — God will do it in the rest of Europe! This is my next challenge, but I desperately need your support. I want to thank all of you who are continuing to give sacrificially — these are difficult times and your response is a wonderful and miraculous answer to prayer. Thank you in Jesus Name!
Thank you in Jesus' Name!

For more information or to give support: http://www.eurovision.org.uk/

Beginning to Talk about Music

William Goldstein Master Class Improvisation Piano and Chinese Violin
This is one of the videos in a series highlighted by my friend Graham Fitch.

Backtracking about twenty years, a book came out that was called Drawing on the right side of the Brain by Betty Edwards.Convinced it must be of the devil, my friends advised me to keep away from it. Hmmmm those were the days! But what this highlights is the territory being covered by Musicophilia by Oliver Sacks.
The reason I bring this up is that until I was baptized in the Spirit I did not know I was a musician, even though I'd been playing the classical guitar for 3 years. As soon as I'd had this experience and a month later according to scripture started praying in other languages, a deluge of musicality started to manifest. I wrote praise songs. Some are in different songbooks. OK I'm not Graham Kendrick or Matt Redman, but I am in Songs of Fellowship UK book. The Bible makes it clear this is normal, as though music is in all of us. It just needs unlocking. Why else would St Paul write "Be filled with the Spirit and sing new songs?" This actually happened to a whole generation of us in the 70s. Nowadays people have got lazy and just let Darlene Zchech do it all, (and earn the millions commission!!)
I say all this, because I recognize immediately what William Goldstein is doing. In the secular world this seems astonishing...and OK...he does have technical flair....but you know what all over the world in hundreds of thousands of churches the same thing is now happening every Sunday. Such that when a Chris Moyles actually bothers stumbling upon it...he comments. And rightly so. Where do you think Whitney Houston, Mavis Staples, half of Motown, Elvis Presley and everyone learned their stuff? Well it flaming well wasn't school!!! It was church. School is for the left-brain...or has been since the Enlightenment. But if you want to learn where things really happen, you'd best tiptoe down to your local believer's tinpot shack. I mean come on!!!use your brain you secular guys...what's keeping Christians in a tin pot shack chapel? It AIN'T THE ARCHITECTURE!!!!

I am the Way,the Truth and the Life. The Holy Spirit Road Map

Jesus said "I am the Way, The Truth and the Life.No one Comes to the Father but through Me" John 14:6

So it should have been obvious,huh?

I mean, when I started writing on Dan's blog comments section, then a year ago when I started my own here, it should have been obvious what this is all about!

The threefold process of being restored to the Father.I'll repeat that sentence with different words. A three level process of being restored to the Father.

Some time back I mentioned it's I am the Way----to the Truth-----which leads to THE LIFE. Now I, at that time, had not heard that from anyone. Anywhere. And when I began sharing it I hoped I was right. My friend went to Florida and found herself in a house church discussing some of the things I am saying. She was told "Oh I've heard of people like that!!! They were around in the 50s!" and " The Bible does NOT say that....the Way to the Truth to the Life...it only says "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life"



Well I guess the 50s people were what is known as "the Manchild Company". And I am honoured 60 years later to be classed among them....somewhat late though. You see, if Americans hadn't had such hardened hearts thay would still be ahead of the game, they would all have gold-bound autographed versions of George Warnock's books, and he wouldn't have spent his life as a cabinetmaker after training for ministry. But they kind of lost it 50 years ago. And all that remains are stadium preachers of powers and wonders. When what God has always been about since the beginning of time is raising up a "Manchild" company of faceless believers who know only "Christ in them the hope of glory". But hey ho....try telling an American anything. They go to war to learn about geography and other races. The rest of the world tends to just learn the subjects themselves.




So when I was reading David Swan's book which is called "Moving Into the Holy of Holies" and came to Chapter 3, you'll understand why this was a double whammy.

A lot of people think that during my time in Amersham Old Town Baptist Church, followed by 6 years in Casa Biblica UK in Emsworth, lecturers spent years hammering home 3rd level teachings. Listen, Baptist Churches, even renewed ones don't teach this stuff.

