Tuesday, 8 July 2014

The School Of Faith - Norman Grubb


Here is another post which really encapsulates what this blog is about





I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His name's sake. I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father.
I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. 1 John 2:12-14




"I write unto you, little children.... I write unto you young men.... I write unto you fathers."

The analogy of human birth and growth make the stages quite plain.
Infancy, adolescence, adulthood. Birth, growth, maturity. The three stages of human development.

And for each corresponding stage in the life in the Spirit, He gives a word of explanation.

First, the little child knows his "sins are forgiven for His Name's sake," and "knows the Father." These we immediately recognize as the initial evidences of the new birth. A new-born babe in Christ has manifested repentance as a confessed sinner towards God, faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ as an acknowledged Saviour, and the inner witness of the Spirit as the evidence of a saving faith. His "sins are forgiven for His Name's sake," and the one who was a God and Judge afar off has now become a Father known and loved in a personal sense. He "knows the Father."

But the infant relationship is a purely dependent and external one. A babe, beautiful though it is in its time, is only on the receiving end of life. It benefits by the "acts" of its parents in nursing and clothing and feeding —that is all. It cannot manage its own affairs, still less contribute to others. Beautiful, but helpless.

Infancy is followed by adolescence. Tempestuous years. The babe must find itself and fulfil its destiny. Its body must be developed, its mind trained, its character established. It must exchange its outward dependence on its parents for inner resources of strength and knowledge, which will fit it to take its place in the world. Painful years of ferment, self-discovery and attainment.Translate this now, with John. into the language of the Spirit. "I write unto you young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one."

This is something far removed from helpless infancy, depending on the outward sustenance of its parents. Babyhood reliance on a few simple and external facts of the Gospel, the milk of the Word, has been exchanged for an adequate inner experience. The bitter defeats of early Christian days, the sins of flesh and spirit,, to which he so often succumbed, the powerlessness in witness and service, have been cancelled out by the ever-present power of God.
Now it is no longer Satan the overcomer, and he the defeated-, but Satan the defeated, and he the overcomer. What first came as an external word revealing an external Saviour has now become an inner word revealing an abiding Christ. The young man in Christ has evidently gone through deep waters and found rich treasure. This is the second stage.


The adolescent, though with numberless lessons to learn, is now equipped for the third stage. From being a recipient of benefits he now becomes an earner and contributor. The apprentice becomes the craftsman, the student the teacher.

The young life sheltered by the home becomes the home-maker.
What he once derived from others he now has within himself, an inner reservoir of acquired knowledge, now made his own.

This third stage John calls fatherhood. "I write unto you, fathers." Infancy, adolescence, adulthood. And the one comment he makes concerning the father is that he "knows Him that is from the beginning," Not knows Him just as Father, but in all the mysteries of His being and purposes of grace, who will have all men to be saved. He knows the One from the beginning with whom John starts both his gospel and epistle, and to know this One is to be His coworker, a member of His royal priesthood, a saviour and teacher of others, endued by the Spirit for service, even as he has been saved and sanctified by the same Spirit. In this third stage he has reached the fullest development in the counsels of the Saviour for the members of His body on earth.
—The Liberating Secret


For more see the Yes I am series
http://www.080808onnowto.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/yes-i-am-1-total-truth.html

Monday, 7 July 2014

Rebecca sees her core spirit


The next generation find the Total Truth....


Romans 2 NASV


Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
2 And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things.
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6 who will render to each person according to his deeds:
7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned [h]under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.


John 3



14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 

17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”


