I want you to read this excerpt. It wasn't written by John Noble or Gerald Coates or Maurice Smith in a Fulness magazine in the mid 70s and illustrated by crazy drawings or plasticine models at the side by Nick Butterworth and Mick Inkpen. But it is virtually identical. It is written by Jamie Weeks here. And it is very similar to the blogpost Lydia did on reflections of Hong Kong.
They describe what I call Covenant Love meals. You know the sort Jesus had just before His death...and then subsequently on the road to Emmaus at which the two disciples experienced that glowing warmness ...no burning feeling they had...and they knew it just had to be Jesus!!
These and the times we now experience, are mini fulfilments of the Feast of Tabernacles/the Feast of Booths. It's the reality of the Body of Christ lived!!!
I am believing that all our Sunday meetings are going to become more and more like this. Again, how can I be so confident? Because that is what is happening in Havant. Christine said the Key of David meeting was awesome. It was Jesus Himself coming with a fresh revelation of His Grace.
In the afternoon Peter and Helen were describing some of the practical mechanics behind running these meetings. The history is that they felt to explore as a worship group and a few others, how you ascend the hill of the Lord. They wanted a safe place to learn and to make mistakes, away from the main congregation. It was here they learned about pressing in through the second level of principalities and powers, until a breakthrough occurs and they know something of a manifestation of the glory of God. Its like the 3rd heaven breaking through into earth realm.
These became monthly meetings open for outsiders to come. But then Florida happened and ever since, our Sunday meetings have been becoming more and more like the Key of David meetings. Not quite on the same level...but today , which I actually got to, was very precious.
We have to be free to learn these things...without resorting back to the familiar...the comfort zone...the tried and tested...the boring.Peter and Mariette are exporting our findings usually with teams from our church into Spain and USA and wherever they feel God calling.
Back to Jamie's excerpt.If you've not seen it read this!
But here is what I want to somehow attempt to express: We heard marvelous truths taught during the conference. We knew God was choreographing events because many of the subjects our small group discussed privately would be touched on later by either Steve or Paul. Incredible! And Steve and Paul pushed into the deeper truths of what it means to have Christ formed in you. This was no milk for babies or for the easily offended. This was meat for those who know that CHRIST IN US should eventually be CHRIST AS US! YES!!!!But still...it wasn't those moments of confirmation that were the miracle of our week-end.Nope, as gooood as they were.It was sitting at breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Sitting in the bar or standing around waiting to start. Just talking. Just sharing our hearts. Just being the Church.And questioning everything we've ever been taught about what we, the ekklesia, should look like.Questioning manmade structures be they buildings or set programs. Questioning giving and being missional. Questioning and challenging and trusting the Christ in each one of us to show us truth.And that was the miracle. Seeing and being Christ to each other! Being the Body of Christ.Without a pastor, a building, a sermon, an offering, a structured agenda, or any hierarchy. Just the Body trusting the Head to keep us and grow us. We ministered to each other!! THAT IS A BIG GOD THING!!What if the reason the modern church is in crisis is because the modern church is too afraid to trust God and just step out in relational fellowship??? What if we REALLY CAN trust Christ to be our Head and the Holy Spirit to lead us into all Truth through each other???What if??I for one was forever changed. And I'm not going back.
Sunday, 5 April 2009
Tuesday, 31 March 2009
Christine's Hanging Basket example
So the Godliness post showed us that we need to be stacked out with God's Word
Not to impress friends
Not to pass RE exams
Not to walk around religiously quoting stuff to the guy at the fish and chips shop
Not to pass Bible College finals
We need to know the Word sdrawkcab forewards upside down(google doesn't do this)
Because this is how life works
Because when we know it ,it can begin to move from left-brain to right-brain
and become us...and not just something in our restricted "spout-zone"...the mouth region.
While this is happening there are some "direct lines of attack"
Swift right-brain or more importantly spirit insertion tools
(Cut -out the middle man...the gobby bit of you!)
The gifts of the spirit both for the user and the recipient are all geared for this.
The gift of tongues is one of the best for this.
Praise and worship. Praise literally waits for God. Literally is a reception foyer! Why do you think all Billy Graham crusades began with Cliff Barrows. And all Morris Cerullo events begin with Black African praise...(cos the English praisers are too cerebral and cannot be trusted to bring the real Presence of God)
Fire tunnels
This lovely technique is the Body in action. Instead of being prayed for by one anointed person,you go through a tunnel of a gazillion anointed people.
Fire Tunnels in the UK. I'm not an expert. But I do know we use them here at the May Conferences in Havant.
Larger tunnels - but anointing isn't always size right!!!- can be found here:
RiverCamp August Bank Holiday Weekend
We have a secret weapon in our church like Ursula...she is over 60 and should know better..well actually she shouldn't know better...she's called Sylvia. One of our Mums in Zion. A prayer warrior. Anyhoo at the last River Camp Fire Tunnel she could be seen staggering about...well that's far too mobile a word...more crawling and collapsing...then using her finger in the shape of a pistol...to shoot God's blessing on people.
She's high up in the local social services you know!!! No, I mean she is employed as a skilled worker! Not high up the register!!
River Camp, by the way is not some quaint Anglican come Scoutcamp by a river. There is no physical river in sight..or in site.... only the River of God.
In fact when I knew they did lots of "soaking" I imagined lots of girlies lying with their backs on cushions...doing some gentle Vineyard thing...thinking to myself...how on earth will Ben cope with that?
But it turns out it is an Elim Camp...but you'd never know...bit like Capel Bible Week that Ern Baxter preached at in 1976. Certainly no one from the inner core leadership of Elim in Britain ever shows up there...far too dignified!! Which is probably why it's OK.
The kids work is outstanding at every age level....often exceeding the adults meetings...which is saying something. The praise band is incredible. The presence of God almost floors you when you go onto the camp grounds because of decades of prayer and "healing rooms" (John G Lake-style)type activity there.
Last year we ran an "open caravan policy" for all the posh riff raff in our church who went and stayed in bed and breakfasts!!! They are not making that mistake twice. Many are staying on site this year.
Christine received special insight as a result of the last Fire Tunnel which ties in directly with these last posts about our spirits, and our spirits expressed through this so underdeveloped right-brain region of ours.
She was watering some hanging baskets during a dry spell after being away last summer. She noticed the first couple of waterings appeared to run straight off, because the soil was so dry.
She felt God say something about this regarding English left-brain people when confronted with the Holy Spirit . Those spiritual parts of us are so so so dry in England..
We're so used to living from, managing everything, doing everything from these little pea sized left-brain computers of ours...that when the water of the Holy Spirit is first applied...it cannot do anything. It almost runs straight off. We have to soak several times to even water those areas of us that eventually will have the capacity to recive God's Presence.
We have to do many repeated applications. We have to be like Naaman in the Old Testament and dip 7 times...both to humble our proud self-sufficient left-brains and also simply because our spirits need that to begin softening up and then be able to take the application!!
Our left-brains need humbling!!! Oh yes they do! They were never meant to be the foundation we live from. They are usurpers to the throne!! The truth is we are far bigger than that with far bigger capacities...to love, to laugh, to be filled with joy,
to praise, to receive wisdom - the supernatural, to fulfil the first and second commandments with ease...remember them??? Love God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength and love others as we love ourselves....and even greater love than this in the New Covenant.
Einstein never learned about relativity from his left-brain. His left-brain only came up with the maths afterwards as a proof. He was dreaming about a sunbeam at the time. His right brain got it first.
The truth is Britain is a creative place. But you'd never know it from the left-brain buttoned up manner in which we conduct ourselves. People need acouple of units of alcohol before they will even talk to each other. What a country!!Famously known for this in all the world. Actually only a few steps off autism. Living with Argentinians during the 1981 Argentinian war period...but over here in Emsworth, this became painfully apparent.
Well England this is not Kingdom! So as more and more come into the new life in the Spirit...you'd better get used to a bit of change. As people become less Dalek like...and come into the real world. For over 100 years the English have been saying to Pentecostal people ...you're not in the real world. No England, we're becoming normal! You are weird...ask any other nation.
The left-brain tends to only function like Richard Dawkins says...from what it can receive as definite input from the 5 senses. So when externals dry up in hard times, all the left-brain can do is come back with increasingly shrinking data about its straitened circumstances. God gave me a picture of this like a hamster wheel. Britons who are locked into their left-brains are like a hamster....they think they are doing something definite, but in reality they are moving paper around, they are just going round and round on a wheel! And then they develop an education system to teach other people how to live on a hamster wheel. And they take great pride in it.Instead of teaching the stuff that came over to this country 2000 years ago in the gospel...."Seek God and Live".
We need to learn familiarity with the River of God!
Good Word Christine! Britain are you listening?
picture taken from http://www.ambius.co.uk/showcase/catalogue/hanging-baskets.aspx?gclid=CKuB_s28z5kCFQETGgodgGcytw Their views may not be reflected in this post
Not to impress friends
Not to pass RE exams
Not to walk around religiously quoting stuff to the guy at the fish and chips shop
Not to pass Bible College finals
We need to know the Word sdrawkcab forewards upside down(google doesn't do this)
Because this is how life works
Because when we know it ,it can begin to move from left-brain to right-brain
and become us...and not just something in our restricted "spout-zone"...the mouth region.