Emsworth used to 'put up' with the occasional visit from Warnock type preachers, who later became the International Ministry Association, but because they were received "lukewarmly" to say the least, during my entire time I probably heard only a handful of "preaches" and nothing about I am the Way the Truth and The Life. (They still managed to sneak in an occasional direct person to person prophetic word though!!!Hey!Go, Jesus!)
Nope. Like St Paul I have been "shut out" from the usual sources of learning Christ. I really appreciated some faith and power Word coming into my insides via Morris Cerullo, during the 90s. And I do realise most English and American Christians cannot stand him. Just look on Facebook. As a single person,shut out from church, I used to save up for Cerullo teaching blitzes where he gathers the foremost anointed preachers from all over the globe for weeklong sessions. I went to LA,Chicago and San Diego. But none of this contained much 3rd level stuff, if at all.(But it does help you meet Chinese ,Indians,Swiss,Australians,Koreans etc etc...)

Nope. The stuff you are receiving here on this blog is "my gospel". This gospel that Jesus has revealed to my innards direct. So you can understand my excitement in these days to find other brothers and sisters who have committed things to print. As I said to Frank Viola..that won't necessarily stop me from suing them for breach of copyright! (Americans...that is a joke. Put that lawyer down!)

The Way, the Truth,and the Life -Chapter 3 of David Swan's book Moving Into the Holy of Holies
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

The Way
The way for us to move deeper into the presence of God (Whose habitation is in the realm of the Holy of Holies) is clearly illustrated in the Tabernacle. (Illustrations in his book-Get it!)The Outer Court speaks of Jesus as the Way — the entry point, the entrance into the new birth. It speaks of salvation — the first stage and the initial experience of your spiritual life. Through the new birth in Christ, you are given a new heart, a new spirit and a new beginning: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away: behold, all things have become new" (2 Cor 5:17). The journey that leads to abundant Life begins when you enter through the Way."Cause me to know the way in which I should walk, for I lift up my soul to You" (Psa 143:8)

The Truth
After the initial salvation stage of the Outer Court, you will enter into the second stage of your spiritual journey, represented by the Holy Place, which speaks of Jesus as the Truth. Jesus is full of grace and truth (John 1:14). Truth is so essential, for without truth, we will have no moral and spiritual guiding light in life. Without truth, we are lost! But, thank God for giving us Truth. "Oh, send out Your light and Your truth! Let them lead me; let them bring me to Your holy hill and to Your tabernacle" (Psa 43:3).
God is a God of truth (Dent 32:4). His word is truth (Psa 119:160), His Spirit is truth (1 John 5:6), and His nature and character are truth. He desires truth in your inward parts, that is, in your spirit. "Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts, and in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom" (Psa 51:6).
After salvation, you will be sanctified by Truth, guided by Truth, taught by Truth, trained by Truth, tried by Truth, and transformed by Truth. At this mid-stage of the Tabernacle — The Holy Place — you will be cleansed by Truth, confronted by Truth and dealt with by Truth repeatedly until Truth is formed and found in you.
During Moses' time, the Ark contained the two tablets of the law, among other things. The tablets of the law inside the Ark speak of truth abiding and filling the inward part — the spirit. When truth abides in your spirit, it will influence and govern your thoughts, attitude, speech and behaviour. Truth blesses you inmany ways. It has the power to sanctify (John 17:17) and the power to liberate (John 8:32). Truth gives light. Some of the blessings that result from having God's truth abiding in your spirit are stronger conviction, better judgement and wise decisions. God's truth abiding in your spirit serves as a resident counsellor and guide in your life. Truth restrains you from sin. That is why the psalmist says, "Your word I I lave hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You" (Psa 119:11).
This Holy Place speaks of partial experience and is incomplete by itself. You need to move beyond this middle stage to the Holy of Holies if you desire to enter into the fullness of spiritual experience and blessings. Falsehood, lies and deceit, beset and disqualify one from moving into the realm of the Holy of Holies. The scripture says, "He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; he who tells lies shall not continue in my presence" (Psa 101:7). When you
seek to move into the Holy of Holies, confrontation with Truth and dealing by Truth is inevitable and indispensable. It is only when you begin to know truth, speak truth, love truth and live truth that you will enter into the full experience of His abundant Life in the Holy of Holies. Therefore, to move beyond the Holy Place and enter into the realm of the more abundant Life in the Holy of Holies, you need to graduate from the school of Truth.

The Life
"That you may be filled with all the fullness of God"Ephesians 3:19).