John 16



8 And He, (the Holy Spirit)when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.





The words to the old hymn by John H. Sammis, "Trust and Obey," frequently ring in my ear when I think about my life. I've had the privilege of growing up not just in a Christian household, but around Christians committed to the total truth of the Bible. I wish I could say that because of this I've always followed those words of "Trust and Obey," but that's not the case. Instead I've been disobedient time and time again; yet God in His mercy brought me to points of desperation where I've simply had to take steps to "Trust and Obey," against what I feel like I want to do---to take that step of faith to take God at His word.
Growing up
I grew up in a Christian household, but despite this. I did not desire or choose to trust Christ as my Lord and Savior until age 17. I thought I was a "good Christian girl." The reality is that I was a brat, proud, haughty, self-centered, judgmental, disobedient
judgmental, mean, disobedient and self-righteous. I cut people down in my mind to make myself feel superior to them. Of course I tried to keep my sin hidden.
Unsurprisingly, God had been trying to get my attention fora long time, but I hadn't been interested in turning from my sin. I however, at age 17, the consequences of my sin started catching up with me. I admitted to my evil thoughts, but made no steps to repent. My mother 2avc me an ultimatum: either turn from
my sin or leave the house. My godmother also asked me a question I will never forget... "If you believe the Bible is true, and applies to everyone, how do you read it and not apply it to yourself?" That burned in my brain—How could I? Did I believe I was some special case, that God had written the Bible for his people, except Rebecca Jane? How ridiculous.
I read some key verses that spoke directly to me—verses as simple as Mark 12:30-31: "And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. and the second is this to love your neighbor as yourself" And others that spoke more directly to my sin such as I John 3:1516: "Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no Murderer has eternal life residing in him
This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters." I decided to take God at His word, that what the Bible says is true. I knew that I had sinned against God, and against His people, that short of Christ being the Lord and Savior of my life, and Him living His life through me, I had no hope for living a right life. I decided to trust Christ as my Lord and Savior in April of 2004.
I began to learn that like all people, I'm not a self'-functioning independent person—I am created as a vessel to contain/be united with God's spirit. Be-cause of the Fall, humankind inherited the spirit of error and before I accepted Christ, I was born a slave to Satan. with its spirit operating through me, so he was free to live out sin by me. The Bible says in John 8:44 "Ye arc of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do," and in Ephesians 2:12 "And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience." Satan by me was able to live out pride. haughtiness, self-centeredness, disobedience, self-righteousness, and judgmentalism. When I cut people down and chose to sin, it was Satan himself working through my members.
When I decided to accept Christ as my Lord and Savior, Satan, the spirit of error, was kicked out and was replaced by the Holy Spirit who now lives out God's righteousness in, as and through me. In John 15: 5 it says "I am the vine. YOU are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." We also read in Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body. I live by faith in the Son of God. who loved me and gave himself for me." And in 1 Corinthians 6:17 "But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him." In Summary, I saw I was bossed by the cause of the Fall, humankind inherited the spirit of error and before I accepted Christ, I was born a slave to Satan. with ]its spirit operating through me, so he was free to live out sin by me. The Bible says in John 8:44 "Ye arc of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do," and in Ephesians 2:12 "And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience." Satan by me was able to live out pride. haughtiness, self-centeredness, disobedience, self-righteousness, and judgmentalism. When I cut people down and chose to sin, it was Satan himself working through my members.
When I decided to accept Christ as my Lord and Savior, Satan, the spirit of error, was kicked out and was replaced by the Holy Spirit who now lives out God's righteousness in, as and through me. In John 15: 5 it says "I am the vine. YOU are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." We also read in Galatians 2:20 "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body. I live by faith in the Son of God. who loved me and gave himself for me." And in 1 Corinthians 6:17 "But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him." In Summary, I saw I was bossed by the spirit of Satan before being saved, and was now bossed by the Holy Spirit, or spirit of righteousness.
The Fall after I accepted Christ, I went to college. For what I knew and understood, I experienced freedom in Christ, and my life took a 180. But as we all know, temptations don't just stop when we accept Christ—our faith must be tested.
Second Crisis
After graduating college, I got into the "real world." Unfortunately, a lot of what God had revealed to me when I was saved was just head knowledge. The same lies that Satan had used with me my entire life came up, and I started believing them. I still believed there was an independent Rebecca Jane who needed to "be okay" by trying to appear better than others. Once I bit into that lie, that I was a "just me," Satan was able to misuse me through my flesh members (my body and soul). He could never operate me from my spirit again, because I was joined to the Holy Spirit; but he could work through my body and soul to block the Holy Spirit from freely operating.
Even though I tried to keep my sin hidden, the Holy Spirit in me was blocked, and sin again showed its ugly face. My "hidden" thoughts about people started becoming obvious in my words and actions. I started outwardly tearing down my closest friends to their face, friends who had been with me through the toughest times of my life and I was outwardly cruel to my boyfriend. There was never a time in my life I was so hard—to God, to Christ, to His people, to His word.
Friends and family were concerned and helped me try to identify my sin, so I could see it and turn from it. But my heart was hard; I didn't want to stop sinning—I wanted to feel superior to other people.
God in His grace and mercy put people in my life who refused to let Satan win the very people I greatly mistreated wanted me to live a life of freedom in Christ.
I first started choosing to see some light when I took the advice of my godmother and my friend who encouraged me to stop focusing on all external, selfish things my circumstances, my thoughts and feelings. It was between me and God, period. My friend also encouraged me to read Psalm 139, which talks about how God is always there
We can't escape Him: He knows our thoughts, when we get up, when we lie down. Another friend, seeing some of his former sin in me, pointed out that I might be dealing with jealousy. That was a new thought to me and helped shed light on my sin. All these things were rolling in my mind, but I didn't want to give my sin up. I liked the idea of being better than, not less than.
Later that week, on January 23, 2013, at my church fellowship my godmother suggested that I talk about how I'd sinned against my friends, and maybe I would connect with it and be broken about it. I was getting desperate: my life was a wreck, I had been atrocious to everyone who had loved and cared for me, some my entire life. So in obedience, I thought I can at least do that. I started speaking to one of my closest friends about the horrible things I had said to her. She responded that I was monotone and had no passion. In obedience, I said to myself, you can at least put some energy into your voice. I started speaking again, and unlike anything I've experienced before, it wasn't "me" talking. (It had never been "just me," it had been Satan before, living out sin through my members but now it was the Holy Spirit). The floodgates opened, in brokenness, my confession of my sins against my friends and family poured out. I hadn't planned on what to say. I had no intention of confessing. But after my simply taking steps of obedience towards Christ, steps of obedience in trusting Him, the Holy Spirit was there to say the words through me, to show me my sin, to make restoration with loved ones.
The scales fell from my eyes (Acts 9:18). Jealousy was at the core of my sin. Jealousy over all sorts of things in others—their looks, smarts, personality, spiritual maturity, etc. Instead of recognizing those feelings of jealousy as just feelings, "I" (thinking it was just me) had believed and lived from those feelings, and Satan was free through me to attack the people I felt jealous of. I had a beef with how God made me—I was lacking. But the answer the entire time, and what had been revealed to me when I was saved, was that I was whole and complete, lacking nothing in Christ, and there was nothing in this world that could compare with that gift. I'm forever grateful to my brothers and sisters in Christ who were willing to stick with me and see me through to receiving this gift; I was truly rescued, and I owe it all to the Christ people in my life.
I believe that was the "second crisis" in my life. When I accepted Christ, I knew I was a sinner in need of a savior, in need of the Holy Spirit to live out His righteousness through me. Now, I understand there wasn't just a Rebecca
Jane living her life, there was no "just me." I contain a spirit who lives His life through me!
Now I live in a moment-by-moment faith walk. God made us to have a soul with natural human feelings and reactions. It's through those thoughts and feelings that Satan tries to convince me that it's just me living, rather than the truth—I am a vessel for Jesus Christ to live His life through. I'm a spirit person, containing, eternally joined to, and made complete by His Holy Spirit living His life as me. I still have feelings of jealousy quite often; Satan still temps me to act on those feelings. But now when those feelings and thoughts arise, I go back to the truth— that God made me exactly how He wanted to, and it's ex-
actly His business as to how He lives His life out through me and how He created me to be. No one can be better or less than me, and I can't be better or less than anyone else. In 2 Corinthians 10:5 it says, "We take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." By my taking my thoughts captive to the truth of who I really am, Christ is free to be a life laid down for people around me. He's free to care about them, meet their needs, be a right person to them.
There may be times you don't want to give up your sin and you're fighting against God's word. But dare to believe the truth about yourself and, as the hymn says, "Trust and obey, for -there's no other way to be happy in Jesus but to trust and obey."

Rebecca can be contacted through
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Saturday, 5 July 2014

The Releasing Answer by Norman Grubb

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Hymn Translation in English



 

The Releasing Answer by Norman P Grubb, writer of "Rees Howells Intercessor", and his final great book "Yes I am ".

Norman shares the answer to the problem experienced by so many Christians, who once saved find they are unable to live the Christian life. He describes this experience as a second crisis, meant to press us into recognizing that Another is here to live.
The effect of the inner and outer law on us is twofold. On our response hangs our eternal destiny. We can either respond by hypocrisy or honesty. As a fact, we all start by being hypocrites. That is, we pre­tend to ourselves and others that we keep the law reasonably well, enough to salve our consciences: We have enough religiion or a philosophy of some kind to cover our tracks, for a self must always have a foothold for its selfhood—right­cousness (rightness) of some sort. What we really do is to try to keep the eleventh commandment, to hide the truth from ourselves as from others—"Thou shalt not be found out!"

Honesty is when by some means or other (God has a thousand original ways), we are brought up sharp enough in our lives, suddenly or gradually, to be faced with the plain recognition that we are not what we should be. We are law breakers. The moment of truth is when in our freedom we admit that fact. That is honesty, and that is also a total self-hu­miliation. The supposed foundations to our selfhood have given way. 


We have enough religion or a philosophy of some kind to cover our tracks

That is why there is a cost in it. The false front  of our self-justifying religion or philosophy collapses.
But this admission of merely being a law-breaker in the sense of not living up to the standards of God's law is not sufficient by itself. The point is that it is the law of God, and, therefore, the law on which our being is founded, so that we are at variance with the Source, the Originator, and Upholder of our being. Therefore, we are at variance with life itself We are wrong, we are lost, we are in the dimension of what Jesus called "outer darkness."
Now when that is an admitted reality to me, I am conditioned for the truth. I have a need and I must have it met. I can no longer consciously continue at variance with the God of my being and under -His justifiable condemnation, with its necessary ultimate ending in "everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord." What then shall I do to make amends'? But that is exactly what I cannot do as a self-confessed law-breaker with the usual consequences of law-breaking
This is the moment, the first moment when He who is love, the ground of my being, can get over to me what love is
being,
and what He is, and what I am to be. Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, is the answcr. What He did for me and as me was what 1 could not do for myself .
we are in the dimension of what Jesus called "outer darkness."

This is the eternal love. Now in my total need I am conditioned simply to see with thankfulness that what I could not do to removing guilt, condemnation, ever-lasting separation, He did for me, and they are no more. Seeing is recognizing and receiving and release.