While this is happening there are some "direct lines of attack"
Swift right-brain or more importantly spirit insertion tools
(Cut -out the middle man...the gobby bit of you!)
The gifts of the spirit both for the user and the recipient are all geared for this.
The gift of tongues is one of the best for this.
Praise and worship. Praise literally waits for God. Literally is a reception foyer! Why do you think all Billy Graham crusades began with Cliff Barrows. And all Morris Cerullo events begin with Black African praise...(cos the English praisers are too cerebral and cannot be trusted to bring the real Presence of God)
Fire tunnels
This lovely technique is the Body in action. Instead of being prayed for by one anointed person,you go through a tunnel of a gazillion anointed people.
Fire Tunnels in the UK. I'm not an expert. But I do know we use them here at the May Conferences in Havant.
Larger tunnels - but anointing isn't always size right!!!- can be found here:
RiverCamp August Bank Holiday Weekend
We have a secret weapon in our church like Ursula...she is over 60 and should know better..well actually she shouldn't know better...she's called Sylvia. One of our Mums in Zion. A prayer warrior. Anyhoo at the last River Camp Fire Tunnel she could be seen staggering about...well that's far too mobile a word...more crawling and collapsing...then using her finger in the shape of a pistol...to shoot God's blessing on people.
She's high up in the local social services you know!!! No, I mean she is employed as a skilled worker! Not high up the register!!
River Camp, by the way is not some quaint Anglican come Scoutcamp by a river. There is no physical river in sight..or in site.... only the River of God.
In fact when I knew they did lots of "soaking" I imagined lots of girlies lying with their backs on cushions...doing some gentle Vineyard thing...thinking to myself...how on earth will Ben cope with that?
But it turns out it is an Elim Camp...but you'd never know...bit like Capel Bible Week that Ern Baxter preached at in 1976. Certainly no one from the inner core leadership of Elim in Britain ever shows up there...far too dignified!! Which is probably why it's OK.
The kids work is outstanding at every age level....often exceeding the adults meetings...which is saying something. The praise band is incredible. The presence of God almost floors you when you go onto the camp grounds because of decades of prayer and "healing rooms" (John G Lake-style)type activity there.
Last year we ran an "open caravan policy" for all the posh riff raff in our church who went and stayed in bed and breakfasts!!! They are not making that mistake twice. Many are staying on site this year.
Christine received special insight as a result of the last Fire Tunnel which ties in directly with these last posts about our spirits, and our spirits expressed through this so underdeveloped right-brain region of ours.
She was watering some hanging baskets during a dry spell after being away last summer. She noticed the first couple of waterings appeared to run straight off, because the soil was so dry.
She felt God say something about this regarding English left-brain people when confronted with the Holy Spirit . Those spiritual parts of us are so so so dry in England..
We're so used to living from, managing everything, doing everything from these little pea sized left-brain computers of ours...that when the water of the Holy Spirit is first applied...it cannot do anything. It almost runs straight off. We have to soak several times to even water those areas of us that eventually will have the capacity to recive God's Presence.
We have to do many repeated applications. We have to be like Naaman in the Old Testament and dip 7 times...both to humble our proud self-sufficient left-brains and also simply because our spirits need that to begin softening up and then be able to take the application!!
Our left-brains need humbling!!! Oh yes they do! They were never meant to be the foundation we live from. They are usurpers to the throne!! The truth is we are far bigger than that with far bigger capacities...to love, to laugh, to be filled with joy,
to praise, to receive wisdom - the supernatural, to fulfil the first and second commandments with ease...remember them??? Love God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength and love others as we love ourselves....and even greater love than this in the New Covenant.
Einstein never learned about relativity from his left-brain. His left-brain only came up with the maths afterwards as a proof. He was dreaming about a sunbeam at the time. His right brain got it first.
The truth is Britain is a creative place. But you'd never know it from the left-brain buttoned up manner in which we conduct ourselves. People need acouple of units of alcohol before they will even talk to each other. What a country!!Famously known for this in all the world. Actually only a few steps off autism. Living with Argentinians during the 1981 Argentinian war period...but over here in Emsworth, this became painfully apparent.
Well England this is not Kingdom! So as more and more come into the new life in the Spirit...you'd better get used to a bit of change. As people become less Dalek like...and come into the real world. For over 100 years the English have been saying to Pentecostal people ...you're not in the real world. No England, we're becoming normal! You are weird...ask any other nation.
The left-brain tends to only function like Richard Dawkins says...from what it can receive as definite input from the 5 senses. So when externals dry up in hard times, all the left-brain can do is come back with increasingly shrinking data about its straitened circumstances. God gave me a picture of this like a hamster wheel. Britons who are locked into their left-brains are like a hamster....they think they are doing something definite, but in reality they are moving paper around, they are just going round and round on a wheel! And then they develop an education system to teach other people how to live on a hamster wheel. And they take great pride in it.Instead of teaching the stuff that came over to this country 2000 years ago in the gospel...."Seek God and Live".
We need to learn familiarity with the River of God!
Good Word Christine! Britain are you listening?
picture taken from http://www.ambius.co.uk/showcase/catalogue/hanging-baskets.aspx?gclid=CKuB_s28z5kCFQETGgodgGcytw Their views may not be reflected in this post
Key Of David - Training, then evening session
This Saturday 4th April there are some spaces for leaders and worship groups to attend the Key of David Sessions. The training sessions have been found to be helpful, then on to the practical session in the evening. The office would know how much space is available. We' re not a huge church. admin@portsdowncc.org.uk
People travel quite large distances for these more regional events.
Venue: Beacon Church Store Front upstairs in the Meridian Centre, Havant Shopping Centre
People travel quite large distances for these more regional events.
Venue: Beacon Church Store Front upstairs in the Meridian Centre, Havant Shopping Centre
Sunday, 29 March 2009
Evangelicals preach on it,Sometimes Spirit-filled people mention it, and the 3rd Level is all about it.In one word it's........
Godliness. The Mystery of godliness.
The epistle 1 Timothy is peppered with it. Sort of like writing in Blackpool Rock.
1 Timothy 6:11 pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.
1 Timothy 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness:
He who was revealed in the flesh,
Was vindicated in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Proclaimed among the nations,
Believed on in the world,
Taken up in glory. ========Probably quoting from a song they used to sing.
1 Timothy 4:7-8 discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;
v8for bodily discipline is only of little profit, but godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come
Evangelicals love preaching about this stuff. Laying it on thick to people.
The Fall left us in the delusion that we are independant beings...like God..able to know the truth and bandy about godliness directives to one another...as if we as independant beings can ,like gods...just try a little harder and press into it. The worst thing about evangelicalism is that without a clear Sword of the Spirit coming out of the Presence of God....at no point is this "independence" position confronted. And it's just laws and precepts coming tumbling out of a preacher's mouth.
The Spirit-filled can so major on spiritual experiences....and in these days the grace message, that any sense of "discipline" and "energetic pursuit of godliness" kind of looks old-fashioned.
Helen Rubio was taking some time over this in The Russian Dolls talk last year.She said this key thing:"We make dates and appointments to be with special people in our lives."
As in our work and home life, there are things we do regularly that by dint of regularity "become us". They become the rhythm of our lives. This is the other side of things to those one-off Divine special encounters. This is encounter as lifestyle.
This Peter Stott extract from this morning sparked this post off:
Legalism is what you do on the outside to look holy.
Godly training (from 1 Timothy 4:7above) is what you do on the inside to open yourself to God.
People say the answer to misuse is no use....when the answer to misuse is right use!!!
The third level is slightly more insistant than this. The third level is all about godliness and how it works.
The clue is in 1 Timothy 3:16 onwards. "revealed in the flesh". Christ must be revealed in our flesh too!!!
I am an expert on all the things that Helen Rubio and Peter Stott were recommending. Actually in truth I am not an expert...and am revisiting these things in these days....but from a 3rd level understanding.
But what I mean is this..................
In the 80s, (like Rob Rufus) I fasted weeks on end. I was desperate. I attended every meeting possible. I got up at 5am to seek God. I prayed with a few. I prayed along with all the Bible House people. I prayed in the large gatherings. I led in worship. Between us and in our stream of churches we received a deluge of songs. Many songs live on...or would if known by other streams...to this day. I led an evangelistic drama troupe. I helped in the beginning stages of a church in France.
In a word....I'm all Rubio'd up on the Rubio plan of meeting God.
But there was something I'd not seen. I'd read the books. Actually Ed Miller describes the process perfectly in Thy God Reigneth. I kind of received the breakthrough in my spirit first. But the actualization of it.The articulation of it comes from the book "Yes I am" by Norman Grubb...see the complete book in my Stages of Growth Link section
Godliness, Paul writes, is a mystery. And more and more if you see the word "mystery" and "mystic"....understand it as Spirit. As Spirit revelation. As touching those inward believing parts of you that completely bypass your conscious mind. What scientists say mostly goes on in your left hand side of the brain is the conscious language bits of your brain. Where you string coherent thoughts together.Step by step thinking.
The spirit of man. His innermost heart is found here. And though it may express in the right hand side of the brain or "right-brain"(apart from China where their picture language and musical speech has confused things somewhat) spirit is spirit....and the material is material. Which is why no surgical scalpel is ever going to turn up some spirit somewhere in the body.