The Holy of Holies stage speaks of abundant life —fullness of Life. The Holy of Holies speaks of the final spiritual destination and goal for every believer. It speaks of the 'fullest experience of God'. In this place, you will experience complete spiritual satisfaction. In the natural there is a saying, 'Life begins at forty'. However, where the spiritual is concerned, real life begins in the Holy of Holies.
To live in the realm of the Holy of Holies is to live in the realm of the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. In this realm a higher spiritual law is in operation. Living according to this higher law will set you free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2).
Living in the realm of the Holy of Holies will cause you to savour a life that is continually led and empowered by the Spirit. In this realm of the Spirit, you will experience continual guidance and constant anointing.
The Holy of Holies speaks of Jesus as the Life, so to live in this realm is to live life to the fullest. It is exciting to live in the Holy of Holies because this is the realm which God inhabits and chooses to manifest Himself in. This is the realm and dimension of the supernatural and the miraculous. Signs, wonders and miracles will accompany you if you learn to abide in this secret place of the Most High.
"I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me" (Gal 2:20).
The Apostle Paul was a man of pre-eminent distinction. He lived with a great sense of destiny. His life was one that was lived purposefully, fruitfully, triumphantly to the fullest. His was a life that touched and blessed multitudes, churches, nations and the whole Christendom; a life that has imparted to the church an invaluable spiritual legacy — a life that will count for all time and eternity. His life demonstrates to us what God can do through a single individual who is totally yielded to Him. Paul's life is outstanding because he learned the secret of living in the realm of the Holy of Holies — in Christ — and having Christ live in him and through him. "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me..." (Gal 2:20). When you live your life in the dimension of the Holy of Holies, you will have the power of spiritual attraction - the power to draw others closer to the Lord. If you want to live a fulfilling, fruitful and God-glorifying life, live in the dimension of the Holy of Holies — live in Christ!
The life that is lived in the 'Life' level of the Holy of Holies will be decidedly different. For the abundant life, the meaningful life, the quality life, the resurrected life, the Zoe life and the glorious life are all found in the realm of the Holy of Holies.

Crafted Prayer Day 3

Without being too specific about the Havant Crafted Prayer Christine and I were deeply challenged by Dan's post about suicide.

A bruised reed He will not break.
A proud and haughty heart (alone) He will oppose.
The Kingdom is about raising up the valleys of depression and despair, but casting down the high mountains of pride and scoffing, and "independant self living".

Depression and suicide does not need more heavy weights and judgement tied round it like further heavy chains. The same with homosexuality or as Dan has pointed out, many times both!

Let me show you what the Church is for. I have read this over the past few days.
Read 1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
Hmmm....you think that's something
That's nothing. In fact if anything that is the precursor stage to what is coming next.
Let's give you a background. The Jews were useless at the Law, so Jesus came and showed a better way. The Jews largely, did not listen, so we the Gentiles had a go.
The gentile Church unfortunately got eaten by the Roman empire, at first by lions, later by being subsumed in a religious system. Useless. So God raised up Luther.
And Calvin. Who again missed it. So He raised up some Baptists. Methodists. Quakers.
Then it was the Brethren.
Then it was the Pentecostals.
Each generation takes things so far, fails and the whole operation gets thrown open to the next set of failures, but spiritually hungry and desperate.
The Jesus People.
The Joe and Jennies of the house church movement. These are all the foolish shaming the wise.
But saints you haven't seen anything yet! LOOK AT THIS.
1 Cor 1:28
He chose the base/zilch things of this world and the despised things,the thrown out things—and the things that are not(hmm exactly how much are things that ARE NOT....do you think you might qualify????)—to nullify the things that are,
Let's consider that word nullify!
Make ZERO
NOTHING
NADA
NE....POINT DU TOUT!!!!
NICHTS
Now don't mess around . This is the Word of God . For you. Today. As you read this.
Homosexuals
Paedophiles
Murderers
Scumbags
Suicidals
Despairing
Whatever you think you are that disqualifies you.

You got it! You're IN. To the biggest plan that has ever been devised in the history of the world. This is the Third Level Church!

Which brings us to two features of the 3rd Level church as modelled in seed form by the Key of David meetings. (but that's just a meeting form....bit like Elijah with his head between his knees while the servant went up to watch the rain actually appear in 3D storm form. The train appearing on Platform 3 is the Kingdom coming in Power AS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE)
Feature 1. The saints find the actual grace,love and power and Divine enabling Presence of God overshadowing their meetings. Worst sins. Doddle. Worst Sicknesses. Doddle. Worst Demon possessions. Cinch! Why? Cos God turns up Himself!!!
Feature 2. The Church as a Grace-filled version of the Old testament Cities of Refuge. Places to hang out if people are coming at you with STONES!!!!