In my freedom of choice, which hardly was conscious choice, when my need was so desperate and the supply so complete, I suddenly realize that God is now my God and Father, and Jesus Christ
my Savior and Lord; and not only have I a conscious peace and release, but I have a love for Him. What I probably do not realize is that this is the beginning of my living the eternal quality of life for which I was originally created. The restoration to God of His stolen property has taken place. A revolutionary change has taken place. For the first time in my human history, I love someone else more than myself A new love, greater than my love for myself, has taken possession of me: love for God and Jesus.

I do not yet realize that this is not my human affections. I probably think this is my love for Him, but what has really happened is that in receiving Christ I have received into myself the One who is love, and what I regard as my love for Him is really the first expression of God's self-giving love in me, loving another more than myself, "The love of God (not love for God) shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit." This new love, greater than love for myself, has taken possession of me, causing me to start being an other-
lover: for I very soon find that if I have love for Jesus, I also have love for all men, for He and His world are identified. I find in myself, not only the love for Him, but also the desire that my friends, rny neighbors, and all men should share the secret of life that I have found and that they equally need, and that I should take my share in the ministry to mankind in all ways available to me.   


This is eternal life which is eternal self-giving love begun in me. I have "come home," and begun to be the light and the love I was destined to be. What we call Christianity, therefore, is not be­lief in a doctrine, not membership in a church, not allegiance to a Bible or a Jesus of history, but a new love; for again we say, we live where we love, and this new love is for the first time in my human history the love of someone more than myself. and this is and means a new qual­ity of life of which the potential and im­plications arc way out of sight beyond space and time, just as an Amazon river starts by a trickle at its source, or a prairie fire begins with a spark.
However, this has not completed the exposure to us of our mistaken concepts of life, as though it is we living it. We are so used to this illusory outlook that, though we have now recognized and ad­mitted that we did not live our lives on God's standards, and in our lost condition needed and found a Savior, we now think that, as Christians, we can set to work and live on a new level. We will seek to keep the commandments, to love God and oth­ers, to maintain communion with Him by prayer and Bible reading, to conquer the habits that defeat us, our hates and fears and lusts and jealousies, to have God at the center of our domestic, business and social life, to attract others to our new­found faith.
Instead. what happens'? We begin to find this new life wearisome. We have not what it takes to live it, neither sufficient love for God and our neighbor, nor sustained interest in prayer or the Bible, nor victory over our weaknesses.
We even lose the consciousness of God's presence. We cannot handle our depressions, our failures, our relationship problems, the strains and stresses of modern life, the difficulties of even attempting to be honest and pure and not self-seeking in the jungle warfare of modern industrial, political, and even social and domestic life. To say that we approach a conformity to the absolute demands of loving God with all our heart and mind and our neighbor as ourselves, is ridiculous, and frankly we often do not want to. Maybe we had better give up. Maybe life was easier and more enjoyable without trying to be a Christian in a serious sense. We seem nearer to a breakdown and the need of psychiatric help than to the peace and rest and adequacy we thought the Christian life had for us.
Good; all these are excellent signs. In our former unredeemed life, we had to be so disturbed that we came to a final crack-up and admitted our failure before God, a total failure. Despair is the best word, for despair means that we are finished and there is nothing more we can do about it. We have to come there, having given up completely, before we can have eyes to see that when we could not climb up to Him, He had climbed down to us; what we could not do for ourselves, He had done for us.
Now, again we have to come to a second despair. Before, our recognition was that we had not done what we should have done in keeping God's law. This time, as redeemed Christians, we come to the discovery that we cannot do what
we should do. Before, we learned our guilt. This time, we learn our helplessness. Before we did not, now we cannot.
The apostle Paul has a profound and subtle explanation of this stage in our experience. He has already shown how the law (God is love) should have been naturally operative in us, so that we are love; but owing to our fall into self-centeredness, that same law then confronted us with its demands which self-love cannot fulfill, and thus at last led us to honest admission of our lawlessness.
"...we have to come to a
second despair. Before, our
recognition was that we had
not done what we should
have done in keeping God's
law. This time, as redeemed
Christians, we come to the
discovery that we cannot do
what we should do. Before,
we learned our guilt. This
time, we learn our helpless
ness. Before we did not, now
we cannot."
He goes on to show, mainly in his Romans and Galatians letters, that because we are still not yet free from an innate self-reliance, from the idea that somehow as new men in Christ we can do what we didn't do before, once again the law confronts us with its "You ought," "You must"; and in our illusory self-confidence we jump at the bait. "All right, we will," we say. "We'll do the best we can." And down we fall on our faces. We don't fulfill it, and usually we don't even want to fulfill it. We prefer to please ourselves.

Often the preachers from the pulpits are themselves to blame in their constant exhortations to us to get up and get doing what we can't, and don't honestly want to--for the simple reason that independent self, self-relying self, can only by its very nature be self-pleasing-self. So we come to an impasse. The law, according to Paul, is now completing its job on us. It forces us to face, first our guilt, but now our helplessness.
The Bible is full of illustrations of sincere men, earnestly dedicated lives, who went through the period of their disillusionment, when they had to discover that they could not be or do what they wanted to do. Outstanding are the disciples of Jesus, who were completely sincere in saying they would die for Him, but they ran when the heat was on, Peter to the point of denying Him with curses; and that was just where they learned this second and final lesson—their inability.
I learned it, to give a word of personal experience, when I was as dedicated as I knew how to be. I had responded to the call of God to take Christ to the Congo. That cost me nothing, because I could conceive of no higher honor than to introduce Africans to Him to whom I had had a personal introduction through an Englishman. When out there, my aim was single and concentration total on my calling. But I carried with me this illusory concept we are all born with that I was a servant of Christ and wanted to be the best I could be; and yet I was terribly conscious that I was not what I should be. Particularly, I had not the kind of love which would identify me with those to whom I had gone, or the faith that the things would happen I had come out to see, or the power to see them happen: and when I am dissatisfied with
my standards of ministry, I take it out on my wife by irritability, and my fellow-workers by criticism which must not admit that they have what I have not.
So, though active without, tramping the villages to speak of Jesus, up in the early morning for a couple of hours with God and the Scriptures, within I was unhappy. I began to think that I had been happier before I gave my life to Christ than after. I was bound by self-consciousness, inner strain, disturbed relationships.
I was passing through what I since learned is a stage we all have to pass through when we are miserable Christians and, as I did, think we were happier in the old life than in the new!
"...the only self-giving love in the universe is a Person, not a thing. Therefore, it is
not something He could share with me, but it is Himself, and He can't take parts of Himself and give to me. He can only be Himself."
 Sometimes it has been called "the dark night of the soul," "the wilderness experience," "the dry and thirsty land where no water is," with much more self-consciousness than God-consciousness, more self-concern than concern for the needs of those for whom I had come to Congo.
But, unknown to me, my real trouble lay in another direction. I had the illusory idea that I needed to become something better than I was: I must be a better representative of Jesus Christ, and so forth. I was looking for personal improvement and some further spiritual equipment which would set me on my feet. God and the Spirit were then to be my helpers.