What Peter and Helen Rubio are saying is no different to saints for centuries....in modern speak it's this "at some point in your Christian life you have to make the shift
from left-brain to right -brain"
or from conscious surface thought to deep within the recesses of your heart and spirit."
Later I will publish relevant extracts from the French saints - Madame Guyon and Bishop Fenelon. I haven't read him yet...but the mystic philosopher theologian Jacob Boehme of a century earlier in Germany was apparently covering similar ground. I noticed Union Life were offering his book.
So after centuries of suspicion, and public burnings by the Catholic Church, can we now do away with the word mystic?
It just simply describes the Holy Spirit's main activity in a believer's life of acting as a Removal Company. Moving us out of our main dwelling as a result of the Fall
which was a "dead, lifeless adherence to life lived according to :
Laws
Statutes
Surface Conscious thought
but all based on the stupid notion that we are gods in our own right see Romans Chapter 1
to our new primary address
Dad's Home by Crystal Sea
Heaven on Earth
Spirit as expressed in Right-brain Town
Loveshire
Kingdom
based on the new notion that we never had a separate existence...that that separateness itself was a lie of the devil....and we recognize the base of our life now is our permanent joinedness to God who re-birthed us by a Holy Spirit birth the instant we said "yes" on our insides to inviting Jesus into our heart. It's our left-brain that has to catch up.
So all activities such as
Opening our hearts
Meditating on the Word
Being still and listening to God
Maybe soaking, while listening to Spirit anointed musicians
Opening ourselves to the prophetic
Yes, breaking the outer reliance on the food cycle by simply ignoring it and fasting
All these things are just things/activities which move the rest of our bags in to our new primary address!!!
Does this mean we don't use our left-brain anymore?
No. I think you'll find that God's earthly and pre-born again representatives on Earth the Jews (soon by the way to pick up on this third level stuff - have you noticed how nothing in 1st level or 2nd level Christianity has interested them so far?) for all their adherence to the Word of God
and to the Worship of God
are the most intelligent Left and right brain people percapita on the planet? For a start anyone counted Jewish BBC and Hollywood actors and movers and shakers recently?
The left-brain, Oh Mr Richard Dawkins of the God Delusion, was never constructed to be a foundation to live from!
It was constructed as a somewhat slender limited bit of gear to
express and articulate what is in our hearts
and to be consequently a step by step computer to guide us through our actions and changes
and to aid us in explaining, teaching and directing others.
The left-brain cannot love
Cannot make love
Cannot make music - though it can make the mechanics of noise-there is a difference
cannot laugh....though it can articulate a laugh
Cannot dream up anything radically new
Cannot even learn to drive....though it may in a limited fashion learn a few of the precepts of driving....spatial stuff does not go on in the left-brain.
People who have shut-down adherence to other parts of us as foundations and made the left-brain the foundation for existence are
Jews when faced with Jesus Christ
Communist China and Russia. China to this day persecutes born again Christians,
Fascist Germany, who after Pietism, closed the door to the heart and through Nietsche and later German "higher" criticism made sure the Lutheran Church did not go anywhere near the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which was outpoured in the Black Forest area around 1906.
Bertrand Russell...whose background includes helping incitethe Boxer Rebellion in China while a young Watchman Nee was leading revivals amongst his fellow youngsters there.
A whole swathe of scientists right through the 20th Century up to and including Richard Dawkins.
Oh....and a large part of Radio 4 output
Were the left-brain neutral as we were led to believe in the Fall, Dawkins would not be so dangerous a figure. But somehow this inward choice we made in Genesis 3 was never neutral. It plugged the depths of our innards into Darkness on a permanent basis. Only accepting Jesus by faith in our hearts can begin to turn the ship around and give us another foundation for living. And only the baptism in the Spirit can forcibly begin us moving the rest of our belongings into our new primary address here on Earth. Anyone who knows me knows that being baptised in the Spirit in itself does not impress me. I wanted to know that this God stuff works on a daily basis. That's why I listen so intently to preachers to hear if I can hear God in their lives.
Any idiot can preach Jesus and being filled with the Spirit.We (Christine and I, separately and unknown to the other)were doing that at age 13.
That was not what we read in the New Testament. It was the foundation yes...
But the apostles and especially Paul were imparting something else:
a Jesus who came to DESTROY ALL the WORKS of the Evil One
they were imparting a Kingdom lived on Earth...NOW
A Kingdom where because they were founded on spiritual realities
they could be madly, deeply,passionately in love with God and with one another safely
such that when Paul left on the beach in Acts they were all hugging ,kissing, and in tears!!
THIS IS CHURCH !!
Homeless Christians
Extract from Peter Stott-Havant 29.03.09
A Christian was never meant to be homeless.
They were meant to live in the House of the Lord.
Under the shadow of His wings. In the secret place of the Most High.In the dwelling place of God. Enjoying the emotions of God. The ambience of heaven, in just as real way as we experience the changing atmospheres in our own families.
Many talk about " I go and prepare a place for you" as though it's a verse to be read out at funerals. But it's about now as much it is about the future.
He wants to come and make His home with Us. Some people try to separate out their favorite Persons of the Trinity. The truth is, you get One , you get the lot. But as the Shack so eloquently describes...they all have different roles and personalities , yet move as One.
But everything but everything is about the focal point being the Father.
A Christian was never meant to be homeless.
They were meant to live in the House of the Lord.
Under the shadow of His wings. In the secret place of the Most High.In the dwelling place of God. Enjoying the emotions of God. The ambience of heaven, in just as real way as we experience the changing atmospheres in our own families.
Many talk about " I go and prepare a place for you" as though it's a verse to be read out at funerals. But it's about now as much it is about the future.
He wants to come and make His home with Us. Some people try to separate out their favorite Persons of the Trinity. The truth is, you get One , you get the lot. But as the Shack so eloquently describes...they all have different roles and personalities , yet move as One.
But everything but everything is about the focal point being the Father.
Friday, 27 March 2009
Build up to Maelstrom Power
I won't copy the entire post...and if you want to see Dan's gaming video example it's all here anyway
Boy this rang bells so I did a reply on Dan's post today. I bet many of you who have experienced God's power working through you will identify with his post.
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Dan writes:I was playing Scott's Wii and my favourite new game; "Starwars -Force Unleased" (yes I'm a nerd!). Essentially you are a character who has the ability to do different things to defeat your enemies. And one of the more powerful abilities is called a "Maelstrom". I was using it to defeat a crowd of enemies and I felt God begin to speak to me. Here's a video I took demonstrating the two different ways. You can gather energy for a short small burst or you can take longer to build up power and then release it in a blast that scatters the room.
Here's the essence of what He said to me;"That while it was and is My will that you went to Hong Kong and indeed receive everything possible from every portal of glory - I can and will work this together for good. If you had gone to Hong Kong then you would have had the glorious experiences of letting loose everything that has been burning in your spirit for the last few months or so. But now you will find that everything that has been burning in your spirit will continue to burn and grow to a greater degree and a greater dimension than you had even realised was physically possible.
In My economy I have designed encounters with Me as high points and they are to be loved and appreciated, but to miss one is not the end of the world. For I have many others planned and in store and in mind to surprise you with. For it is My delight to see you desperate to draw close to Me. And there is no Old Covenant dictate that you must draw close to Me and only then will I draw close to you. No! Rather the New Covenant glory is that it is by My proximity, My closeness, My passion that you feel the longing to reciprocate and open your heart up to Me and encounter Me.
So continue to allow this passion and desire to grow! Let it circle you, you fear it will drive you mad for longing - but that is love! My heart burns as I see desire for Me! And then ... when the time comes there will be a loosing of that desire in a powerful rush of glory that will demonstrate to all that I am not merely a God of the intellect, a God of the cerebral. Rather a God who delights to verify His Word with signs and wonders and miracles!".
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Must be something in the airwaves about all this. First in the natural....then in the spiritual etc. I heard today that various amendments to Formula 1 mean that cars are being used with KURL...which is the controlled build-up of a power boost so that once a lap drivers can press a boost button for a release of extra power to pass an opponent....sort of similar isn't it. The stuff of Need For Speed Computer Games anyway.
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Here's my reply:
Your blog is outstanding. Which is why it's had so many hits. I was just reading the Star Wars bits with Ben and Christine.Ben said..."What!! God talks to people when they are playing computer games." "Yes Ben. God can say things when you are doing anything!!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%I think you've hit on a motherlode there by the way. That relates so much to the build up I had when I went on that amazing French trip when I was 19. It's something to do with this 3rd level concept of birthing the miracles first! This as you stated so well is NOT A WORKS THING. It is Christ in you Himself incubating the miracles within you.So when God said to me "Do not put your name down for the usual student posts in France...but write to Rue de Musset church instead..." having obeyed...I simply had to trust and believe that I'd done what He told me. And then the pressure came on when nothing happened. And I had to go with that peace within and just stay with it.....The summer holidays came. Nothing. Rather dejectedly I thought...well I could do my parents' large hedge.Interesting. It was while I did that hedge...with all hope completely lost...That the Nugues phone me...said they used to be in rue de Musset...said come over tomorrow!! And I had 2 weeks of the wackiest, powerfilled revelation filled weeks of my life...beginning with that first breakfast when Mrs Nugues got zapped by the power of God and was instantly and permanently healed from epilepsy.So what the power build up thing describes is actually incredibly awesome. It's believing that you are in the right place,obediently doing what you feel called to do...and doing it by faith...until you feel called to do something else. It is a fulfilment of that verse " A Body thou hast prepared for me".It's a mad way of living because things happen like when Lazarus died, Jesus felt to stay longer in that other place. And every human being on Earth knows that when your closest friend is dying and close to death...the first law of human compassion is that you drop everything and go to be with them.So this power build-up thing...this"body you have prepared for Me" thing...has ramifications that make you want to scream!!! This is inhuman!!But it is itself the intercession- the incubation- the cooking time - for an absolutely awesome release of power far beyond what we could ever expect.It is this sort of process that happens when we fast.But loads of charismatics fast. Fasting is scriptural. But the fast God desires is on a whole different level. He says I want to live my life through You...give me a body. " " What my body. I was just going to give you a stomach!""I've had enough of stomachs.That was for the charismatics. This is the 3rd level. In this day I'm looking for bodies. Now give me a body."" But I was rather planning to do things with my life. I'm an intellectual. I'm a musician you know.Did you know God, that I've got a song in the Songs of Fellowship songbook!" " Yes I know. And that doesn't impress Me. Now give me your body."etc etc ...you get the gist anyway.Have we any idea...back to the Star Wars game...what will be the power build up as we patiently do the simple things we are called to do as a Body? Imagine a 100 people like Rob Rufus in a room.