This is the Word for those of you who are in despair. It's not what the devil has told you. That is, if you make it at all, the best you can hope for is dangling off the cliff in a coach like the end of the first Italian Job movie.
NO....this whole end of the Age is BUILT around YOU. YOU are it!!! God's tried with the people who think they are something. He's giving up on them and moving outside to the people who can use a bit of His grace!That's what 1 Corinthians 1:28 says. So it's LEGAL and FINAL!!
v.29 so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.

News from Havant Towers September 06 2009

A brief description of the Main Meeting and the evening Key of David meeting.

River type meetings are hard to post. You have to be there. Describing them they sound really naff. Until about the time , like at RIVERCAMP someone's blind eye pops open! Tree type meetings are easier. For more on the Tree and the River read here.

The top building with Towers is the Meridian Shopping Centre in Havant. The inside picture shows Portsdown Community Church centre, known as the Beacon Centre as a dark blob on the first floor right at the end of the upstairs concourse. Presumably this was taken when the Centre was not being used. It really is not that gloomy. Or we'd be praying for everyone to have depression lifted off them as they came in.

I am not going to post the "evidence" from the main meeting, which is a crafted prayer. And ofcourse this is more the Tree side of things. Crafted prayer, is a specially constructed prayer, which like an express vision or goal, once written, focusses everyone on a direction.

This particular one has this background. And more for this reason I post this, because this will be a lot more relevant on a wider scale.

A lot of individuals and churches have prophetic words over their lives. Many still unfulfilled. We read in Daniel, that when he understood the allotted time period of the Jewish exile in Babylon was 70 years, he set about seeking God that He would bring His Word to pass. Peter Stott was also bringing the Havant Church promises before God, and felt God say to him..."You have not because you ask not. "Then he was given the strategy of bringing many of the promises together into one crafted prayer which the whole church can pray and seek God with for the next 40 days.

The book of Daniel shows we can be way too "laissez faire" about prophecies, when as gatekeepers to this earth, it is actually up to us to midwife them and see them come to pass.

The KOD meeting was more of a River affair , but was again something else!Helen Rubio tends to lead these, but quite often like last night, this is more of a "non-leading". So it began with us connecting with the holy Presence of God, initially without song.

In recent months, Peter later shared that things have moved on from different revelations about the Father, to zoning more on the Person of Christ again. This is not a human led decision. This is the corporate experience of the many waiting before God. Last night was about Jesus the conqueror upon the White Horse.

These type of meetings lead into specific directions of what to pray for. Yesterday was about the Spanish speaking peoples all over the world, including our contacts with Argentina, and specifically praying fresh waves of Holy Spirit activity into Spain. Then as Molly Osbourne is going as part of Lydia (UK Women's prayer Organisation like Women Aglow in USA) over to Poland, we focussed for awhile on Poland.

The point in even mentioning this is twofold. Holy Spirit directed praying is powerful in its effects. It is specific. It is a God timing thing. And you know He means business. As we see in the lives of Nicholas and Pam( who by the way when they went to Iceland to pray....were sent the precise week of the Icelandic bank crash...something no one saw coming!)

Secondly, this is written to encourage those living in those regions. If God is using our time, which could equally be used full time just on the UK alone, on your territories you know something's up!!!!

Suicide Love Bombers

Note: I have added a bit to the end of this post - 6th September

What will it take to win the Muslim nations? Suicide Love Bombers!

The difference between the Muslim faith and true Spirit-filled Christianity is this.

Muslim extremists take literally some of the Quran passages which talk about establishing Shariah Law or some form of Quranic government all over the world. Their approach is terror. Destruction. They place little value on individual human life so long as the world can be forced to accept Muslim world government and honour Allah and his Prophet Mohammed.

Christianity however relies on the Divine Power in the Word alone. The folly of preaching and sharing "the foolishness" of the Cross makes no sense to a "by power and might alone" Muslim. Yet here is the irony. No country that has taken on board the freedoms enshrined in Christianity will of themselves want to accept a Muslim government. Britain may be seduced into this direction through devious schemes, but of themselves, as first cause, no British people would ordinarily take up the restrictions of the Muslim way. The only reason this might occur is if the dead form of Christianity...a Christianity that has fallen back into salvation by works, and thus little more than an unfeeling corpse to the Living Holy Spirit, if this form of Christianity was so predominant that people hardly know the difference between one law book religion and another, they slide easily into the Muslim faith by default.