I sought God and searched the Scriptures, as any earnest Christian would do. Surely there in the Bible the answer was to be found, for it talked of love and faith and power and freedom. But the answer I got was in very different terms. It was a confrontation, not this time with the law saying to me, "You ought," but with God turning my attention from myself to Himself by saying to me, "I am." The way it came to me was in that statement I have so often quoted, "God is love." But the emphasis was on the little word "is." It struck me that I had been seeking a God who would say to me, "I have and will give to you." But instead, He was merely saying, "I am," not "I have." It was as if He were saying to me, "You've got it wrong. You thought love was something I had and could therefore share with you. But love is not a thing at all. I am love."
Then I saw that the only self-giving love in the universe is a Person, not a thing. Therefore, it is not something He could share with me, but it is Himself and He can't take parts of Himself and give to me. He can only be Himself. It was my first sight of an exclusive God. the One Person in the universe, who gives nothing but is everything, and therefore, His only giving is to give Himself and just be Himself wherever He does give Himself.
How then do I have my needs supplied, if God has nothing to give me, but in each instance I find that He is (not has' the power, He is (not has) the life; until finally read that "Christ is (not has) all and in all"? That last phrase gave me my key. I saw that my mistake was the idea that He would give me things, and that I would thus become something.

Now I saw that we humans do not exist to become something, but to contain Someone. This was a totally different concept and was the end of my great human illusion that I must be this or become that, centering my attention on what I am or ought to be, and equally depressing me with the recognition of my failing to be all this.
Now I saw that I am to cease to look for improvements in myself, or to center my attention around what I feel or don't feel, whether I am this or have that, why I fail in this or an defeated by that—the whole outlook on life which fixes my attention on myself and my reactions or my adequacies or inadequacies.
The most illuminating illustration I found in the Bible was the several times we are called vessels, because a vessel, a cup, a vase, a can, is strictly limited to one function only. It only exists to be a container. It can be nothing else: and here was this simple though humbling illustration of my relation as a human to God. I only exist to contain Him. A vessel does not become the liquid it holds; they are separate, unmixable entities: so I as a human do not become the power or love or wisdom of God; I merely contain Him who is all these, and everything. How clearly I saw that: we humans are not created to become something, but to contain Someone but that someone is the living God, and, therefore, the All.
This transferred my attention from worrying about myself as the vessel not being this, or being that. Leave myself alone. I am just the container. In place of this, I had it clearly that I was containing a totally exclusive Person who gives nothing, but is all; and I don't contain Him in a relationship in which He imparts various gifts and graces to me, but I am just a means by which He can be himself in a human container. This means that my main function in life changes from activity to receptivity. Activity centers round how I can be this or do that, around my human self. Receptivity is occupied with receiving or recognizing what I contain the only function as a vessel.
I saw how all life is in this same relationship to God. Vegetation exists by what it receives—sunlight and rain. What it receives it utilizes, but it must receive first, then activity is a by-product of receptivity. All science is application, not creation.

"I only exist to contain Him.
A vessel does not become
the liquid it holds; they are
separate, unmixable entities:
so I as a human do not be﷓
come the power or love or
wisdom of God; I merely
contain Him who is all
these, and everything."

Scientists discover what is, and then apply it. We humans have lost our way because we are blinded to the fact of being containers of God, and have substituted our self activity. We have to return to the roots: and it is not even really receptivity, but recognition, for having already received Him, we form the continuous habit of recognizing that we do contain Him. Life at its base becomes a repetition of recognition. What more amazing realization can there be than that we humans contain God?
This is why Jesus stated that rest is the evidence of a life in gear. He said to
us His followers, "Take my yoke upon you ... and you will find rest unto your souls; for my yoke is easy and my burden light." An obvious contradiction in terms. Life is activity—the yoke is pulling the plow: but how can a plow be easy to pull or a burden light to carry? The answer is the difference between activity from inadequacy which is strain, and activity from adequacy which is rest. If we are pulling the plow of our life's problems, relying on our own resources, that is strain, for we haven't got what it takes to meet them. If, in our pressures, we turn inwardly as containers to Him who is the all within, and boldly reckon on Him to handle things, then it is rest in the midst of the activities the habit of recognition.
For many years after his retirement as General Secretary of the Worldwide Evangelization Crusade, Norman Grubb traveled extensively sharing the truth of our union with Christ. He was the author of many books and pamphlets, a number of which are available through the Zerubbabel Book Ministry and now Amazon on Kindle. Norman P Grubb entered the Kingdom at 98 years of age.


The Yes I am series is here

Monday, 30 June 2014

The Jacob Generation

Having seen Michael Kaminski's encouraging reports about Kenya I was saddened to see some kind of rift between him and his host George Odero. I am equally saddened by my own one with Daniel Yordy. Anyhow, these things were being discussed on a thread by Michael yesterday and I felt to lay down some of the bigger picture in two statuses (Facebook)


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I don't understand this situation specifically...and like someone said....I wasn't expecting this after the general really upbuilding reports of earlier.
But it is INTERESTING!!!
This is how I am seeing the time we are in.
We are in an incredible time period.
Absolutely unprecedented.
We need all the inner resources we can,
Prophet Daniel said about these times and the build up to Antichrist a word equivalent to "wondrous or astonishing" but ofcourse NOT USED POSITIVELY.
Just a cursory and not particularly indepth look at how "shrewd" the sons of Darkness have been is mindboggling....it truly left Daniel weak and off food for days....and believe me it IS like that. My wife told me she thought I was having a breakdown.

But into this Darkness a Light is shining.
God told our generation, "2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thy habitations; spare not: lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes.

And this was in the context of Isaiah 54.1 about the barren bringing forth.

But first , do you see....strengthening the stakes.....that means they have to be THICKER and RUN DEEPER than ever before, if we are going to see the sort of glorious rebuild of David's Tabernacle that He has in mind, now stretched across the Earth.

The second thing I want to say is that we are in the time of Jacob's TROUBLE.

Now some have ascribed this to mean Israel.
And some other things.

BUT NONE OF US thought in terms of ALL PARTIES AT THE SAME TIME.

Read Psalm 133 again about the new priesthood God has raised by the Spirit.

Like the dew of Hermon, That cometh down upon the mountains of Zion: For there Jehovah commanded the blessing, Even life for evermore.

Ever thought about that?
What's Mount Hermon, which is overrun by Gentiles got to do with Zion?

That's the POINT. Nothing and everything.

2 HOUSES are rising to be made ONE.

Without saying too much about Israel here because it is TRULY a RE RUN of the original Jacob but this time in corporate form....you watch....while all of Satanic hosts are trying to stop it and boobytrap it

MEANWHILE the Church in the earth is ALSO in the time of Jacob's Trouble.

It's no wonder there is conflict. We can nolonger do church as usual ever again.

It is truly a time of Psalm 24 and Psalm 110

This is the generation of them that seek after him, That seek thy face, even Jacob.

Think about Jacob a moment?
He was the third in a specific line of one consecutive family that sought God with all their heart mind strangth and soul.

And he was the LAST jigsaw in the God package

I AM the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
IN YOU SHALL THEY BE NAMED.

That is in the name of the Revelation of Abraham
combined with
the Revelation of Isaac
combined with the
Revelation of Jacob

The one complete package of dealings that were then rolled out into
a holy nation, the natural Israel.
Who was Israel? Jacob. His name was changed to Prince with God,
or one who has contended with God.

Why is this so important?
Because the evangelical revelation is really just a corporate version
of the faith of Abraham.
The Pentecostal and charismatic outpouring of the last 100 years
is like the wells of Isaac. Supernatural provision.

Jacob’s life BEGINS as a continuation of Isaac....
learning supernatural provison in speckled sheep and striped sheep to order!!!
Very like the charismatic continuation of the Pentecostal outpouring which
led into the Word of faith movement of the 60s 70s and 80s.
Many want to ridicule it. It was entirely in God’s Plan.