27 March, 2009 17:34
Boy this rang bells so I did a reply on Dan's post today. I bet many of you who have experienced God's power working through you will identify with his post.
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Dan writes:I was playing Scott's Wii and my favourite new game; "Starwars -Force Unleased" (yes I'm a nerd!). Essentially you are a character who has the ability to do different things to defeat your enemies. And one of the more powerful abilities is called a "Maelstrom". I was using it to defeat a crowd of enemies and I felt God begin to speak to me. Here's a video I took demonstrating the two different ways. You can gather energy for a short small burst or you can take longer to build up power and then release it in a blast that scatters the room.
Here's the essence of what He said to me;"That while it was and is My will that you went to Hong Kong and indeed receive everything possible from every portal of glory - I can and will work this together for good. If you had gone to Hong Kong then you would have had the glorious experiences of letting loose everything that has been burning in your spirit for the last few months or so. But now you will find that everything that has been burning in your spirit will continue to burn and grow to a greater degree and a greater dimension than you had even realised was physically possible.
In My economy I have designed encounters with Me as high points and they are to be loved and appreciated, but to miss one is not the end of the world. For I have many others planned and in store and in mind to surprise you with. For it is My delight to see you desperate to draw close to Me. And there is no Old Covenant dictate that you must draw close to Me and only then will I draw close to you. No! Rather the New Covenant glory is that it is by My proximity, My closeness, My passion that you feel the longing to reciprocate and open your heart up to Me and encounter Me.
So continue to allow this passion and desire to grow! Let it circle you, you fear it will drive you mad for longing - but that is love! My heart burns as I see desire for Me! And then ... when the time comes there will be a loosing of that desire in a powerful rush of glory that will demonstrate to all that I am not merely a God of the intellect, a God of the cerebral. Rather a God who delights to verify His Word with signs and wonders and miracles!".
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Must be something in the airwaves about all this. First in the natural....then in the spiritual etc. I heard today that various amendments to Formula 1 mean that cars are being used with KURL...which is the controlled build-up of a power boost so that once a lap drivers can press a boost button for a release of extra power to pass an opponent....sort of similar isn't it. The stuff of Need For Speed Computer Games anyway.
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Here's my reply:
Your blog is outstanding. Which is why it's had so many hits. I was just reading the Star Wars bits with Ben and Christine.Ben said..."What!! God talks to people when they are playing computer games." "Yes Ben. God can say things when you are doing anything!!" %%%%%%%%%%%%%I think you've hit on a motherlode there by the way. That relates so much to the build up I had when I went on that amazing French trip when I was 19. It's something to do with this 3rd level concept of birthing the miracles first! This as you stated so well is NOT A WORKS THING. It is Christ in you Himself incubating the miracles within you.So when God said to me "Do not put your name down for the usual student posts in France...but write to Rue de Musset church instead..." having obeyed...I simply had to trust and believe that I'd done what He told me. And then the pressure came on when nothing happened. And I had to go with that peace within and just stay with it.....The summer holidays came. Nothing. Rather dejectedly I thought...well I could do my parents' large hedge.Interesting. It was while I did that hedge...with all hope completely lost...That the Nugues phone me...said they used to be in rue de Musset...said come over tomorrow!! And I had 2 weeks of the wackiest, powerfilled revelation filled weeks of my life...beginning with that first breakfast when Mrs Nugues got zapped by the power of God and was instantly and permanently healed from epilepsy.So what the power build up thing describes is actually incredibly awesome. It's believing that you are in the right place,obediently doing what you feel called to do...and doing it by faith...until you feel called to do something else. It is a fulfilment of that verse " A Body thou hast prepared for me".It's a mad way of living because things happen like when Lazarus died, Jesus felt to stay longer in that other place. And every human being on Earth knows that when your closest friend is dying and close to death...the first law of human compassion is that you drop everything and go to be with them.So this power build-up thing...this"body you have prepared for Me" thing...has ramifications that make you want to scream!!! This is inhuman!!But it is itself the intercession- the incubation- the cooking time - for an absolutely awesome release of power far beyond what we could ever expect.It is this sort of process that happens when we fast.But loads of charismatics fast. Fasting is scriptural. But the fast God desires is on a whole different level. He says I want to live my life through You...give me a body. " " What my body. I was just going to give you a stomach!""I've had enough of stomachs.That was for the charismatics. This is the 3rd level. In this day I'm looking for bodies. Now give me a body."" But I was rather planning to do things with my life. I'm an intellectual. I'm a musician you know.Did you know God, that I've got a song in the Songs of Fellowship songbook!" " Yes I know. And that doesn't impress Me. Now give me your body."etc etc ...you get the gist anyway.Have we any idea...back to the Star Wars game...what will be the power build up as we patiently do the simple things we are called to do as a Body? Imagine a 100 people like Rob Rufus in a room.
27 March, 2009 17:34
Sunday, 22 March 2009
Ship Propulsion Unit Vision and The original Word as a suspended Orb vision
Re-issued in Facebook: Prophetic Voice - last week.
I am not sure how to respond about the recent news of Todd Bentley regarding his 2nd marriage.I do pray that he be restored...but on a very deep level. I just pray we're not into quick fixes in order to "preserve some face" with the world. What is interesting is that God allowed the release of a word in the last Key of David meeting in Havant. And last night Jose encouraged me to share it here. It came originally 9months ago while I was at an HMS Sultan open day while Florida was still ongoing - 21st June last year. Like a lot of things that came during the Florida Outpouring they began life in Dan Bowen's Life On Wings blog. see http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/This is how it appeared
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Ship's Propulsion Unit
I've just returned from a day at HMS Sultan.Great time with my son Ben who is 8.There's always plenty of stuff going on. but , uncharacteristic for me, not being too engineery, we stopped off to look at just one stripped down frigate propulsion unit. (There can be 4,6 or 8 on one vessel)A sailor took us right through how it worked. When we got to the burners I noticed they were a group of cylinder type things, about 12 or 20 or something positioned in a circle. Then at the side of all this were 2 small ignition burners on the left and on the right. Don't switch off artist types- or non engineery girlies!!!I asked how often did they have to be stripped down for maintenance? He said after around 600 hours all the cylinder burners were completely changed. OK..got all that? This is what God said. All that we have seen up until now...from John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth through the one man pioneers of the 50s through to Morris Cerullo Rheinhardt Bonnke...(maybe Todd Bentley)far from being the main show...were just ignition burners for the Kingdom. The real Kingdom ministry as pioneered by John Wimber and later Toronto and hopefully Florida is a faceless affair. Its the whole Body moving into overdrive. Men like the aforementioned were called men, ahead of the game, but now in secret,all over the world,the Body has been growing. So i felt God say that many would be used as simultaneous burners at full throttle, but then they would be put aside for another set of burners. In the navy example the burners are thrown away...but in God's Kingdom,people are not discarded after use, they experience a reassignment!! So imagine...if what we look up to now are just the ignition burners, the fire starters, what does the Kingdom look like when all the rings of 12 or 20 burners come on working simultaneously and in parallel??????Only to be replaced immediately by another set, then another set.And one ship can have 4 or 8 of these propulsion units!!!!To a world fed on church comedy like the 60s "All Gas and Gaiters" through to the 90s "Father Ted" and "Vicar of Dibley" they won't know what has hit them. "Where did they come from?"21 June, 2008 20:45
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I would now only add to this further confirmation that what I am saying is accurate. Here are some obvious examples of "rings of burners" rather than one man shows. On the day of Acts "Peter stood up with the other 11!!!"The pattern was seen immediately on the day the church was born.In 1974 some incredibly significant London meetings were held by another set of ring burners...that for a few months held it together. They were Gerald Coates, Dave Mansell,Maurice Smith,John Noble,John McLauchlin,and a handful of others...including at one point the Galloping Gourmet Graham Kerr. I was in that one age 16, and it was a fantastic move forward for the UK. Sadly this was so shortlived.In the early 70s up to the Dales Bible Weeks the UK was affected by another set of "ringburners". They grouped around Fort Lauderdale. They were Don Basham, Derek Prince, Bob Mumford, Ern Baxter and a few others. For a brief instant while under the anointing...the stuff they were bringing was in the Holy Spirit...and actually fathered the birth of nearly all our churches...indirectly or directly. This too did not last.The point of my blog (http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/ )is to say that in order to get longer burn from sets of "ringburner ministries"...more like the initial 12 apostles in duration....(though this period admittedly itself was cut short by persecution and death...not by adultery and leaders falling out!!!)leaders need to be of the same mettle as the apostles. St John calls this the "Father" stage of growth...what I am calling the 3rd Level. It is absolutely distinctive in the Holy Spirit and often comes after amazing high profile failures. See St Peter. So maybe Todd is in with a chance!The Key of David meeting did not emphasize leadership. The Holy Spirit was particularly emphasizing churches of faceless people all moving in their giftings, and that collectively something greater than the sum of all the parts is produced in terms of anointing and power.