However a living Christianity that moves and has its being in the Living Lord Jesus through the power of His agent on Earth, the Holy Spirit....well there is no comparison. The thought of adhering to 5 pillars of obedience when you can have the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit moving to reverse accursed situations, when you can have this same Jesus Christ living His Life and fulfilling His standards in you and through you...why would you ever go back to a "struggle with all your human might, man-powered religion?"

With this in mind , together with the recent reference to suicide on Dan Bowen's site,I read these excerpts today from "The New Mystics" by John Crowder with extreme interest. Somewhere else I talked of the Third Level principle that St Paul discovered, of becoming a selfless suicide "Love Bomber", where the only one who gets hurt is the 3rd Leveller...but who detonates release for the many by his actions.

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John Crowder: Chapter entitled "The Forerunners"

Martyr's blood is a powerful seed. Their blood has a voice, and the Lord will not allow a single drop of it to pass away. While we may have seen a few salvations here and there as a result of their deaths, we have yet to see the full impact of the death of the martyrs in the earth.

....All that has been stolen in the earth will be repaid all at once in one massive decree of God's justice.....

...I was shown shortly after the terrorist attack of Sept.11,2001 that the Lord is going to be releasing His "suicide preachers" into the Islamic world. Even as terrorist suicide bombers give their lives just to impact a street corner, a tour bus, or a restaurant with a few explosives on their bodies- so will the Lord begin to send His own missionaries into the Muslim world. Not with bombs but with the Word of God. These will usually be young single radical men with nothing to lose in this world, who will freely volunteer their lives. They will go into street corners and market places of Islamic cities, stand up, and begin to preach the gospel in the open air. Their words may only reach the immediate listeners around them, and a few people close by will be saved. (...crowds will beat and stone them to death in an instant). This will have a heavy impact for the Kingdom. It will blow every church growth strategy out of the water. This is going to be a movement in the church. Breaking open new realms always takes sacrifice.

.....more often than not, the crowds will actually stop and listen to these preachers, because people are hungry for the truth- especially when they are walking in signs and wonders. Muslim people take miracles very seriously......

We cannot expect the Muslim world to be won without the shedding of martyr's blood. No major new ground has ever been taken in the world without it. Tertullian said,"Afflict us, torment us, crucify us- in proportion as we are mowed down, we increase, the blood of Christians is the seed of the church."

There is a young company on the rise that is so desperate for something of substance, that they will pay that price. It is no surprise that many in this current generation now struggle with issues of suicide. Theirs is a generation built and called for such purpose and destiny, that they are geared to sacrifice it all for something of purpose. Without that higher purpose, that inner drive pushes them to self-destruction........

This is a generation that can turn either toward extreme depression and self-hate, or extreme reckless love of God to the point of joyful sacrifice. We are entering an age of extremes. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends"(John 15:13)

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6th September

I do not wish to take away from anything John Crowder has written. I want to add a parameter.

One of the reasons this generation is so beat up....and reaching out for an extraordinary sense of purpose is that the main vehicle that identity and purpose comes through has been robbed them.

Fatherhood!

Ephesians tells us that every earthly family pattern finds its root in heaven. From God the Father.Ephesians 3:14-15 the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name/identity/pattern/nature

Even so on earth, a large part of where we get our identities is from our fathers as we are growing up.

Negative fatherhood has repercussions for how we relate to God. No fatherhood has repercussions also.

I would hate to think of a whole bunch of unmarried singles seeking the spectacular death of a martyr for God's cause, just because a part of their inward makeup just simply has never known the personal love of a father and more particularly The Father.

But if, as a result of being rooted and grounded in the Love and Fire of the Eternal God, people then feel a call to take back the earth for God, and specifically the no no territory presently covered by Islam, that is another matter.

Two books on this matter are "Orphans and Heirs" by Mark Stibbe, and "Spiritual Slavery to Spiritual Sonship" by Jack Frost.

Here is an excerpt about Derek Prince from the latter in the chapter "Orphan Heart":

"Derek Prince was arguably one of the greatest Christian leaders and evangelists of the 20th Century.....Yet, by his own admission Derek Prince himself battled demonic oppression every day of his life until he was 80 years old. Millions were set free under his ministry, yet he himself could not find freedom from the oppression that dogged him on a daily basis. It took nothing less than a powerful personal experiential revelation of Father God's love to set him free once and for all. (It is described in more detail in the book).....Derek says"..from that morning it became competely natural for me to now address God as Father, or my Father. I now have a personal relationship not just a theological position. I've been enjoying this relationship for about two years."