BUT THERE IS SOMETHING visceral in Jacob.
Something that moves right outside the realm of religion.
Christo Odero is talking about man as he is, mankind as he is.
Kind of leaving religion out of it.
This is VISCERAL.
This is letting God be God of all of it.
This is the Jacob generation, who are not concerned with line or lineage.
Who are not concerned with forbears.
Who are not concerned with formulas.
But want God FACE TO FACE....in boldness.
Not as a theology....but the reality of God indwelling Man.

Now to have churches like this we must have individuals like this.
We impart Christ in us the hope of glory individual by individual.
And the one affected individual has the genuine stuff which he imparts
to other souls, and so the Word transfers.

Word transfer. Seeking the Face of the God of Jacob.
Abiding in the SHADOW of the Most High....think the Darkness of inside an oven
except the Lord is Light so it can never really be Dark....it just looks that way to onlookers.....

But all this freaky visceral stuff is SO DEEP
SO CUTTING
SO MUCH LIKE GENESIS 15 and the OPEN CARCASSES and the BLOOD
churches that we have now cannot handle it. They are not built for it.

THINK of what Mike Kaminski has endured in disability...his own and his kids.
THINK of the excruciating pain of some of that.

These are the STRENGTHENING OF THE STAKES and the STRENGTHENING of the CORDS of the future church.

Church as it is now has different agenda from just transplanting Christ.
And we as believers must decide

Do we go with the other agenda of an incomplete Abraham and Isaac revelation....
a Halfbuilt Tower

Or do we go right into the THIRDLEVEL of a Peniel Church....where our very Name
gets changed

TO MARRIED

FROM BARREN....TO BEARER OF MANY SONS? Is54.1

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Where we are going is transparency.
God has many of His Church seeking His Face at the moment.
This is not random. This is the birth of a New Church.
This is the birth of what revelations 3 calls "eyesalve".
This is the birth of a new Church age.
THIS IS ACTUALLY the promised Word of the restoration of the Tabernacle of David. This last phrase has been used and quickened since the Holy Spirit was first poured out again in great number 100 years ago.....but it is NOT the same outworking of that Word.
What people have called the Restoration movement was not. We had firm warning about that from 2 famous men.
Smith Wigglesworth and R,Edward Miller.....actually the latter was a report of an angelic manifestation where Fort Lauderdale was mentioned before it meant anything.

Restoration is something born on the inside by God Himself, and we are right in the middle of that. Like most births it is messy.

But the Child of promise has nothing to do with the child of a bondwoman.

I was given a strong Word over 20 years ago, but I want to highlight this phrase.....

"You should fear lest you run ahead of me, lest you build what I am not building. For I build swiftly and well. My work will arise amidst your works and yours will splinter like matchsticks in front of the solidity of My work. When I build, people stand and stare, dumbstruck.
Fear, lest you too be ashamed."

the rest is here


When we "see" properly and accurately we can go from place to place looking to see as Paul said....for Christ crucified.

There is a fragrance, a Presence, a Character formed by the Holy Spirit.
We do not ask is this the work of Kaminski or is this the work of Odero....we ask simply how much of Jesus Christ is born and reproduced in this place?

We should as eunuch ministries of God be able to increasingly move from work to work, honoring the God wrought, and building upon that foundation. But for that ever to occur ministries need to be huge in their inner breadth of wisdom, "seeing", and understanding of all the "Gates of heavenly Jerusalem".

At the moment people are submitted to streams, to ideas, to passions and agendas of men. People are weighed up by which stream they are in submission to, but no one sees clearly to be able to see whether Christ is being imparted in fulness. Those days are coming to a close.
It won't be by friction....it will be simply the unfolding of
the words of Psalm 1 and Isaiah....

4 The wicked are not so, But are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the wicked shall not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

AND

Is.35:8
the literal form YLT
8 And a highway hath been there, and a way, And the `way of holiness' is called to it, Not pass over it doth the unclean, And He Himself [is] by them, Whoso is going in the way -- even fools err not.

See up until now, people have decribed the WAY, and in the most intense worship times people have sensed it starting to arrive....in the same way Elijah's servant saw a "cloud the size of a man's hand"

But this WAY forming itself and birthing itself amongst us will just simply not allow half the things we allow presently. But there won't be any force involved in stopping them....people will just feel idiotic carrying on with the tithing system
carrying on with the halfhearted worship at present
carrying on with the overconstructed sermons of men whose intelligence is great but their hearts are far from the Kingdom
from inadequately Spirit prepared servants of God
from ministry dominance at the expense of a freeflowing Body ministry
of so many of the ways we currently do things but are not really His Son lived by us, nor the real BLOODBOUGHT Church of God.

Sunday, 29 June 2014

Well, I am impressed!!!



Well, I am impressed .
I have just come back from cleaning in the pub to find that yet again the Yes I am post by Norman Grubb is high in the readership Top Ten this week. At least one reason for the blog has been to promote this last book by Norman Grubb which can be read in instalments here, or bought as a book or on Kindle. Yet, even though this blog has now existed for 6 years next month, and has had nearly half a million hits, could i ever get Norman's book in my Top 10 list???? NOPE. And it always puzzled me.

Similarly right now, a propos of nothing....or maybe the Kindle announcement....I find people have naturally been pushing this post or set of posts up the top ten.
WHICH I SAY AGAIN really encourages me. This is part of what this very blog is here for!!!!!


The Yes I am series is here

Saturday, 28 June 2014

Two types of Hairy-tic

Hairy-tic

Facebook Status in the Hairy-tics group

There are two sorts of Hairy-tic.
In Different Drum by M Scott Peck he spells out 4 stages we pass through
1. egotistic and unsocialised
2. socialised
3. wanting to break out again and find what is really OUR TRUTH
4. a contented fusing as we understand who we are and how we work but in the context of the whole.
Peck who was a counsellor, wondered why one set of Christians would continue as Christians after counselling, and another set would do just the opposite.

Well, as for any other person, the Christian version sort of happens in 2,3 and 4.

So you can have a hairy-tic who is in stage 3 reappraising their whole identity....and once the process has settled down they are content to toddle off back to church....but another sort remains a hairy-tic in the more heretic sense and say finds Buddhism is more their thing. Or weird as this sounds to me...someone can go to what was one of the most radical praise churches on the planet....certainly in the UK....then next thing they are going to the most high Anglican service you can find.

Originally the phases as created in God were meant to match our growth.
Because of the Luciferian way in which we are brought up as people in a secular bubble with the briefest dashes of anything religious....much of the idea of worship and sensitivity to the Divine that say a Muslim or orthodox Christian or Buddhist or Orthodox Jew, or American Indian or Aborigine or shaman culture would be be brought up in, certain parts of us are held back....and if you believe in the different cabals all vying Game of Thrones style for supremacy.....then you'd better believe this as deliberate as only allowing Radio 2 music in all the factories, to create a sort of mindless vague level of contentedness while stuffing widges into a doodad on a production conveyorbelt. We are not encouraged in any way to relate to anything outside a certain set of pyramids. If we think too much we might just want to overturn their system which benefits a few.

So Jesus went through the stages in 1 John 2 roughly at the same time as
natural development. By 30 He was a FATHER stage person able by the Spirit to speak the Word necessary to bring 12 ragamuffins into His own Father stage of development.