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Suspended Orb Vision (original)- relayed in email to John Stevens Sep 07
My latest revelation goes something like this. Truth as we know is many sided, like a brilliant cut diamond. But this is what I have seen...only I cannot describe it exactly...something like this. Imagine in a science lab, some sort of orb, suspended electromagnetically in space, say surrounded by electromagnets.
Well imagine turning off the electrics, and yes, you still have the orb, now come to rest on a bench, just sitting there.Now, a lot of Christians think they have the Truth, because they have the Bible words, but in reality they have an orb on a bench.
The Truth, the real truth is a Person, the Living Jesus, expressing Himself here and now through the lovely Person of the Holy Spirit.Now, in the Old Testament, they were instructed to build the Holiest Place exactly as instructed, which included The Ark and the two golden Cherubim above it.When everything was done exactly as instructed, then God humbled Himself to come and dwell above the Ark between the cherubim.His real presence suspended (like the orb) between the cherubim, needing nothing of man for support...He is who He is, and we can like it or lump it.
So when we act on the Word, which contains the extremes of:
I am not sure how to respond about the recent news of Todd Bentley regarding his 2nd marriage.I do pray that he be restored...but on a very deep level. I just pray we're not into quick fixes in order to "preserve some face" with the world. What is interesting is that God allowed the release of a word in the last Key of David meeting in Havant. And last night Jose encouraged me to share it here. It came originally 9months ago while I was at an HMS Sultan open day while Florida was still ongoing - 21st June last year. Like a lot of things that came during the Florida Outpouring they began life in Dan Bowen's Life On Wings blog. see http://ern-baxter.blogspot.com/This is how it appeared
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Ship's Propulsion Unit
I've just returned from a day at HMS Sultan.Great time with my son Ben who is 8.There's always plenty of stuff going on. but , uncharacteristic for me, not being too engineery, we stopped off to look at just one stripped down frigate propulsion unit. (There can be 4,6 or 8 on one vessel)A sailor took us right through how it worked. When we got to the burners I noticed they were a group of cylinder type things, about 12 or 20 or something positioned in a circle. Then at the side of all this were 2 small ignition burners on the left and on the right. Don't switch off artist types- or non engineery girlies!!!I asked how often did they have to be stripped down for maintenance? He said after around 600 hours all the cylinder burners were completely changed. OK..got all that? This is what God said. All that we have seen up until now...from John G Lake, Smith Wigglesworth through the one man pioneers of the 50s through to Morris Cerullo Rheinhardt Bonnke...(maybe Todd Bentley)far from being the main show...were just ignition burners for the Kingdom. The real Kingdom ministry as pioneered by John Wimber and later Toronto and hopefully Florida is a faceless affair. Its the whole Body moving into overdrive. Men like the aforementioned were called men, ahead of the game, but now in secret,all over the world,the Body has been growing. So i felt God say that many would be used as simultaneous burners at full throttle, but then they would be put aside for another set of burners. In the navy example the burners are thrown away...but in God's Kingdom,people are not discarded after use, they experience a reassignment!! So imagine...if what we look up to now are just the ignition burners, the fire starters, what does the Kingdom look like when all the rings of 12 or 20 burners come on working simultaneously and in parallel??????Only to be replaced immediately by another set, then another set.And one ship can have 4 or 8 of these propulsion units!!!!To a world fed on church comedy like the 60s "All Gas and Gaiters" through to the 90s "Father Ted" and "Vicar of Dibley" they won't know what has hit them. "Where did they come from?"21 June, 2008 20:45
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I would now only add to this further confirmation that what I am saying is accurate. Here are some obvious examples of "rings of burners" rather than one man shows. On the day of Acts "Peter stood up with the other 11!!!"The pattern was seen immediately on the day the church was born.In 1974 some incredibly significant London meetings were held by another set of ring burners...that for a few months held it together. They were Gerald Coates, Dave Mansell,Maurice Smith,John Noble,John McLauchlin,and a handful of others...including at one point the Galloping Gourmet Graham Kerr. I was in that one age 16, and it was a fantastic move forward for the UK. Sadly this was so shortlived.In the early 70s up to the Dales Bible Weeks the UK was affected by another set of "ringburners". They grouped around Fort Lauderdale. They were Don Basham, Derek Prince, Bob Mumford, Ern Baxter and a few others. For a brief instant while under the anointing...the stuff they were bringing was in the Holy Spirit...and actually fathered the birth of nearly all our churches...indirectly or directly. This too did not last.The point of my blog (http://080808onnowto.blogspot.com/ )is to say that in order to get longer burn from sets of "ringburner ministries"...more like the initial 12 apostles in duration....(though this period admittedly itself was cut short by persecution and death...not by adultery and leaders falling out!!!)leaders need to be of the same mettle as the apostles. St John calls this the "Father" stage of growth...what I am calling the 3rd Level. It is absolutely distinctive in the Holy Spirit and often comes after amazing high profile failures. See St Peter. So maybe Todd is in with a chance!The Key of David meeting did not emphasize leadership. The Holy Spirit was particularly emphasizing churches of faceless people all moving in their giftings, and that collectively something greater than the sum of all the parts is produced in terms of anointing and power.
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Suspended Orb Vision (original)- relayed in email to John Stevens Sep 07
My latest revelation goes something like this. Truth as we know is many sided, like a brilliant cut diamond. But this is what I have seen...only I cannot describe it exactly...something like this. Imagine in a science lab, some sort of orb, suspended electromagnetically in space, say surrounded by electromagnets.
Well imagine turning off the electrics, and yes, you still have the orb, now come to rest on a bench, just sitting there.Now, a lot of Christians think they have the Truth, because they have the Bible words, but in reality they have an orb on a bench.
The Truth, the real truth is a Person, the Living Jesus, expressing Himself here and now through the lovely Person of the Holy Spirit.Now, in the Old Testament, they were instructed to build the Holiest Place exactly as instructed, which included The Ark and the two golden Cherubim above it.When everything was done exactly as instructed, then God humbled Himself to come and dwell above the Ark between the cherubim.His real presence suspended (like the orb) between the cherubim, needing nothing of man for support...He is who He is, and we can like it or lump it.
So when we act on the Word, which contains the extremes of:
- Fearing the Lord and respecting His codes of behaviour
yet all the while acting with grace towards those who act and live otherwise - Living and moving by the Word of faith on our lips yet still doing a good job of day to day stuff, towards our families and employers,
- Praying with believing for the sick yet all the time suffering and bearing with those for whom nothing at the moment is changing.
After 35 years of living with the divided notions of Christians in this country, I am starting to have sufficient clarity in my spirit to begin to take people to task, but only because, I myself am such a failure, and Jesus has been building stuff in me, to give me more stability. God is not pleased that evangelicals remain unbaptized in the Spirit, or that baptized in the Spirit people so called, are not reaching out, both practically and in the gospel message.It just is not good enough that Anglicans are not taken to task, that Methodists are so blase about being born again in this country.
So to recap...Watchman Nee said nothing less than the whole Bible makes a whole Christian.
It seems, there is none among us who can naturally hold the whole of Truth, so our secular brains need to yield to the Spirit,
who transforms us inwardly , the spirit of our mind changes, the whole of our insides stretch, to take in more of the extremes of His Word.
When I came to Emsworth, David McCulloch senior prophesied Enlarge the place of your tent;Stretch out the curtains of your dwellings, spare not;Lengthen your cordsAnd strengthen your pegs.
Each one of those pegs hurts our former way of viewing things.
Somehow , as we submit to His Spirit doctrines , God humbles himself to stretch His Presence over us, like a covering.
It is not good enough that some say, I like praise. Others say, I like prayer and intrcession. Others say I like those, but don't talk to me about giving money, and sowing seeds. Others say, I move in the anointing and the Word of faith, but I am not interested in the three stages of growth:1st level, 2nd level and third level.One brother has recently left us to devote himself to evangelism in a local very fast growing church, which is great,but I knew in my spirit that I could never talk with him at this stage about Christ living our life as us. So he will learn the hard way, as people come in the revolving door, and leave by the opposite one, because the very crunch point of how sin operates in our lives has never been addressed or communicated properly.
But as we in the Spirit raise each one of these pillars (of Truth), we create a venue, that God delights to dwell in, like between the Cherubim.It's something like a series of electromagnets
which holds His Presence like that orb, in tension between all the points.But those electromagnets are themselves God things, they are revelations of His Word.