Review of RIVERCamp 2009

So we're back! These pictures were taken as we left RIVERCamp. Clean. Tidy. As if 2000 people had never been there. What beautiful surroundings in Evesham Vale, part of the Cotswold region of England. Once packed out with apple orchards. Home of cider and all sorts of old species of apples. Gradually some of these are being reintroduced.

The farm buildings are in need of repair and this is a project in the pipeline. The idea is to open the premises to any group of up to 2500 campers, to provide a great Christian facility for families to learn more about experiencing God together. Even before RIVERCamp , Christine and I have had the most amazing week of renewing relationships with those we used to live with and know very well. Christine was just talking of the "vision" of the young whippersnapper Mark Mumford, whose vision was to lead her church from a small house fellowship in a tiny part of a small town to becoming East Midlands Christian Fellowship at Derby, a hub church for the whole area. She was just relating this when a few hours later the very same man and Nestor his wife walk past the caravan! They were checking out the grounds for use by Salt and Light, who Mark now leads in the UK.

How about RIVERCamp itself? Well it was very good and contained some amazing highlights. But can I just be truthful and say last year probably impacted us more. This may be because The Florida Outpouring 08 had had an enormous effect all around the globe. Perhaps everyone was more on the tips of their toes at RIVERcamp last year wondering what was going to happen next. Or perhaps it was one of the first big conferences that I had been to in the UK since the historic Bible Weeks with Ern Baxter in the 70s. Or was it the fact that Havant Church have been trying to pursue the model that both Peter Stott and Nicholas and Pam had experienced firsthand in Lakeland last year. Although we are a small church, both the Key of David meetings and many of our main meetings are incredibly varied, and have been filled with the Presence of the Lord. Did I mention that one of the recent moves in our recent meetings has been to diminish our reliance on "the worship group". God wants His Church back. And every so often He pulls the rug away from the worship leaders and begins a move in the congregation itself. This can be singing in tongues. A new song. A set of testimonies. Prayers. Prophecy. In these days everyone but everyone has to be on their toes!!. Sometimes in our church it is a 5 or 6 year old giving the direction in a meeting. Sometimes the youngsters have such a key time together on the Fridays that all of them share on the Sunday through pictures , prayer or prophecy what they have experienced.

There was at least an occasion when the congregation led the way in some worship at this year's RIVERCamp, but I wasn't sure that there were other times when the "worship band" kicked in by remote.

As I say, perhaps this is coming out of our Havant experiences in the last months. I'd be interested how others got on.

John Wilbraham and Grace Wentworth

Be that as it may, RIVERCamp is still as hard to define in words as ever. It's the sum totality of all these experiences:

Whole families experiencing God together,all age groups, all types of folk.This year 2000 people.

Eating together,living together,having fun on the bouncy castles, the sumo wrestling,the boxing matches. Kids work where many give their lives to Christ and are exposed to living Christ in a cool and non-religious way. Tears of laughter listening to the "notices" and banter between the two Elim leaders David Campbell and Kevin Peate. These guys are like godly stand-up comedians. They are so quick to come back at each other. The worship band. The new songs. See the RIVERCamp link to get past and present worship CDs...oh and all the messages. 2 more key messages from Mark Stibbe, one talking on "Thin Places" as against Thin Moments, the other talking very seriously on "The second Seal" of Revelation, which he feels is the current word for the worldwide Body of Christ. John and Carol Arnott preaching and ministering as parents of the current move of God.They are not ministers in the traditional sense. They really are more empowering parents imparting grace and anointing in each session. I've seen them on God TV, but never live. They are exactly the same as on telly...but you truly do not know what is going to happen through them next. One session was on praying healing over each other. Christine went on the platform to testify about an amazing improvement in some tennis elbow. Another session, a sister in her 50s I believe, testified to a blind eye since birth suddenly popping open, and now being able to see 90%.

Sheila and Wendy

Sheila and Julie

Shawna was excited that we were going with about 30 or 40 from Havant Church. Sadly though, a quirky camping site law says that our caravan had to be by the campsite roadway and therefore separated from all those in our church who were in tents at the bottom of the same field. So although we wandered over many times, and people came up to us, we lost some of the vibrancy of living cheek by jowl.

Grace Wentworth and Gill Stary

Christine and Ben

You can see above that the children's area was fun. Below is a Youtube film of the Great Sumo wrestler Gill Stary (of Hugh and Gill,daughter of Peter Stott) being floored by the mighty power of a mere yoth!

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