WE HOWEVER are rather catching up.
Most westerners don't know they have been raised lopsidedly in the leftbrain and need to spend a certain portion of their adult life getting back in touch with who they really are. THIS HAS THE LOOK OF being a heretic. BUT IT IS totally necessary psychologically if all the parts of our being are going to progress to the next stage. The final stage demands utter harmony between all parts of us.
ie....it just isn't good enough if all the while we are squashing down a rather nattered and bruised upbringing, trying with all our might to swim as fast as we can with our head above water, to try and show that we are every bit as good as the next man.

Secondlevel churches start to become a problem about the time individuals should really be entering into the father stage of Christianity, but all they are faced with every week is a pyramid pastor who may allow five to ten minutes free stuff...but basically it's still largely his show, and he loves to be paid a tithe to ever keep it that way. None of this is Biblical Christianity.

Someone said yesterday they hate the phrase
And we should gather ourselves together ever more often as we see the Day approaching
Well, for the reasons above....GATHERING just fills you with shudders.
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Chris Welch Oh....the other sort of Hairy-tic is in Hebrews 13.13
One who
"enlarges the place of the tents" as it says in Isaiah.

Friday, 27 June 2014

What Is Thirdlevel Intercession?



















Facebook questions around my phrase :  thirdlevel intercession is apparent.

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Chris Welch One of the things God is and does is be for others. We cannot "ask God into our life" (as if He wasn't there) experience a rebirth from Darkness to Light, let Him establish Himself in us and expect Him to behave suddenly differently.
He is SELF FOR OTHERS. HE is intercession. Laying His life down for others.
His first intercession by us , while all the other "self for other " things are going on...is interceding within us that we become established in who we now are....or as Francois DuToit puts it....who we always were but never knew or forgot.
This takes place in our 1 John 2 Child Stage and the young man stage. At least a good part of what is going on , but by no means all, is intercession to get US established and on into adulthood in Christ.
There are many things that can shortcircuit us.....( the first bunch of Israelites grew hard of heart and died in the wilderness) but if we don't harden our hearts God is faithful to bring His own Life to maturity in us.
Now this is no different to the natural world. Kids tend to be absorbed more with self...AND THAT ISN'T wholly wrong. You need to be growing in all ways ever to reach adulthood....but there comes this shock in fallen natural life....when self absorbed youngsters (both in the right way and the wrong way) suddenly learn the universe does not revolve around them at epicentre.....and they start to hold down jobs, and provide for their own families etc.

In the Spirit....maturity....or fatherhood...or knowing Him/fusing/ with Him who is from the beginning is when we start moving into the unique commissions God has us all in. We become pourers outers. As i said from DAY ONE we start to become that. John says....herein we know we are in Him....
whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

Having experienced the love of God....we begin truly and unconditionally to love others.
But often in the hurly burly of the "fixing stage" we feel like we are in a no.3 wash in a washing machine. We don't know which way up we are.

But Romans 6 to 8 doesn't last forever.....and once we "see Him in us as us" properly....everything settles down much more and everything we do is done "out of rest"

So that was the phrase "thirdlevel intercession".
By apparent we mean JESUS HIMSELF was not evil.
Jesus HIMSELF is ALIVE. ETERNALLY.
But our ADAMIC DEATH which He carried into the grave with Him, really did kill Him...or killed His first mortal body anyway. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh....but unlike Adam....never blew it...
so as the Last Adam He was the Perfect Lamb to take our condition completely on Himself and lose it in the Eternal waste dump. From whence the Spirit raised Him up according to the will of the Father.
And there you have the Trinity in operation.

Jesus is now in the heavenlies with the Father, but the Spirit's role is on Earth preparing the Bride.
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Chris Welch One of the processes we go through is "being framed". That is people ascribe to us things which are not us. if we refuse to do other than what Jesus is doing through us...this is what it means to go the way of the Lamb.....we march through all these "apparent fixes" and the Spirit unlocks doors by us.

This "apparent " nature of things is prefigured by Abraham.
God took an instamatic photo for all time of the moment Abraham raised his knife to slaughter the Child of Promise. It was an "apparent" moment. But it was what God needed to be able to tie down the Covenant on earth and begin the huge adventure of salvation. This was God in Abraham....being willing to sacrifice not just his own son...if that wasn't incredible enough....but this was maxed up millions of times by virtue of Isaac being a total miracle son, a Child of God's Word promise, and thus something that was totally God for Abraham....and even then he was still willing.
For this reason God has fixed the promise of natural Israel AS WELL as supernatural Israel, which we all become by faith.

Sunday, 22 June 2014

David Hathaway April and May 2014

Chris writes: I post these two latest updates from  David Hathaway.
I recognise the call upon his life in much the same vein as I do Morris Cerullo and Rheinhard Bonnke and Benny Hinn.
But I don't like the way all of them seem unaware of God's secret army that are being thrust out right now, people like Michael Kaminski who was in Kenya last week or so. Jesus DOES have things in hand. But not in some easy way, or some gentle handover kind of way. This 50s generation seem the last to observe what God is actually doing, which makes them prone to terrible Ishmaels if they don't listen very acutely to the Holy Spirit, out of the manic burden they feel for the lost. It is NOT our generation's fault we don't show up on their radar screens. All we've been doing is trying to grasp the blueprint in much finer detail then just blitzing places Cerullo style with a basic gospel of forgiveness and blessing followed by a zap me do encounter with the Holy Spirit. If that was my first night, I would spend the next 4 nights on explaining more about how the Kingdom operates. This older generation have become dull of hearing concerning the "HOW" of God....their writings do not resemble the Holy Spirit clarity upon St Paul and the other apostles. This troubled me way back in my 14th year just after being baptised in the Spirit. I spent the first summer holidays in particular reading and rereading the new testament letters, but I could not yet put my finger on what my pastor and Tim la Haye, and Dennis Bennett were NOT saying. This whole blog is about what David is NOT saying. He is particularly frustrating because in himself, the Holy Spirit HAS worked many thirdlevel attributes, but this is smething the Holy Spirit has done almost direct and unspoken....so David is sometimes a bit like St Peter speaking under the anointing in Acts 2. Peter spoke so clearly that the Promise was to ALL men...those far and those near....but by the time he had his trance at  his time of prayer and saw the sheet coming down from heaven, he had completely forgotten. David is very bad at explaining the doctrines of what the Holy Spirit has worked in him....it's like an operation which the Spirit undertook in Communist jails...but perhaps David was under Holy Ghost anaesthetic the whole time, because he certainly cannot explain it in terms to help other people. You almost feel like flying to China and getting them to lock you up  in jail so you can get the same testimony.

The second thing relates to David's ideas about Israel and Europe. David ignores that Ezekiel talks of a nation ruled from Sidon area (Tel Aviv)...complete rebels....and naively ministers in Israel as if this is the same nation described later by Ezekiel ruled from Jerusalem. He also ignores what Grant Jeffrey told us , namely that Israel is building a New Temple for "their |Messiah". Europe , like America...are stepping stone powers....but the aim of Antichrist is to instal himself at Jerusalem under the name of Apollos or Lightbringer, or Lucifer, or Prometheus, or Ra or Isis. Indeed the Roman empire NEVER LEFT...it just changed its spots becoming the "Holy (UNHOLY) Roman empire"....but the figure seen in different stages and manifestations by Daniel, has been more or less the same image of CONTROL in the secondheavens, where the principalities and powers have operated, in one unbroken chain since the time of Daniel until now.