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The 1978 Aeroplane Take-off Vision
This has been one of two or three compasses for me giving overall direction for my life. This passage features first of all during the Lakeland Outpouring on Dan Bowen's site here in the comments section May 21st 2008 11:23pm
"Never before in history, have we had the technological means to literally stand together globally in a Psalm 133 setting of unity, to await a supernatural enduement from on high , to fulfil the calling in of the Gentiles in unimaginably large numbers.In 1978 I had a very strong Word come to me as I was in a 12 seater aeroplane waiting to lift off.Up until now I have only related it with the time period between then and now. Today I also related it with Florida itself. The pilot went through 3 prophetic phases before lift off. The first 2 seemed to take an age. Phase 1. He spent ages fastening himself in, checking and re-checking all the dials, switches and levers in the cockpit.You can see it all on a 12 seater. Phase 2. The engines are revved faster and faster and faster, but still nothing actually happens. Then, when you think nothing will ever happen, phase 3 is when he effortlessly removes the brake!!! And the plane feels like it is catapulted into the air. At which point the Body of Christ will fly like it has never flown...full of the very glory of God.
This is Huuuuuuge!
I'm not sure it's hit everyone yet....
a) what this blog is about and b) how huge the implications are. Think huuuuuuuuge.
Gerald Coates and John Noble immediately saw the ramifications of what a true Spirit-filled people in the Earth would be. And they produced "Fulness " magazine. The distinction was this. "Restoration" magazine saw God restoring the church to a place where it would propel the message of the gospel out into the four corners of the Earth. "Fulness" magazine could see that God doesn't want to just save us to inhabit church meetings...He wants to fill us with the Fulness of Himself so we learn to carry on where Adam left off...living out our whole lives in a newness of life, issuing out of a relationship with God Himself. Perhaps a broader vision than just having charismatics exporting charismatic meetings everywhere.
Thing was....we only had secondlevel equipment at the time. And as fabulous as it was to prance about to Christine Noble's freedom dances....and to hire big halls and events and call them banquets......we were all just secondlevellers attending bigger meetings!!!!
But Maurice Smith's vision "The Glorious Church" is accurate. Gerald Coates and John Noble both saw that this was going to be nothing short of a new Reformation....maybe one that would put the Lutheran and Calvinist one right in the shade!!!
So this post is a kind of summary. In an unsubtle manner I am pointing with a 60 foot finger to the strands we have covered so far.
It all went wrong in the Garden...so this is where God is starting again. Most gracebloggers...in fact let's be clearer...just about all the charismatic movement...start too late. Tonight you can probably watch Creflo Dollar or Kenneth Copeland or Jesse Duplantis starting at Deuteronomy 28...declaring how God is reversing these Chapter 28 curses into the blessings at the beginning of the chapter.
Well....the gospel's better than that!!! See, you can have all those blessings and still feel as desperate as Dan Bowen does at times. I had no idea that was what was behind the cutting. Truly I feel torn apart when I read this...because you see folks...we are all in this together...we are all joined!!! And quite apart from this...although Jesus demands a total seriousness of heart regarding sin.....just as He does different aspects of sin...like fear...when He says...don't fear him who has power to hurt the body or kill...fear Him who has the Power over the 2nd Death...He who has the power to cast into hell... Or regarding wealth...it is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle....etc etc...or before removing the speck in your brother's eye, take the log out of your own....
These are all serious statements in the Spirit....but not meaning we have to take a knife to ourselves....but having got our attention He wants to tell us something worse....He has killed us. He killed us on the Cross, then bound up the resurrected remains in Himself...so if we want to find life and deliverance...we have to peer into Him in heaven to see Dan Bowen hidden with Christ in God. Then what we peer into in heaven becomes manifest out through our bodies on earth. Which is a far less bloody way of dealing with things...the only blood ofcourse being already shed 2000 years ago!!! Back to the post............
So what went wrong in Genesis 3? And what went right for us when Christ died and was raised to the right hand of God the Father.
- It's this simple..........PERIOD.
ADAM reached out an arm and grabbed a fruit.As he did so a false spirit entered his spirit chamber.Permanently. At the Cross, this false spirit was ejected from our spirit chamber.Permanently. Now we reach out an arm, leg,.....anything....believing it is Christ as me...in my form. PERIOD.This is expanded on here - Some Doors and Gates slammed shut. This has caused seismic problems for us. This and the reversal of this curse is discussed in Peter Stott's blockbuster message on Psalm 24 (Split into 4 parts)
- Last year and this year has been for our Havant church a completely fresh understanding of God as Father. Peter Stott has talked on intimacy with God for ages...but somehow it has been and still is God's timing for opening this as a well of understanding and revelation in the church.
Both the Havant May2008 Who is the King of Glory Conference - particularly Clive Jackson of Shaftsbury....and then Mark Stibbe's messages in RiverCamp2008 opened this whole area.
In Chapter 7 of Orphans and Heirs Mark Stibbe
writes about the cycle of grace.Original source Frank Lake"Clinical Theology".
The Cross restores this cycle to the right order.Acceptance - Feeding on it -til it becomes a fixed thing in us-then out of that we achieve.Beforehand, we were operating in reverse. It was a cycle of Law. Feeling hollow and useless we try to achieve,to work - to get a feeling of worth - then out of that to try and gain acceptance.Churches are full of this stuff. It is not my intention to say any more about this, because his book can be purchased here .But it is very important material. Just to say there is a very interesting paragraph on Jonathan Edwards.
One of the questionable aspects in the charismatic renewal has been the tendency to trust in external sensations rather than inward communion as the basis of assurance. There has been an unspoken
tendency to thirst after bodily reactions to God's power more than the inner testimony of the Spirit. This has created a culture in which shaking, falling, laughing, weeping, jerking and groaning have become the only signs that God truly loves and accepts us. Those who experience these things feel affirmed by God's touch. Those who don't experience them feel rejected and left out.
Jonathan Edwards wrote a great deal about the dangers of this particular tendency back in the First Great Awakening in eighteenth- century America. By the time he wrote his classic work, Religious
Affections, he had become very cautious about the more sensational phenomena associated with revival. For Edwards, the true sign of "grace in a believer's life was not constant visions (much of which he attributed to the imagination), nor the 'bodily exercises' (such as shaking and falling),
but those operations on the heart that are spiritual, supernatural and divine. In other words, Edwards looked on the heart of a person rather than on his outward appearances. His chief concern was whether or not a person knew in his heart something that could never have been discovered naturally and could only have been communicated through the work of the Holy Spirit. Did a person know the royal seal of the Prince of Princes? Did he know that the seal of the High King of heaven had been stamped upon his heart? This was what Edwards meant by the 'divine' operation of the Spirit, for nothing could be more divine than the revelation that we are God's children. This, then, is what Edwards called the witness of the Spirit-the revelation that we are the adopted children of God with attendantevidence of that fact in our lives. For Edwards, the crucial passage of scripture in this whole area is Romans 8:16, where Paul says that the Spirit witnesses to our spirits that we are the children of God. Edwards showed that the Spirit referred to is the Spirit of adoption that dwells in
us, leads and guides us, and disposes us to behave towards God as children towards a father. This is the Spirit of love that creates 'the disposition and temper of children, appearing in sweet childlike love to God, which casts out fear or a spirit of a slave'.Once the believer knows this internal work of the Spirit, he will never need 'multiplied signs' because he feels plainly the intuitive and immediate union with Abba, Father. This kind of operation could never be created by the flesh or inspired by the devil. While both an unholy and the human spirit can suggest scriptures and give false visions, neither can lead to genuine intimacy with Abba, Father. Jonathan Edwards"Religious Affections - Rob Rufus has been preaching on this fourth strand of what went on in the Garden.http://www.citychurchinternational.net/mp3_2/2009_02_15.zip We received a lying spirit about the nature of the goodness and greatness of God. This was because we swallowed Genesis 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and (D)you will be like God, knowing good and evil." i.e He was holding out on us. Instead we would be like God. And in our independant godlike status we could judge things...weigh facts. And this is why our faithlife...our miracle life is like scaling a cliff face. because any faith that we are trying to muster is coming out of 2 false foundations. 1 - that we can be independant...this is Satan terrain...and 2. That God is a liar and He is not really that good. These 2 false roots need ripping out from the insides of our beings before we can ever get anywhere. This is why what Rob Rufus and Bill Johnson are preaching is so vital to the church at the moment. It is grace!. But it is WARFARE! Because God wants His Church back...to operate through...to reach the world.
So to sum up. The third level is not the same as the charismatic movement. It is deeper. It goes back further in time. It deals with the roots. In posts to come I want to deal with our left-brain living. Our manner of life that is darkened see Romans1/ Ephesians 2. The opposite in other words of living as the Bible instructs in Proverbs 3:5-6.
Rob James said last week while we prayed as men, that Time magazine had announced among the top 10 discernible trends of the immediate future would see a Rise in Calvinism, especially in the USA. This is what Iggy is up against. This Calvinism/Armenian debate is to this day stripping churches in places like Liss here in England.
Instead of getting into this I am going to now spell out the real truth! The real truth is that the English and the Americans, after centuries of wrangling are still locked into their left-brains. That is what this argument is showing. It is almost as if the recent waves of God from the Great Awakening onwards...have not happened. Churches are still filled with darkness.Jesus said"If the light within you is darkness....how great is the darkness!!!"
You may as well wrangle over the Trinity in the way Muslims do when confronted by Christian doctrines. The truth is that all these truths, and many many more to come fall instantly into place in the third level. So faced by wrangling males...and it usually is....ripping God's own church to shreds by their disobedience and darkness of thought, and shrivelled faithlife....I would say
SHUTUP! SIT DOWN! HAVE PATIENCE! LET GOD LOVE YOU. AND ALL WILL BECOME CLEAR ...once the idolatry of your own minds has been torn down...ready for God Himself to speak to You.
The other thing that will sort us out is something I've only just seen in the last few days. Those in the "Prophetic Voice" group in Facebook know that Jose asked me to put down the Ship Propulsion unit vision fom HMS Sultan Summer fete last year. The Lord only released this vision locally in the last Key of David meeting in Havant. But the original appeared in Dan's vaults on 21st June last year. (Keep an eye on our blogs...you will see stuff first here!) But what I have only just understood is that the ring burner ministry vision is to be married with the "orb" vision I had. I will put them down afresh for you in the next post. In other words , through relating giftings and ministries , as we saw in the past through Fort Lauderdale and the London group of ministries....something like a circular forcefield of God's Presence was created. A safeguard. A fulness of ministry. A balance of Word. Not an intellectual balance. We are talking in the Spirit. And the Power and anointing upon these circles of ministries will be unlike anything we have seen to date. Why different than before?Because, as Ian McCulloch shared with me once about the London brothers' gatherings, as anointed as they were on a platform together...they were still pretty left-brain locked when it came to arguing doctrines amongst themselves in leader's meetings. Having met some since...I can believe it!!! Brethren....I have faith for this to stop. Why? Because He has been doing something to stop this in leader's gatherings in Havant...so He can do it elsewhere too! Even in the USA!! Imagine that!! Anyway...back to the subject of the post....
This thing is huuuuge. If everything that went wrong....if everything that we see surrounding us...came out of a marriage of creative mankind marrying up with a Satan spirit....what on Earth will be the outcome of a creative mankind learning to live fulltime in the Son....Jesus. There is nothing the River of God won't touch. There is nothing left out of the verse "The knowledge of the glory of God will cover the Earth as the waters cover the sea!!!!"
I think it's bigger Rheinhardt Bonnke, than even filling stadiums with nigh on a million people! I think it's bigger Morris Cerullo, than collecting hundreds and thousands together and praying an Elijah anointing on them! I think it's bigger Rob Rufus, than building a big grace church in Hong Kong! I think it's bigger than collecting orphans into the biggest orphanages and most successful orphanages that this world has seen! I think it's bigger Bill Johnson than recreating what John G Lake had years ago....an anointing for healing and miracles!I think it's a bit bigger Iggy than creating perfect Emerging churches...or sitting at home and learning the Father's love on your own like Amy is Walking In the Spirit. I think it's bigger than building ever bigger networks of charismatic churches with only 2 out of 3 revelations: The Abraham and Isaac revelation...but no Jacob revelation.Listen to me Terry Virgo! Mark Driscoll!
It's bigger than just becoming good at improving education. We're talking about teaching and imparting all of Romans...not just the first 3 or 5 chapters. The result being that we lead people into turning their environment around....Romans 8 "the sons setting creation free." St Paul knew how to do this. The third level is the biggest single thing to hit the Earth since Genesis. What bigger than the Cross? No it cannot beat the cross in any other way than this.....Jesus came to raise a multitude who would live,sleep walk,pray...in the same anointing and the same quality of life that He had. He was the firstborn of many brethren. That's why it's huuuuuuge! He is pouring out revelation in these days to show us the tricks of how we do it....just like He did it!!! The charismatic thing was the practice run. It was Isaac and Jacob faithing things in. The third level is what happened after Jacob met God at Peniel! Then the history of corporate Israel really began!!!! This is when the corporate Christ will really hit the planet! The rest has just been boxing the air in a gym!!!
Maurice Smith - 1977 Prophecy-The Glorious Church
Friends
Have you noticed the way I have led you so far?First of all I have lifted your eyes and given you a vision. A vision that encompassed the whole church. A vision that speaks in ultimate terms and shows you the finished product from heaven's perspective. Your heart was touched by the thought of a great church 'without spot or wrinkle'. As Ispoke to you in those early days it all seemed so attainable,so within reach. The detail was not apparent to you, only the fact that I had spoken, and you saw clearly that now was the hour for the church to become one people. Now was the hour for barriers to go down, for people to come together,regardless of their upbringing and background.
John 17 -•that they might be one' - seemed to be re-echoing fromevery corner of the world and without any collaboration between the voices. You were convinced God was at work.This was his move and he would accomplish it. (So far so good, but now pause and think).
Have you noticed that the outworking is not as easy as it seemed when you received your revelation? Had I wanted to wave an arm in heaven and accomplish my purposes, I would have done so. But I have set my heart upon a personal relationship with everyone who forms a part of this glorious church. 'My ways are not your ways' still remains true, and whereas men would organise a one-church-movement, and set the wheels in motion to co-ordinate this group with that, I have spoken again into the hearts of men that I am growing the church. As ever I am starting small and consolidatingevery move I make. Every now and then there is an upsurge and an outbreak on a larger scale, which is an encouragement to everyone, but the master-builders know that at such times extravagant things are said and believed, and the idea spreads that we are farther on than we really are.
According to eternal principles I then prune that which has borne fruit that it may bring forth more fruit, andthe master-builders are not token by surprise when thishappens. They know that every step of the way I insist that the personal relationship of God and man is developed, and that this explains many apparent set-backs. I do not want people carried along on the crest of a wave, but people with some realisation of the cost, who nevertheless still desire above all else to be a part of this glorious church which gripped their imagination long ago. Indeed many only get their first glimpse of this holy and unified church in the midst of this upsurge stage of my purposes. (Pause again and think about what I am saying).
Now, because of all I have allowed to work upon your lives,you have a deepening relationship with me. Now you really begin to relate to one another. Not as a people who have in mind some grand successful church movement, but as a peopie captivated by my love and grace toward you; as a people thankful to be included at all in what I have set my heart upon. Now you are prepared to go at my pace, you do not despise the time it takes to form a relationship.You begin to understand that I really was unhurried as I made my friendship with sinners, that I was fully prepared for the disappointments and the rewards of friendship, and so it shall be with you more and more. As the barriers between one and one go down, as friendships are formed,and commitments made, you became more vulnerable to being hurt, and yet also on the verge of great discoveries. The riches that I have placed within every single one of you,becomes the available treasure of each other, and the poverty that has marked my people for so long shall be swallowed up in an abundance of supply.There I go again, re-envisioning you and lifting your eyes to the inevitable goal; but take it steady, be prepared for set-backs, be realistic - all in the true knowledgethat,although in one sense it has to be done stone upon stone, it is later than you think, and that finally everything shall be done suddenly.
For there shall be a great unveiling, a pulling aside of the curtain in a moment of time, a trumpet blast and the body of God forged through many trials and heartaches, joined together by many sinews and main arteries across the world, shall arise and dismay shall strike the hearts of many as they see that which they have scorned so long become the evident dwelling place of God.
In an hour when all is falling down, this church shall stand up like an army with abundant life and flexible structure. The bones shall have real flesh on them, andall the world shall see and marvel at this glorious church without spot or wrinkle, that first captivated the hearts of many of you so long ago.
Prophecy through Maurice Smith 7 January 1977 at the Friends MeetingHouse, London
Originally buried in Dan's vaults here....if it sounded familiar! Wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in his comments section. It's too important!!!
Have you noticed the way I have led you so far?First of all I have lifted your eyes and given you a vision. A vision that encompassed the whole church. A vision that speaks in ultimate terms and shows you the finished product from heaven's perspective. Your heart was touched by the thought of a great church 'without spot or wrinkle'. As Ispoke to you in those early days it all seemed so attainable,so within reach. The detail was not apparent to you, only the fact that I had spoken, and you saw clearly that now was the hour for the church to become one people. Now was the hour for barriers to go down, for people to come together,regardless of their upbringing and background.
John 17 -•that they might be one' - seemed to be re-echoing fromevery corner of the world and without any collaboration between the voices. You were convinced God was at work.This was his move and he would accomplish it. (So far so good, but now pause and think).
Have you noticed that the outworking is not as easy as it seemed when you received your revelation? Had I wanted to wave an arm in heaven and accomplish my purposes, I would have done so. But I have set my heart upon a personal relationship with everyone who forms a part of this glorious church. 'My ways are not your ways' still remains true, and whereas men would organise a one-church-movement, and set the wheels in motion to co-ordinate this group with that, I have spoken again into the hearts of men that I am growing the church. As ever I am starting small and consolidatingevery move I make. Every now and then there is an upsurge and an outbreak on a larger scale, which is an encouragement to everyone, but the master-builders know that at such times extravagant things are said and believed, and the idea spreads that we are farther on than we really are.
According to eternal principles I then prune that which has borne fruit that it may bring forth more fruit, andthe master-builders are not token by surprise when thishappens. They know that every step of the way I insist that the personal relationship of God and man is developed, and that this explains many apparent set-backs. I do not want people carried along on the crest of a wave, but people with some realisation of the cost, who nevertheless still desire above all else to be a part of this glorious church which gripped their imagination long ago. Indeed many only get their first glimpse of this holy and unified church in the midst of this upsurge stage of my purposes. (Pause again and think about what I am saying).