This to our generation is extremely obvious...but John Hagee and Morris Cerullo have completely missed the secret realities that are now ever more widely exposed on the internt and much much more in keeping with true history and the passages in the Bible. But that said....all these ministries are bold....and are seizing opportunities to invade with the gospel. David Hathaway writes below:

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30 April 2014
Dear Friends
Several of you asked whether we received the £300,000 we asked you to pray for in March, I did say
that we actually received £200,000 from those of you who were able to help, but the real miracle
was that God gives 'exceeding abundantly, above what we ask'; including a one-off gift, the actual
amount we received was  £l million!! Praise the Lord!
As you know, our main evangelistic outreach this year is to reach the whole of Poland. With your
help we are covering the ongoing costs in instalments of approximately £85,000 per month.
However, while the budget remains exactly as forecast a year ago, this did not include the cost of the
buses which will be needed to bring the thousands from all parts of Poland. So far, six months in
advance, we have a total of 603 (yes, you read it correctly), six hundred and three buses already
booked! The final total may exceed a thousand buses, plus all those travelling by train, by car and
even on foot! The extra we need to cover this is over £600,000 on top of the original budget!
it is difficult for us here in Britain actually to visualise what God is about to do in Poland. Nothing like
this has been seen in Europe before. In 2012 we actually counted over 80,000 who attended the
meetings, not in a stadium, but on an airfield in Krakow. This year in Katowice we are holding the
meetings in the largest open air recreational park in Europe and – by prayer and the power of the
Holy Spirit –we could see well over 100,000 attend!!!

So far, six months in
advance, we have a total of 603 buses 

But we do very much need urgent prayer over the situation in all the countries bordering Russia. Our
main European office is in Estonia, our support workers in Latvia and Lithuania; they need prayer to
protect them from Russia 'defending Russian-speaking people outside Russia'. These countries have
requested NATO troops, and I see that NATO troops have already been sent to Poland for protection.
When God called me to Europe, He both revealed the prophetic significance and the timeline. Over
the years, many have questioned why I have said that God has always been specific in telling me
where to go and when. Yet looking back the timing was always right – and the truth of prophetic
revelation is not merely to prophesy a future – but to see in retrospect that it actually happened as
God warned me.
For example, after 25 years of working in communist countries God told me to hold the now famous
'East/West Conferences' in Karlsruhe because the Iron Curtain would open; within 3 years it did. In
1993 after Russia opened, He told me to take 400 people to Siberia for 3 months. This we did in
1994. Even one year later what we achieved would have been impossible. God warned me that
Russia would not remain open for evangelism, and in 2005 told me to move into the Baltics. In Russia
it is now impossible to rent any public hall or stadium for religious purposes, although they still issue
me with a multiple entry religious visa! Now time is running out in the Baltics and even Poland is
under threat – but my next move is into Western Europe, the EU. My call from God was clear exactly
50 years ago this year – Europe! But God also said that I would end my ministry in Israel!!!

For example, after 25 years of working in communist countries God told me to hold the now famous 'East/West Conferences' in Karlsruhe because the Iron Curtain would open; within 3 years it did.



The call of God is on my life – the vision remains clear and unclouded – Europe, then Israel, then
Christ returns. Exactly as Hudson Taylor prophesied in 1889. That is why I need your support in
prayer and in finance because Jesus said, 'The fields are ready for harvest but there are too few
workers.' In 1941 in Kilsyth, Scotland, as a boy aged 8 years I heard the voice of God saying, 'Who will
go and work for Me today, who will win for Me the lost and dying, who will bring them to the narrow
way?', and I answered Him saying, 'Speak my Lord. Speak to me, speak and I will answer, Lord send
me.' Seven years later in Brighton aged 15 He told me the price I must pay to serve Him. He said,
'David you must give Me everything.' Again I said yes. Down through the years I have not changed
nor has God. Both question and answer remain the same! That is why I ask you not only to support,
but encourage others to support this call. I know this is why I was born and, like Moses, Elijah and
David of old — God had a plan for my life.
We are living in difficult times — Egypt, Syria, Nigeria, Ukraine and the latest news from Israel etc, are
evidence of a growing unrest. I believe that we are living in the last days when there is a satanic
power taking control even in our major nations like America, China, Russia, the EU and the Middle
East. I believe that we are living in the last days during which we will still be able to evangelise. Thank
God that even as recently as 2012 1 was able to evangelise very powerfully in two of the Ukrainian
towns which are now the centre of the 'Russian Protest', Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
I believe that the EU is the restoration of the Roman Empire, as I have shown in both my book
'Babylon in Europe' and DVD 'The Rape of Europe'. Before the Return of Christ, the antichrist must
appear and according to the Bible, there will be a period of spiritual darkness when, as Jesus said, 'no
man can work', John 9:4. For this reason and the urgent need to evangelise Europe before the end
comes, I feel strongly led to return to the subject of Bible Prophecy, as I believe that God does reveal
what is about to happen to His prophets. As a result Eurovision has an agreement with an evangelical
group in Britain who have researched 'The EU and the antichrist', and have produced a report which I
have read. I recommend it and, although some of it may be controversial, it is the best researched
report I have seen on the relationship between what I have already written on the EU and the
identity of the antichrist. If you enter the following link on your computer you will see the preview
free and can then download the whole document for a fee, If you have no computer — you will need
to talk to someone who has, as this and other reports we shall offer you are only available online:
www.eu-antichrist.com
David Hathaway

28 May 2014

Dear Friends
Thank you for your prayers and support, this is very important to me. To evangelise is an enormous battle these days, public opinion is against any form of religious 'proselytization' as they call it. They never see evangelism as it really is, a battle to rescue souls from a lost eternity and offer them a new life with Christ and deliverance from the power of the devil! That is the reason why the devil hates us and fights tooth and claw to hinder us!
But praise God we are on the winning side — victory is ours through Christ. That is why despite all the problems, we are succeeding both in Europe and Israel. I have recently returned from evangelism in Finland — small, yes, but opening a door which may lead to a real move of God in that nation. We must not be afraid to start small — if God is in it, then we shall see a tsunami of God's power!
Just this week as I write this, I have returned from a fruitful visit to Israel. The first thing was to meet with the leaders of the Russian Messianic group of 40 congregations with whom we are working. They tell me that the door is very wide open, we must increase our work while there is opportunity. The problem is not lack of opportunity, but limitation because we need the finance. However we will hold a small mission in Israel this year in November, after Poland, but the major emphasis will be May next year — to hold the largest evangelistic mission in Israel since the days of the Apostle Paul! It will change the face of the nation. I will be meeting up to 50 converted Rabbis in Israel shortly. I also had a very significant meeting in the Knesset.
God is moving by His Power in Poland, and now our major need is for more powerful prayer and a lot more finance! We believe that it is important for us to concentrate in this area of Katowice this year. Because of the location, many buses will be coming from the surrounding countries including Slovakia and possibly Ukraine and even Belarus — with the possibility that we may evangelise Slovakia next year, God is giving us a strong strategy for the future! Unless God shows otherwise, this may be our last major mission in Poland and, because the Catholic Church is experiencing a major upheaval, it is vital that we show the message of Jesus, that salvation is not through works, church membership or infant baptism, but that we are only saved by confession of our faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus,
As you know the situation in Ukraine is still volatile. We need to pray that the newly elected President can defeat the troublemakers now that Putin has withdrawn his support for them. We are in direct contact with Believers in Donetsk and the suggestion is that someone is paying unemployed drug addicts money to throw bombs or attack people with guns; if you have a lot of alcoholics and drug addicts on the streets, they will do crazy things for money to pay for the next fix. I have had to cancel my evangelistic mission scheduled for the first week in June in the troubled city of Donetsk!