Now, because of all I have allowed to work upon your lives,you have a deepening relationship with me. Now you really begin to relate to one another. Not as a people who have in mind some grand successful church movement, but as a peopie captivated by my love and grace toward you; as a people thankful to be included at all in what I have set my heart upon. Now you are prepared to go at my pace, you do not despise the time it takes to form a relationship.You begin to understand that I really was unhurried as I made my friendship with sinners, that I was fully prepared for the disappointments and the rewards of friendship, and so it shall be with you more and more. As the barriers between one and one go down, as friendships are formed,and commitments made, you became more vulnerable to being hurt, and yet also on the verge of great discoveries. The riches that I have placed within every single one of you,becomes the available treasure of each other, and the poverty that has marked my people for so long shall be swallowed up in an abundance of supply.There I go again, re-envisioning you and lifting your eyes to the inevitable goal; but take it steady, be prepared for set-backs, be realistic - all in the true knowledgethat,although in one sense it has to be done stone upon stone, it is later than you think, and that finally everything shall be done suddenly.
For there shall be a great unveiling, a pulling aside of the curtain in a moment of time, a trumpet blast and the body of God forged through many trials and heartaches, joined together by many sinews and main arteries across the world, shall arise and dismay shall strike the hearts of many as they see that which they have scorned so long become the evident dwelling place of God.
In an hour when all is falling down, this church shall stand up like an army with abundant life and flexible structure. The bones shall have real flesh on them, andall the world shall see and marvel at this glorious church without spot or wrinkle, that first captivated the hearts of many of you so long ago.
Prophecy through Maurice Smith 7 January 1977 at the Friends MeetingHouse, London
Originally buried in Dan's vaults here....if it sounded familiar! Wanted to make sure it wasn't lost in his comments section. It's too important!!!
Wednesday, 18 March 2009
Blogs are in real time!
Books you can construct over quite a time period. You can finesse them. You can get people you rate to check them over. And anyway...you've got to collect the money together...or be shackled to a publishing house...in order for them to see the light of day.
Blogs is us! In real time!
Jamie's silence. Sheila barricaded in with some Word!
Dan off working at his job.
Me restoring a piano in Kegworth. Half of us disappeared off to Hong Kong!
But I wonder if people are beginning to get it??!!!
Ephesians 1:9He (Y)made known to us the mystery of His will, (Z)according to His kind intention which He (AA)purposed in Him
10with a view to an administration suitable to (AB)the fullness of the times, that is, (AC)the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.
With each advance of the the church....there is a change of administration.
A hundred years ago saw incredible Keswick Convention Bible Conventions.
Then 30-40 years ago there was another fresh wave of the Holy Spirit and we began....began mind you....to get a vision of the Body of Christ...and a fresh conference style and wineskin began.
Then Christian media took off. People still argue over the 80's presentation of prosperity...abundance....our sowing....one man ministries on the receiving end...
But take heart! This was one step out of slavery. There are clearer, more concise steps to come...and a lot of the 80s prototype will become clearer. But in a Kingdom context.
Others say"What.....you're saying Kenneth Copeland.....Morris Cerullo...weren't Kingdom!"
No,I'm not saying that! I'm saying they were pioneers. And just as a seed doesn't look that pretty compared with a fullgrown flower....I'm saying the Kingdom is Ezekiel 37 with clothes on !!! It's beautiful and attractive. And it's the corporate full grown. Not one man putting his neck on the line and announcing it. Christian TV has been talking heads. Florida was one better. Miracles and Kingdom worship in real time over the airwaves into every home.
If first and second level wineskins had a certain glory about them....you can bet that as we press into the 3rd level a greater, more glorious thing is emerging.
And part of it is things we've never had before.......
like Rory and Wendy - God TV....if they can stay the course and adapt to the new things!
The internet - Facebook- Blogs. And goodness what will follow. This is all the stuff of an international Body of Christ knowing no boundaries of race, colour,denomination,non-denomination....
and more than this....it's lived in real time.
The first and secondlevels were not experienced in real time. They were meetings.Evangelical meetings. Then Spirit-filled meetings.
The 3rd level is about you learning Christ as you
In real time
Alongside a gazillion others all round the world
simultaneously. It's a faith walk. It's a grace walk. It's an exploration of Christianity with the guilt and manipulative techniques stripped out. Where the only thing that makes it work is you experiencing Jesus for yourself. Because if you don't...then nothing happens.
And to actually allow that.
Instead of faking things....just to fill the gaps. Which is what happens in 1st and 2nd level churches. Helping God along! Why is that ultimately destructive?
Because if you allow Isaac to actually be born.....he is more than enough to fulfil God's plan. And nothing else will do.
Blogs is us! In real time!
Jamie's silence. Sheila barricaded in with some Word!
Dan off working at his job.
Me restoring a piano in Kegworth. Half of us disappeared off to Hong Kong!
But I wonder if people are beginning to get it??!!!
Ephesians 1:9He (Y)made known to us the mystery of His will, (Z)according to His kind intention which He (AA)purposed in Him
10with a view to an administration suitable to (AB)the fullness of the times, that is, (AC)the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.
With each advance of the the church....there is a change of administration.
A hundred years ago saw incredible Keswick Convention Bible Conventions.
Then 30-40 years ago there was another fresh wave of the Holy Spirit and we began....began mind you....to get a vision of the Body of Christ...and a fresh conference style and wineskin began.
Then Christian media took off. People still argue over the 80's presentation of prosperity...abundance....our sowing....one man ministries on the receiving end...
But take heart! This was one step out of slavery. There are clearer, more concise steps to come...and a lot of the 80s prototype will become clearer. But in a Kingdom context.
Others say"What.....you're saying Kenneth Copeland.....Morris Cerullo...weren't Kingdom!"
No,I'm not saying that! I'm saying they were pioneers. And just as a seed doesn't look that pretty compared with a fullgrown flower....I'm saying the Kingdom is Ezekiel 37 with clothes on !!! It's beautiful and attractive. And it's the corporate full grown. Not one man putting his neck on the line and announcing it. Christian TV has been talking heads. Florida was one better. Miracles and Kingdom worship in real time over the airwaves into every home.
If first and second level wineskins had a certain glory about them....you can bet that as we press into the 3rd level a greater, more glorious thing is emerging.
And part of it is things we've never had before.......
like Rory and Wendy - God TV....if they can stay the course and adapt to the new things!
The internet - Facebook- Blogs. And goodness what will follow. This is all the stuff of an international Body of Christ knowing no boundaries of race, colour,denomination,non-denomination....
and more than this....it's lived in real time.
The first and secondlevels were not experienced in real time. They were meetings.Evangelical meetings. Then Spirit-filled meetings.
The 3rd level is about you learning Christ as you
In real time
Alongside a gazillion others all round the world
simultaneously. It's a faith walk. It's a grace walk. It's an exploration of Christianity with the guilt and manipulative techniques stripped out. Where the only thing that makes it work is you experiencing Jesus for yourself. Because if you don't...then nothing happens.
And to actually allow that.
Instead of faking things....just to fill the gaps. Which is what happens in 1st and 2nd level churches. Helping God along! Why is that ultimately destructive?
Because if you allow Isaac to actually be born.....he is more than enough to fulfil God's plan. And nothing else will do.
Tuesday, 17 March 2009
Praying for all of you - but this is the first report
I found the following quite encouraging following our weekend of just about non-stop prayer at Havant Church.....(shared out between us)....So I wrote to Julie about it:
Hey Julie,I have been praying for all the people that I link to and (for those who have )commented on my site...during our church's Prayer 24/7 weekend.... well 5 days actually.
When I came to (Praying for)you I was led to pray about hotel accommodation in Hong Kong. I thought ..how weird is that...cos I was thinking every hotel in Hong Kong would be pretty swish anyway...seemed like a waste of prayer!!!
Wow wow wow!!!truly we are all in one Body!!!!
This is what she has written in today's 1st Hong Kong post:
I am seriously behind on keeping the blog up to date on relevant news. I have a few rather big announcements actually, and one is that I'll be attending the Glory and Grace conference '09 in Hong Kong! I'm actually already here and the conference starts tomorrow, I'll be meeting Lydia at the airport tonight and we'll be staying together in our somewhat flashy hostel, which God graciously allowed our room to be upgraded (believe me, this is a big blessing, I should have taken a picture of the room I stayed in the first night!).
Hey Julie,I have been praying for all the people that I link to and (for those who have )commented on my site...during our church's Prayer 24/7 weekend.... well 5 days actually.
When I came to (Praying for)you I was led to pray about hotel accommodation in Hong Kong. I thought ..how weird is that...cos I was thinking every hotel in Hong Kong would be pretty swish anyway...seemed like a waste of prayer!!!
Wow wow wow!!!truly we are all in one Body!!!!
This is what she has written in today's 1st Hong Kong post:
I am seriously behind on keeping the blog up to date on relevant news. I have a few rather big announcements actually, and one is that I'll be attending the Glory and Grace conference '09 in Hong Kong! I'm actually already here and the conference starts tomorrow, I'll be meeting Lydia at the airport tonight and we'll be staying together in our somewhat flashy hostel, which God graciously allowed our room to be upgraded (believe me, this is a big blessing, I should have taken a picture of the room I stayed in the first night!).
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