But by faith I am invited to a major conference of Ukrainian pastors in Donetsk in September 19-21, and have accepted the dates, believing that God will miraculously intervene.
If you want to come with US to be part of the Katowice Mission, which is September 5-6-7, there are direct flights from the UK and we can organise a tour of Auschwitz (which is only 40 minutes from Katowice) for you. There is a hotel in Katowice we can recommend if you let us know quickly, most hotels are filling rapidly – this one would be approximately E55 per night shared or £110 single, or you can arrange your own accommodation. We do ask you to continue with special prayer for this mission, the devil will always try to stop us and we desperately need finance. But with Christ we already have the victory and this should be the largest outreach ever held in Europe! You can see the size of the Mission if you look on the web link www.festiwalzycia.com
This month I am speaking in Tubingen, Germany, followed by Denmark. So you see that the work continues in addition to the larger outreaches – Europe is a vast mission field and still the least evangelised continent in the world! So much of prophecy is being fulfilled in Europe and I shall be dealing with this both in these newsletters and the next magazine. Many of the major events leading up to the return of Christ will be in Europe, and if you have not seen my film, 'The Rape of Europe', you should buy it because when we released it 12 years ago people did not believe it – but now it is being literally fulfilled daily, and I intend to show you the next steps in prophecy – which will be fulfilled in our lifetimes! We have a new website if you want to download more on the EU in prophecy www.eu-antichrist.com
David Hathaway

Thursday, 19 June 2014

Jargon Recap






Mark Jones Thanks for providing the blog links, Chris. I don't know if it's just me but I struggle to follow some of the things you are saying. It's not a left-brain vs. right-brain thing, I think, but lack of context / information. For instance, I don't really know what you mean by "1st / 2nd / 3rd level church" (though I've started now reading some of your blogs on the topic) or the "order of Melchizedek" (I've come across the latter concept before but I'm not sure if we're thinking about the same things).

If you could generally give some more background information about things that may not be universally-understood concepts, or blog links if you've written before about it before, I think it would help (me at least anyway). Thanks mate.
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Chris Welch 1. a thirdlevel church....and I don't know of one...is like a bus that has its destination sign clearly written...say Portsmouth to Glasgow and not London or York.
 Denominational churches are forever quoting thirdlevellers ...St Francis,Madame Guyon, Fenelon, Basilea Schlink....but similar to the manner in which they quote the Bible itself they haven't a clue how to "get there" nor how to make those other experiences their reality. They should really have Petersfield on the front of their buses. 1 John2 spells it out. The child stage is our entrance into the Kingdom through the shed blood of Jesus.
The young man stage is like mature evangelical churches or charismatic churches that start to talk more about our new identity. Dave Bilbrough : I am a new creation. A fight of faith. many in this phase leave or progress no further than their child stage of believing.
Stage 3.only happens after your consciousness has been "fixed" in the new Christ reality in stage 2. And like a fruitbearing plant you toddle off to scatter some seed elsewhere. So far since Acts 2 and perhaps Antioch we don't know of any other thirdlevel churches. Clearly Paul intended Corinthians to be one in time...but beacuse he was killed and because Acts is unfinished we don't know the outcome.

 2. Many charismatic churches are led by pastors who don't know how to follow the Spirit. So after half an hour's song list...which they have usually vetted....they then recommence something like a standard protestant sequence of events in a church meeting.
If people really lock in to the Living Presence of Jesus Christ, then the meetings really start to function according to Christ's own Priesthood at the right hand of God the father. The environment Jesus moves in, the protocols, can be summed up in the phrase...the Melchizedek Order.
The reason so many are being called to "soak", to seek the face of God, to wait on Him, is because this is how we gain sensitivity to "only doing what we see the Father doing". Churches that don't have this sensitivity, (also described in Psalm 123) are already beginning to stick out like sore thumbs...but this will only increase in time.

Wednesday, 18 June 2014

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Great Titles by Norman Grubb




Who Am I?

God Unlimited

The Law of faith

Yes I am

Once Caught, No Escape

The Spontaneous You

The Liberating Secret

The Deep Things of God

No Independent Self


To all believers ...it's as simple as this

Intercession in Action


Paul's Key to the Liberated Life: Romans 6 to 8

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Life: The What, The Who, The Why by Page Prewitt

The Intercession of Rees Howells
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Monday, 16 June 2014

Roel Velema on Watchman Nee


From "Christ in me" to "Christ as me"

We thank God for the increasing light relative to His fulness. Many Christians are aware that Christ is in them, yet as a Someone apart from them. We recognize this when someone says: “I am perfect in Christ, but not yet in myself”. Once this apartness or dualism has gone, and we see that we died and are one spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we can have a single eye that Christ is ALL. Then we have moved from “Christ in me” to “Christ as me”, from ‘receive’ to ‘be’.
 Watchman Nee never used the expression “Christ as me” and therefore didn’t have the full light yet, but in his following words he definitely moves in the right direction:

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by Watchman Nee

 First we must understand clearly that God has not constituted Christ our example to be copied. He is not giving us His strength to help us imitate Christ. 



Watchman Nee or Ni To Sheng
He has not even planted Christ within us to help us to be Christ-like. Galatians 2:20 is not our standard for record-breaking endeavor. It is not a high aim to be aspired to through long seeking and patient progress. No, it is not God’s aim at all, but God’s method.

When Paul says, “Yet no longer I, but Christ liveth in me,” he is showing us how only Christ satisfies God’s heart. This is the life that gives God satisfaction in the believer, and there is no substitute. “Not I, but Christ,” means Christ instead of me. When Paul uses these words, he is not claiming to have attained something his readers have not yet reached to. He is defining the Christian life. The Christian life is the Christ life. Christ in me has become my life, and is living my life instead of me. It is not even that I trust Him as a separate, sufficient act. No, God gives Him to be my life.

Moreover, in the new life there is a law—the law that determines what that life is like in expression. It is not just that a life is present in me, for if this were all, I would then have to hold tightly onto it. No, there is a law of that life (Romans 8:2), and that law looks after itself.

The daily life of the Christian is summed up in the word “receive.” Every challenging thing that God demands of me—long-suffering, meekness, humility, goodness, holiness, joy—is not something I am, or something I do, or some virtue I acquire or attain to. It is Christ in me. Each is the manifestation of Him. Let Him be revealed, naturally and spontaneously, and that is enough.

He has not even planted Christ within us to help us to be Christ-like.

 “He is made unto us …” (1 Cor. 1:30). If He were our Justifier, Sanctifier, Redeemer, we could understand. But it does not say He does these things. It uses abstract nouns: He is these things (1 Cor. 1:30). Christ in us meets every demand of God, and every demand of the circumstances around us.
It is not in us to be humble, nor shall we find it helps to trust in the power of Christ to make us humble. Christ is humble, naturally—that is, by his very nature—and He is made our humility, for Christ is our all. Even faith and trust and obedience, if we regard them as virtues by which we attain, will prove ineffective. It is not that I trust His word, therefore I can be long-suffering. It is that Christ is long-suffering, and, praise God, Christ is in me! Once again, this is Isaac, natural, simple, spontaneous, trusting implicitly and without question, because the Father has made absolutely sufficient provision.
How can we be victorious, righteous, holy?

He is these things